Honestly, thank you for this. This was actually helpful. And sufficiently validating. I will have to work on building out my networks and yes, publishing and/or putting relevant content out.

Also, I had to ask about placements particularly for no other reason apart from the fact that while I do plan on going head-on into my LLM (wherever I end up going to) and doing these above things, I just want to have a decent enough backup through a placement via campus. In all honesty, anything that can net me a 50k in-hand monthly would be a good enough for me for the first half-year to an year after my LLM.

Thank you for the Trilegal bit too.

Cheers.

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I am a non-nlu 5th year (started) student, with only regular chamber litigation internships yet. My peers from nlus mostly are pursuing corp law internships.

I have very less idea of about what practical daily work is done in different corp jobs. I tried searching online, and even contacted some seniors, still my knowledge is practically very limited. (Most said it was just 1. research writing project/papers like in law school 2. Compiling some lists. 3. Due diligence ( idk what it practically means)

Before I apply to a particular team for internship, i wish to understand which one might best suit me.

TLDR: Can someone please explain the work done by different jobs in different teams ?/ or point me to some sources.

PS: please forgive my naivety

It's quite simple actually. JSA has offered below market compensation for nearly 7-8 years now, had a record few years of revenues and also saw some big ticket exits (which released equity). Combine all of this and being an EP at JSA becomes a very lucrative position. Iqbal is a simple man who likes simple things (money).

The ones that get mentors like you are really lucky, over here I'm struggling to get a response from my mentor even after constantly asking for work and emailing other team members, they just don't reply. After texting my mentor on Microsoft teams, she replies so late and with unhelpful answers. I constantly show my enthusiasm to take up work but it just does not work. She had once given me work and had given me a deadline, I had prepared my work and submitted it before the deadline, and she didn't even bother to check it. Let alone calling for 15-20 minutes and explaining things, she doesn't even give clear instructions on text. I would be the luckiest person if she actually called me and gave me instructions, I would diligently take notes and try to better my work and over here I'm feeling lost and confused and hopeless as hell thinking im going wrong somewhere but there's no one to clarify. Really wish I got kind mentor like you who would make my internship worthwhile.

Lmao. If this is how you all think then it's definitely never making it to the top 10 band anyway, let alone the question of insecurity. The downvotes are there because it is literally to far fetched to think that CBN will twist the Central Government's arm just for getting 'Central Funding' for DSNLU. The support is not an unlimited pass for getting whatever he wants, it is a 'quid pro quo' which he will utilise mostly to get special status for the state or for getting good portfolios for his ministers at the cabinet level or maybe to clean up his dirt of the past or any other yada yada. The proposition of OP is a bit remote right now. Additionally, particularly for the law field he may get a bench of High Court established at Amravati, as was his plan to make Amravati 'Judicial Capital' of the state.

@NUJS SJA and student bodies of other NLUs: If you're reading this, then these are the sort of common issues plaguing the NLUs on which students across law schools should unite and display solidarity in combined protests.

There are good law schools (NLUs) in these states and BVP stands nowhere even close to them. There are also good private colleges like JGLS, SLS Noida, GGSIPU colleges in the north. But what makes BVP stand out is that literally anybody can get admission there unlike in the colleges I mentioned above. So people who are unable to secure seats in these good colleges run to take admission in BVP.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/induslaw-veteran-nikita-goyal-joins-sam-as-partner-in-general-corporate-practice

Source of my last comment, if this is the reason it was not published.

With Iqbal Khan moving to JSA, many on LI have been spelling this to be the end of SAM Mumbai. Whether or not that is the case, only time will tell.

What I wish to learn is how to be such rainmakers? Maybe not of this scale, but what are the essentials you keep in mind when you reach out to a potential client?

CBI comes under DoPt...and DoPT is under PMO along with DAE, DoS etc. Please don't make such silly mistakes. If "investigative agencies" matter to you and your friends, you should also be interested in Fin Min since ED comes under it along with DRI and investigative wings of IT, GST, Customs etc. Actually a part of NCB is also with Fin Min although MHA is trying very hard to take over fill control for "better coordination". That was the reason MHA had when it had DoJ under it, till that got transferred to Law Min but MHA still retains unofficial influence.

