Yeah that too from the 2026 Ballb batch- AMS cited one of our batchmates in the marriage equality case.. Do we not know how hard the admin is pushing to inflate your GPAs, and other things. But still we will smoke you. Take the example of any college, like JGLS, where LLB and Ballb co-exist. Even there placements in BALLB far exceed LLB's placements. Once Sudhir is gone, and he will have to leave soon, there you guys will experience what happens when spoon feeding stops. Arrogant aholes

During lockdown, I called my SA "BKL" without realising the VC call was still ongoing. Extremely embarrassing situation.

If you needed 16hrs/day to crack CLAT, thank India, for having CLAT and not forcing you into the IIT JEE advance race. Or now, in the UPSC CSE/UPPCS race.

Go and crack UPSC CSE and get under 250 rank (to get IAS/IPS/IFS in Gen) if you think you have the "humanities + top legal sharp brain." Come back here and I will apologize.

Leave UPSC CSE, crack UPPCS and become DSP from General category and I will bow to your legal prowess.

Thanks. Don't worry, I have failed 100 times in my life to know, that failure is Okay. And acceptance of one imperfection is the first step. I will accept your superiority. And apologise here.

Hey, thank you for the answer! So should I stick with GNLU for five years? I want to experience life away from home... and I think dropping a year might not be worth it given how fast GNLU is growing. Will the difference between NLS and GNLU in five years be negligible, or will there still be enough incentive for me to reattempt?

LLB(H) program will survive the test of time at NLS just as it has all over the country, US etc.

These kids have zero perspective on life. They think one floozy exam like CLAT gives them the ticket to brag town next to snob square for the rest of their lives.

LLB(H) will soon stand on its own merits as soon as the first few batches pass out and make a spectacular name for themselves. It’s just a matter of few years.

Ever since the current faculty advisor has been put in charge of the Moot Court Society, the efficiency and output of the Society has been plummeting. Other than using flowery and archaic language and sporting a fake accent, together with an air of superiority, she has brought nothing on the table. Nor does she ever do anything other than ordering students around in meaningless errands and has got little clue about moots are supposed to work.

All this talk about Abishek Manu Singhvi, it really doesn't matter. Both batches have to co-exist in the end.

For all the LLL(H) students out here mocking, please note, while none of us have interned there, one of our students has legitimately been cited by Manu Singhvi in the Marriage Equality decision (BA LLB batch).

Respect where respect is due eh?

I knew a guy who took a crack at it, gave it his all, and nearly grasped success. The man in question had a decent academic record from law school and was convinced that he possessed striking physical attributes, which made him stand out amongst his law-school peers. His cheerleaders often commented on his impressive looks and the personality that, they claimed, would be 'wasted' if he pursued the mediocre path of law. Like many others at the law school, he was a cinephile, always eager to discuss Hollywood and Indian classics. He lauded De Niro's performances in 'Taxi Driver' and 'Raging Bull', and Pacino's in 'Carlito’s Way', and he sang high praises for Kulbhushan Kharbanda in 'Arth'. His impersonations of scenes from Big B’s epic 'Agneepath' delighted his friends, earning him heaps of praise for his acting prowess and unsolicited assertions that he was destined for stardom and perhaps the illustrious Manikchand Filmfare Award.

He basked in the adoration, dabbling in local theater productions designed for the young, English-speaking, collegiate crowds of the city. Some of my acquaintances were lucky enough to catch his live performances. While praises varied in generosity, the skeptics simply admired his guts to brave the stage with his... let's say, unique talents.

After law school, he joined the ranks at one of the 'Big Laws' on Barakhamba Road, Delhi. Yet, the seed of stardom had already taken root, and he often envisioned himself far from the plains of Delhi, in the city by the Bay. Following three and a half years of contemplation and nagging self-doubt, he convinced himself of his true calling. With what he believed was enough savings, he took the leap of faith. He vowed never to return to the rat race, determined to honor his own aspirations and the expectations of his law school admirers by making an 'all-in' attempt to penetrate the dazzling world of stardom. Inspired by the Shah of Bollywood himself, he put his faith in the stories of outsiders who had achieved great success based solely on their talent.

