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Many may not like this statement but the kind effort required to go through the engineering course cannot be compared with law.
If you want to get an engineering job which pays equivalent to Tier 1 firms then your best shot is to graduate from the IITs, IIITs, NIITs. You cannot compare the difficulty level of these entrance exams with CLAT. I have given JEE, AIEEE, GATE, CLAT and LSAT. Trust me.
All jobs are taxed under the salary head, so the CTC and the in Hand amount would be very different.
If you are getting a good NLU, then I would suggest going for law.
If you want to go for UPSC, law is also a good optional subject. Much easier compared to the engineering subjects.
This is just a broad overview. Let me know if you have any specific queries.
(Admin, in light of some really stupid stuff that is posted on the site on a daily basis, please let us know why is this not being posted? It is for the community to accept, not accept or critique a post and not by you. We should celebrate small law school victories, and this is no one less than CJI. You can remove the bracketed part of course.)
Recent graduate from CLC. Have a decent CV but am not getting firm offers as of now. Some chambers are coming my way but they aren't known as such though I am sure I will learn stuff there. Any advice seniors? How do law firms view judicial clerkships as an experience while recruiting?
Suno Draupadi Shastra Utha Lo by Pushyamitra
This poem written in 2012 after the Nirbhaya case
सुनो द्रोपदी शस्त्र उठालो, अब गोविंद ना आयेंगे
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छोडो मेहँदी खड्ग संभालो
खुद ही अपना चीर बचा लो
द्यूत बिछाये बैठे शकुनि,
मस्तक सब बिक जायेंगे
सुनो द्रोपदी शस्त्र उठालो, अब गोविंद ना आयेंगे |
कब तक आस लगाओगी तुम,
बिक़े हुए अखबारों से,
कैसी रक्षा मांग रही हो
दुशासन दरबारों से |
स्वयं जो लज्जा हीन पड़े हैं
वे क्या लाज बचायेंगे
सुनो द्रोपदी शस्त्र उठालो, अब गोविंद ना आयंगे |
कल तक केवल अँधा राजा,
अब गूंगा बहरा भी है
होठ सी दिए हैं जनता के,
कानों पर पहरा भी है |
तुम ही कहो ये अश्रु तुम्हारे,
किसको क्या समझायेंगे?
सुनो द्रोपदी शस्त्र उठालो, अब गोविंद ना आयंगे |
~ पुष्यमित्र उपाध्याय
The poem says, (translation)
"Leave the henna, hold your sword firmly,
Save your own honor.
Shakuni sits, spreading his deceitful game,
All heads will be put up for sale.
Listen, Draupadi, raise your weapon, for Govinda won't come now.
How long will you rely on false hopes,
From the corrupt newspapers?
What kind of protection are you seeking,
From the court of Dushasana?
Those who themselves lack shame,
How will they save your honor?
Listen, Draupadi, raise your weapon, for Govinda won't come now.
Until yesterday, only the blind king (Dhritarashtra) ruled,
Now even the deaf are in power.
The people have given their voice,
But they have fallen on deaf ears.
Who will understand your tears,
And whom will they explain to?
Listen, Draupadi, raise your weapon, for Govinda won't come now.
A judge refuses to frame an issue of sexual harassment on a woman's application..This us an actual Court of fer.Even presuming this order to be right but on a human level its just a slap in the face of a victim of sexual harassment.
RCUDA)No. 200/2017
Exh. O-
BEFORE SHRI. D. R. DANDE, PRESIDING OFFICER,
THIRD LABOUR COURT, MUMBAI.
REFERENCE (IDA) NO. 200/2017
CNR NO. MHLC01001032-2017
M/s. J. P. Morgan Services India
Private Limited. . First Party
V/s.
Smt. Praggna Pujara .. Second Party
In the matter of application for framing additional issues.
Coram : D. R. Dande, Presiding officer.
Appearances : Shri. Prashant Tawade, Representative for First
party.
: Second Party in person
ORDER BELOW EXH.U-55
(Passed on: 17/12/2022)
1) This is an application moved by workman for framing additional issues and for keeping matter at the stage of documents,so parties can admit or deny the documents filed or to be filed by each other.
2) Read the application. Perused say.
3) Heard both sides.
4) Gist of the application is that, despite of specificpleadings, Court has not framed proper issues. Therefore, for deciding controversy between the parties, it is necessary to frame additional issues. It is also the contention of the workman that,
Court after framing issues has directly posted the matter for evidence of second party. So opportunity of admission and denial
of the documents or stage for filing documents is dropped by the Court. Hence it is necessary to keep the matter for filing
documents.