MHA of course has cadre control of IPS and therefore operational influence at CBI and IB. It also controls NIA.

MCA should matter as well since it has SFIO under it although its prowess is anybody's guess.

Why in all these years no govt (irrespective of political colour) has ever brought in a specific legislation for CBI, IB and RAW. Maybe the swirly alphabet soup of agencies is actually favourable to all.

Worst case scenario - he may not answer or in negative or rudely.

Give it a try, nothing wrong in asking it. Make sure you are calling him/her during no-office hours. At least he will remember you for your courage and confidence.

Don't over think, and don't go by the rules of society / corporates.

Massive massive news, this. Congratulations to Iqbal and the team - this could end up being a very smart move given the trajectory JSA seems to be on. Iqbal comes across as the sort of lawyer who likes taking on new challenges, seeing as he’d moved to SAM as well when the Mumbai office was just being set up (and thriving in them given how well he’s done). Big loss to SAM.

Interned there last year.

Stay away from the compliance team(global), high rate of attrtion and the work is very unorganised leading to a toxic work culture. The Team is really understaffed due to which theres lot of pending work. Just stay away from the compliance team(global at all costs), speaking from experience.

The rest of the teams are great to work with.

I am an alumnus from Nalsar in receipt of the following email that has been doing the rounds. The state of the university seems to be a matter of concern, as many different stakeholders have reported a similar state of affairs in private conversation. I would like to know if Rao as VC operated similarly at NLUD and elsewhere as well from their alumni. The email:

Addressing Critical Concerns Regarding NALSAR's Administration

1 message

'NalsarResilience' via StudentBody <studentbody@nalsar.ac.in> Sun, 9 Jun, 2024 at 7:31 pm

Reply to: NalsarResilience <nalsarresilience@proton.me>

To: studentbody@nalsar.ac.in <studentbody@nalsar.ac.in>, vc@nalsar.ac.in <vc@nalsar.ac.in>, registrar@nalsar.ac.in

<registrar@nalsar.ac.in>, nalsar-teachers-@googlegroups.com <nalsar-teachers-@googlegroups.com>

Prof. Rao,

We trust this email conveys the gravity of our concerns. Your administration has, regrettably, earned a reputation

for silence, lack of accountability, and inaction. We have refrained from writing this for a long time, hoping for

positive changes or decisions from your end. However, we now write with utter dismay over the sheer lack of

prudence from your side.

To the Vice-Chancellor and the administration at the helm: You have successfully steered the college towards

obscurity. We have had esteemed vice-chancellors, registrars, and some of the brightest scholars in the country,

building and maintaining the 'NALSAR' brand. Thank you for demonstrating that with an administration as

thoughtless as yours, even the NALSAR brand cannot retain, let alone attract, quality.

Currently, we have only four active professors. Among them, Prof. Rao and the Registrar do not teach a single

mandatory course. One is Prof. Balakista Reddy, who is on lien, leaving only Prof. Vasanthi actively teaching. We

have fewer than five associate professors who are overdue for promotions and are overworked. The recruitment

process conducted last year was deficient, as professors essential for mandatory courses were not recruited, and

student feedback was not considered.

Despite promises of faculty recruitment, you have failed seismically at retaining faculty and institute builders.

NALSAR has lost more than ten professors, including renowned ones, due to your aimless administration

.Whenever the topic of recruitment arises, you proudly declare the recruitment of two experienced Telugu

professors who served as vice-chancellors at other NLUs. They seem to treat NALSAR as their retirement home,

teaching fewer than ten hours per semester.

Regarding faculty allocation, why are professors specializing in criminal justice and international law teaching

family law? Professors specializing in constitutional law are teaching labor law, and those specializing in taxation

and international trade law are teaching evidence, contracts, and property law. Professors specializing in civil

procedure and legal methods are not allotted their subjects.