Leaving his job and a cushy two-bedroom shared builder-floor apartment in South Ex behind, he moved into a modest one-room kitchen at Yari Road. He joined an upscale gym frequented by hopeful starlets and hired a personal trainer to sculpt his physique to cinematic perfection. He poured more of his nest egg into a respected but has-been actor's crash course on cinema acting, quickly learning that his diction, dialogue delivery, body language, and screen presence needed considerable work. Transitioning to a more intensive and pricier acting program seemed only sensible. Professional photographers captured his portfolio across Bombay, and he spent lavishly on trendy Bandra drip for numerous auditions.

A grueling year of auditions ensued, filled with long lines and brief encounters with dubious individuals and their questionable bargains. He was one in a sea of dreamy-eyed, eager hopefuls, each hungrier and more desperate than our protagonist and mostly without a safety net. Some had even torched their bridges for a one-way ticket to the dream factory.

After almost nine months of relentless door-knocking and rejections for not having the "right" voice or "face-cut", his funds dwindled to nothing, culminating in overdue rent.

At a soiree hosted by a batchmate fresh from a Japanese bank secondment, he reconnected with old friends who had once sung his praises. As they lamented their corporate lives and flaunted their 'aquaracers', while repeatedly trying to impress each other with the stories they picked up or were part of while negotiating some ‘who-give-a-shit’ SHA. For a brief moment, our man was transported back to his law school glory days, where life seemed easy and dreams meant to be conquered. Sharing tales of audition room woes and lines from roles that never were, he found clarity.

The next day, he borrowed money from his brother, settled his rent, and reached out to his old boss—who, as fate would have it, ghosted him. By week's end, his resume was spruced up on Naukar.com, courtesy of classmates, and distributed to the who's who of headhunters.

By year's end, he secured a job at a modest law firm and returned to Delhi — the land of 'Dally Maitro', 'Cholesterol Bhature', and loud mouths. His cinematic aspirations were quietly shelved, his retainer fee a tad below his peers, his passion for film buried in the graveyard of forgotten dreams.

I literally know of someone with a UG in music doing BSc Data Science from IIT Madras. The education space is not as linear as it used to be buddy. Things are changing fast. There are 60 year olds doing CA course. 50 year old housewives learning how to code. What world are you living in? Law is not anyone’s jagir. Anyone can do law from anywhere they want to.

And no matter what course from which NLU you’ve done in your undergraduate, it wouldn’t matter years from now if you don’t upskill and reskill. Your problem is your own inability to differentiate yourself in the job market. Not a group of llb students. Think different. Make your cv stand out.

Also the number of people passing out from 12th wanting to do a graduation will obviously always be higher than number of degree holders wanting to pursue a graduate level course. CLAT vs NLSAT comparison on the basis of number of people appearing, doesn’t make sense by any stretch of imagination.

A 100m race in which there are 100 participants, with average capabilities, vs a 100m race in which there are 10 participants with Usain Bolt level capabilities; which one would be considered “difficult”?

Number of participants doesn’t make an exam in itself easy or difficult. The correct term to use for CLAT is not “difficult” but low selection percentage. But if you just compare the two papers by themselves (CLAT vs NLSAT) without considering how many people appear for them, NLSAT is more difficult. It even has a subjective section. The competition is among graduates, some even from Stephen’s, SRCC etc. The skills required are much higher.

A 100m race where there are 100 participants of average capabilities, vs a 100m race where there are 10 participants, but all 10 are Usain Bolt level runners - which race would be considered more “difficult”?

More number of participants doesn’t make a competition in itself difficult; the correct term would be “low selection percentage”

They have a strong bench strength: https://www.barandbench.com/news/online-certificate-course-banking-finance-by-jsa-simulegum

Needlessly condescending and patronizing. I don't intend to begin with cock measuring here, but let me assure you - any particular batch of '26 BALLB ("kiddo") can smoke most of your batchmates. I have great respect for many LLB(H) students, but you'd be well advised to have some regard for batch of '26 - who within their III year have done a fair bit. I don't see LLB(H) students outperforming BALLB students at any activity, barring debating.

Have some basic respect, it'll go a long way.

