It all depends on your team, bond etc. I dont know many people who have had 5 (3 T1 and 2 T2) internships in total, let alone in one field of capital markets. People get all sorts of offers all year around, you just need to be vocal enough to work there. This is what I feel honestly

Most t1 firm ppos have clauses in them preventing just that. Also do realise word of mouth spreads real fast in thus field. You don't wanna be caught in this with feet on two boat.

Why not just relax? Unless the current ppo is from CAM or a t3, I don't see a reason to do this

This seems to be a good repository of firms that do startup oriented work and don't charge "sky is the limit" fees for the same. Any chance to have this thread pinned @kianganz?

Also my guy/girl from the third reply, why are you so salty? Dingy law college, wannabe, cut some slack man. There is enough for everyone to go around. Or maybe you did not get through?

You mean 85k/month excluding perks & allowances is nothing & that too in govt. job?🤣

Dude you should join Ambani's or Adani's Office for desired salary except them none other can pay.

Btw f.y.k.info fresher civil judges now gets nearly 1.12L/m salary (Basic + DA 42%) excluding perks after 2njpc in every states & not 85K/m.

Hi

I had an interview with an associate for the same and fairly answered all questions. They spent 15 mins giving me all the details of the paralegalship and how many hours, how internship is different. Etc. And said the hr will get back in 6 days.

Do you think I shd consider this confirmed ?

I recently started working at a T1 law firm. It was all well apart from the usual problems (over-worked with DDs) in the beginning. However, after about a month and a half, a new partner joined my team. He was unusually nice to me and even offered to do my extra work for some reason (gave to others). Other A0s make snickering remarks about it behind his back and on my face. Does he think I'm too incompetent to do anything and will I get fired? Has anybody else also experienced this? The amount of work I get now has substantially reduced to the point where sometimes I just sit and watch modern family after 7 in the office to seem busy. For context - I work in ▮▮▮ and I am a female (21) from a T1 law school who got a PPO from the firm. I don't think that the firm has less work by any means. Then why am I not getting overworked anymore? Is this a sign? Please help! It's sunday and I don't have any work left to do. Please tell me something!!!!

What's so funny is that for all the trash that you talk looks like your beloved NLS is also following the same path. The gap between the fees of NLS and Jindal is closing down. Wake up and smell the coffee.

In other words, good education is expensive (which is why Harvard too is one of the most expensive Universities to attend), you know nothing better than to stereotype like a naive child, and Jindal has serious students as well and NLUs have rich brats as well.

Fee Structure:

Category

Initiation Fees

Annual Fees

CORPORATE:

Corporate (Transferable)

20 Lakhs Plus 18% GST (Non Refundable)

3 Lakhs Plus 18% GST

INDIVIDUAL:

New Members (Transferable)

20 Lakhs Plus 18% GST

(Non-Refundable)

3 Lakhs Plus 18% GST

How does this make you feel? I’m conflicted and confused! Most of all, I’m disappointed! Let’s discuss?

“Last week, Canadian Minister Justin Trudeau announced in Canadian Parliament that Canada has credible evidence that agents of the Indian government are responsible for the murder of Canadian citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar, on Canadian soil.

For decades, the Sikh diaspora has said we're experiencing foreign interference by India in the west. We've come into contact with it in our organizing spaces, our protests, and our neighborhoods. Our parents have warned us about it our whole lives. Many ask me: why does India target Sikhs? For one, we are loud about where we stand. Sikhs have openly critiqued PM Modi, who is fast-tracking India into an authoritarian state. Our ancestors were loud about the tyrants that preceded him.

Since Prime Minister Trudeau's announcement, the world has seen the absurdities of India's media. Indian news commentators have openly spoken of targeting not only Sikhs abroad but also "nuking" PM Trudeau. India is amongst the world's worst ranked countries for press freedom and has historically used its media to target Sikhs, Muslims, Dalits, Christians, and other minorities. Any resistance from our end gets termed as

"extremism" — a tactic used by authoritarian states globally. In light of this past week, the unchecked claims the Indian government has historically presented to the world for years should now be re-examined.

