Absolutely. Mumbai is the most unwelcoming metropolitan city in India. People are on an edge at all times, and will not hesitate to take out their personal frustrations on unrelated persons, especially in the local trains. Plus, in Mumbai, the local people (not only Maharashtrians) seem to take some pleasure in being rude, cocky and mocking those who come from other parts of India.

It's not Bangalore's fault that immigrants don't even bother using BMTC. Buses have great connectivity

Airport buses are finally becoming popular even among immigrants. I have been using buses since I was 13 years old and they're safe, cheap, and have great connectivity

With introduction of Namma BMTC app, tracking buses and planning your travel has also become very easy

Sorry but this pathetic trend needs to end.

@ other GNLU people reading this, circulate this post around and ensure that it isn't swept under the rug especially in the light of other similar events that have recently happened. Harassment of this kind needs to be exposed and held accountable, it is our responsibility as students to ensure this. This university and its entire community has been such a disappointment. Only way to fix what's wrong is by publicizing everything that's wrong and has been given a pass. As stakeholders we need to ensure that it's a safe place for all.

Totally agree, it seems that the site has further deteriorated ever since the appointment of new mods. They publish anything and everything, apart from a "certain incident" that I cannot mention as they'd undoubtedly censor. LI comments section would soon become as deranged as the comments section of a tabloid news site like Daily Mail.

The people who did the research have made multiple assumptions, which may be true from their own career perspective, but can be contested on the ground of reality. I am not talking about the NIRF data itself, which is by now dubious at best. My point is about the assumption that permanent faculty always fare better in terms of adding greater value to the institution by way of research, classroom teaching etc. Most people who have studied at various NLUs would attest to the fact that every NLU has way too much dead wood in terms of permanent faculty who represent a liability to the institution and a drain on its resources. Their teaching quality is sub-par, they rarely update themselves and they either don't publish/research at all, or their papers are also of abysmal quality, or even worse, built on exploited student labour. The administration has got no way of throwing these people out because they have got permanent jobs, nor can they be denied promotion because the bar for UGC promotions is ridiculously low. On the other hand, had these people even had a 3-Year or 5-Year contract with all other assorted benefits that come from permanent positions (PF, gratuity, leave, health plan), then the institution could have dispensed with their services after that expired. It is true that contractual faculty would be operating under restrictions insofar as the present system is concerned, such as not being able to stand up against the admin or give in to irrational student demands lest their contracts are terminated, but the solution is to make the renewal process much robust and based on objective parameters, not to make everyone permanent all at once. At the very least, we should adopt a tenure-track system like in the UK or USA, with everyone starting on a contract and then if they prove themselves to be good, then be made permanent after 3 years or 5 years. If anything, that will ensure that the faculty will always have incentives to deliver best performances, do quality research and publications and actively seek projects to bring much needed fund and exposure to the institutes too. That is in the interest of Indian legal education at present, not the 'sarkari-naukri' style permanence, followed by inevitable indolence. The administration needs to convey assurance to the promising ones that their job won't be at stake, and at the same time, communicate to the others that they need to pull up their socks if they wish to remain there.

In addition, every new faculty must be made to go through at least a few demo classes before students as well as existing faculty before they are allowed to teach unsupervised in the degree programmes. That would at least act as a filter for the worst sort, who cannot even communicate effectively or do not have the slightest of ideas about the subjects that they would be asked to teach. A mentorship system should also be in place wherein the faculty with better repute can be shadowed by the junior for at least a semester or two when it comes to classroom teaching or research. Professor Menon himself used to advocate for such a system, but that is barely in vogue anymore.

Finally, the students also need to get their acts together if they wish to be taught by good faculty. Academic discipline must be followed, especially if they see the faculty making effort to teach them well. Refraining from umpteen excuses for not doing assignments, seeking extensions and exemptions, easy grades, lack of advance reading, and providing useful and timely feedback and putting pressure on the administration to act on the basis of such feedback, these are practices that the students may also consider adopting if they really wish to have the quality of their classroom education enhanced. Just because a faculty is not giving in to every student demand, that does not mean that they do not know what the students actually need. Adherence to quality and empathy are both essential traits of a good teacher.

