i got campus placement last year, and in my opinion, the reading you will do on any given issue will be irrelevant because you cannot predict what they will ask. You will anyway be given 10 mins and possibly a pen and paper to write down your thoughts on the topic before beginning.

WHAT is more important is that in a GD, people are literally pouncing on each other to speak. Remember, everybody wants a job, they're all your competitors and they have no incentive or willingness to let you speak as everyone is looking to get their own words in. So what you do need to work on is HOW to spot and overtake the final statements of one person's speech and then make your own points without interrupting or being loud. The smooth transition-by-overtaking is by far the most important thing in a GD like this. I am speaking from personal experience because I failed to recognize and capitalise on moments where I (or any other GD participant) needed to take over from the speaker, and thus regardless of my knowledge I was unable to convey my points, and I did not make it to the next round.

I learnt from my mistakes and was far more proactive in the next GD the following day, where I made it to the interview round.

The mic is literally 2 pounds of meat between 15 hungry lions. Keep this in mind, always. Nobody will give you a chance, you have to take it.

This this is an interesting ranking, because they have ranked region-wise and public/private-wise.

They obviously did so to avoid controversy, but then they have given the score achieved by each college, so it's easy to deduce the national ranking.

I am giving the the unified national top 10 below, by inference from the scores. Then the top 5 of each fragmented ranking below that. The national top 10 seems to correspond with student perception and public perception, with the exception of a high score for BHU. So perhaps this is the most realistic ranking so far, which have been full of WTF results?

NATIONAL TOP 10 (by inference from the scores)

1. NLSIU: 995

2. NALSAR: 992

3. NLUD 987

4. NUJS: 979

5. GNLU 964

6. NLUJ 957

7. NLIU 950

8. BHU 945

9. RMLNLU 923

10. MNLU 917

NORTH ZONE (GOVERNMENT): NLUD>NLUJ>BHU>RMLNLU>RGNUL

EAST ZONE (GOVERNMENT): NUJS>HNLU>NLUO>NLU Ranchi>CNLU

WEST ZONE (GOVERNMENT): GNLU>NLIU>MNLU>GLC>Baroda University

SOUTH ZONE (GOVERNMENT): NLSIU>NALSAR>NUALS>Osmania University>Bangalore University

NORTH ZONE (PRIVATE): Lloyd>Army>Galgotia>Amity>UPES

WEST ZONE (PRIVATE): Symbi>ILS>BV Pune>NMIMS>Nirma

EAST ZONE (PRIVATE): KIIT>South Calcutta>ICFAI Tripura>ICFAI Sikkim>Bengal Law College, Santiniketan

https://openthemagazine.com/cover-story/best-colleges-2023-state-wise-rankings/

https://openthemagazine.com/cover-stories/zonewise-government-and-private-rankings/

For those who are trying to deride L&L, those within know the wheels are still moving well. Mrs Luthra, a non-lawyer, but one of the most decent and gentle souls is coming into office everyday and slowly pushing the firm in a better direction. Most important is the infusion of new blood and the devolution of equity ro make the firm more democratic. Cue for an important announcement in the first week of August. You heard it here first.

As a prospective jobless graduate whose college won’t give 2 craps about changing their ways, we bow down to the JGLS supremacy. We had 3 T1 firms hiring in peanuts last year and this year looks even worse. JGLS has taken over the SLS market. SLS placement cell- please grow the hell up. Look at our numbers, we can’t rely on random in-house placements forever!

the bill share scam that JSA is running is doing great PR for them online! No SA is making 16 lakhs unless they are the only person in the team other than the equity partner. How it works is that SA does the billing, retained partners move the hours into their sheets and make the big bucks while everyone else barely scrapes by because monthly retainers are hardly anything.

Why is this comment marked trollish? Is the moderator denying that reservation has spawned corruption, in the form of issuing fake caste certificates and starting a parallel “donation admission” business in private medical and engineering colleges for general category candidates squeezed out of government medical and engineering colleges?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/25/us/politics/harvard-admissions-civil-rights-inquiry.html

I support this move by Biden. Universities should have neither affirmative action nor legacy admission. Every thing should be on the basis of pure merit. In an Indian context, we should abolish both caste quotas and so-called NRI quotas at NLUs.

