they can always do a LLM or BCL in the meantime

gives them even better street cred later on

During 2008 financial crisis when some of the firms held back offers, they offered to pay the fees for LLM course, I am sure with the firms being flush with money now something like this can be negotiated

"Their reports can be at best termed ‘controversial’ , quite controversial but not fake." - thank you for making me smile early in the day.

The NLUD submission to NIRF has been discredited in so many different ways that the aim should be find out whether there was criminal culpability or plain incompetence or motivated negligence.

My money is on incompetence.

Sorry, I didn’t bring it in. It’s some other trolls who are claiming that there’s some big idea of NLS/NALSAR being better than the rest debate even though the OP has an issue about CLAT preferences where NLUD isn’t even a part. But I just don’t think NALSAR is much better than NLUD. “Industry perception” is a vague term that’s thrown around by the older NLU folks, not something I buy into. Perception depends on age/history and will change over time.

You want to argue, then put proper facts on the table to justify a claim of overwhelming superiority.

Agree.

Legends - NLU VCs who completed full term(s)

Menon (NLS & NUJS)

R Venkata Rao (NLS)

Ranbir Singh (Nalsar & NLUD)

MP Singh (NUJS)

Faizan Mustafa (Nalsar)

Poonam Saxena (NLU Jodhpur)

They must be appreciated.

Opportunists: Those who left their VC term without doing anything good and jumped to another NLU

SKD Rao - NLU Odisha to NLU Delhi to NALSAR (2 switch in one term)

GS Bajpai - RGNUL Patiala to NLU Delhi

Keshava Rao - Left NUSRL midway to DSNLU (close to home)

Nagraj - Left DNLU Jabalpur to Trichy (promotion?)

You can find many others. Most of them mediocre and poor if compare with great NLU VCs like Menon, Ranbir Singh or MP Singh.

I may sound offensive to a lot of people here , but screw u too , I'm not here to curry favours anyway.Here it goes -

My parents are literally trying to screw me over with their idiotic decisions that are making live worse for everyone.They are not able to fund my education further after my llb because they already have a house EMI to repay , which we never wanted to live in anyway.They are insisting that I take a loan to continue my education.

I am doing a job but I feel a master's would help me immensely in my professional career ahead , but I'm stuck in an impasse here since my parents won't give me a penny now. Again, we al know how difficult it is to get a job after law anyway .

I am also Ok with taking a loan, but the only thighs that are bugging me are

1. There are no guarantee of placement after llm and I am on my own to get a job thereafter, so it's completely baseless to burden anyone with a loan .

2. The amount is not that much also < 6 lakhs for an year , so idk how to deal with the situation.

Not only this , they wouldn't help me even if I go for a cheaper masters, as they are apparently broke , but the house we just bought costed more than probably a 1bhk in lower Parel .Also to mention we had another ancestral home in the same city,which we haven't sold out yet,but we still shifted to this flat for the sake of amenities.

Please help, or am I doomed to suffer?

That's how CAM is. You'll soon realise that they won't even honour team preferences during rotations. They make promises of competition, TMT, disputes etc but you'll end up rotating in the most toxic teams with high attrition like project finance, m&a etc because they're the only ones who have vacancies and ATPs are easy targets to exploit for 6 months.

TBH this is scary. This lady looks like a normal person and not a computer avatar. Soon they will create more such anchors and make them more beautiful, to attract male viewers. Regular news anchors will lose work. But what about lawyers? Can our jobs be replaced too? Some of the work lawyers do is quite monotonous and clerical.

https://www.news18.com/tech/odisha-based-private-channel-launches-ai-created-news-anchor-named-lisa-8293369.html

How many friends do you have bro ? Got a gf ? How many treks you've been to ? How often you go on trips ? How often you go out cycling to beach on the evening ? Life isn't meant to be enjoyed ? Gulaam ki tarah kaam nhi karenge, Jo karna hai karlo. Paiso se time nhi khareed lega tu phirse

Look grade freezing is always better for anything. That’s why NLS remains ahead of any other nlus because in 4th and 5th year we get Dyam good placement offers , PPOs and amazing internship opportunities. You can say you almost graduated after 3rd year xD. Because in 4th and 5 mtg year you just have to study reasonably hard and you can chill. But till 3rd year it’s grinding.