None of them can do anything to you if you don't let them. They don't have any power to influence your placement or internships or anything else, they just want you to think that they do. If you are too afraid to report this to the university authorities or anti-ragging squad, just drop a mail to the UGC at helpline@antiragging.in or call them at 1800-180-5522. These scums won't know what hit them. More power to you, they don't own this institution.

Just like all other NIRF data given by NLUD, this one too is a lie. They certainly don't have 120 faculty as they have claimed. Even if a person visits the campus once and offers a couple of guest lectures, they show that person as 'faculty'. After median salary, this is yet another instance of the fraud that this institute commits on a regular basis. At this rate, they won't have any credibility left.

Hi @NLU grad!

The sobering thought here is that not everyone here has a daddy in the profession even if they come from a privileged bg. Also what I have personally come to believe over my law school is that the cake is big enough. No matter how much one hoards, the cake is sufficiently big to feed most. Its just that some get there sooner than later.

Also whoever put that reply up there, not sure how disclosing the name of any firm with preferable work-life (or in my case one that supports the commitments I have towards my family) would help state-unis. I did most of what @NLU grad had mentioned in the previous thread and even then I consider myself lucky to have witnessed things work out.

Can't give out the name of the firm because I would dox myself. Its a very small team. But for starters, its based out Delhi NCR, has an ex-Khaitan as the partner, is a boutique firm and started a couple of months ago. Cheers!

You're saying North India has spicier food than the south? Please, my North Indian friends cannot even handle 2 chillis in their food while we base entire dishes out of it.

Unwelcoming people are everywhere, South Indians are unwelcome in the north and guess you would find it unwelcoming in the south. The way people look down at you if you mispronounce a Hindi word in the north (I would know, studied in the north) is ridiculous when they don't even bother learning South Indian languages

Research here: https://www.barandbench.com/columns/faculty-composition-in-indian-nlus-examining-contractual-vs-regular-appointments

For those who may not be able to access the post later: http://archive.today/FBPGI

The data shows that NLU Delhi far surpasses the other NLUs (including NLS) by a margin so large that the other figures are laughable. Important to note is that there will be a presumption that those who did not submit NIRF data did not have much to show (as is mentioned in the article as well).

NLIU is not even a tier 3 NLU now and they are talking about these things. People have already forgotten about them, so this is their effort to remain relevant. Not a single person who cracks AILET will be interested to even look at NLIU. In fact, people have left NLIU for even private colleges like Symbi and Jindal.

Sudhir provide financial support to students? He is always busy dreaming up new ways about how to extract more money from them! Attendance makeup compromises his vision of academic rigour, so that's not gonna happen either. He does not really care whether NLS wins any moot of repute anymore. He considers mooting as a child's way of keeping busy and hence not meriting so much attention.

You do not need a personal laptop for your firm work. Since in most T1 firms, you’d be working more than 10 hrs a day and at least half the weekends, you won’t really use your personal laptop a lot either.

You can easily use your old personal laptop at least for the first 3 years into the profession, by when you would learn time management better and start getting some free time to start using your personal laptop for recreation.

I have heard that most lawyers, especially males, don't enter in any long-lasting or meaningful relationships with their partners. Either they are outright rejected at first for being in a very non-conventional career and don't hold a mainstream respect in the society, or simply because they don't make enough money to be a future prospect as compared to their peers in other industries.

P.S. I'm talking about corporate lawyers.

I wanted to share something very disturbing here. I am a first year from GNLU in ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮. I've been subjected to harassment and abuse by some ▮▮▮ years living in ▮▮▮ floor. They're all part of ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ including their ▮▮▮. They subject me to do menial work for them. When I didn't do what they had asked of me, they called me to their room. It was some 7-8 of them all ▮▮▮ who bullied and ragged me. They told me that even after they graduate, they have their "people" who would continue to ostracise me. ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ said if I don't listen to him, ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ consider me for any event and his team will ensure I don't have a "decent law school life". I went to talk about this to some third years who I thought could help. However, no one helped except giving empty assurances. One of them said that he supplies intoxicants(ganja) to all in the boys hostel so no one would complain. And that he has good relations with the admin including faculty of ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ and ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ who are ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ of ▮▮▮. All of his friends continue to give me a threatening look in hostel. I avoid going to washroom when I see any of them around. I am also aware that I am not the only victim and that they have done this to multiple 1st and 2nd years... this group forces juniors to consume intoxicants in order to be accepted by them...they all never complain because of his connections with admin and standing as ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮. I feel very threatened on campus. I am scared of calling them out because I know it could retaliate and my life would be ruined.