Lol, this reminds me of ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ career coach thing. She seems extremely genuine and credible to me although I haven't availed any of her services. The one person I know who has taken up her mentorship told me that he already knew whatever she had to say. I guess that's some insight on these career coaches.

I've always been advised to talk to seniors at your internships after building a rapport. Advice from people working in the industry goes a long way than someone who hasn't been in the working legal industry since 2018.

Lmao I can corroborate some facts here. We USED to think that he loved robots but actually he does care. The dropper part is true. I don’t know about the Rhodes thing.

Topper? Yeah maybe - but you have to realise that you also should be curios to be trained under him. The rebel silent kind is partially true

I loved the sacracstic take here btw

Freedom of practicing religion is there, so don't worry, wear the hijab , u don't have to ask anyone nor have to enquire about it, u know the law then no one can deny this. If practicing religion is only a matter of home then why various institutions celebrate Holi, Diwali, Christmas, why schools start their day with prayers ,why there are ceremonies like lightening candles, listening to Bhajan, Aarti is there. The thing is we have started asking people so they are uttering whatever shit they have, so simply don't ask , u like ur religion na then do follow , no one can stop you. No one has the authority to put their religion above the other religion, all religions are equal in the eyes of law.

Let's try to help the person instead of mocking him. Yes, the bank will pay the money directly to the university, but you have to get a five year's payment requirement details from the accounts department of the university and give it to the bank as evidence of the exact money that you will require. There is a process for that which you must follow to make it happen. Please talk to the accounts head of your institution.

Oh, right, you're another one of those guys who went abroad for an Ivy LLM and had an epiphany about how pathetic the state of affairs in Indian legal education really is. Look, I don't disagree with you that the academic standards at most of these top NLUs is quite mediocre, but that's the case with the entire academic ecosystem of India, especially when it comes to research. Barring some one or two places like IISc, top IITs, the overall standard is low.

But I do think you need investment in the right kind of people and systems to change that and that costs money. To attract talent that are well-versed with high academic standards requires funding and leadership in the institution. NLUD had done it to a degree under RS and we see how they have produced quite impactful research over the last 10 years or so. NLS seems to be doing something of that sort now under the new VC, but the results can only be known a few years down the line. I graduated from one of those top NLUs and some of our more highly-qualified/experienced professors did conduct strict checks on plagiarism and also allowed diverse examination styles. At the same time, the legal education ecosystem here is more focused on quantity than quality. we're expected to dish out a research project for every course without any option, how much time does it leave for actual genuine research in niche areas? And after the semester ends, it's internship time which holds the most value (after grades) for a job. So if the legal education system is largely job-oriented, what can the students do?

I do agree that some of the questions on this site are ridiculous, especially where some people are saying that one should choose NALSAR over NLS since the academic rigour at NALSAR is less and people will have more time to chill, that's very stupid, but these are just some ignorant kids, most of whom haven't even entered law school. Hardly worth generalising over as to the state of legal education in India. But on the context of being racist, that's a desperate accusation. I think a majority of Indians working/studying in India function inefficiently for various reasons. That's simply a fact. Not that this can't be changed, but the point is that the West focuses more on productivity in a holistic sense. And regardless of the choice of going abroad, there is a lack of solidarity to improve the state of affairs here. It's easier to opt for the escapist route.

Honest, fair, tough, clueless about Indian education, all in one. The argument that you are making here also applies to you commenting about legal education then. It is true that three foreign academics cannot cumulatively decide what's best for an Indian law school. They lack ground level data about reality. They will have to rely heavily for such data on the admin, who will doubtless provide a version of their own.

You are not from the law community yet, as is evident from your post. A law student max. TTA pays more than 99% of the law firms in India and gets many deals that matter. It need not be on equal footing with bigshots like AZB or KCO to be called a decent career option for law students.

Whats the pay offered? For a firms that's so selective with anything and has that elaborate internship questionnaire, we would expect a good pay?

And no-one outside the law community has heard of any law firm ever, because we don't work with the common middle class folk.

Opportunism is not non-ideological. Imagine describing a think tank that basically acts like a communication firm for the state, even if the state abuses its power and then advising people to go work for it. Did you think to ask where Vidhi's money comes from or why its donors want it to suck up to the government?

The reason you were asked so many technical question's was not to judge you but because your interviewer in his case doesn't know the law and is thinking that instead of spending time in research they want to see if you have got it down.That's Trilegal for you.Trying very hard to learn some parts of legalese.