For decades, global human rights organizations have spoken out about the brutality the Indian government has inflicted upon Punjab (the majority Sikh state): from genocides to extrajudicial murders to false flag attacks. In Punjab, human rights workers who've brought evidence to the world about these atrocities have been murdered. There is a long list of suspicious Sikh murders on North American and European soil.

People have a right to self-determination. To dream of sovereignty in the midst of repression does not make anyone a terrorist. Being a member of the Sikh community is at the core of who I am. Sikh principles have guided my art, poetry, and political activism.

The Canadian government must do everything in its power to bring the Indian government to justice.

Assassinations do not scare us. We will only get louder. Regardless of the consequences, we will continue to fight for our right to exist freely. We will continue to stand with those facing injustice”

- rupi kaur

Reference -https://www.instagram.com/p/CxlhFvIRKZr/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Related to a recent thread, I'm gonna intern with a cap market team of a T1 firm in March next year (2025 batch). It'll be my first cap internship but ai have 2 corporate internships from other T1 firms before this. Can I get an offer in the very first cap market internship given the attrition and non technical work? (T2.5 NLU- almost T3 yes). Please serious answer guys, not in a good mind frame and have negative thoughts very often.

Continuing- sorry missed the last part, most of the lawyers are gems and work life balance is as good as it may get in a law firm. For PGs they are there in abundance try getting a reliable broker through someone who has been in Andheri (or someone who knows someone) rather than trusting random recos otherwise disappointment is never to far away

Apart from the general problems pointed out by the other answers, one thing is that law teaches you to be argumentative, find loopholes and mistakes and point out corrections or errors - in everything: cases, arguments, drafts, projects ("lacunae"), exam fact matrices. Our profession is rarely about generating something new and productive but mostly about criticism and rebuttal. I also think that some of the cases we read (especially crim & consti) and things we hear about in our BA subjects make us extremely negative and hopeless.

Moreover, we are re-socialised in tiny campuses of 500-600 students all learning the same thing. This leads to law students (and lawyers) being the most arrogant, argumentative, critical and cynical people you will ever meet. This pushes people away from us, making us lonely and full of self-hatred. And it's a vicious cycle from then on.

Just curious- which parts of Bangalore have you seen? Or are you one of those types who assumes that Whitefield, Sarjapur and HSR are all that there is of Bangalore?

Bangalore is a remarkably cosmopolitan city- we sent a Mizo to Parliament, our CM was a Rajput, many of our MPs and MLAs are Telugu, and you can manage perfectly well in the city if you only speak Tamil. Many of Bangalore's top businessmen are Punjabis and Sindhis, and there are pockets where Gujarati is the lingua franca. Rajasthan Patrika has a print edition in Bangalore, for God's sake!

Bangalore has an exceptional street food culture- what do you think Darshinis are? Only Lucknow and Kolkata have food that is this cheap and this good.

"Unwelcoming People" is a matter of perspective. I don't want to negate your experience, but I easily know 20 or 30 people personally who have said that Bangalore is an immensely welcoming city. To each their own, I suppose.

Public transportation is not... bad. Try taking buses. I do that for last mile connectivity sometimes. They are clean, not crowded, and take you from place A to B. Uber and Ola are generally functional. I agree that the infrastructure and traffic can do with lots of improvement, but it is happening.

Let's get to why we love Bangalore:

1. It's a cosmopolitan melting pot. From Bohra Muslims to Mangalorean Christians to Sikhs, all of them have come here, thrived, and made this their home. Go to Palace Orchards or Defence Colony or any other old Bangalore haunt, and you'll see the diversity of Bangalore.

2. HUGE literary scene. Bookstores, book launches, quizzes, talks. All of which are accessible to all, and very welcoming.

3. Great cultural scene. Movies in 6 languages are regularly shown. There are free or cheap concerts and shows, from Rock to Carnatic, from Raza to Kathakali. The museum scene is also good. MAP. NGMA, IME, and others. Look up Putting Scene for a list.

4. Sports. There are public spaces and avenues for you to easily play several sports, even if you don't know a soul in the city. Cricket, football, running, golf, basketball, swimming- pick a sport, and you'll be able to play it.

