OP should not discuss internal matters of the university like this. Also, the comment is not true and based on exaggeration and half-truths. The truth is that the SAC has been outstanding in its performance and tried its utmost to work responsible and for the betterment of the students and university as a whole. I admit that not everything is perfect but there were many factors beyond our control.

I am sorry to say this, but I feel that OP is disgruntled and is using LI to air personal grudges. I am also sorry to say that there is an element of politics in this.

Every word of this post is sadly true. Senior batches of the college, graduating from 2005 to 2012, worked hard and built an excellent reputation for the college. The VCs of those days (Menon, Chimni and MP Singh) were not great administrators, but they were respected scholars who set high academic standards, were financially honest and did not suck up to politicians. During the next decade, from 2012 to 2022, came Ishwar Bhat, Amit Talukdar and NKC, whose tenures coincided with the tenure of Mamata Banerjee as Chief Minister. Eminent people in the governing bodies were pushed out and replaced with semi-literate political lackeys. A lot of mediocre faculty were given important positions, including a rank plagiarist with no subject knowledge or competence, who played recorded Powerpoint lectures in class instead of giving a proper lecture and whose idea of a book review was to mention the price, number of pages and chapter headings of the book. In the initial part of this dark decade, the overall good quality of the students, and goodwill generated by the earlier batches, ensured that the university still did well, in terms of placements or scholarships abroad. The university went into an autopilot mode that kept it among the top NLUs and ensured a decent NIRF ranking, although the gap with NALSAR and NLUD widened. However, you can’t run in autopilot mode forever and cracks began to develop during the Covid pandemic. It also hurts that the current generation of students are VERY reckless, entitled and lazy, using woke excuses as a cop out. Thus, the third decade of NUJS is proving to be its worst and will doom the university forever.

Brother I don't know what the hell are u talking about, I am myself a first semester student, so I don't have any bias for NLUJAA but what the hell bruh? Drugs is one thing but I never saw any bullying or molesting here. Seniors are very helpful too, idk wth u r rambling about

I believe you are from a science or tech background. Pay is lesser than what a lawyer makes but it's decent and good option if you're from pure sciences like Msc. Chemistry etc. You might find it decent then. It starts from 40 50k in firms like k&s and lall and sethi.. your work would be technical only and related to patent prosecution. You need to be good at it for patent drafting and responding to.ipo objections..even for prior art searches. Personally i left it because i wasnt good at Chemistry and trust ne technical knowledge is required a lot in this field

Yes. If a partner doesn't want you there, there's nothing you can do despite being ok with all of it. PIP happens. Voluntarily resigning also happens. Tougher place to survive than we think. Sorry to burst your bubble but T1 college can also be asked to leave. It's entirely upto to your partner of he likes you or not. If he does, 7 khoon maaf.

Also, to inform you, even partners get asked to leave. Even rainmaking partners get treated badly and leave at times. Good luck.

Good riddance, the SAC had become a massive joke. At this point people were only joining it to skip lectures and source contraband. The SAC couldn't organise a tea party if they tried, they were never going to be able to pull of the Pentagram of yesteryears anyway. Blaming the Admin is good and fine except for the simple fact that Admin has always turned a blind eye to SAC's rampant misbehaviour and it's now biting them in the ass.

Tldr; parental pressure.

Background:

I did not want to get into engineering or medicine, went for Science stream in 12th, only to ensure that parents would not be offended that I chose some other stream, despite securing more than enough score for Science stream.

I come from a financially okay background. Despite my immense grief towards my parents for dumping their ill-informed choices onto me, I can NEVER deny that they worked really hard to give us a good life; I know I am hugely privileged when I say that I do not know what hunger looks like. I shall be ever grateful to them for that. Unfortunately, my parents are SUPER traditional and very conservative regarding marriage and family-roles. I stress on family, because other contemporaries belonging to similar circumstances and same community do not face this. The community I belong to is known to be though gradually, but progressive, especially in the metros.

Back to the main story:

Papa decided khud se that I shall NEVER be enough to become a CA. Reason: "Girls are not good at maths".

Mummy-Papa purane khayalaat waale, saying that "only" Bachelor/ traditional degree has no scope (in marriage market, since in our community, education is VERY highly valued.). They had decided that this female offspring of theirs' would not be allowed to pursue MBA, on account of the fEmAlE + maths combo. Note: I was decent, if not exceptional at Mathematics. [Also note: My maths skills would have been perfectly fine according to them, if I pursued engineering. Yep, despite engineering calling for seriously exceptional mathematical aptitude, way beyond my skills. The hypocrisy stumps me till date.]