Mail them till this Sunday. If not then call. Classes are beginning mid-august in almost all nlus . Some have started. So keep on trying till august. At least even if you join 7-9 days late or even 10 days it’s fine. September tak kuch toh aa jayega if you have NRIs or a good general rank

Bhai what controversial reports? We have stated exactly what should have been stated. Just because the university doesn’t release self-audited inflated reports like a ‘particular’ nlu below us - we are not good enough? Remember IIT Roorkee has also not provided reports for several years - yet they have done so well with packages crossing 1 crore.

Never trust a Nag even if a Nagraj 😀😀

Such opportunistic moves must be condemned.

People like him or SKD Rao or Bajpai who just jump from one NLU to other for their own selfish motives set bad precedents.

Wish someone blacklist such people who don't complete their term

Hi! Any idea about CAM Mumbai's work culture in general and disputes specifically? Also, how is the International Arb. work and how are the key persons responsible for handling it. Is this a good firm if one is thinking of dual qualification and are the people supportive and inclusion of such aspirations?

Please reply if you have any knowledge on the subject. Thank You!

It's okay when I reach out to people who are strangers or with whom I have worked professionally. But reaching out to my seniors and friends for referrals feels so bad - primarily because I feel like I am trying to gain something out of them. It's like I am ruining the bond we have.

Is it okay?

This is a really rude thing to say. People like you believe that institutional merit trumps over any/all individual merit. There are so many factors that eventually make a person choose any institution. Leaving that aside, the mentality that you can only judge a hire by their college is just plain idiotic. Singling out any institution in your condescending tone is especially noxious. You should be really ashamed of yourself. Hope you really introspect your insecurity. God bless.

This is only an anon battle in LI carried on by a few jobless trolls. Nobody in the real world has got any time for this. People outside treat each others as peers and potential future colleagues, this is not a Bollywood story like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander or Student of the Year.

Hello, I am looking to switch with nearly 10 months of experience in General Corporate. I am looking for an opportunity in Gen Corp, TMT. I also wouldn't mind working in Employment and Competition law areas. Please suggest some firms where I possible get an opportunity. Also, I'm not from an NLU.

Only an idiotic moron will think that Constitution and history have no connection

And if there are doubts over Bharat being a civilisation, how do you explain the constitution adopting the phrase India that is Bharat

Clearly the makers of the constitution appreciated the civilisational continuity of this land

Today's Nehruvians harp that India was not a Nation before British came. They maybe should read what Nehru said in 1961 while addressing the AICC

Guy has studied law in IIT Kharagpur and you are saying he has no academic credentials?🤣🤣

Sudhir would be the NLS Bangalore VC, yeah? Does he hold some post in the Consortium of NLUs that makes him personally responsible for a refusal to refund fees?

They haven't responded so far about the UGC guidelines. Should I hire a lawyer to draft and send the legal notice on my behalf?

Hi everyone I am currently working as a A1 at a decent T2/3 firms Corporate team. Due to some personal family issues ( health of family members) it has become important for me to get a job that allows me the flexibility with working from home or somewhat hybrid mode would also be fine. At this point I don't mind if it's a law firm or in house or startups that allow that , as getting a gap in my work experience is also something that I want avoid. Any responses would be appreciated . Need geniune help !

I always wanted to work in firms, money being the reason (I don’t come from a financially sound family), but couldn’t manage to get a job at any law firm. Just got done with my law school and starting at a chambers with 18k salary. I wish to move to a firm in near future? Do law firms hire people who come from chambers with 6 months experience?

Yes I said that. How can you say someone's curriculum that too a law school like Nalsar's is worse than the other? It has all the curriculum one requires to learn law and get placed. This is purely subjective. On Faculty also people think only someone like say a Siddharth Chauhan will qualify as a stellar faculty, but I have seen traditional teacher like say Dr Sourabh Bharti from Nalsar top fucking notch.

