As far I know, it's a senior position but the pay isn't up there. And yes, there are hundreds of VP in JPM. Since they deal with clients, the vice president designation gives them a sense of reliance on the person involved in the dealing.

The ranking is like:

Graduate Analyst - Fresher

Analyst - 6-12 months

Senior Analyst - 1-3years

Associate - 2-5 years

Senior Associate -3-8 years

VP usually: 8-10 years

And the pay does not exceed 60 LPA in most cases and ranges from 20-60 LPA.

You should ideally get in but there is no saying since if you get in the 700s bracket then considering the past year cut-offs it might not be possible.

Then again the domicile cut-offs have a higher probability of fluctuating and the number of candidates that re-appear from a T-2 NLU also contributes to an inflated cut-offs since many a times they do not find the opportunity cost of leaving their current NLU for GNLU/NLIU not really worth it.

I hope you get in though :)

MHCET is another option that law aspirants can eye for. Apart from MHCET, LSAT (for JGLS), SLAT (for Symbi, Pune) and, if budget permits, BITSLAW are decent options to consider.

The paper was easy, no doubts about it. And people who were able to tame their nerves were able to perform better + the easy nature of the paper gave people with low prep but good reading skills a solid edge, which proves good for a T-1 fresher as opposed to a T-3 dropper imo. Nonetheless, the CLAT consortium is widely infamous for their ridiculous actions, some of them being the revision of the schedule and the constant changes in the pattern.

I completely second what @NonsenicalLawyer said.

I've friends who interned during their 6 month-long break and yes it did make a difference in their understanding of law but I don't think that it is worth it. I didn't do a thing related to law in my break and I'm quite happy with it, those 6 months were the best days of my life. I binged, I traveled and I spent time with my friends, all in all, I lived my 6 months and I would never regret it :)

Enjoy while you can, law school drains the life out of you.

In this particular case, the comment in question was removed due to strong grounds to believe it may have been trollish and not based on factual information. We aim to maintain a respectful and constructive environment for all members, and such comments can potentially derail discussions and undermine the credibility of the platform :)

I've been a constant advocate of this feature (https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/244312-the-legally-convos-30-beta-version-is-here#comment-252723) but there are a lot of back-end modifications in process currently. I'll surely bring the issue forward though :)

Really sorry for the inconvenience caused, we tend to avoid moderating comments that have the potential to be trollish or unsuitable for the platform and leave it up to the main mod to judge it. However, we're slowly and steadily realising the fine line and it won't be long before we get experienced enough to take the call :)

As far as I know, they are moderated twice now. First by the newly appointed mods and then again by the legally India mod to filter out our mistakes (if any).

And yeah I can assure you that we moderate, there are surprisingly high frequency of comments that are not suitable for publishing. Hope it helps :)

I'm definitely interested. Having been an active member of the Legally India community for the past two years, I believe I can effectively contribute to moderating the threads in line with their intended purpose. Browsing through Legally India has become a daily ritual for me, and as a result, I've perused threads of various kinds, ranging from discussions about salaries, work-life balance, exam preparations, college grievances, career growth hurdles, to even unconventional topics like the armpit fetish threads (yes, I've seen it all XD).

Given that I've previously highlighted instances of moderator bias towards specific viewpoints, I am committed to maintaining objectivity and quelling any personal biases when carrying out my moderating responsibilities. My engagement with every thread remains consistent, whether in the role of a moderator or a member of the audience :)

This individual sounds like a serial molester. If this is actually true, I'm pretty sure there will be others out there who have faced something similar or even worse.

The OP can atleast make an anonymous Twitter ID and post the sensitive information under #MeToo, and then the link can be shared to this thread too. I don't think it'll really affect LI's policy adversely. Is that doable @LegallyIndia_Mod?

I mean, there has to be further inspection on this, right?

On a similar note,

What happened to the proposed idea that was envisaged when rolling out the 3.0 beta version?

That seemed like a fairly decent idea to make moderation easier and faster for you guys.

Context: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/244312-the-legally-convos-30-beta-version-is-here#comment-244312

"👑 The most active and helpful members of the community will get their standard accounts upgraded, first to where their comments can bypass future moderation and go live immediately, and then to where they can feature comments (or declare comments as trollish or contested), and eventually to where they can also moderate comments directly if they feel like it. We are open to ideas for how this can work to make LI a pleasant and helpful space for all."

I mean, yeah. It's 'cringy' to have these kinds of intros, but your tone is more baffling to me.

What do you think you're dude? Get off the high horse and try socialising with your batchmates ffs.

"Why did you tell us law school will (would) be intellectually stimulating and interesting when these intros are totally radiating a different vibe.(?) That other day(,) while watching an interview(,) I found this person from NLS stating that she doesn’t even read books(,) and apparently TV shows are more ‘helpful’(.)" (I guess your book doesn't teach how to apply punctuation marks)

What is wrong with that? You retain wayyy more from visuals than you ever will by reading something, and that's the case for most people. No offence but you seem boring af, I can feel the negative energy 'radiating' through your comment.

This '28 batch is a bit much, yes! But it's always better to be cringy than toxic :)

I get where you're coming from, but that's discrimination. An institute of such stature must ensure not to implement such dividing measures.

After qualifying for the entry, everyone should ideally be given the same amount of respect, regardless of their petty CLAT ranks.