Why was Professor Ashwini not assigned to teach CPC? Both teachers who instructed the DPC Clinic have been

reassigned to teach CPC. Hasn't Professor Kannan expressed his displeasure at having to teach two mandatory

courses in one semester at his age? We do not have any details regarding those giving demo classes for

Constitutional Law tomorrow. Meanwhile, other national law schools have well-known professors who have been

poached from our college. Is there any rationale behind these allocations? Fourth and third years have been allotted

a single professor to teach subjects like ethics, evidence and constitutional law for batches exceeding 150 students.

Your tenure, now nearing its two-year mark, has little to show except for the valiant attempts to cover up public

humiliations such as workers' exploitation, the girls' protest incident, and the faculty gate. Your actions and

inactions have consistently exacerbated each situation. During the latter incident, you failed to meet with Prof.

Manohar, necessitating the proctorial board to take suo motu action. This clearly illustrates your inability to

effectively address either student concerns or faculty issues. Your regime is marked by the mistreatment of faculty,

students, and the workers who sustain this institution. Faculty are denied basic respect, agency, recognition, and

promotions, while student considerations, even pertinent ones, are swiftly dismissed. Workers and non-teaching

staff are denied basic human dignity. On how many accounts does this denote failure? Your actions and inactions

have only worsened each situation.

The Registrar excels in whataboutery, causing nothing but problems for the student body. Everything is blamed on

the student body. The Student Bar Council must beg for any action or permission, often rejected or denied without

rationale, except spite. Instead, we are subjected to sermons on student conduct and lack of achievements. Is the

Registrar so occupied with her sermons that she cannot teach a single mandatory course? How can anyone thrive in

an environment with zero institutional support? Every reimbursement is blocked, and even reasonable

expenditures to address student concerns, such as the monkey problem, are deflected. Student intake has increased, random courses like the IBL program are started without gauging campus space

organization, yet scholarship amounts steadily decrease every academic year. Where is this money being funneled

if we lack funds for scholarships? Is it being misappropriated or funding the IPR conference that happens every

week? The academic regulations stipulate an annual fee increase of ₹5,000, yet it was increased by ₹10,000 this year.

On what basis? The services remain haphazard and subpar.

Numerous safety concerns have surfaced, with no action from you. There are also several other opaque and

imprudent decisions you have made. Promises of hostel construction and a new campus are constantly thrown

around, but we see no progress. You have failed to procure land and refuse to address the space crunch our college

suffers from. You have been abysmal in securing anything from both the past and current governments. Your

greatest achievement is securing a meager ₹75 lakhs to open a research center, triumphantly publicized. How

does this fare against NLSIU, where Sudhir secured ₹45 crores and ₹12 crores from JSW Group and Luthra for

renaming two of their academic blocks?

We eagerly await your response (if any) to these pressing issues, which we doubt you will address. Your collective

indifference and apathy have only simmered discontent among us. If there is no change in your approach or if we

do not receive satisfactory responses to these issues, we will not hesitate to stage a protest when the first-year

admits and their parents, especially your favorites—the parents of foreign nationals—visit the campus on joining

day.

No Regards.

Can you show where IIULER has claimed to be a public university?

As a private university, they should not be allowed to use the term "India International" as that leads aspirants to think that it is a public university. But then, NLUs also should not be using "National" in their names given that they are all state universities. The use of "national" falsely leads aspirants to believe that NLUs are national universities (when they are not).

Here's the press release by the Ministry of Law and Justice clearly stating that all NLUs are state universities. https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1910438

Is it time to file a PIL to bar NLUs from using "national"?

Very Much, there are some concerns regarding functioning of examination and NEET as a concept is fucked up, but I've yet to see a proof of paper leak which happened before the exam started. At best the formula used for normalisation should be made public.

What I personally think is that paper was super easy which lead to inflation of marks.

