Avoid the 3 year course for gods sake, people getting the internships and assessments are usually through reference. Magic Circles don't recognize the us 3 year course for Indian students too and the knowledge built over the 3 year timeline is very restricted and half decent as compared to the 5 year students. On top of that, the course is new and in its "trial and error" phase. Would opt for the 3 year course at SLS, Pune due to the organized syllabus but the NLS tag is an offset for bragging rights to be very honest. Please make an informed choice for gods sake my friend, best of luck!

Not possible without contacts afaik. During our first day formalities, the HR was taking our info and alongside information like college, graduating year and team, there was a seperate column for reference.

Anyways, internship there isn't a very good experience. All the interns are kept in the basement like 200m away from the main office. Works occasionally comes over call, but everyone is just sitting idle 90% of the time.

Not to mention, the HR lady there has some serious issues

The answer is both yes and no.

You should join DSNLU if you are from Vizag or a nearby city and not getting any tier 1/2 law school.

In my view

Tier 1

NLSIU, Nalsar, Nujs, NLU Delhi, Jindal, NLU Jodhpur, NLIU Bhopal, GNLU.

Tier 2

GLC Mumbai, ILS Pune, RGNUL, HNLU, RMLNLU, NUALS, CNLU, Symbiosis, Pune,

To be fair to the LLBs, you will see some placement from the batch but that is mainly attributed to the candidate rather than the University or the course. For example, there are people who have completed CA, CS and have work experience, another person has a MBA from IIM-A and has work experience. These students will get placed, there are also people who were in civil services. However, the value addition of the LLB programme is much less than what it is for BALLB where students with no work experience, immature folks straight out of school get placed in the top firms

Has anyone attempted/succeeded in changing their career trajectory from Law to a completely different stream like finance, marketing, or anything other than law at the age of 25 to 30+? I don't see myself sticking around in this field (corp) for too long and am considering a change because I'm not happy/satisfied even working at a T1 because I feel like I'm not cut out for this. Not a day has gone by without me feeling anxious or unhappy and it's definitely taking a toll on me.

How much one can participate in the rat race (or the mad rush) also depends on how you were grown up as a child. It differs based on state, caste, and class.

I've had all the social and economic privileges but due to my family issues and the constant harassment I had to face as a child, I was restricted in making friends and going out. Now, instead of doing what people do in college, I am doing what people do in school - loving my friends, talking to people, focusing on academics, flirting with people, and just having fun.

An email by Avaantika Kakkar (CAM) to the entire Competition Team at the firm berating her juniors has gone viral - it's pathetic and toxic. Refuses to take accountability for deliverables sent out in her name. The buck stops with her. If the associates messed up, you don't name and shame them. Moreover, the entire tone reeks of toxicity. Pretty sure if she had herself been treated like this as a junior, she wouldn't have had the confidence to rise up the ranks in this profession and would have left the same.

Yes reject the internship in the online mode, it’s not the lockdown era now. Ask them (HR) for a proper internship at the law firm. An internship experience inside a law firm is >>>>> it’s online counterpart for both the quality of work allocated to an intern & the chance to convert it into an assessment internship or directly into a PPO.

i mean i have an entirely different outlook. first, theres a large difference between who gets internships ( which are unpaid) and jobs- which are well paid. second, most people who are very ambitious arent aiming to be at some lala firm all their lives. Ambition is not an evil thing. A rising tide lifts all boats. And being ambitious doesnt mean you dont have friends or a social life. The most ambitious person in my batch was a rhodes scholar- she had a steady boyfriend for four years, a large number of friends, she was at the top of the class in grades, she did internships at the best places and worked very hard, and she won prestigious mooting and debating competitions and published good papers that still get cited. She also was hilarious and was the life of the party and made friends in law school and went on trips and all of it . and she made friends after law school. by the time she was graduating she had an offer with a foreign firm, an offer with a top indian firm, and a rhodes scholarship. it was a joy to see someone work that hard and be that successful.

you dont stop making friends after law school thats just a myth that people who dont put effort in propogate. I made my best friends after law school.

all of this is some rationalising for not being your best self everyday. Youre university students- not children. And clat isnt some killer JEE type exam- you didnt really have to work that hard to crack it, just be lucky. And now you have all this opportunity before you and youre gonna leave that on the table to hang out with friends? cause you cant do both for some reason?