I was asking just for a plan b instake..latter I think after 5 years dnlu jabalpur may have good placement as of now I talked to an legal advisor who is in contact with registr of dnlu jabalpur he told that tha vision is very vast and mp gov is paying more attention at dnlu other than of nliu also and that's why a very big campus is also getting constructed of 125acre land basically they are planing to provide every opportunity. Currently I'm choosing to float and I will also give mhcet for glc mumbai and ils which are better than jbp and all these college I'm keeping for as a plan b because I really want to get into nlsiu dream college or atleast tier 1 nlus

NFSU and the Directorate General of GST Intelligence (DGGI) have inaugurated India's first digital forensic laboratory in Gandhinagar on 8th January 2024. The next two labs will come up in Delhi and Chennai by March 2024 and the last two will be in Mumbai and Kolkata by June 2024. These five labs with a funding of ₹16 crores will play a key role in tackling financial crimes through advanced digital forensics and cyber security practices. This is a remarkable feat by NFSU and will translate into exceptional opportunities for the faculty, researchers, and students. NFSU is truly thriving and is part of the national narrative in the larger scheme of things. It has a seat at the high table.

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1994273

How is it speculative? Please go and read how reservation policy works in India. As far as transparency and publishing merit list is concerned, please when you file a PIL in Court for the merit list, also file one asking UPSC to publish the prelims answer key after the Prelims exam and not after completing the whole exam cycle (1.5y later), so that no one can question their absurd logic in selecting answers.

Transparency. :)

Bhai woh statutory law hai. It can be changed. Here, we are talking about Constitutional Amendment. There is a huge difference.

Constitutional amendments (which do not change the federal nature of polity) need a Special majority from both houses + no joint sitting is allowed. So, you need a Special majority in both houses which is very difficult to get in Rajya Sabha (even Rajiv Gandhi did not have it). So, a lot of manoeuvring and ED's dastak at regional party's door is needed.

Constitutional amendments (which change the federal nature of polity), like GST bill, needs further ratification from 16 states by a simple majority. There too there is a loophole. There is no time limit as to when they can ratify. So, it becomes more difficult and further onboarding of regional satraps is needed.

Statutory laws can be amended on a whim. A simple majority is required and joint sitting is also allowed. So, even if I am against you, I can walk out in protest, and reduce the numbers and help you (which the JDU does). This is not possible in a Constitutional amendment.

A. Factual Background:

1. I am into litigation by circumstances. First-gen, at the current chamber for 2 years, right since the time of my enrollment.
2. The senior, (non-designated, mainly HC matters), in all due fairness gives me practically a free-hand when it comes to drafting. Even if this sounds like bragging, the truth is that 90-95% of my draft fits the requirements without ANY changes whatsoever. While at this chamber, I have drafted Second Appeals which have been admitted, Writs, Rejoinders, Replies, you get the hint. Almost everything. Interim Applications (yes, multiple) are a weekly fare.

3. I know I am a good draftsperson. The senior has directly and impliedly stated that I am on a decent point so far as drafting goes. I do not fear, but always do have necessary reverence towards the Courts. I have more than enough command over my language.

4. Despite all that is stated above, the only reason I am in the Court's well, even to this date is for adjournments. That in my view is NOT normal. Especially when I have a decent skill-set. To put things into perspective, even when seeking an adjournment, I am not allowed to carry the brief. I hate being in the CCourtwithout the complete brief, the judges rightly express their disapproval about the same.

5. The said senior has expressly stated that he shall not permit me to tender joint appearances. Despite me having drafted the entire Memo/ Plaint/ Application, there is NO talk of a joint VP, even for the sake of formality.

6. I am the only junior here. No interns either. Naturally the senior's kid would join this Chamber, in an year or two, once the said kid completes the law degree. The stipend is peanuts. The individual, as a person is not bad. In fact, the said individual is a decent person.

7. Since my joining, I have gradually shouldered little over 50% of all drafting work that needs doing. Lit and non-lit alike.

B. CONTENTIONS AND CONUNDRUMS

1. Is this work pattern routine? Am I being oversensitive? I have seen some of my acquaintances also NOT be in the well when the senior is addressing the Court, but later on, they too have begun joining the senior in the well.

