Oh, cut the crap. If the "old top 3" weren't so insecure about a new NLU about to displace them, there wouldn't even be a need for all these debates.They troll NLUD first and then get butt-hurt when someone from NLUD responds. And we couldn't care less whether some troll on LI thinks we're top 3 or not, but facts are facts. Even the most ardent Noojie fan would admit that in the present era, very few folks would drop NLUD for NUJS. And the competition with NALSAR is more or less on level ground too now. So, yeah, I would say we're as good, if not better.

Chose Capital Markets because of the low entry barrier; without having any prior experience in it and trust me it is the worst shit possible. There is no room for escape since you cannot go in-house/shift to M&A. Avoid Capmarks unless you really are certain about it being your endgame guys!

There was absolutely no need of this new NLU in Allahabad. This is height of stupidity to set up new NLUs one by one where every new law school is more mediocre and pathetic than the previous one.

Govt must understand that legal industry is too small and there are not enough jobs.

I fear LI may censor this post to protect powerful people, but here goes....

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/bar-and-bias-whether-its-college-or-courtroom-law-still-a-boys-club/articleshow/101787396.cms?from=mdr

👆 Op-ed in today's TOI. The author, Sameena Dalwai, is a professor at Jindal. She is also the daughter of Hussain Dalwai, a two-time Congress Rajya Sabha MP and former Congress Minister in Maharashtra. So I guess this means she has high-level contacts who have verified the claims? Or maybe she heard it from colleagues or interns themselves? These are her exact words:

"I am teaching in a premier law school. Times have changed; academia is full of female faculty and female students rule the college scene. Yet sexism lives on. A legal luminary came to deliver a speech. From the podium, he pointed to our female students and said, “So nice to watch so many young girls, in short skirts...haha.” The man, then nearly 90 years old, was a legend in law and in lechery. While he harassed generations of young female lawyers, other lawyers — men and women — watched mutely."

Now, there are some clear hints she gives regarding the identity of the person:

- He delivered a lecture at Jindal during her tenure at Jindal

- He was nearly 90 at the time of the lecture

- She says he WAS "a legend in law and lechery". It means he is no more. So it's someone who passed away in the approximate age range of 87-100 in the past 10 years or so.

- She says "legal luminary" and "legend", so this points towards a very select list of top Supreme Court lawyers or judges or professors (hence, I am using "jurist" in the title).

- She quotes a remark he made at the lecture, about girls in short skirts. This, in many ways, is the biggest giveaway. Now, an alum from Jindal should be able to identify the person based on his remark.

But the broader question here is why people keep getting away in the legal profession even as #MeToo has led to resignations and sackings in other professors. Whether it's this "legendary" jurist, or a former judge who was accused by an NLU intern and got an injunction blocking news coverage (later offered post-retirement posts and a professorship at Jindal itself) or Lawrence Liang (happily rehabilitated by the elite liberal ecosystem and roped in by Sudhir as a consultant for a project).

NOTE: I appreciate the rule about innocent until proven guilty, but in the former judge's case it was reported in the media that he reached a settlement with the student that both would refrain from legal action against each other. If he is innocent, then why did he reach a settlement? Also, in Liang's case, a departmental enquiry found him liable and also said that he had harassed interns at ALF.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/city/bengaluru/nlsiu-alumni-angry-over-action-on-duo/amp_articleshow/92424573.cms

For people who are saying that the NLS alumni have not spoken a word on this issue.

This is an old case and the girl couldn't prove anything beyond allegations and Twitter posts that defamed the concerned person.

The reason why NLS alums did not speak much on the issue is because she could not prove anything and I don't think it's wise to comment on allegations alone without hearing from the other side!

Get a life dude!

Stop feeling jealous from the ones who are way ahead of you.

If you wouldn't have played these cheap tricks of criticizing someone who has already reached the pedestal, you would have got placed too(maybe in some boutique law firm), and if you are still an undergraduate, this behaviour would lead to no good end results at all.