Hightime We Disregard NIRF Rankings? (IT IS USELESS)

The 2023 rankings are as follows:

1. National Law School of India University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

2. National Law University - New Delhi, Delhi

3. Nalsar University of Law - Hyderabad, Telangana

4. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences - Kolkata, West Bengal

5. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi - New Delhi, Delhi

6. Symbiosis Law School - Pune, Maharashtra

7. Gujarat National Law University - Gandhinagar, Gujarat

8. Siksha O Anusandhan - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

9. Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur - Kharagpur, West Bengal

10. Babasheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

11. Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences - Chennai, Tamil Nadu

12. Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

13. Christ University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

14. Aligarh Muslim University - Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh

15. Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy - Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu

16. Lovely Professional University - Phagwara, Punjab

17. Indian Law Institute - New Delhi, Delhi

18. National Law Institute University - Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh

19. Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University - New Delhi, Delhi

20. The Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law - Patiala, Punjab

21. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

22. Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh

23. Amity University Haryana - Gurugram, Haryana

24. National University of Study & Research in Law - Ranchi, Jharkhand

25. Alliance University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

26. Army Institute of Law, Sector-68 - Mohali, Punjab

27. Nirma University - Ahmedabad, Gujarat

28. National Law University and Judicial Academy - Kamrup, Assam

29. Manipal University Jaipur - Jaipur, Rajasthan

30. National Law University - Cuttack, Odisha

I can wrap my head around the frivolous contentions one might have with the ranking like NLUD>NALSAR/ Symbiosis>GNLU/ RGNUL>RMLNLU but this is RIDICULOUS. On further inspection, I came to realise that it's not as rigged as one might think.

The parameters:

1. Teaching, Learning & Resources (TLR):

- Student Strength including Doctoral Students (SS): Represents the total number of students enrolled in the institution, including doctoral students. It is calculated based on factors such as undergraduate (UG) and postgraduate (PG) student numbers.

- Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR): This ratio indicates the number of students per faculty member in the institution, with a focus on permanent faculty members.

- Combined metric for Faculty with Ph.D. (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE): This represents the combined score for faculty members who possess a Ph.D. degree or its equivalent and have relevant experience.

- Financial Resources and their Utilisation (FRU): Reflects the financial resources available to the institution and how effectively they are utilized.

2. Research and Professional Practice (RP):

- Combined metric for Publications (PU): Measures the number of research publications from the institution.

- Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP): Evaluates the quality of the research publications, considering factors such as citations and impact.

- Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice (FPPP): Indicates the involvement of the institution in projects and professional practice.

3. Graduation Outcomes (GO):

- Combined metric for Placement and Higher Studies (GPH): Reflects the percentage of students placed in jobs or pursuing higher studies after graduation.

- Metric for University Examinations (GUE): Evaluates the performance of students in university examinations.

- Median Salary (GMS): Represents the median salary earned by graduates from the institution.

- Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated (GPHD): Measures the number of Ph.D. students successfully completing their degrees.

4. Outreach and Inclusivity (OI):

- Percentage of Students from Other States/Countries (Region Diversity RD): Represents the percentage of students enrolled from other states within the country or other countries.

- Percentage of Women (Women Diversity WD): Indicates the percentage of female students enrolled in the institution.

- Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS): Evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students.

- Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS): Reflects the availability of facilities and support for students with physical disabilities.

5. Perception (PR):

- Peer Perception: Employers & Academic Peers (PR): Represents the perception of the institution among employers and academic peers.

At first glance, you might not be able to discern the premeditated fallacies behind these rankings.

The truth lies in the calculations of these parameters, for example, SS would take into account the number of students enrolled under the Ph.D. course which would inherently put institutes that don't enroll higher Ph.D. candidates at a disadvantage as per the devised formula.

If we take a look at the weightage of FSR & FQE, we would find that it rewards more for the quantity of the faculty members rather than the quality of them. You can take FSR (30 marks) simply as a student-faculty ratio, while the FQE only takes into account those faculties that are Ph.D. + accounts for the experience they have. Some universities scored full on FSR but struggled to fetch even 10 marks in FQE.

ESCS which evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students is calculated on the basis of the percentage of UG students being provided FULL tuition fee reimbursement by the institution to pursue their degree programs. I mean- there are programmes in many NLUs/private unis where they award percentage scholarships for meritorious students coming from SC/ST category but this doesn't take it into account until and unless it is fully covered, I don't get why.

Coming to the PR (Peer Perception) scores, they are by far the most rigged aspect of the ranking. NUJS scored a humble 50.8, while Christ University and Indian law institute astonishingly scored 61.15 and 74.17 respectively. Apart from the Top 3, none of the universities managed to get close to Rizzed perception of these two institutes.

To sum it up, this is a pretty useless ranking with no real-world application, going by the metrics alone I wouldn't be surprised if an unknown university manages to beat NLS if it really wants to. And the most significant things that a student realistically looks upon are placements and scope for higher education which doesn't seem to be a priority here since it constitutes just 16.25% of all the parameters.

Note: All the statistics are verified from the official website itself and if someone wants to look into the formulas then he/she shall go to: https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2022/framework/Law.pdf

A good article I read on this issue last year by GS Bajpai: Rankings that make no sense - The Hindu

Since when did we stop using figures of speech?

The idea posed by the OP was that MNLU-N is on a downward trajectory and he/she also reasoned his/her assertions. I think everyone got what he/she meant and it wasn't necessarily untrue.

There have been many administrative issues resulting in a situation where an NLU sank. Take NLIU for instance which is the 2nd NLU to be established after NLS, when the director resigned after a week of student protests, and the registrar was suspended for selling fake degrees in the same term. If that episode did not happen, one could argue that it would've not been where it is currently placed.

You may also take the example of HNLU, whose perception sank after the perennial hard-handedness of the administration came to light in 2018.

So, an NLU isn't as sink-proof as his highness might think.

PS: use the tags judiciously.