2. In the event this is not routine, am i being really exploited in the name of "tradition of the Bar", "learn by observing from outside the well" and what nots?

C. ENDING NOTES CONCERNING 'SOCIAL CUES'

1. I really have no one to compare experiences and notes with, on this point. There are so MANY things that happen in the name of Bar tradition, such as giving up your chairs to seniors (non-designated as well), leaving the table when seniors want to sit there, not sitting aatthe so-called/ claimed 'Senior Tables' among other things. Some of these things make sense to me, some don't.

2. There is no practice of talking about these subtleties, especially at the Appellate Side of the HC where I practice. One may probably learn law and even argumentation through observation, but this reading the room thing doesn't always come easy.

I appreciate to the point answers. Trolls, please excuse.

Posting this rather well stated message from another thread here, because of its extremely relevant to this discussion. LLB(H) batch needs be less cocky about some minor internships, and the BALLB batch needs to see the LLB(H) as equal peers. This cockmeasuring benefits no one.

This is a rather sad state of affairs for NLSIU in general. By way of introduction, I'm a student of the B.A. LLB cohort, my RCC rank is top 10, and I've done my share of moots, ADR, and publications (the relevance of the seemingly self aggrandizing comments will be clear as you read the post). While LegallyIndia is not the best place to have this discussion, in the absence of any meaningful dialogue outside it, perhaps this is the best we have. Now, there are some things I wish to set out, in the capacity above:

1. Yes, the 3 year LLB program is pushed for by the admin, and no, there is nothing wrong with it. It's a new program, it's budding, how is it wrong for the admin to try and provide it a nudge? We can't be so competitive, they are legitimately our peers. While it can be a bit frustrating to see it this way, it's important to be mindful of this program, and see them as our peers rather than competitors who will take our jobs away. They bring a lot of diversity, and particularly, skills in the social science on the table, and we all stand to benefit from it, provided we collaborate and engage, rather than ranting about minor things that the admin may have done.

2. As far as extra-curriculars go, it is true, the 3 year LLB program has 'underperformed' till now. If you look at the intra-university moot and journal results, this becomes very evident, with barely 1-2 students from those programs making it to the top 30. 3-4 BA-LLB (Kartik Kalra, Manhar Bansal, Priyansh Dixit, Sukarm Sharma) students probably have more publications than the entire LLB (Hons.) combined. Similarly, all of the top moots are taken by BA.LLB students. However, this is not due to any superiority on the part of us B.A.LL.B students. It's simply because we are young, and more invested in this process. For a person who has already completed their degree, and lived a large chunk of their college life, these things seem infinitely less valuable - and perhaps reasonably so. In that light, it is difficult to draw comparisons, and such comparisons benefit no one.

3. There are some tensions, naturally, between the two cohorts. I do think both B.A.LLB (seeing the 3 year LLB program as outsiders) and LLB Hons. (seeing the 3 year LLB program as pubescent teenagers) are partially to blame. This can be resolved through some mutual respect, which frankly does not seem likely presently, for whatever reasons

BJP cannot change the Basic Structure of the Constitution, but, they will change the Constitution "without changing the Constitution."

1. The basic structure doctrine has around 50 items as of today. You can Wikipedia it. Most of them are fairly vague, like - independence of the judiciary, parliamentary form of govt. etc.

- Have they defined independence? Who says If NJAC comes the independence will most likely reduce? Are there research papers that show that when the political executive appoints judges their independence reduce? USA does that.

- Who defines the parliamentary form of govt? France has a mix of Presidential & parliamentary form of govt. So, something like that can happen in India too.

Point is, like the Article 370 removal where the Legislative assembly was termed as Constituent assembly and since Legislative assembly was disbanded ultimately the parliament had the powers, similar wordplay can be done to change things without changing things.

2. Basic structure doctrine itself is evolving. Meaning tomorrow one can add - using social media sites without permission of authorities as a Fundamental right and put it in the basic structure. So, who is to say a pro right judge bench would not add a pro BJP ideal in the Basic Structure?