Could someone please enlighten me regarding the internship application procedure @ Vaish? I have been trying to apply for as long as I can remember but never got any replies from them. Their HR probably doesn't check applications received on the email. What is the alternative way to apply then

Yes I mean its the same thing from the other end right- the benefactor only keeps them around cause theyll jump when she tells them to and dance to her tunes and never brooke any disagreement or ask for any accountability from the person who is giving them their careers.

Honestly, why do we think they're good? Have they done anything past graduating from llb cohort that would put them in the top doctoral level legal scholars in the country? no? do they branch out and say terribly new and exciting things in their scholarship? also no? I dont bear these guys any ill will- but its clear theyve taken the easy route instead of actually trying to learn new things and pushing themselves.

Dear Mods,

It's extremely disappointing the way most of the moderation is taking place these days. On average, a comment is taking up to 15+ hours to be moderated. Genuine stuff is getting marked trollish. Comments such as Bump are being approved but not other comments that would be of use to those seeking to know certain stuff. After taking so many new mods, one would expect the moderation speed to be faster but it has been rather slowed down very significantly. People are gonna stop flocking to this site if this continues. Please look into it and ensure faster moderation.

Amish is hardly self-made and the extent of censoring that the original post has undergone from the time of its publication demonstrates the extent of disproportionate influence that his lobby enjoys. When I see him on the telly, I'm reminded of the ambulance chasers who promise great settlements on American TV. Better call Amish!

Other collaborators, that have already been allied with their benefactor at the university? what have they done to build something by themselves?

You do absolutely prove your merit and credibility by entering the marketplace and competing and winning in places where there are no benefactors or connections giving you a leg up. Thats the reason academic inbreeding is frowned upon- because its antimeritocratic.

So according to you- all someone has to do to claim lack of privilege is to say they dont have privilege? and no one can question them? all the Brahmins in the country would tell you they dont have privilege- do you believe them? is this some sort of religion for you? these individuals are known well enough for many of us. we've known them since they set foot in nalsar- they dont lack in any kind of privilege.

Like most people, I’m losing money because of the volatility on the markets right now. I came across an Insta post by that Sonia Shenoy lady (CNBC) pitching for arbitrage finds. Just wondering if it’s worth it, or if this girl is just another shady influencer? Sorry to sound harsh, but it’s hard to trust influencers nowadays.

In order for good teachers to keep teaching well, the students have to put in basic efforts. That no longer happens at NUJS. The VC says yes to every student demand that is about reducing quality or academic rigour. He does not agree to any of the real demands about improving quality or infra of course. As for research quality, that's not really changed. Those who used to do good research still do so. Those who didn't, still do not. The difference is that new good faculty aren't being attracted in that number under NKC or PIB, unlike under MPS. So the number of people like that is reducing. Another change is that previously many good students were genuinely interested in helping faculty do good research. These days most students act in a completely irresponsible and entitled manner. Hence they can't be relied upon for doing real work that needs any effort, even by the handful of good faculty still left.

So I'm on the other side of this situation, a lawyer but with a work life balance. Married, so in love and everything was perfect but my husband is working with a law firm and we are relationship is suffering because of the law firm life (including the luxuries, the crazy-ass parties, alnighters, surrounded by ladies giving you more than required attention and other things etc.)..everything in the relationship seems less important to him now than his law firm life, so much so that he is ready to give up on his family for the law firm life. I know where he comes from and what his aim is in life in terms of the luxuries...but am I supposed to pay the price for what he suddenly thought was more important to him than his family? Take your call, you cannot get everything in life...if you refrain your wife from starting a family because of your over ambitious self...you're being really unfair to her! Nobody, but you need to set the balance if you want things to work out for you...! She does not deserve this.

Students get their quality and rigour commented upon because they lack in both. You can do the same with regard to the faculty who are the same. However, you are not qualified to talk about their qualifications at present. You can make memes and post anon comments. Which you do anyway.

The assault that was never proven, never taken to authorities, has not actually been communicated to anyone other than via one anonymous Instagram post? It's Rohin's responsibility to act against made up problems on the internet? You guys will find one outspoken queer voice and pile on about them not burdening the world's problems. Despicable. RB has done a LOT for the queer community both inside and out of GNLU. The entire GNLU controversy is a sham and everyone knows and acknowledges it.

Those who find no meaning in life distract themselves with pleasure. Victor Frankl. I don't support the T1 culture but just enjoying your life in all the things you mentioned above can lead to a slippery slope of laxity. No amount of "moments" or pleasure can satisfy you. You will be empty just like the folks in T1. Instead build up on yourself. Increase your skillset. Yes, there are folks from non t1 nlu but look at number and proportionality. As someone who took the other path you mentioned for brief period. I now regret it. Only because I didn't care about my professional life. College time is not just about fun bro. Its time to be responsible as well.