So keep hustling instead of criticizing out of jealousy:)

With new academic reforms and the 2023-24 SJA, NUJS seems to be on the path of declining rapidly. This year the college has the fewest PPO offers for the incoming fifth year batch. The SJA is run by egomanicial sycophants who are interested in partnering with vindictive faculty to impose stringent attendance norms & what they call academic rigour. It is more of simply allowing faculty to bully students by forcing electives on them. The campus infrastructure is crumbling. There’s no exchange programs or well run research centre’s. the SJA and admin are interested in imposing ultra strict attendance norms which take away from Nujs‘a usp which is enough free time to be who you want to be and succeed at it

I see a plethora of people from CAM at Magic Circle firms. Does that mean they got there in spite of CAM? Also, if what you say is true then this information is alarming for me, I will probably not go ahead with the offer if what you say is true. Ofc I will verify this info with several others first.

There are loads of examples, I just don't want to name them here on a public forum. And I know at least 2 people who are not from tier 1/2 Nlus, or even Jindal/Symbi Pune but still made it to magic circle firm. One is from GLC and another is from UPES. The point which most of you fail to see is that these firms are not going to any campus to recruit, and if you possess the merit, no one can stop you from getting a TC irrespective of your college.

I have a relatively decent CV, decent internships, publications etc.

But, I have a very concentrated practice area (Competition law, disputes, a little general corporate work)

most of my internships have been in competition law. I understand the work and I do it well. What do I do?

I have some connections in gen corp teams. Should I just join a banking/M&A/ Gen Corp team through a connection, and then move to a competition practice laterally or within the firm?

Hi, I am a student of NLU Nagpur got recently enrolled there. I have also independently applied to bsc llb course at NUJS. Can the students of NUJS please help me out whether this is a good course or not? What are my recruitment prospects? Will I be treated in same way as the students of ba llb at nujs????????

As someone (presumably from your response) farther off in my career - what difference do you think 2-3 years makes in a decade(s) long career? A corporate lawyer (SA level) could aim to get into one of the same international firms after 4-5 PQE. Regardless, the kind of training and exposure you receive at your junior level at such international firms is unparalleled to what you get in India, definitely worth the 2-3 year 'waste' of time. You also can't discount the difference being in a particular market from the very beginning makes, in comparison to making a lateral shift later on. Not to say a lateral shift isn't a good route, I've seen people around me do it and be extremely successful/comfortable.

Also, at lot of the people who were hired directly from my college (during my years) through the India schemes were often given a little more exposure to the India desk/work at HSF/A&O/Links - not as formal policy, but this does exist. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but a non-India scheme hire would very possibly mean avoiding this, unless you want it.

Just saying that a TC is a wonderful opportunity you would be insane to let go of, regardless of it being 1 year (in case of India scheme hires) or 2-3 years after one graduates.

hi, I am not really into corporate so i thought to prepare for some govt exams, I am from a trad college, i wanted to know if judiciary is really worth it if i want avg money, work life balance and not so hectic schedule, and a little freedom to pursue other things as well or should i prefer some other exams like banking etc? I am above avg in studies , genuine suggestions pls, i know many people have been in this dilemma once in their lives, so pls share some wisdom. i am doubtful abt judiciary

Without a contact,Trilegal won't look at the CV anymore.Even if HR does,it won't help.You see Trilegal has hired a host of new partners,many from CAM who have adopted the same shitty practices of CAM into Trilegal. So merit goes out and nepotism cones right in.Trilegal is so over,not that there was much meritocracy in there anyway.

I am sorry but LI is going to straightway hell. I am honestly stunned with how wrong advice is being meted out to someone (who weirdly enough is already inclined towards nalsar) and is only persuaded to fill Nalsar as the first preference m - just because it has no trimester??? And who said the packages are the same? They both have not released reports for the past 1 year. But the perception of NLS remains rock solid - however nalsar is not that embellished.

Also to Op - the grade freezing system is incredibly fantastic. You will almost feel like a graduate and don’t have to grind for 5 years.