Applicant second party has prayed for framing following additional issues.
(1) Whether 1st party proves it complied principles of natural justice and followed due processes and applicable laws on the
2™ party's complaints of harassment prior to termination?
(2) Whether 2” party female workman proves she was harassed, sexually and/or non sexually, by 1st party's officials/staff ?
Whether the 2nd party proves termination of 2nd party by the1st party was a retaliatory punitive victimization and unfair
labour practice against 2™ party for escalating and asserting rights of redressal and report/s in her complaints/ reporting of
harassments?
(3) Whether 1st party proves the termination order of 14/11/2016 to be termination simpliciter? Whether 1st party's proves
termination ground of loss of confidence to terminate 2nd party workman as legal, justified and valid grounds?
5) In support of her application, second party has relied on following authorities-
(i) J. K. Iron And Steel Co. Ltd. V/s. The Iron and Steel Mazdoor
Union, (SC), 1956 AIR 231
Gi) Shankar Bhimrao Kadam and Ors V/s. Tata Motors Limited
(Bom.H.C) in Writ Petition no. 5566/2017 , decided on 26" February
2022.
ii) Shri. Sunil Pralhad Khomane & Ors V/s. M/s. Bajaj Auto Ltd, Akurdi, Pune (Bom. H.C) in Writ Petition no. 4502 of 2006, decided
on 1* February.
(iv) Maddala Sai Lakshmi Vs. Medisetti Lakshmi Harass ma (Andhra Pradesh H. C) decided on 2°? March-2006- 2006 (4) ALD
46, 2006(3) ALT 708-11
(v) Makhan Lal Bangal V/s. Manas Bhunia and Ors (S.C) , decided on 3“ January 2001- 2001 (1) SCR 17.
(vi) The Agricultural Produce Marketing Committee Banglore V/s. The State of Karnataka & Ors (S.C), Civil Appeal No. 1345-
1346 of 2022 decided on 22/03/2022.
I have carefully gone through the above authorities.
6) Application is opposed by the first party by filing detail say at Exh. C-33. Gist of the say filed by the first party is that,
Court has considered the pleadings of the parties and framed proper issues. Therefore, there is no need to frame additional
issues. Present application by the second party is entirely baseless and an attempt to delay a hearing on the merits of the matter. The second party by the said application is merely seeking to abuse the due process of this Court and is attempting to have this Court frame further/additional issues for which the second party has filed
no pleadings in support. Therefore framing of any of the issues as sought by the second party would amount an overreach, inasmuch
as it is fundamental principle of law that a court my only decide the issues of law and fact as pleaded by the parties before it. The
present application ought to therefore be dismissed at the verythreshold itself.
7) Before touching to the merits of the case, I would like to mention here scope and jurisdiction of Labour Court while
deciding Reference made by Government. In that regard, two authorities of Hon'ble Supreme Court are important.
One of the questions which fell for consideration for Hon'ble Supreme Court in Delhi Cloth and General Mills Co. Ltd. vs. The
Workmen and Others (AIR 1967 SC 469) was that what are the powers of the appropriate Government while making a reference
and the scope and jurisdiction of Industrial Tribunal under Sections 10 of the Act. Hon'ble Justice Mitter, speaking for the Bench, held
as under:
"(8) Under_S. 10(1)(d) of the Act, it is open to the appropriate Government when it is of opinion that any industrial dispute exists to
make an order in writing referring "the dispute or any matter appearing to be connected with, or relevant to the dispute,.....to a Tribunal for adjudication” under_s. 10(4) "where in an order referring an industrial
dispute to a Labour Court, Tribunal or National Tribunal under this section or in a subsequent order, the appropriate Government has specified the points of dispute for adjudication, the Labour Court or the Tribunal or the National Tribunal, as the case may be, shall confine its
adjudication to those points and matters incidental thereto.”