Why is it that only that parsis have so much influence in law firms( wadia ghandy, mulla basically all Bombay firms, also azb, jsa, b&p etc.). I've seen parsis get internship at tier 1s in their first year itself. I kinda feel insecure during the internship, as I'm middle class and they all have houses in South Bombay.

Any law firm in Mumbai which doesn't involve old money rich people? Kindly help and not troll please !!

Bangalore rents will make you cry not because of the rent amounts but the sheer number of interviews to get a rental place.Mumbai rents will make you bleed.Ahmedabad is not CAM but practically Adani office.So Noida office is the chosen one.Anyways the work environment is third class at all offices of CAM

Now that Prof Faizan Mustafa has been appointed as VC of CNLU, CNLU may pull placements from NLUO.

TNNLS and RGNUL are better performers.

NLUO just had good placements this year that too almost a dozens in LPOs. NIRF Ranking is getting down.

Time for students to raise voice against admin on every blunders that they have been doing.

Audit reports and log books are the ones which needs to be know.they’ll keep making fools by imposing anything and turn this university into a traditional one.

In the case of Oppenheimer the censorship is justified because the rating is U/A and you cannot show nudity in U/A, only A. Most producers themselves prefer U/A with cuts than A without cuts because then 15/16 year olds can come and you get more viewers. It’s simple market economics, which liberals obviously fail to understand in their blind hatred for the government.

Also, if the moderator allows this topic then he must also allow a discussion of the Mamata govt’s ban on The Kerala Story. You can’t selectively allow Modi bashing.

Trilegal is going to get you working but without any training from the moment you join.Haphazard learning on the job without any clarity on law whatsoever and you will not just not have any future in law ever but you will begin to hate the paw.None of the law firms care about law but Trilegal is a league much lower because of nonsense like "How does the law matter?Just argue what the client says".

Sudhir?

Be a high achieving dropper (he loves to mentor people who reattempt and become champs -for instance he feels droppers especially for clat have a lot to offer and if they shine academically in college - boom , you have it)

Be like a stone , don’t question his decisions , just follow them. Be against the protests the students organise even if they have legitimate demands

Be more inclined towards Oxford/Yale. In any way possible.

Have an aspiration to become a Rhodes scholar - even if you don’t become one , he won’t care.

Be a snob intellectually and top exams - sudhir loves this category even though it doesn’t add any value

Last but not the least - if you are that rebel silent kind of a topper detached from batch , sudhir will Mentor you for sure.

Whatever I said above is correct because sudhir doesn’t love to train people with flaws , he loves to train merciless , unnecessarily determined robots. I am up for a genuine discussion on this. I hope this passes moderation.

LI ppl, I strongly believe that getting a PPO from a firm such TTA is close to getting none, with its relatively low pay and no brand value as such at present. In the future, it might rise to the top and have a great brand value, but at present no one outside the law community has heard of this firm, and also within the law community few people have. Your thoughts? (This thread can be marked as contested by the mods if they deem necessary)

If you are sure about getting into corporate practice then don't waste time. Do a 5 year course and start working. Recruiter are little biased towards 5 years students especially from T1 and T2 NLUs. So its better to do 5 years from a good college (T1 and T2 NLUs, Symbiosis, Jindal) and also at the end of the day comes down to hard word, and discipline with a little bit of luck.

All the best!

Excellent research with hugely relevant findings. Other NLUs need to do so as well.

👍👍👍👍

https://theprint.in/judiciary/chief-justices-use-their-master-of-roster-powers-to-influence-outcomes-of-key-cases-says-new-book/1682236/

I mean. Sudhir is one of the reasons many young people have a career. He’s worked with people at clpr, at apu, and even before that at nujs and nls. He’s mentored a bunch of younger academics.

It’s not so much about being “bright” as it is about being hardworking and earnest with him.

If araghya wants to get into education he should. Rather than firing shots from the sidelines. He has no clue how corrupt and awful the Indian legal education system is. So he thinks nls asked who’re people because of colonial hangover. In reality they likely just asked people who would be honest and tough and fair and that is hard to find in today’s Indian higher Ed system.