Hello Guys

I have been applying for trilegal internship for last 2 months through their website and I have asked for all kind of slots from oct-feb but what I have recieved is only rejection response.

I have a strong CV and good internships too. Can anyone help me in this regard?

Cyril bhai spoke of academic excellence? There is a very famous saying that comes to mind, “kabhi toh apne giribaan mein jhaank lo Cyril bhai”.

Someone (perhaps the CAM HR Rep reading this thread) should ask him what academic excellence did his partners like Rishabh Shroff sir, Paridhi Shroff ma’am and Abhinav Kumar sir, exhibit during their respective pursuits of law degrees.

And the only reason this came to mind was due to a possible rumour being propagated by his own employees (albeit drunk) from the projects and banking practice regarding Rishabh Shroff sirs (failed) stint in NY.

Best if Cyril bhai can actually clarify the actual facts to his own employees from the projects and banking practice so that they propagate the truth in place of defamatory lies.

PS: apart from the personalities named above, various other partners lack the kind of academic excellence that he expects first-gen law grads with limited resources to exhibit.

Its nothing to do with being less ambitious or coming from a tier-3 nlu.

May be he just values 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep, time off on weekends for spending with family, humane working hours during the week, and having meals on time. after a point it doesnt really make a difference in your life whether you make 2crs a year or 5crs a year when you have given no time to your family, burried your head into work and at the age of 40 have had uncountable diseases because of your erratic lifestyle.

Law is a marathon not a sprint.

This is true. Check the official data released by NLUO's RCC at https://www.linkedin.com/posts/recruitment-coordination-committee-nluo_nluo-placement-review-2018-23-activity-7084429059161567232-6Z1H?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=member_android

Publications are seen as an essential facet of a good CV. However, the advancements in AI have been immense, and the blowing up of ChatGPT has only increased the number of investments in the domain, giving it a boost and accelerating the process. AI will be way superior in researching and encapsulating nuanced perspectives with a practical expression which, at this point, arguably imo it marginally lacks. I believe the point where AI is way superior to an average person in writing papers is as near as 2-3 years. Will research papers in such age lose the importance they currently hold?

you must be on a high if you think NUJS is offering a mediocre course

next year the gen all india CLAT cut off for bsc at nujs will be less than 500

however, its just plain wrong that nujs did the bsc llb counselling outside the clat framework, someone should file a pil on this

Buddy, if they haven't given you the date yet better you start applying to other firms.You never know but seeing how CAM is,they could very well turn around and retract the offers.They are known to play foul and ruin the careers of freshers.If you will insist on enforcing your offer they will hire you and fire you after 3 months.So start looking out

Ah! It seems you graduated recently from any lower nlu , may be and didn't get place anywhere and that's why you have so much time to waste in writing these paragraphs.

Your words manifest your frustration.

Stop cursing non Nlu students.

The ones who grabbed the ppo despite coming from not so good college, they must be appreciated for their hardwork and not criticized.

They must not be even reading your messages because they don't have this much time unlike you 😂

They did it whatever they want to and achieved something in life but it's a bitter truth that ones who succeed in life are pulled down by few idiots.

Dude, focus on yourself!

That would be helpful:)

JSA pays a bit higher but Samvad actually pays around 10-11 lpa to freshers irrespective of the offices , the associates are working with.

An Associate needs to assist seniors across all offices when hired, that's the scene with Samvad and that's why it pays almost same at all offices/locations.

Fake news. First, not all the visiting faculty are included and there’s only few that are paid on a contractual basis who are on the payrolls of the Uni (2 old nalsar graduates in fact). And second, NLS also does this too and NIRF allows it. Stop being so desperately salty about NIRF.

I’m from NLUD and this is just the most ridiculous thread that’s almost an invitation to troll. The rivalry debate has been going on for far longer way before NIRF. And back then, comments were published in less than a day. And it’s not a big deal in real life for anyone except some one-upmanship trolls.