5. Green. I love Basavangudi. I love Cubbon Park. I love Richards Town. This is a city of trees.

6. Food. Grasshopper. KC Das. Khmer Kitchen. Thom's Cafe. Koshys Plum Cake. There are many food secrets that you can take years to discover.

7. Drink. The beer and wine stories are well known. Gin and whiskey lovers are equally well served. There are wine and whiskey clubs that you can join, and that hold regular events.

I can go on, but .. Bangalore is an emotion. You don't like it, that's fine. Some of us wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

Tiers are subjective as per the respective practice areas and directories. If you really need an insight on the tiers, please visit Chambers & Partners (NOT Legal500, Asialaw etc) website and sort basis the respective practice area.

Honestly labeling any firm generally as Tier 1/2/3 may not be ideal since nither growth nor decline is linear. A law firm with sound TMT practice may go south if for any reason half of the partners mid year decide to move to another firm. Similarly, a good PR team may help place a law firm on enviable position despite basic organisational issues.

its an extremely unlivable city, second only to mumbai except mumbai people are nicer. I suppose the non stop grind culture that has been prevalent in Mumbai has made the public more accommodative and understanding. Good weather but traffic scenario, the effort it takes just to rent and the not so great public transport makes it annoying to live in.

Basically title.

Just gathering info ahead of internship apps and stuff and trying to compare with disputes exclusive firms like keystone. Specifically looking for:

- pay

- work hours and culture

- quality and volume of work

- scope to go independent in few years

I've seen quite a few seniors go to cam disputes but don't have much info. Thanks

To clarify:

Gen X = born between 1965 and 1980

Gen Y aka millennials = born between 1981 and 1996

Gen Z = born after 1996

I'm excluding Gen X from the discussion as NLSIU was the only NLU for Gen X-ers and I doubt if any Gen X-ers even visit LI. My question is for Gen Y aka millennials. I think a decent share of Gen Y readers do visit LI (maybe 25% Gen Y readers vs 75% Gen Z readers). Gen X is basically our parents generation, while Gen Y is like the generation of some of our older cousins.So how was college life for y'all? My guess is that the similarities and dissimilarities would be:

Similarities: Competition during moots, pressure to do well in placements, desire to work for tier 1 firms like CAM, complaints against admin, bad mess food, copy-pasting during projects etc.

Dissimilarities: Fewer students appearing for judicial services and UPSC compared with today, narrower career choices compared with today, more ragging compared with today, lack of sensitivity for LGBTQ+ students compared with today, no Tinder and boring dating life similar to our parents, etc. Also, no Netflix, no social media etc, so perhaps low awareness about other countries and cultures for that reason.

Of course, Gen Y will not be homogenous as someone born in 1981 and 1996 will be very different. So maybe you can specify if you are 80s born or 90s born as well.

Padhle bhai, ye sab sochne se khuch nhi hone wala. Baate to aise kar rha hai jaise tere liye job bs taiyar padi hai.

There too much competition after pandemic in RJS, UPCJ etc.

Cut off is baar 80 se kam nhi jaygi logo ko bare acts tips pe hai si ye sab sochne se khuch nhi hone wala.

The individuals in question are unlikely to face a boycott since they haven't been ostracized, unlike certain others who have already fallen victim to the cancel culture movement. Recent events seem to have merely provided an opportunity for this cancel culture group to channel their hate.

This is just one example of the ▮▮▮. The ▮▮▮ is made up of a small group of individuals who are more interested in maintaining their own power and influence than in actually serving the students. They are quick to silence anyone who dares to criticize them, and they are generous with their favours to those who are loyal to them (this also leads to sexual relations between juniors and the seniors in power). This culture of impunity has created a toxic environment in ▮▮▮. Lower-level members ▮▮▮ are often forced to do menial work, while the core committee members enjoy the exemptions that the ▮▮▮ grant to them.

All of this is common knowledge amongst all students in the University but they are afraid to call their batchmates and/or seniors out publically due to the fear of retailiation from these 'influential' folks. It is high time we put a stop to this.