3. It serves the BJP to carry the Dr. Ambedkar image. Like the Dual Govt. of Bengal after the battle of Plassey, BJP will like to keep the image of Dr. Ambedkar so that it shields them from all issues. So, they would try to co-opt him. Remember the Sarkari app for UPI is not UPI, it is BHIM (Bharat interface for money).

So, all in all, BJP will slowly change the Constitution, without changing the Constitution. When the main power centre of the state is doing Puja in Public, why cry when "secular" is written in some book which even the lawyers find difficult to understand, and no one in 1.4 Billion actually reads (except dumb UPSC CSE aspirants jinka jeena haraam kar deti hai UPSC by asking question khod khod ke)

Ha, CLAT walo gaali do NLSAT ko.

IIT ke 4 lakh+ applicant se reject hue hum.

Even Bangalore COMEDK ke 1 lakh+ applicant se reject hue hum.

CAT 99.6 pe IIM BLACKI se reject hue hum.

UPSC CSE ke 10 lakh applicant se reject hue hum.

Par hume na samjh hai, na padhne ki chah hai. Bas aap aur aapke 60k CLAT aspirants hi legal reasoning ke khiladi hai. If you go to St. Michael's Patna, their class 11th entrance has 10-15k aspirants for PCM. (Even though it is not that great a school).

I want to write NLSAT because I want to study law. That's it. No one in real world cares about NLS or NLUs. For most of India, IIT>IIM>ISB is the pecking order. The world respects Indian Engineering because of the tenacity of the IIT students.

Khair, ladiye.. Enjoy.

Since this thread has not been closed yet, I hope my answer is published. You have to understand that by May all the colleges take your NRIS docs and verify your application. The merit list of NLUJ shows the list till 1445. But in reality a lot of folks can’t end up affording the seats/ or their application gets rejected, plus they just don’t want it- so the seat passes on. If you verified yourself in the merit list, then you would get a mail which is easily the most transparent process. To save time and expedite the admission process (so that candidates start classes before the deadline), colleges start offering the seats to the candidate next in the list and don’t update them at the same time. Some colleges do. Like NLIU. Like HNLU. Even MNLU Mumbai didn’t update their list last year. What happened? They launched a vacancy notification in October. Last year a NRI domicile candidate got till 5.5 k in nujs in the merit list itself. So there was no vacancy notification. NLUJ closed till 3k. What my point is that don’t solely base your hopes on the website list. Colleges at the end just don’t update their respective lists. And it’s not only case of NRI-S rankings, it happens in case of general seats too. They may mail you and can update later.

Ex alumni. It's all you. If you go there, all the onus is on you to perform. Don't expect the university, the VC, the faculty or the students to help you. No placement. No tier1 or 2 firms. Internships arranged only for Assam students. If you can stay away from the crowd, you'll be safe, otherwise you'll become a raging alcoholic and druggie in 5 years. Most of my batchmates, smart students by the end of 5 years couldn't even land a job. So my suggestion, you will have no one to blame except yourself if you join. All the best.

If you already have a decent family background with stable financial backing and a strong will to pursue litigation then I don't there's any need to be indecisive about this. Go to nuals. I mean ofc going to nluj would be slightly beneficial but in the long run I am sure you won't regret saving a couple of lakhs and trusting your privilege to provide you with a jump start in both litigation or the corporate sector. Plus you would graduate in 2029 and the current t2 NLUs will surely be at a better place if not the best.

There is already a thread on NLUJAA. Making a new one won't change the reality. If you want to waste your 5 years. Go ahead and join. Otherwise it's better to join DU, GLC or Symbi. Or give the clat again and switch. Majority of people who stay are those who don't get through CLAT again or are locals from the state.

I find that controlling your anger is like a muscle exercise. You need to do keep doing it consciously. No matter how much you meditate, or find other ways to relax yourself, there will always be moments in your daily life which will trigger your anger response. It's like this for every human. You need to train yourself to take that buffer of 5,10,20 seconds to control your anger response. And like a muscle, you'll have to do this every time you feel angry, no matter how justified that anger feels in the moment. Because you will always regret it afterwards if you take out your anger in the moment. In my case, I tell myself that even if I feel that the other person is being wrong or unreasonable, I will not react right now. I will stay quiet, think about it by myself when I have some quiet time and then communicate what I felt to them in order to work out a resolution. Sometimes the mind thinks that it is being subordinate or stupid by not reacting immediately. After all, expressing anger is a way of seeking justice. If you assure yourself that you are not allowing injustice to happen to yourself, and you are just taking a different route rather than an anger outburst, you could be able to avoid taking out your anger on others in the moment. Obviously there will be some people who mistake such behaviour for passiveness and some also try to take advantage of those who don't react in anger. But I would say don't bother about them, I have found life is overall better for ourselves and our close ones when we follow this.