They decided that I was to pursue a professional degree (read: better for the marriage market). I was TOLD to get myself admitted into some no-name law college of a local University, since there was no entrance exam in my State at that time for local Universities, and hence I would be admitted on the 10+2 score. I was straight out told that I would not get money for any other course. I had secured admission at a good college in a really good stream, but I was chaperoned to get it cancelled. Law degree from that local college was not very expensive. My 5 year course fees made up just a little over one-year course fees of their darling prince's engineering fees.

It was further decided by them, Papa in particular, that a law degree would ensure I would be able to look after household responsibilities post marriage, since I would have to work only for one-half each day, if of course, my future husband and his family would allow it. Yes, the considerations of a hypothetical husband and his hypothetical family were placed above the desires of a 17-year-old daughter.

I still have no clue where did they get this half-day waala concept from.

Bear in mind that we don't have any relative or acquaintance in this field.

I resisted the best I could. You cannot do much when somebody else has access to all the money, while you have access to none, and entirely lack the basic smartness to go about in the world. All in the name of "protectiveness" and "keeping the girl within her limits", lol. Honestly, I asked, what about the uber-competitive girls my age? Wouldn't they any day make a better match to a "high value groom" from our education oriented community? But hey, who am I to ask questions? I was told to my face that I was dumb and did not understand how the world works.

Thus I came to be sentenced to 5 years of law "school", specifically a no-name, no placement-game college. Not allowed to intern during college months because I would apparently fail otherwise.

I had always been a diligent and decent student, right from freaking KG. Despite my University's infamous paper assessment, I sailed through very comfortably, across all semesters. I am dead sure I'd have done that, even if I was allowed to take up more internships.

Having nowhere to go, no social currency, no way that any contact/ reference be provided by my folks, I surrendered myself to litigation. As a first-gen, everyone on this platform knows what my position might be. Choice toh hai nahi

Now I have a measly stipend, have become extremely anxious and paranoid, highly distrustful, and cynical. No money, no joy. No clients of my own. All that i do in courts is seeking adjournments. I have completed two years since enrollment. The senior sends me in when the court is definitely going to rip through the senior. Doesn't even let me tender a joint appearance in other matters. Parents refuse to acknowledge the unwavering sadness and disappointment I experience on a daily basis. Oh, BTW, now I occasionally am taunted as to how difficult it will be for them to get me married off, since I don't make money. Suddenly half-day concept is out of the window.

The only good that has come from those five years is that unwittingly, my parents ended up paying for something that has made me an "unabashed feminist". Why so? Well, at least I have been somewhat standing up for myself now. Straightway rejected the very prospect of a suitor from a random Taluka place, when they tried to set things up right during the 2020 Covid wave, when I was actually shit scared as to whether or not my last sem exams would be conducted.

I try to convince myself, hoping that they did not know better, or that they meant well. I like to believe that they do not know, or are due to some act of God, unable to comprehend how dejected I am in life. It is not easy though. Especially when they have lived in a Tier-1 metro for over three decades. When I see that my father is seen as an asset at the company where he has been employed at a very high position from almost the above said period. Their compulsion has not gotten them what they wanted, and has ensured that I shall never get what I want.

I understand that this sounds super whiny. There is significant diversion from the question asked in the thread. Probably mods might think this is irrelevant and not publish it. It was cathartic to type this out. For the first time ever, I have made actual use of the anonymity provided by any platform, for my own selfish purpose.

I don't know if it is of any use, but on whatever sliver of an okay day I have, if ever, I wonder what it would be like to pick up the pieces. Perhaps, I may survive here, even if thriving is not what I can comment upon right now.