Brother/ Sister, please don not worry. Such mistakes are bound to happen in your initial years. You seemed to be blessed with decent seniors all around, so make the most of it.

After profusely apologizing for your error, try to make sure that such a mistake is not repeated by analyzing what could have been done better from your end, and try to not repeat it. Easiest way to do this is to make a checklist of anything and everything that went wrong so that you can always come back to it and double check any draft being sent ahead, and confirm if such a mistake has been repeated or not.

I am a little busy to type a more detailed explanation, but I think this should suffice.

Tae care, and do not let this one instance bog you down :)

real, and even if they do not break - let me tell you. you will meet certain set of people online - offline on the day of counselling and orientation - their will be a set of friends you end up falling naturally with - but as college progresses, youwill choose friends for yourself, you will deter, differ and walk on your own path - groups merely do not mean having dinner together, or partying. step into this college before you actually make notions

insecurity, god i do not understand how you think this is insecurity. in my opinion, this is mere advice to just use their minds. feeling that you do not fit in is normal, but calling it out before you actually meet the people only creates a bubble that holds you back even after you step into college.

nluj touchwood, has one of the best senior - junior cultures. they are one of the best set of people.
being from batch of 28, i have seen my friends and i and others bond so well with seniors.
they are their for everystep - to guide you with how to tackle academics, moots, from helping you through panic attacks to making you feel like home, i have seen some of the seniors do their absoulte best. internship guidance, college guidance. i, let alone a lot of people would have not survived my first year without these seniors.

hi, nluj batch of '28 student here :) dw, the batch gc doesn't determine anything about how the people will turn out to be irl. when you come here you'll get to interact with many, many more people and eventually find those you resonate with. most of my friends right now never spoke in the gc before joining college, so of course i didn't know them, but trust me you'll be fine.

my point exactly, batch of 28 faced something similar, to clat being held 6 months ago, groups forming, and you knowing people before you actually step into college.

let me tell you, half the friend circles changed, notions changed, people i thought i would never vibe with are my best friends now, and people i totally vibed with are worlds apart.

I mean Cyril Shroff-AM Singhvi level, or even Akshay Jaitly-Dayan Krishnan level. But not salaried partner level. I'd like to know:

1. Where to they live? Super-luxury bungalows and flats in Bandra? DLF Camelias in Gurgaon?

2. What cars do they own? Just Mercs and Audis, or Lambos and Ferraris?

3. Where do they go for vacations? The Bahamas? Monte Carlo?

4. What clothes to they wear? Like suits exclusive tailored in London and NY? 2 crore Patek watches like Ambani Junior?

5. Where do they throw parties? Luxury hotls? Farmhouses?

6. Where do they hang out with friends generally? Golf clubs? Luxury hotels?

7. Who are their friends and who do they hang out with? Anand Mahindra? Nandan Nilekani? Shashi Tharoor? Mahua Moitra? Shah Rukh Khan?

I know I'll never lead such a life, but it's good to daydream!

This is an interesting legal question, I think. In terms of civil liability, can the Carbolic smoke ball case be applied here?

In terms of criminal liability, it could be difficult because if you want to invoke fraud, you have to prove that I lost some kind of money or material possessions. Asking for my vote in exchange of this doesn’t count. Also, liability for which ch individual?

Interested to know people’s thoughts on this.

What the querist has implied, but not articulated, is that, it hasnt been possible for him/her to get a tech law job with a good law firm. Which is why his/her focus is on placements.
My two cents:

1. Trilegal has the best techlaw practice in India. Write to their HR and ask them if they have ever hired Tech Law LLMs from anywhere. I think the answer will be no.

2. Nevertheless, do the LLM from the best place you can and while doing the LLM, network like crazy. You seem to have good language skills. Publish articles. Go wild on LinkedIn. You Will get a job.