(9) From the above it therefore appears that while it is open to the appropriate Government to refer the dispute or any matter appearing to be connected therewith for adjudication, the Tribunal must confine its
adjudication to the points of dispute referred and matters incidental thereto. In other words, the Tribunal is not free to enlarge the scope of the dispute referred to it but must confine its attention to the points specifically mentioned and anything which is incidental thereto. The word ‘incidental’ means according to Webster's New World Dictionary : “happening or likely to happen as a result of or in connection with
something more important; being an incident; casual; hence, secondary or minor, but usually associated :
"Something incidental to a dispute” must therefore mean something happening as a result of or in connection with the dispute or associated with the dispute. The dispute is the fundamental thing while something
incidental thereto is an adjunct to it. Something incidental, therefore,
cannot cut at the root of the main thing to which it is an adjunct to Hon'ble Supreme Court in the case of Oshiar Prasad & Ors
vs Emp. In Rel.To Mgt.of S.C.Washery ... on 2 February, 2015
(Bench: Hon'ble Justice Fakkir Mohamed Kalifulla and Hon'ble Justice Abhay Manohar Sapre) has relied on the case of Delhi Cloth &
General Mill (cited supra) and observed in paragraph no. 25 as
follows-
“25. It is thus clear that the appropriate Government is empowered
to make a reference under Section 10 of the Act only when's "Industrial dispute exists” or "is apprehended between the parties”.
Similarly, it is also clear that the Tribunal while answering the reference has to confine its inquiry to the question(s) referred and
has no jurisdiction to travel beyond the question(s) or/and the terms of the reference while answering the reference. A fortiori, no inquiry can be made on those questions, which are not specifically referred to
the Tribunal while answering the reference.”
So on perusal of above two authorities, it is ample clear that Labour Court has to confine its enquiry to the question referred
and _ has no jurisdiction to travel beyond the question referred to it.
Let me now re-produce the question referred by Government to this Court for adjudication.
8) Let me now re-produce the issues framed by me.
1) Whether the second party proves that, she falls under the
category of workman as defined under section 2(s) of the I. D.
Act, 1947?
2) Whether the second party proves that, dispute between her
and first party is Industrial Dispute within a meaning of
Section 2(k) of the I. D. Act?
3) Whether the second party proves that, her services were
illegally terminated by the first party w.e.f. 14/11/2016?
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4) Whether the reference is maintainable?
5) Whether the second party is entitled for reinstatement in her
original post with continuity of services, full back wages
w.e.f. 14/11/2016 alongwith other consequential benefits ?
6) What award?
This Court keeping in the mind settled legal position regarding scope of the enquiry framed above issues.
9) So far as proposed additional issue no. 1 is concerned, second party workman is praying for framing issue that whether
first party has followed the laws applicable to second party in the complaint of harassment prior to termination?
In my view this issue is beyond the scope of the enquiry pending before this Court. Whether first party has followed
applicable laws is not a question before this Court. So, there is no need to frame additional issue as prayed by the second party.
10) So far as proposed second issue is concerned, it is pertinent to note that workman has to prove before the Court that,
she is illegally terminated from service without following due procedure of law. In that regard, Court has framed issue no. 3.
Scope of the issue no. 3 is very wide. It covers all alleged harassment at the hands of first party and its officers. She has to
prove that, she is victimized and first party has adopted unfair labour practices. So proposed issue no. 2 is covered by issue no.3.Workman has to prove that she is illegally terminated from theservice,so issue no.3 is framed by this Court .
11) Turning towards the proposed third issue. During the enquiry, second party has to prove that her termination is illegal
and first party has to justify the action of termination. So proposed issue no. 3 is also covered by issue no.3 framed by this Court.
There is no need to frame additional issue no.3 as prayed by second party. Again I have to mention that scope of Issue no. 3 framed by this Court is very wide.
12) So far as question of posting matter for the stage of documents is concerned. Both the parties have already filed
number of documents on record. Workman has already filed document below list Exh. U-6, Exh.U-40, Exh.U-46, Exh.U-51 and
Exh. U-54. However, if one or more documents remained to be
filed, workman can file it/them with her affidavit of examination in chief and prior to facing further examination in chief, other party can admit or deny said documents and the documents already filed. Considering the fact that, matter is time bound by Hon'ble
Supreme Court, we have to expedite enquiry. Accordingly, enquiry is expedited. Liberty is granted to parties to file documents on next
date. In short, there is no merit in the application . Accordingly, it is liable to be rejected. Hence following order is passed.
ORDER
1) Application stands rejected.
Digitally signed by
DNYANESHWAR
RAMESHRAO DANDE
Date: 2022.12.21
11:30:53 +0530
Date- 17/12/2022 (D.R. Dande)
Presiding Officer
SSA Third Labour Court, Mumbai.
But Haan, ladki ki demand Hui ki bande ke paas atleast finance strong ho toh she's a gold digger. Anyways, majority people just earn average income. I wonder how many will earn 5-6cr more.
Firstly the amount of superiority complex you have is sad.