Bro, If you want to talk to me my number is ▮▮▮, and my room no is ▮▮▮ any time you can come I can guide you in filling out the ragging form online which will not come under the jurisdiction to uske pass koi power hi nahi hogi

Rest is up to you (You need to show courage today or tomorrow could be worse)

I will stand with you no matter what

If you have any fear of getting exposed or don't want to come out the best way is to fill out the online ragging form.

Can someone update this, firms have changed their styles of seen zoning and internship rejections.

Saraf and luthra reject in 2 days.

Kco, snr, trilegal and cam only come through placement cells.

Sam and indus probably the only firm axcepting personal applications

Jsa is sticking to hkl and giving on that basis

Sorry what is the claim here? That a university should have 80! teachers who are not regularised? That thats desirable? Its absolutely not. The more professors who are regularised the better any administration is doing.

This is whats happened. NLS hires 6 "visiting assistant profs" a year - and claims these are ad hoc faculty- which is what they are. But they dont list all the faculty they hire to teach electives every term as non regularised faculty.

My sense is that NLUD does not have 80 full time ad hoc professors- that would literally be insane. They must be listing everyone who offered an elective course in there.

Nothing in this section shall be deemed-

(a) to authorize:

(i) any mortgagee other than a mortgagee by conditional sale or a mortgagee under an anomalous mortgage by the terms of which he is entitled to foreclose, to institute a suit for foreclosure, or

(ii) a usufructuary mortgagee as such or a mortgagee by conditional sale as such to institute a suit for sale; ".

Here you go. The other than only qualifies the right to foreclose.

Dude. I will not argue with you anymore. This is an incredibly frustrating conversation- why do you think I am lying about this? literally what nefarious purpose would it have served? It would be a silly thing to argue about no? what would be the point?
I have seen these people receive salary money in their accounts. I have had drinks with them because I am their colleague- and they have told me what work they did and how much they got paid, they have discussed their pay with me when they got hired. Ad hoc folks hired this academic year get 1.15. I have literally no intention arguing with a student trying to prove that I actually teach in this place- because I do. AT did not have teaching or research experience before he joined there. He was fresh out of the LLM. And given he was part time at best- he really did get overpaid. Which- I'm fine with. Neither of the none of the people I'm talking about got absorbed in an open contest and none of them were qualified to become associate professors. You just dont know anything. I made a very simple claim at the beginning of all this- that NLS pays comparable salaries to jgls, and that it pays more than other NLUs, you have now admitted that that is possible. You started out claiming it was impossible. thats literally the point. If the same exact guy is getting the same salary at NLS and JGLS- thats the whole argument I'm making. I didn't say shit about base pay, ta, ra, HRA none of that. I said- in hand they get the same thing. Please go ask your professors if thats not true. I'm absolutely done with this nonsensical conversation.

I'm not naming people specifically because youll be able to figure out exactly who I am based on who my friends are- If youre on campus- youve seen us hanging out. That is literally the only reason. If you were even on campus youd know who all I'm talking about just from the time I said they joined and the experience I said they have. I have no wish to doxx myself on the internet because youre confused about how rules are implemented and what a university can do to hire people. Ive known colleagues who came from nalsar to nls and nalsar to jgls- those two guys get paid about the same both of them. and both of them got a pay bump leaving nalsar. go ask them dude.

Not as liberal as Mumbai but I wouldn't term them conservative. Some people are not welcoming as with all cities

But the fact that some areas of Bangalore are dominated by outsiders shows that the city is largely welcoming

Most individual experiences of outsiders with the people of Bangalore are with auto/cab drivers who are a nuisance. They don't represent the larger population which is largely fine

Absolutely. Mumbai is the most unwelcoming metropolitan city in India. People are on an edge at all times, and will not hesitate to take out their personal frustrations on unrelated persons, especially in the local trains. Plus, in Mumbai, the local people (not only Maharashtrians) seem to take some pleasure in being rude, cocky and mocking those who come from other parts of India.

It's not Bangalore's fault that immigrants don't even bother using BMTC. Buses have great connectivity

Airport buses are finally becoming popular even among immigrants. I have been using buses since I was 13 years old and they're safe, cheap, and have great connectivity

With introduction of Namma BMTC app, tracking buses and planning your travel has also become very easy

Sorry but this pathetic trend needs to end.