I do have a job but I would clarify almost everything in this response.

1. Prep scenes for civils and judiciary - yes possible but please do make it. Because if you fail and have to stay back at the organisation, be sure to face some flak and lack of growth because of your prep.

2. Intellectual stimulation nahi chahiye toh anything can keep you engaged.

3. For switch to private sector, you will have to lie on your CV and read up and pray to god you get lucky. Anybody (up to some extent me also) who has moved out of PSUs has lied about the quality of work they did. It is easy to go into litigation. You need to read up in relation to the sector you want to shift to.

4. Anybody who wants a CTC breakup, please ask the HR once you join. Emoluments keep changing depending on the profitability so it’s difficult to put a number. You’ll get somewhere between 60-75k. Also depends if you have a vehicle, you get a fuel allowance, if you don’t stay in company accommodation, you get additional HRA. So you get the general idea.

ProMotion and all is very subjective. You are the bottom feeder as a part of the legal department and will be treated as so because at the end of the day, you’re a cost centre and not a fee earner. So you’ll be treated as such.

The promotion of legal departments will not be prioritised, your legal retreats or off sites will not have adequate budgets, you’ll not get good journal subscriptions or access to paid online resources.

Most importantly, you’ll forget everything about the practice of law after a while. But it’s good for people who want to chill in life, go on 2-3 holidays a year( not swanky European holidays because lulz… not paid enough), have side hustle and whatnot, concentrate on other stuff.

Not even tier 2 law firms go there. The placement is done by kids who have secured it themselves. You can go to their NIRF submitted documents and see the whole reality. The only thing working for them is huge campus. But even that is an hour away from the main city. The huge local reservation is the main problem. Those kids don't want it study only enjoy.

So , I am associated with a Sr Adv in one of the HCs . Before joining his chamber. I was already facing depression , burnout and 'mild' anxiety issues due to my self-chosen hellhole of UPSC preparation. After 2 attempts , I randomly joined my present Sr .

Point in case - due to sheer amount of work pressure (pendency and lack of quality juniors. As no pay = no quality juniors) , and utter randomness of litigation where anything can pop up from anywhere and demand late nights , the man is suffering from ADHD and does not even realize this. He Talks SOO much and makes soo many mistakes in drafts that it is shocking for me.

I inquired with older associates / junior if he has always been THIS talkative (really the man just never shuts up ! ) and the associates told me that yes , he has always been this talkative. Man is just not unable to sit still and calm her nerves down !

How does it affect me ? I was already suffering the dreaded trio of depression , anxiety and burnout with mild symptoms of ADHD . When I joined his chamber - I infected self-esteem issues (chambers can be equally , if not more toxic than law firms) due to constant gaslighting , non-mentoring and then expecting results , constant edgy competitiveness from associates , constant bootlicking . my 'mild' ADHD got 'worse' . I started to talk a lot too albeit on whatsapp , and social media . I started to post on instagram and linkedin more !

I could not hate myself more. Went cold turkey on social media. Started to meditate , deleted all past cheesy linkedin posts and comments and I can sit and concentrate now.

Lessons -
(1) most of these old boys of the Bar are insecure

(2) Most of these from Boomer Gen dont even realize how to manage emotions and don't even realize that their mental health is 'fuc-ed'

(3) They suffer from scarcity mindset

(4) Never join any person who is not emotionally / mentally stable especially if you yourself are struggling.

NLUJ through nri or NUALS, my plan is to do corporate for a few years then switch to litigation as I am interested in speaking and have won competitions and my father has his own office.will the nri fee be worth it for my plan ?( i can afford the fee but I don't want to spend if it won't be worth it)