I wrote one advantage of being a local college student over elite nlu and privates colleges. And immidiately people lost shit and started telling local judicial system is bad because of us.
Local Judicial system is the backbone of justice system in india. You NLU sls jindal students work as lawyers in High court and corporate firms where you don't contribute anything.
Our students crack judicial services in higher number not because we are dumber. We are hardworking student comings from poorer families and doesn't have privlage of nlu rich students.
We work hard. Also our syllabus helps us. While you waste your time on moot court competitions, working, reading unnecessary legal books and researching on large theses, doing LLM in Europe. We study for Judiciary. Mugging up doesn't happen overnight. We study.
Tell your college to make your course simple like local law college? No. You won't because then you will loose privilage of campus placement and job opportunities.
So called extra curricular activities make your cv and push you to get job in a corporate company and corporate law firms.
Due to an ongoing hectic internship coupled with a major anxiety attack I fainted and ended up in the hospital.
My Uni senior who helped push my CV is pissed as I didn’t inform them nor did I pick up the HR calls.
Anybody else with similar experiences or debilitating anxiety?
Or am I the only sore loser? 🙁
Makes me wonder what the reason is. Is it the law school curriculum? Or is it because they are good readers as their profession requires them to read a lot?
With some experience, you can easily shift to a law firm in Bombay( even in-house) for even better pay than 80K a month at a boutique or a T1 firm.
It is easy to transition from a law firm to an in-house and not the other way round. This is because an in-house environment is much slower and laidback and less challenging than a law firm. So a law firm will greatly undervalue the time you have spent at a inhouse while an inhouse will take your law firm experience very positively.
No such controversy affects Vidhi and they are getting good govt projects. So is Vidhi the best now?
.Go google it lad
But, personally, it did lead to some follows from IMF economists (one being Saudi Govt's ex advisor from Poland) and a Harvard alum. Beyond that nothing. The IMF economist hates UN SDGs btw. :)
The whole point is, you need to make yourself heard. That is it. And people do not read The Leaflet or the long Hindu editorials. Your perspective clients read Finshots, ReadOn and Inshorts. It would be great, if one gets published in these respected blogs or Newspapers, but, if you are not allowed to publish, not allowed to enter, don't get dishearted and put out your views anyway.
Because you have already researched, created a framework, distilled information from various sources. So, why hide it? Click that post button and let the world see it.
In conclusion, I think we all are salesmen. We have to sell our ideas, our knowledge, our schools, our intelligence to force people to hear us. If you cannot sell yourself and publically acknowledge your shortcomings, the traditional route will continue putting in "intellect barricades."
Hoping to learn from your experiences
While I am more interested in understanding approach of bigger law firms like Sam, cam, khaitan, trilegal, azb, saraf, luthra etc, I will also appreciate if one could share experience of smaller firms
Prof Nagraj has left two NLUs midway amid a controversial tenure. He has converted TNNLU into a gloomy place. He operates like a black box. Nobody knows who is in real decision-making in the university. He is writing an obituary on freedom of speech on campus. He is just inculcating fear through his non-communication. If TNNLU is lucky, he will leave this place soon; otherwise, people must go.
The mad connections some select few have, and flaunt especially when they see an outsider like me, with a view to show that despite equal (in many cases) or better (in a few cases) calibre, I'll never be where they are, sucks buckets.
-A0 at DSK
I'm not attacking, just asking a genuine question. Did anyone reach out to you or did it help you network and connect with new people???
Guy here, but I have personally tried it out for multiple footwear for daily use. It works.
Not to forget to mention, in most standard Indian families, men and in laws cease to provide support to a woman, be it a mother, and subject her to several torture and the woman single handedly has to bear it all while performing her duties.
Inexpensive compared to the role of a mother which upon birth, will NEVER stop. Infant, toddler, child, teen, young adult, adult, middle age, older, etc. Role of a mother NEVER stops. So. Yeah.
if they deduce that you're just being a mooch who will stop trying to 'make enough' once you bag them, they will likely not marry you.
if you genuinely show them that you can be a support in ways other than monetary and aren't just looking to piggyback off of their money, they will marry you.
If you're not working, again, are you not gonna employ maids and cooks? Where's household chores in thus when mainly you've paid help to do largely everything.
No disrespect for your thoughts. Everyone is definitely entitled to their thoughts. The comment is to better understand the woman mindset, which you've been honest enough to share. Please don't consider this as trolling (IT'S NOT).
thank you in advance.