@ other GNLU people reading this, circulate this post around and ensure that it isn't swept under the rug especially in the light of other similar events that have recently happened. Harassment of this kind needs to be exposed and held accountable, it is our responsibility as students to ensure this. This university and its entire community has been such a disappointment. Only way to fix what's wrong is by publicizing everything that's wrong and has been given a pass. As stakeholders we need to ensure that it's a safe place for all.

Totally agree, it seems that the site has further deteriorated ever since the appointment of new mods. They publish anything and everything, apart from a "certain incident" that I cannot mention as they'd undoubtedly censor. LI comments section would soon become as deranged as the comments section of a tabloid news site like Daily Mail.

The people who did the research have made multiple assumptions, which may be true from their own career perspective, but can be contested on the ground of reality. I am not talking about the NIRF data itself, which is by now dubious at best. My point is about the assumption that permanent faculty always fare better in terms of adding greater value to the institution by way of research, classroom teaching etc. Most people who have studied at various NLUs would attest to the fact that every NLU has way too much dead wood in terms of permanent faculty who represent a liability to the institution and a drain on its resources. Their teaching quality is sub-par, they rarely update themselves and they either don't publish/research at all, or their papers are also of abysmal quality, or even worse, built on exploited student labour. The administration has got no way of throwing these people out because they have got permanent jobs, nor can they be denied promotion because the bar for UGC promotions is ridiculously low. On the other hand, had these people even had a 3-Year or 5-Year contract with all other assorted benefits that come from permanent positions (PF, gratuity, leave, health plan), then the institution could have dispensed with their services after that expired. It is true that contractual faculty would be operating under restrictions insofar as the present system is concerned, such as not being able to stand up against the admin or give in to irrational student demands lest their contracts are terminated, but the solution is to make the renewal process much robust and based on objective parameters, not to make everyone permanent all at once. At the very least, we should adopt a tenure-track system like in the UK or USA, with everyone starting on a contract and then if they prove themselves to be good, then be made permanent after 3 years or 5 years. If anything, that will ensure that the faculty will always have incentives to deliver best performances, do quality research and publications and actively seek projects to bring much needed fund and exposure to the institutes too. That is in the interest of Indian legal education at present, not the 'sarkari-naukri' style permanence, followed by inevitable indolence. The administration needs to convey assurance to the promising ones that their job won't be at stake, and at the same time, communicate to the others that they need to pull up their socks if they wish to remain there.

In addition, every new faculty must be made to go through at least a few demo classes before students as well as existing faculty before they are allowed to teach unsupervised in the degree programmes. That would at least act as a filter for the worst sort, who cannot even communicate effectively or do not have the slightest of ideas about the subjects that they would be asked to teach. A mentorship system should also be in place wherein the faculty with better repute can be shadowed by the junior for at least a semester or two when it comes to classroom teaching or research. Professor Menon himself used to advocate for such a system, but that is barely in vogue anymore.

Finally, the students also need to get their acts together if they wish to be taught by good faculty. Academic discipline must be followed, especially if they see the faculty making effort to teach them well. Refraining from umpteen excuses for not doing assignments, seeking extensions and exemptions, easy grades, lack of advance reading, and providing useful and timely feedback and putting pressure on the administration to act on the basis of such feedback, these are practices that the students may also consider adopting if they really wish to have the quality of their classroom education enhanced. Just because a faculty is not giving in to every student demand, that does not mean that they do not know what the students actually need. Adherence to quality and empathy are both essential traits of a good teacher.

None of them can do anything to you if you don't let them. They don't have any power to influence your placement or internships or anything else, they just want you to think that they do. If you are too afraid to report this to the university authorities or anti-ragging squad, just drop a mail to the UGC at helpline@antiragging.in or call them at 1800-180-5522. These scums won't know what hit them. More power to you, they don't own this institution.

Just like all other NIRF data given by NLUD, this one too is a lie. They certainly don't have 120 faculty as they have claimed. Even if a person visits the campus once and offers a couple of guest lectures, they show that person as 'faculty'. After median salary, this is yet another instance of the fraud that this institute commits on a regular basis. At this rate, they won't have any credibility left.