It’s a choice. And no you will have certain subjects till 5th year which you have to pass. They will be credits you choose to give exam upon. So don’t worry about it. After 3rd year your personal grades will matter more. The grade freezing option is tremdously helpful for droppers (before clat) and people who want to pursue other fields to have a good amount of time for internships. The system is designed that way. After all your 3 year grades will be counted but the 5th grades won’t hurt as well.

Someone ahoukd ask Cyril Shroff whether academic excellent didn't matter while hiring his daughter Parifhi Shrof who sent a firm wide mail to get her homework done?Why single out rich JGLS kids and retract their offers for "academic excellence" when he doesn't keep that standard while hiring his daughters.

From LIs archives -

https://www.legallyindia.com/analysis/amarchand-mangaldas-past-present-future-20100727-1142

For instance, On Wednesday, April 24, 2008, at 6:02 p.m., the Mumbai lawyers of Amarchand, the country’s supreme corporate legal minds who routinely dispense advice to clients worth billions of dollars, received an unusual email in their inbox. Paridhi Shroff, at the time the 18-year-old daughter of managing partners Cyril Shroff and his wife Vandana, had put out a firm-wide alert, a desperate plea for help from the lawyers who worked for her father. Paridhi was looking for someone to do her homework.

Be real...CAM brand now doesn't mean a shit to anyone's...they have dug their own grace by making that reply to Hidenburg public and made their firm appear like a joke.....their Reply in the Adani Hidenburg report equating allegations on Adani group as attack on India really lends credence to the popular saying that patriotism is the last refuge of the sound really.Thats sad because some competence in that reply instead of hiding behind patriotism grounds would have definitely helped the Adani group.Instead of helping the Adanis the CAM reply made the entire matter worse and whatever reputation CAM had built over the years came crashing down....

PE / M&A actually has a lot more tax to it then fund formation work, which is literally all of 5/6 sections of the income-tax act. It's just that there are always tax advisors in deals and so the lawyers wash their hands away from even the most basic tax structuring work.

The other downside of fund formation work is the lack of exit oppurtunities. PE / M&A has much better exit opppurtunities outside of law firm - in fact, I'm not sure how fund formation lawyers get an exit from law firms other than the very very few in-house oppurtunities where those skills are required.

The decision to freeze your GPA is taken collectively by your Batch. Unfortunately, if you are looking for placements/internships through the RCC, u will have to abide by whatever decision your batch takes (freeze/ not freeze).

In short, if you are looking for placements/internships, law firms will look at your grades till the 3rd year while if you want to pursue higher education etc then your grades till the 5th year will matter.

this was bound to happen some time or other

NUJS has been the undisputed no. 3 for last 15 years, however, in the last 5 years or so after the first few batches of NLUD has found their feet, the NLUD students feel that their time has come to take on the mantle in the top 3

NLS seems to be on a pedestal which no one wants to touch, however, if you check under the hood there are plenty of problem, but it being 'the law school' people would laugh off if NLUD wants to directly dethrone NLS

NALSAR is a weird case, it is in the middle of nowhere, has decent placements, has mediocre teachers, after FM left it has little addition to scholarship, yet somehow the legacy seems to insulate it from any challengers

NUJS on the other hand, after 8 disastrous years under Ishwara Bhatt, has seen a slide in faculty quality, research output and research income. The only saving grace has been its excellent placement (which is still objectively the best in the NLU circuit). So, obviously the best target to dethrone for a rising claimant will be the weakest amongst the three, which is NUJS. However, NLUD in its haste to dethrone NUJS has made the cardinal sin of using fake data to show better recruitment, but the problem was it was so good that it even went ahead of NLS in that parameter. Then of course people came out and showed that it was mathematically impossible for NLUD to have the placement that they claimed and the things became as the OP puts 'controversial'.