Read this interview of Jai Dehadrai, where he says he is a non-nepo kid from a small town, but got a job at Karanjawala as Mr Karanjawala had a big heart. So it’s not just nepo kids who work there.

https://superlawyer.in/jai-dehadrai-legal-consultant-times-group-llm-upenn-work-usa-authoring-book/

If you spend a lot of time in this team, you develop:

- very bad work ethics - no other firm trusts a lawyer from this team

- a warped understanding of competition law - while the boss presents this understanding to the clients to milk te client, unsuspecting associates are not able to recognise it

- under confidence - associates aren't able to hold a phone conversation or even provide a basic opinion

MoU with SIAC signed, including for internships 👏👏👏👏

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/nlsiu-signs-mou-with-singapore-international-arbitration-centre

It is confirmed that the whole of the Core Committee of Students Activities Committee of GNLU has resigned from their posts. From what is heard, their decision steps for the inability of the administration to support them in ensuring smooth organisation of Pentagram fest. However, the view of the Administration has been tightened after the HC case and increased scrutiny of the Government. The misuse of funds by the SAC Students was rampant and with no checks in place. A perusal of the accounts would show high mismanagement on part of the administration while disbursing inflated and bogus bills and receipts submitted by the SAC committee.

It is no secret that most of their Core Committee members did not attend classes, a fact that anybody in GNLU can confirm. It is heard that there was complaint from a sitting Supreme Court justice specifically on this issue that led to tightened norms for attendance, leading to backlogs for most SAC Core members.

Now it is unclear whether Pentagram will take place or not, and it is unlikely that a solution will be found by the Administration to host Pentagram.

This remains a unique case of the whole core committee resigning in the history of GNLU. The pressure from the admin could be attributed to multiple reasons, including rising discontent among faculty for SAC floating basic attendance and other rules, cases of misappropriation of funds and ragging by SAC core members and not to forget serious allegations of ragging and supply of intoxicants by the SAC Convenor himself.

It is expected that the Admin takes a strict stand without causing jeopardy to the student community as a whole. Only time will tell...

Please google, or better, read this

https://indiacorplaw.in/2022/10/secondment-taxation-and-the-northern-operating-systems-case.html?amp=1

Karanjawala is a nepo haven. Please don't waste your efforts at Karanjawala. From interns to associates, yahan sab jugaad se hota hai. Most of the partners, although have a decent practise, are too hawabaaz for their own good. (Anyone in Karanjawala knows who these people are).

During interns orientation at the Delhi Office, the HR specified that no stipend is paid to interns who have secured internships through some reference. As far as I know, this is true for all offices and all teams. Yep, they do pay a decent stipend to interns who are have secured internship on merit.

Luthra does take in interns without reference. The standard for the same isn't high, but if you apply timely you'll likely get in. However, any person unless they're in their 3rd year or above won't get in without references.

I want to ask whether the reason for such high resignations and not firing is an informal threat of firing from the firms.

I have heard that in other companies and fields, employees are told to resign so that they can later say that they had quit for other reasons in their interviews, such as growth, etc.

Is it the same for law firms? which ones do so routinely ?

Asking this because I haven't heard of anyone, especially our alums (T1 NLU) getting fired but a lot of them have resigned "voluntarily". Let's say I am okay with all the shouting of my current partner and stripping me of my dignity, also okay with cutting my bonuses. Do they still go ahead and fire people if the associates are not resigning. Also, if I want to quit from my current firm, what would be the ideal time...since I am assuming that quitting too early (let's say within months )would raise eyebrows over my competency. Also when would be a good time to quit if I want to join in-house with experience? I know it might be a premature question but I want money (without bonus is also fine) after law school but at the same time I don't want a scar in my CV for future. I plan to go in-house in the long run but very few inhouse come for placements.

Well that’s quite detailed, I wanted to know a few things- 1. Given we are lawyers can we expect the postings to be only in metro cities if not can you give a few names maybe.

2. Say money is not a consideration and I’m looking at something just to keep me engaged and not seeking intellectual stimulation would you recommend the same? (Also could you maybe give more details about PSBs if you are aware of the same)

3. How to work towards making a shift to the private sector in case one is interested and what sort of companies would be open to hiring us?

Thank you

I attempted CLAT 2024 (first attempt) and secured a rank of AIR 47X. I have got HNLU on the first and second lists and hope to get GNLU by the fifth list or through vacancies. Being from Karnataka, I really wanted to get into NLS but couldn't by a small margin (thru state domicile). I have decided not to drop the year as that would be stupid. Instead, I decided I would go there and then retake CLAT in hopes of getting NLSIU. My question is, is it worth preparing for CLAT again and dropping a year to get into NLS from GNLU or is the difference not big enough for me to stick with GNLU for the full five years? Advice would be appreciated.
PS: This is my first time posting on LI so any general guidance would be appreciated.

do not. the fee is too high and the college is a money minting shit house which dosent care about the students, paying 60 lakhs+and there are lizards in food and food cooked using legs, the hostel rooms are good but this is a complete shit house except for a very few. people would be doing drugs etc, if you are into these i can't help it. if you don't get any other college and your father is a very rich guy and you would do an LLM after college consider it, otherwise just simply don't.