If you are an assistant professor, then it shouldn't be difficult to mention your basic pay and designation, even while maintaining anonymity. That's not the same as your bank statements, and the fact that you conflate the two is indicative of you being a student troll. Moreover, all APs at NLS get paid that much? This is even more amusing, considering that many APs are supposed to be paid much more than that under UGC scale only. Please quit trolling.

Please tell me what salary you had been offered at NLS (with basic/DA/HRA/TA components) and whether you had any academic experience before that and what was your exact academic level designation (you should know that if you had really got an offer from NLS). JGLS could have offered you more or less, I don't really care, since they are a private university. I assure you that NLS did not offer you more than you actually were entitled to according to UGC norms, unless they were showing extra allowances for any additional admin duty that you were supposed to do.

You keep making it clear that you don't know anything of this sort. It is also clear that you are a student having only superficial knowledge of the system being referred to. It is good that you referred to AT and either KR or MM. I happen to know all three as well as the exact terms of their contract with NLS. So, those would serve as good examples to debunk your false narrative that you wish to stick to for some unfathomable reason.

First of all, you have got some serious comprehension issues. You keep harping on the point that according to me, Assistant Professors cannot get paid as much as 1.2 L per month, when I said nothing of the sort. I can name 50 APs across the NLUs who are being paid that or more. AP is not a homogeneous category, genius! You get paid more based on your academic work experience. The 80-85K (depending on city-based HRA) is for FRESHER APs without any academic experience whatsoever, or someone who joins a new fresher post without pay protection from an earlier post. Both the people whom you mentioned were not freshers, and if you could not figure that out, then I feel sorry for the clients who would in future have the misfortune to rely upon you.

Secondly, no public law university can pay out of turn to a full-time teacher even if they want to. That's a financial irregularity that their FC would not sanction, and other faculty who have reached their pay scale via the UGC CAS promotion route would protest and successfully challenge the decision before any court of law. The only way to get a relatively junior faculty a higher pay scale is to absorb them in an open-contest higher position. By promotion, an Assistant Professor can make Associate only after 13 years (12 in case of an early PhD), which does not depend on whether university has such a position vacant. By open selection, they can make Associate only after 8 years or Professor after 10 years, provided the university has a vacancy (that too, they will have to satisfy the eligibility requirements of such posts). NLS is not your or Sudhir's ancestral property that these rules can be broken with impunity, especially when the money actually comes from the students and the university also accepts state government funds and hence amenable to audit. Jindal on the other hand can pay whomever whatever they want, because they are private, don't accept government funds and have got IOE status. They can even pay different salaries to two faculty with exactly identical designation without an Article 14 writ being filed against them. NLS cannot do that either.

You should improve your knowledge instead of relying on hearsay and then come opining on matters like this. You seem to be a student who doesn't really have a clue, so it's useless engaging with you any further. By the way, AT was not being paid as much by NLS as by Jindal. He was getting more than what an AP in his position should have been paid, but that was because he was charged with additional admin responsibilities at NLS over and above his duties as AP. Clearly, you don't know that either. I won't get into a debate about the ethical issues involved there, since if neither NLS nor Jindal had any problem with the arrangement, I don't see what concern it is of anybody else.

i spoke to a managing partner of a magic circle firm just before covid hit, about jan 2020, he said even if the govt of ind allows us to open office in delhi we would not provide a full service bouquet as the clients there are very price sensitive, he went on to discuss a very prominent industrialist who has a hands on approach, on a cross border acquisition he said how can law firms charge like this, after several rounds of back and forth they paid up, but the partner said he vowed never to work with that client again.

Hi User 1,

First of all it’s commendable that inspite of such odds, you haven’t given up and you are still trying.