So we have a rising NLUD and a legacy incumbent in the form of NUJS, using the rising power theory (which says that a conflict between a rising and incumbent geopolitical power is inevitable - eg. Japan and US pre WWII) we can predict that these troll fights between these two NLUs will continue until there is a clear domination by one. That will not happen objectively until NLUD joins clat, which they will not in the near future, so the conflict with continue. NLUD will continue to submit fake data to NIRF and other nlus will keep calling them out, NLUD trolls will deny and deflect, they will say that many people came from NUJS/NALSAR which shows superiority of NLUD, other nlus will demand proof, but this can neither be proven nor disproven withour clear comparison of the list, which is not available, someone will argue that AILET is a money grabbing exam with no clear purpose, NLUD will defend it and say it gives chance to students who has a bad CLAT day. The argument will not end until NLUD joins CLAT and we have a clear student choice being made (for example in the last 15 years IITB has dethroned IIT-Kanpur as the top IIT by student choice, but NIRF prefers IITM, you can have your pick).

Hi dear folks , can anyone help me to choose among the above three options? While I have gotten ILS Pune and GNLu Nri sponsored , I am waiting for nlu Jodhpur’s nri sponsored vacancy notification eagerly (which can come next week) because the nri fees is something affordable. I am also gonna sit for clat next year , so help me out

Is Yogi Adityanath going to neglect RMLNLU now? That was set up by Mulayam Singh Yadav’s government and is even named after his mentor Ram Manohar Lohia, the father of rural, socialist Mandal caste politics. The ideological antithesis of the BJP.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/others/national-law-university-in-prayagraj-clears-the-way-for-top-posts-including-vice-chancellor-and-registrar-101689078314755-amp.html

NLS alum winning the Jefferson medal

Nujs producing Chaitanya Awasthi as an amazing UPSC topper

Nalsar winning the 18th ICC mediation moot

All these are not in the news and tbh even the layer community in LI sidelined them. Are we are as a jealous bunch becoming more immature?

I mean friendly not just among themselves, but also towards people from other law schools during internships, fests moots etc. No politics, bitchiness, arrogant behaviour, booing opposing teams etc. Rather being kind, helpful and showing sportsman spirit. Just all-round good people. Both guys and girls.

Which law school people are like this and who is the friendliest of all? My shortlist would be NLUD, NLIU and RGNUL.

Actually, there is an interesting point here. NLIU Bhopal, another supposed tier-1 NLU has also declared their median salary in NIRF 2023 as 18 lacs. Keep in mind that NLIU hardly even gets any foreign vac schemes/TCs unlike NLUD and their domestic placements percentages are around the same. Same happened with NALSAR in 2018, I believe. Now, obviously, this won't get much attention among NLUD haters because NLIU has been performing very poorly in rankings for a while now, but I don't think this is fudging of data for a higher rank. There must be discrepancies on the calculation of the median salary for most of these NLUs. Unless NIRF addresses this, the trolls will keep spamming.

I think TTA is going to be a big deal in the next 2-3 years for law grads, even competing with KCO, Trilegal, SCAM etc. They even promise better WLB and is a firm which values merit. See this interview.

https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/expansion-plans-entry-of-foreign-lawyers-and-more-in-conversation-with-tta-partners-gautam-saha-and-kunal-thakore

Yeah I have the confidence that I will get into one of the two not only bcs I have obc but also for the fact that I work smart. Otherwise I would have filled NLS above NALSAR if I wasn't smart but since I am so here you are commenting on my post and feeling insecure for yourself.

Since you have OBC reservation, my advice is to look at things long term and focus on cracking one of the UPSC services, which is really the best job in the country. You will stand at a huge advantage because of the OBC quota. However, attending a top NLU will be taxing and limit your prep time. So you could consider either an NLU where the academic atmosphere is less rigorous or a TLC where you can bunk class and do UPSC prep for 5 years sitting at home. In fact, places like BHU, AMU and Jamia have good strike rates at the UPSC. My friend attended one of these TLC colleges and never went to class. He used the time for UPSC prep and cracked the exam.

Have some shame while saying your parents are screwing you over just because they don't seem to be able to afford your masters. If you are so desperate to do your masters maybe earn the money yourself instead of being a grade A asshole expecting your parents to spend every penny they own on you