By offering this 3-year LLB option, NLS has demonstrated a lack of ingenuity - to say the least. The original intent of setting up NLS was to offer LLB after Class 12. That was innovative, and now NLS goes to the model that has been already in practice for several decades in India. This is a regressive step for NLS.

Another case for example was just across the town in IISc. 25 years back it started offering Integrated ME (4-year duration) open for BSc students. This program could never garner the respect that the regular ME (that comes after BE/BTech) that IISc offers. The quality of students never matched up. Eventually, after a few years, IISc discontinued the Integrated ME program. Remember, we are talking of IISc - a much better endowed and much higher in global rankings.

It is well known that the 3-year LLB option is the brainchild of the current VC, so the admin will do everything to make it successful (or at least projecting that way). Once he leaves, it will be orphaned. Mark my words.

They are looking out now from what I hear. There’s a vacancy message going around on WhatsApp groups. A decent cv with atleast some transaction experience should get you to interviews atleast. No use applying to cam as a fresher. Better off trying for PPOs or college placements

In the first link since the start of 4th minute, you see how Salve makes increasing illogical and agenda based arguments. Any lawyer or even a law student can see through such stupid arguments.

I'm appalled that this is considered as "great and valid defences".

Salve embarrassed himself in the SC during EB hearings he did the same in this interview.

Modi bashing is quite a done thing on these so called independent media outlets (like The Wire) and some of them are willing to do it even at the cost of being wrong; the recent Poonam Agarwal debacle being a case in point. The Wire was rather quick to platform her "theory" to supposedly debunk the credibility of the electoral bond purchaser list released by the SBI. Her economically framed apology ("my bad") on Twitter/ X is only being carried by what many today call the godi media. As someone who identifies as moderate and apolitical, I have very little choice but to consume news from media outlets which are both adverse and friendly towards Modi. Kapil Sibal has an oratory that has long proven effective before an Indian audience. It is for this reason that he is a sought after lawyer. That aside, I wish he respected the intelligence of his listeners, and conducted more substantive discussions. Conducting a liberals baithak, rife with low hanging conjectures to trash the present dispensation won't cut it for a voter like me. I do however appreciate the nudge that he gave to Shashi in his previous Dil Se interview. Some of his suggestions were rather sensible - like having a common spokesperson for the Indi Alliance or a Manifesto for their governance plan.

Why marked trollish?

Nothing wrong

all thoes self intellectuals dont understand that when we also start importing muslims who themself are radical and persecute Buddhists Christians Hindus in Islamic countries will create communal violence in this country. Just see the recent cases in last few years.

I have already seen them asking for muslim lgbtqs in caa
Like Wtf
Muslims cannot be LGBTQ and LGBTQ cannot be muslims

Hey LI Folk, how long does it take for the HR at Trilegal Mumbai to get back to a candidate, after their final round of interview has been done, to let them know whether they have been selected for the position or not.

The interview went well I would say. Answered almost all the technical questions and didnt give wrong answers (if i didnt know any questions which were like 2 or 3 of them out of maybe 10-12, I said that Im not able to recall at the moment).

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks :)

TBH, it's high time that students protested against the appointment of this VC. The main problem isn't the faculty that has left but even the faculty that has joined recently. SKDR (also infamous for the protest against him in NLUO for his "alleged corruption") has brought in several teachers from NLU Odisha, most of which are painfully incompetent. These teachers have solely and on the basis of their connections secured a spot through what was going to be a "transparent" faculty recruitment process. And most of these teachers cant teach. And while Siddharth Sir might have left due to internal power struggles, it is no joke that better teachers are actually necessary.

It is high time that the VC resigns and/or the students protest against him. Bring someone of the statute of Faizan Mustafa or any alum of NALSAR as VC to actually build up the faculty recruitment. TBH, we as NALSAR students should wake up and actually organise a protest against the decline of the faculty that is teaching us. Students run any university and tbh that is even the spirit of NALSAR

How does one handle stress in law school in a meaningful manner? I understand that a healthy amount of it is required. However, at times you forget that the petty tests in college do not actually matter and you take them too seriously. I understand that this topic is cliche but no one really been able to provide a convincing answer save for self-help shenanigans.

There's no expectation from firms that you have to be rocking the absolute best clothes or the fanciest watches. But absolutely no one is going to take you seriously at a firm or for that matter let you in the door if you dress and act like a hippie. Ironed clothes, polished shoes, trimmed nails and smelling good is the absolute bare minimum.