Absolutely right. Science stream will also allow you to switch a lot later on whenever you feel like. For example applying as a patent officer you need science, forensic is a huge thing for India in the coming decades and also data investigation, digital records. Going for a science stream will help you a lot .

One of the most active student initiatives at NUJS, which has brought back many industry personnel, academics and alumni to the university over the years, is reeling from yet another controversy. Instead of the students being responsible for the activities of the cell, the admin has during the last sem decided that faculty would be handling things. Since then, the number of courses has dwindled. Students are of course putting the blame entirely on faculty and admin and busy making memes. What they are failing to do is to hold themselves accountable for the entire fiasco. In the last 3 years, the Cell has seen many controversies involving the students in charge as well as those taking part in credit courses. From illegal grade manipulation, giving friends a chance to take popular courses over other applicants, allegations of repeated misrepresentation and lies to external faculty and admin, forcing guest faculty to inflate grades to the length of giving 90-95/100, rampant plagiarism, cheating in assignments and exams, doctoring of results, hooking up in classrooms reserved for Cell activities, and even misappropriation of faculty honorarium, the students have done it all. There have been a bunch of complaints received from faculty and alum on all these counts, other than the regular ones about students not attending the classes after registering, non-submission of assignments, harassing the faculty for internships and research positions etc. It was only a time before even the notoriously lackadaisical NUJS admin was forced to take any action. It is a sad day when the existing students fail to be responsible with the power that they had got courtesy the hard work of seniors and alum over the years. Even now, much of the delay for new courses is because no existing student can be trusted by their own teachers anymore to do the grunt work without working a side angle for their own agenda. The credit courses used to be for helping the students interact with the industry better and reconnect them with alum and learn practical side of the law within a classroom setting. Now those are just subjects where one can earn easy grades without turning up and then swap it for electives to increase CGPA. The few visiting faculty who put in any effort to enforce standards are either given bad feedback, or met with indifference when it comes to response. It does not help that the admin have got no clue about how to maintain academic standards at all. From a 'student-run university' that had achieved great things because students and admin used to cooperate with each other and the students knew how to handle responsibilities in a mature manner, to a cesspool where less than 10% students are interested to learn anything at all, 90% faculty are indifferent and lazy and the admin has got completely wrong set of priorities. No wonder why NUJS has got a plummeting perception everywhere.

I am a 2023 law graduate from a good Mumbai college. I have been working in a small boutique firm in real estate and most of my work has just been title due diligence earning very little. I was promised a pay raise that I did not get which has destroyed all my motivation. There is a lot of politics as well that is affecting my mental health. I have decided it's time to switch but I am a first gen lawyer and have zero connections. I would like to switch to a law firm preferably. And I really don't know how to go about it because I see zero vacancies. And I have just 8 months of experience. I really don't know where and how to apply. Any guidance would be appreciated.

There are many people in business of selling offline course degrees. They are far better than online courses. I have seen people buying even LLB degrees from them & getting enrolled in bar with due verification. Of course such people have different set of law practice (or outlaw practice) but on paper they too are LLB & advocates & people actually find such degrees more useful than online courses.

What would your advice be for someone who purely looks at the job to earn a basic stable income, and use the work life balance to maybe trying a side hustle to do something of his/ her own?

Trying a side hustle is almost impossible in a top law firm, and yes, while the pay may be great, the work is often mundane and mind numbing in certain practice areas.

I did nalsar diploma in contract law .. itna koi khaas fayeda nhi hua ..

I mean no harm in having it but aisa nhi hai ki if u have it toh itna kuch ho jayega ..

It just helps fill some decent quality stuff in the certifications section of cv .. better to have something than nothing

2. MBA is the only line of work that provides the same amount of money to cover their luxurious life that the army provides.

3. They already have a graduate degree and many do a PG from JNU, DU and then teach social science subjects at IMA, NDA, RIMC, LBSNAA etc.

6. All union and state service exams give you a 5 year exemption, therefore even if you're from a general category, you have the chance. One of my batchmates went on to become an IRS officer.

7. Go abroad, to work, to get job or if you're a Punjabi easily go to Canada to relatives plac, like another friend.

9. Coaching for SSB is a thriving business. Majority of retired folks easily earn lakhs.