Lol dude what trip are you on ? There is very basic stuff Indian universities including nls and nalsar and nujs and nlud don’t do. That they could quite easily do if they actually cared about improving legal education. Not everything is colonialism and colonial hangover. You don’t need millions of dollars to be honest about the work your faculty and students are doing. You don’t need to go exploit some countries to insist on a strict integrity code for all members of the university. You don’t need to have some colonial hangover to have a grounded understanding that some countries are doing things better than others when it comes to legal education. So many excuses and no taking responsibility.

I went to an ivy schools. They had ZERO tolerance for academic fraud or plagiarism. If you plagiarised a two page memo they would report you to all the bar councils in the country and make you unhirable. That’s how serious it was. Senior professors at Harvard and the president of Stanford have recently lost their jobs because of problems with their research work- when was the last time an Indian professor at an Indian NLU was even investigated or scrutinised over allegations of research fraud ? Never ? Is never the right answer ? So are we saying that Indians don’t publish in shady journals ? That they don’t put their names on the work done by phd students ? That they don’t commit fraud ?

None of that is colonialism. All of that is choices people are making today. Primary education in America sucks. The kids there are barely literate. But in college- they hold everyone accountable to standards.

No university needs crores to do this stuff. You can have the intellectual community of a HYP/ Oxbridge even if they don’t have resources / infrastructure. And in its initial years NLS was on the mission to make that happen. But over the years these institutions have been captured by the mediocre dishonest uninterested careerists who have no understanding even of what the standard should be !

It’s not even just faculty. My ivy school had no invigilation for class tests. Students held each other to an honor code and no one cheated cause it was shameful to cheat on something so easy as a class test. Do Indian students today have that kind of commitment to ethics ? Isn’t it true that they openly plagiarise the work done by their seniors for research projects ? That they’ll use everything from Chatgpt to paying for research papers to avoid doing work ? Are they all suffering because of disability/ poor primary education? Or is it possible they’re just lazy and dishonest and live in a society where dishonesty is rewarded ?

Isn’t every other post here about how “chill” a university is , how one doesn’t want to go to a university where there is “too much” focus on study. How students want a party year in their fifth year ? Didn’t nls’s public magazine talk about “scam” courses and “legit” courses ? Are we really pretending there’s no dishonesty ?

Or are we saying that brown people are inherently dishonest and holding them to the same standards is therefore racist / colonialism ?

Cause if we are - you’re the racist.

The UGC rule of 10 years as Professor for being eligible to be Vice Chancellor has not been waived anywhere, rather "it has been violated at some places".

The student bodies cannot get the waiver for any candidate for VCship.

The rule is written in stone.

- Is a comfortable BJP win forecast?

- Are any super-rich law firm owners/Senior Advocates secretly donating to any of the parties?

- If Congress wins, is Adani still expected to get plum projects with CAM benefiting?

- Are any CAM rivals cosying up to the opposition and hedging their bets?

- With Rajiv Luthra's passing away, will Luthra survive without his master networking skills and political contacts?

- Is Karanjawala still in favour after Jaitley's passing away?

- Who is being discussed as a potential SC judge if BJP wins and who if the opposition wins?

[Requesting comments from practitioners, requesting law students not to comment/troll here].

TNNLU's first batch graduated in 2018 however, MNLU NAGPUR's first batch graduated in 2021 only so, it has a bigger alumni base. Though, NLU Nagpur's grads are also working or previously worked at Tier 1 and good Tier 2 firms like SAM, AZB, KCO, Trilegal, JSA, Desai & Diwanji, Bharucha and Pathak & Associates etc.

Further, NLU Nagpur's graduates are also pursuing/ have pursued BCL/ LLM from Oxford, Cambridge, Queen Mary and Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights.

TNNLU's first batch passed in 2018 however, MNLU NAGPUR's first batch passed in 2021 only. Hence, TNNLU has a bigger alumni base. Though NLU Nagpur's graduates are also working/worked in/at Tier 1 and Tier 2 firms like SAM, AZB, Trilegal, Khaitan, JSA, Desai & Diwanji, Pathak & Associates, Bharucha etc. Further, NLU Nagpur's alumni have/are pursued/

If you don’t have contacts, reach out to your Alumni. If you’re from any decent (slightly above average) law school, I’m sure you’ll have a decent alumni base that can be immensely helpful. Of course nobody is going to just hand out an internship solely on that ground but they are more likely to respond and guide you.

Also, do ensure that you have a good CV to go with the practice area you’re applying for. This should be enough for the starters.