Let me tell you the biggest hurdle you will face to get a job/ even once you get a job - culture fit. This is a vague word used in the industry to gatekeep certain opportunities from people without contacts. Because even once you get into a firm, it’s not just about doing the job diligently - a lot of it is about how you get along with people in the firm, and this isn’t just about being humble or curious to learn, this also means being able to talk about your favourite soccer club, your favourite restaurant, your favourite trip - things which will easier for your peers because they have had a relatively elite upbringing and shared experience in law schools.

Even for you to do the job well - you will have to learn from someone. Since law firms have huge amount of work, and people are pressed for time, you will need a mentor who will lookout for you. Again, for the person to be your mentor and like, a lot will depend on how you get along with them, and this will depend on the above mentioned things.

Sure, not all law firm teams are like this. There are teams which have people from humble upbringing so they understand the struggle. But whether you land up in such a team will depend on your luck.

All the best!

These days, majority of comments are all about juvenile and tasteless flexing and abuses between law school students. That's why the few threads that are useful get eclipsed. LI's policy of allowing all this nonsense in the name of free speech is just meant to attract site traffic, that's all. The new mods are just completely useless when it comes to filtering such useless stuff.

Hi.

So this is actually a query that will ring the bell for many people on this platform. There are now significantly less opportunities for freshers in the market, including the legal profession. Be it corporate, litigation, consulting, in-house and others, all of it majorly require a person to have prior experience for exploring job options.

What then is left with freshers mostly is to do internships even after graduation. Which isn't bad, but consider a person doing internships for 8 months to one year after graduation. Now whether these internships will actually hold value in future employment opportunities considering they are not counted as PQE?

I am of the opinion that, reputed internships where a person would be able to reflect in CV that he/she gained experience, does create a favourable situation for a candidate in scenarios where an employer highlights more than 1 year PQE as a prerequisite to apply.

But this is becoming very whimsical. Any thoughts?

NLSIU can reach top 30-35 globally but higher than that will be tough. In any case, I think a top 30-35 global rank for NLSIU will be a fair reflection of its standards, rather than a top 5/top 10 global ranking. In the current QS ranking, Duke is 29, Queen Mary is 32, Cornell and Michigan are 34. I feel this is the band that NLSIU belongs to and should aspire for. Even though NLSIU is called Harvard of the East, I think a top 5/top 10 ranking like Harvard is out of reach and unrealistic. So NLSIU's real goal should be to become a Duke/Cornell/Michigan/Queen Mary of the East, rather than a Harvard of the East. No shame in that, these are perfectly good colleges!

Links to the story below, but the two tweets below sum it up best. IMO this exemplifies the hypocrisy of SoBo elites cosplaying as left-liberal socialist intellectuals (HOB = Karishma Mehta, a Bombay Scottish-Nottingham Uni educated girl who also fawningly interviewed Modi, LOL).

It's a complete misuse of IP law in the style of greedy corporations. The court should throw out this lawsuit with costs. I'm also disappointed that an NLSIU alum (Abhishek Malhotra) is representing HOB. He should have advised them not to sue. That would be the proper and ethical advice.

"I've stayed quiet on the appropriation of my work because I think @HumansOfBombay shares important stories, even if they've monetized far past anything I'd feel comfortable doing on HONY. But you can't be suing people for what I've forgiven you for."

- Brad Stanton

https://twitter.com/humansofny/status/1705574758450893126

"Pathetic - literally a plagiariser, suing someone for plagiarism, claiming their plagiarism is justified because it’s pseudo artistic/high-brow. Plagiarism is theft & you’re a common thief - nothing more, nothing less."