Here to reassure you. I was the same in law school. Corporate jobs can't take the chill out of you, don't worry. For instance, you'll have to wear formals, but keep a beard and shave when it gets too much. till A3, you can coast through, I did. Cab/public transport, a upper mid range Android.

I think you'll have to start getting more "square" once you're SA and above.

The present 2nd Year Batch has around 60 people so keep this in mind while going through the answers:

1. Around 20-30

2. No

3. No

4. None, as of now.

5. Difficult to say at this point but should be around 5-10.

6. Firms do prefer students from the 5yr program rather than the 3yr programme. However, that is offset to some extent by admin support from NLSIU who are more accessible to 3year LLB students than the 5Year Programme.

7. Personally, I had done a BA degree before coming to NLS so yes, the employment prospects did increase because you have the option of going into Research Institutes, Litigation, or Judiciary if not corporate placement at the end of this course.

8. Focus on academics as much as possible and intern during the breaks. Don't waste your time over useless moots/ADRs etc.

Good Luck!

Please can you elaborate - I keep hearing this from people on this forum but no one specifically gives any reasons why it is toxic. Is there anyone good to work with in the team? Why is it toxic? The work they do is good from what I hear, the hours can be long - but is it just the hours that are expected or is there something more?

Just study. Do the reading. Go to class. Show consistency in efforts and it’ll pay off. It’s much easier to learn a subject over 3 months than to learn it all in 3 days before exam and you’ll retain more info and retain it for longer.

Unless you’re doing a handful of international moots- the rest is just fun.

Debates and other competitions - also just for fun. Unless you break at WUDC or something.Don’t make it your whole identity.

Go do good internships in years 1-3 I don’t mean name brand - I mean places where they’ll actually teach you stuff. Don’t coast on the brand. It ain’t all that. Learn stuff you’re interested in on your own.

As another associate, who shifted from Tier 1 to a boutique firm and now enjoys his job (relatively more)

If you’re in a Tier 1, especially in a big team, you are a cog in the wheel, and your role becomes much more defined and it is hard to break out, but in a smaller set up, your involvement is more hands on, so seniors explain the work properly, and you get to learn and understand the matter lot more.

Also, a checklist for other things that count towards feeling happy at work:

BEING PART OF A TEAM

In your team, are there 2-3 people your age whom you can talk to casually during office hours?

In your team, is there a senior at SA/ PA level whom you consider your mentor and he/she takes time to give you feedback/ lookout for you/ you can approach for feedback ?

In your team, are there too many locals? If yes, they often may not care about being friends with folks from outside the city as they already have their social circle from school (do you ever hang out with them on weekends? Not in office for work, dummy)

Do your seniors encourage you to share your thoughts/ have open lines of communication about the work you do - or are you mostly restricted towards doing templatised work?

WORKLOAD

Is there constant flow of work such that your seniors seem very busy and are unable to take time out to explain things properly even when delegating work to you? Are they on verge of burnout?

Do you have visibility about your own work -as to on which days you have to send out deliverables/ visibility about internal calls, and you are not constantly anxious that out of the blue a senior may staff you without giving any prior intimation or asking about your current workload?

Do you get time off on weekends (maybe not every weekend) such that you think you are able to have a decent balance and do the things you love outside work?

Is this your first job, and that’s why you can’t compare your experience of working in another firm where things may be a lot better in terms of workload delegation and management?

These are slightly finer issues which your upper management won’t face/ realise since there are not at the receiving end of their own work culture. What your upper management wants you to have a sense of ‘ownership’ when they talk about drive. But sometimes the upper management creates such a work culture that it will drive the sense of ownership out of even the most motivated folks. So don’t worry too much about it.

I have assumed that since you’re in Tier 1, your team does not suffer from the usual toxic work culture issues - which are more easily identifiable- like shouting in office, not being professional, not paying salary, not granting leaves etc.

Takeaway - There are better teams out there in the market. You don’t have to shift to a boutique firm to have a better working environment. But you will have to do a lot more research so that your next firm is definitely better than your current one. And here’s the bummer - people in toxic teams and good teams sometimes use the same words to describe their team culture, so please take reviews from trusted sources.

All the best!

Don't talk to the therapists that your firm hires. Their first loyalty will always be to he who pays her bills. In that, a lot that shouldn't be passed along can be passed along. When professional ethics in a long-standing profession like law has no meaning, phir personal counselling mein kahan hoga? We are not USA