I've just finished my B.A.LLB from a local private university's law college. I have worked as a non-resident research scholar with a reg-tech think tank for a few months whilst in my final year and have set my mind on pursuing a career in technology law. I have a general thesis on how I'd want to go about this but that's for the long term. My undergrad university isn't a particularly good one and I want to do my LLM with a specialisation in Tech Law and my current options are the following -

1. JGLS (received a call-letter)
2. SLS - Pune (received a call-letter)
3. HNLU Raipur - (applied for their vacant seats) [I have secured a low 2000s rank in my CLAT-PG and ]

Here's what I specifically am looking for from you people -

1. I have spent way too many hours on LI trying to get a sense of the above unis and there's a lot of information but not specifically for LLM.

2. I want to understand the extent and actual level of placements (for LLM) offered by the above unis.

3. I want to assure you that I understand that some of you might have a general broad opinion that none of these are particularly good, or, that JGLS is all marketing heavy, or, SLS has some other specific problem. After a few good hours going through all the threads and discussions about these unis here on LI, I understand the broad complaints and issues but that's not what I'm looking for.

I just want (read: requesting) a detailed, nuanced understanding of the placement scene for the LLM programmes irrespective of them potentially being minimal. If someone has information about even a couple of placements for LLM students from these unis, I'd love to know about it.

Or, at-least, what's the scope/stats for quality assessment-internships at these places.

4. If anyone's pursued an LLM in Tech/Cyber/IT/TMT Law from these unis or any other Indian law schools, I'd love to know your insights too. How was it overall? How were the placements? Where are you working at the moment and how are future prospects?

Thank You.

P.S - Please, for the love of god, kindly refrain from giving me options that aren't these three unis (or) to not do an LLM and intern/work instead etc

No, most people dont work till 9/9:30. It’s usually alot worse. Even those laving at 8-9 go home, have dinner etc and then put in another couple of hours.

Few years of T1 Delhi firm work ex here.

For corp, it’s about managing transactions and clients across timezones. For litigation, your work starts in late afternoon/ evening once you’re back from courts. And then it occasionally gets derailed due to cause list in the evening.

However, it’s not consistent throughout. Some days are good, some days are bad, some days are worse.

Bottom line - its all worth it.

As much as UPSC is not a metric to measure how good a medical school or an architecture school is it is not a metric to measure how good a law school is. It is a degree neutral exam that anyone can give. Law school much like med school has to be benchmarked against professional outcomes and the quality of professionals it generates.

As if BJP's poor selection of candidates, organizational deficiencies and resultant terrible results wasn't enough, now we have two useless folks as MoS from WB. Exactly what has Shantanu Thakur done in the S&P Ministry? Zilch. His standard remains poor.

And then Sukanta Majumdar. First, his enfant terrible cousin was airlifted from her constituency (due to patent unpopularity) and inexplicably still given the ticket from prestige seat of Kolkata South. Expectedly she lost. Now SM who is the State BJP Prez who has been giving poor results since he took over from controversial but doer Dilip Ghosh, is being rewarded with MoS?

Okay it can be interpreted as a shunt from WB so that organisational changes can happen. DG out. SM in Delhi. So SA rules? Or will it be rookie ABG? Why were everyone chatting up on his chances of getting a ministerial position that too Law.

Wasn't the hint from Chandu and worthies enough that ABG is pariah because he dared to upset the apple cart, which would have unravelled so many convergent interests of supposed rival parties and individuals.

Wait and watch. In the coming days, this former judge will go mental.

Hi LI community, I would like to seek some info regarding internship experience at Christopher & Lee Ong, Kualalumpur. I have received an offer for summer internship with them. Please do share any insights if anyone from India has interned there before, specifically info regarding visa and stipend. Thank you so much

Hello everyone,

I graduated from law school in 2023 and immediately joined a disputes team based in Delhi. I have been working straight for the past year without any leaves, except for some public holidays. Most weekends are working, with days often ending at midnight. Although my boss and team are non-toxic, this doesn't seem to balance out the lack of a life apart from work.

I can't remember the last time I had a comfortable dinner with my family, who also live in Delhi, or the last time I went out with my family/friends.