- Abhijit Iyer-Mitra

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1705807206376169499

https://www.barandbench.com/news/delhi-high-court-summons-people-of-india-copyright-infringement-suit-humans-of-bombay

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/humans-of-bombay-vs-humans-of-new-york-why-hony-founder-brandon-stanton-is-angry-with-hob-101695490062728.html

https://www.latestly.com/socially/social-viral/humans-of-new-yorks-brandon-stanton-tweets-against-humans-of-bombay-after-delhi-high-court-issues-summons-to-people-of-india-in-copyright-infringement-suit-by-hob-5435360.html

https://groundreport.in/what-is-humans-of-bombay-owned-by-karishma-mehta-being-trolled-on-x/

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/brandon-stanton-expresses-displeasure-at-humans-of-bombays-lawsuit-internet-buzzes-with-reactions-to-hobs-response-11695518946900.html

Anyone noticed how so many threads are full of troll replies (personal attacks, completely irrelevant comments, obvious identity-based bigotry, toxic comparisons), which are published by the mods anyway until it gets reported? I am not opposed to opposing viewpoints but quality discussion on this website seems to be a rarity. Shows how anonymity can be a double-edged sword. Kian needs to do something, or LI would end up as just another typical Indian chatroom. My suggestion would be to enforce moderation much more stringently, publish a set of rules/guidelines for discussions, and hand out IP bans to repeated violators.

Do law firms compulsorily ask their freshers to use the laptops given by the firm, or do you have the option to use our own laptops (there is a legally India thread about it, but it is quite old now, need to know about the latest scenario).

Alternatively, what all firms provide laptops to their A0s.

Alternatively*2, is it suggested to buy a new fancy laptop in the final year of your law school, or get the old one repaired and try to use it for next one year.

Agreed.CAM maybe a century told legacy based firm and fat cat in law circles but when it comes to legal knowledge its horrible.Its probably Tier 10.

But in looting clients by overbilling and and giving wrong advice so that litigation never end's and client is getting forever billed its topmost Tier 1.

All firm guidelines will have grooming requirements. They're not meant to be trans exclusionary, they're only meant to be etiquette standards based on traditional gender roles. As a fellow member of the community (cis) I know of several peers in the community doing well in firms, but that's because they're either closeted or do nothing to bring sexual identity into the workplace.

Being trans, your case is obviously different since it's a gender identity matter. You'll have a very tough time getting in anywhere because client facing roles demand a heterogeneous, conforming attorney base and no EP will risk client "discomfort". I am putting these in plain words so you can effectively assess your plans.

You may perhaps speak to a headhunter or two to see if they can shop around your profile to firms to see if someone proactively takes you up.

The main reason is money. Many people don't take up international moots because of the hefty spending that comes with it. Sudhir should try and financially help those folks, and provide attendance makeup. Instead of putting up a shitty moot problem, he should support the students who are good at it.

Mark my words, even with the easier moot problem that was used this year, you will find those same folks go for international trips!!

When I know for sure that I won't be able to spend 1lakh for a moot, there is no incentive for me to work hard for the univ rounds or even participate in it!

Have enough friends in these places. And I’ve met enough people from all the top NLUs to actually pass this judgement. They’re just simply not any better than us. And you guys literally had just three of our faculty leave for you and that too because one of them were a couple pair, but that’s enough to boost your ego so much? I couldn’t care less about your opinion about NLUD, keep being salty about flunking AILET.

Lol, buddy, you’re at NLIU. 10 batches ahead of us and you guys have nowhere near half our achievements. So don’t act like you’re on some moral high ground about this. It’s not about coping, it’s about trolling the anti-NLUD trolls right back where it hurts them most. They all flunked AILET (so did you) and they know it.

Consider reading the notwithstanding part once again? If anything, it clarifies an usufructuary mortgagee cannot institute a suit for sale.

"Nothing in this section shall be deemed(a) to authorize ... a usufructuary mortgagee as such

.. to institute a suit for sale"

Also, maybe revisit 58 and the definition of usufructuary mortgage.

Nothing to research in a tax law - that's a big statement. I'm an indirect tax practitioner and life would be so good if that's what turns out to be case. For indirect taxes, while we do have a lot of jurisprudence to borrow from historical indirect taxes, a lot of issues are still open in GST. We are still fighting disputes for transitional credit so you can understand the scene. Don't worry, the field is going to be good for next ten years at the very least.

yeah except they literally are being consulted- vidhi has been meeting with lawyers,activists, representatives from all these embattled communities. Youre the one insisting that things are otherwise with no evidence. The MPs might be crass- but they vote for progressive stuff over and over again. Chandrachud speaks fancy english and has fancy degrees and then does what he did with ayodhya. Cope.