I’m pretty sure students at both places know that the two have their individual merits and demerits. And I think there’s mutual appreciation between both places for their institutional achievements. I don’t see this need to keep comparing and claiming we’re better than NUJS/NALSAR. I know multiple people who choose NLUD over NUJS/NALSAR and many others who opt for NUJS, etc over NLUD. All said and done, they’re both two of the few very good places for law in India and anyone who’s been to either can testify. Moderator should ideally do a better job is preventing more of such ridiculous threads/comments. The toxicity of this site can be reduced if the Mod is serious about creating a more congenial environment for actually useful discussions.

I can't thank you enough for giving me such detail description about the academic aspect of NLS which was the most important for me. I have a doubt that the whether Law Firms look at the freezed gpa of 3rd year or they look at the gpa till the 5th year and also wanted to ask that is it in the hands of a student to freeze their own gpa or if they tell the student body that they will pursue LLM/MBA then the student body doesn't freeze the gpa till 3rd year and if they want to take placements then their gpa be freezed.

Since Trilegal is one of the only tier 1 firms where new partners are also added to the equity pool, how much does an Partner at Trilegal make?

Approximate figures are fine. Additionally answers to the followed would be great:

a)For how long is partnership worth it?

b) Does the pay for partnership increase as per experience?

c) is the pay for an partner team specific/deal specific or neutral in the above aspects?

Having legitimate responses would shed light on one of the core aspirations that law students have )

Please read my whole post properly. We now have to fill the NLU Preference list alongside the registration form of CLAT 2024. The preference list now needs to be filled before sitting in the CLAT 2024 examination and secondly the 1st NLU you put in the preference list will be your top most priority and if you are allotted that NLU you can't downgrade, you can only upgrade. So, it becomes very important that regardless what rank I get in CLAT 2024. Filling the preference with utmost research becomes very important because if I get a rank matching the Top 2 collage requirements then I won't have the option to choose between the 2 because I also have obc.

Yeah, I have made my choice. I am choosing NALSAR over NLSIU simply for the fact that I will have a much better study life balance at NALSAR with the same academic/placements outcome(more scope for getting placed at Foreign Law firms in NALSAR) . Second, the campus is so gorgeous and spacious of NALSAR that I instantly fell in love with it when I saw it for the 1st time and the fact that it is away from the main city will only add up to better environment, less pollution and more peace. Third, I will be saving 4 lakhs minimum in 5 yrs if I go to NALSAR and even more. It is actually becomes an overall best deal for me. Thanks for your reply. It really gave me a different perspective to look at my issue.

NLU Nagpur in the Chat.

To clear firstly about the funds.

NLU Nagpur is the only NLU in Maharashtra which is making it's name in the state's annual budget since last 3 years for each year's basic administrative & functioning Aid.[Verify it by going through the Maharashtra Annual budget Pdf for the past three financial years]

Coming to placements

Yes the On Campus placement scene is not as good as what others well established campuses have but we are definately improving on that front too .

Could confirm a MNC visiting for on campus placement drive for batch of 23 . But yes the on campus placement is not that attractive.

But the environment here is well enough that if you're determined you could easily crack and secure PPOs at Trilegal[2 PPO for batch of 23],Khaitan,Argus & Fox Mandal.[ Kindly do some efforts in 'LinkedIn hunting' for gathering credible information rather than throwing comments in the sky]

No new NLU from the time and around the time when NLU Nagpur was built has ever published placement data for their first batch but placement stats for our first batch of 21 is available publicly that to on NIRF.

Coming to the amount of fees which the University is charging, Please come to our University as then only you would realise how that every penny which is being charged is being utilised to keep the standard of the Infra in the Campus High in comparison to other dilapidated NLUs Infra.

Adding to the high fees component criticism ,The University is the foremost collaborative with other state government for ensuring that scholarship scheme of different states govt is easily availed at NLU Nagpur.

Students from MP,UP,RJ & MH are the one who mostly enjoy these benifits.

The university is expansion mode ever since it's inception it started with the humble intake of 60 students and today it welcomes around 250+ students every year.