I feel burned out and terrified of what my life has become. While I come from a financially stable family, it's not enough for me to quit and sit idle while looking for another job.

Is this how life at a firm is for everyone? Is there something particularly wrong with the way I think?

I am out of answers.

As a law aspirant, you have to give 4k to appear for CLAT and for AILET as well. The fees is easily 2-2.5 LPA on an average (NLU/non-NLU).

For internships, you have to easily burn 5k-10k on accommodation, food, travel on a daily basis. (Note: Burnished Law Journal gives you internships if you pay for it. Interns giving money for internship? GENIUS!) Same goes for moots (forget international ones if your university has no reimbursement policy).

Commentaries/bare acts are also quite expensive. Same goes for legal databases such as Manupatra/SCC.

And then you see the disparities between first-gen and nepo kids who get internships and already have the option of working at their papa's firm. (Some even become a partner in one year! Can you imagine?)

As the number of students that appear for CLAT increase every year, aren't lawyers gonna be one of the most unemployed professionals?

Please don't give me an example of some lawyer from the 90s or early 2000's who made it. Tiered firms literally get hundreds of internship applications every month. The competition is cutthroat and yet career coaching centres tell BTech aspirants that corporate law is a good alternate career path. Is everyone going insane?

Curious to know this. Could be an indication of which lawyers/firms will be getting plum govt cases and deals in the coming years, plus wielding clout with courts and judges.

Also, I was wondering if Cyril got an invite but Shardul didn’t, following the Mahua Moitra controversy where Darshan Hiranandani tattled about them?

It could be coaching institutes. In our Tier 69 NLU, suddenly there were about 10-12 people from Rajasthan. This was pretty odd because normally very few people north of Tropic of Cancer chose this place to come.

It was because some coaching institute had told them that this college is good among low tier NLUs. So, many times, these coaching institutes have recommendations of their own. Similar is the case with some of the engineering colleges in TN.

Congratulations guys!!! 👏👏 Also, hope the law grad’s success inspires NLU grads to consider politics as a career option.

Twenty-five-year-old Priya Saroj won the election from the Machhlishahr Lok Sabha seat under the Samajwadi Party banner. After graduating from Delhi University in 2019, Priya Saroj received a law degree from Amity University, Noida in 2022. Her father Toofani Saroj was an MP from the Saidpur Lok Sabha (reserved) in 1999 and 2004. He contested the Machhlishahr Lok Sabha seat in 2009 on an SP ticket and won, but lost in 2019. Currently, Toofani Saroj is an MLA from Kerakat Reserved Assembly.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/diu/story/youngest-genz-mps-lok-sabha-shambhavi-choudhary-pushpendra-saroj-2550325-2024-06-07

I don't know why this topic ist brought up on LI frqeuntly but how are immigration law firm able to pay cray money to indian lawyers, hat too wfh. Recently, my friend got a job in a US fim which pays more than 1 L per month, without any exp. Is it really such as good career option for Indian Lawyers?

Im a second year law student, I wanna do litigation but hearing struggles of people here Im kinda scared now. Post law school my parents would provide financial assistance to me for max 5 years will that time be enough to reach a level of income at which ill be able to atleast sustain myself ?

The objective of this post is not to appeal to sympathy, but to be honest, I don't know why I'm here. Maybe I'm hoping for an angelic figure to arrive and help me, or maybe I just want my misery to be known.

I am a graduate of 2023, living in Bangalore, and life has not treated me so well. I have tried everything from 6 months of assessment internships to sending dms, cold emails to partners of corporate law firm. None were of any use whatsoever.

I am a competitive person. In my internships, I made sure I provided the most amount of value. However, the partner decided to cost-cut instead and used me as cheap labour. Fuck it, you give me a SaaS agreement or a Shareholders Agreement right now, I'll make a whole draft from scratch just to show you that I have genuine skills.

But everything feels so gloomy now. I feel like quitting and becoming a delivery guy instead. It'd atleast they'd pay double the amount