Hello, I've been browsing LI frequently for the past 2–3 years, and this is something I've had in the back of my mind for some time. I'm from a baby NLU and we've had our fair share of 'Legal Methods' in there. However, there's one problem I've encountered that revolves around publication, research, and writing.

I see IndCorpLaw, IRCCL, and other NLU blogs and journals and frequently try to see where I am going wrong. I have a few publications in journals (which are not very famous or esteemed), and I have a few drafts on which I am constantly working in my free time.

The problem in general is that all I am doing in the name of research is reiterate the same provisions, adding some judgements, past research papers, and some of my personal analysis before concluding that 3–4k word paper. This bothers me, as I'm not really adding anything new to the table. All I do is read and rephrase the descriptive information, add my interpretation, and get done with it.

Now I don't want to pursue academia, but I'm concerned that all I am doing in the name of research is just putting on a facade and not adding anything substantial. If anyone's had similar trouble, I'd like to know your experience and how you improved as a legal writer.

Which T1 NLU is this?

NLS: Has geysers in all hostels.

NALSAR: I am sure has better amenities and it would not be possible for you to come from a posh area to NALSAR every day.

NUJS: A 3bhk flat won't cost 45k in Kolkata.

Are you talking about NLUD?

Cent percent true. Also in tech you have a plethora of options; and that too well paying options. Contrast that with law, everyone competes for corp law jobs because that is the most well paying option. Lit is a long term thing and is not financially viable for most people. Why should people be made to compete for breadcrumbs because even in a law firm setup you make a fraction of what your partners make. Also, let's just let go of the myth that every hardworking or a meritorious student from a top law school makes it to the top in a corp setup. That is only true for the initial appointment, post that so called social skills, aka asskissing, taking credit for others work etc. helps one propel one's career to the top.

Even if you fall for the offer, they would resort to cheap tactics of not making bonus payouts and doling out insignificant increments. The management should come out of their ivory towers and seriously consider damage control measures before the situation goes out of hand. The Bangalore office cannot be allowed to become a fiefdom of a few.

Please don't take loan for 3 years LLB at NLUO. There is a 90% chance that you would graduate without a job, even if you get one that would pay you at max 30-40K in a tier 1 city. Paying EMIs would be really tough.

All those placements NLUO shows are from 5 year LLB. People are hostile towards the 3 year LLB.

Interesting, especially because this: https://www.legallyindia.com/lawfirms/gujarat-sez-hints-foreign-entities-can-open-branches-for-legal-work-jsa-did-not-renew-gift-office-during-covid-20210211-11927

Press release says:

Dentons Link Legal is set to strengthen its position as a leading player in the Indian legal market, by becoming the first global law firm to establish a presence in the key business district of Gujarat International Finance Tec-City (GIFT City) in Gandhinagar, Gujarat.

As part of the firm's continued focus on serving client needs, Dentons Link Legal has established an office location in Gujarat International Finance Tec-City (GIFT City). GIFT City is an emerging global financial and IT services hub - a first of its kind - in Gandhinagar, Gujarat. It is supported by state-of-the-art infrastructure, India and Gujarat State-government backing, and several key financial incentives for global firms.

“We have been engaging with clients in GIFT City for some time," said Atul Sharma, Executive Chairman of Dentons Link Legal. “Becoming the first global law firm to establish operations within GIFT City will unlock the reach and breadth of Dentons to meet global clients in this exciting business environment."

Dentons Link Legal has appointed two partners to lead and grow the GIFT City office. Manoj Panzade has extensive and broad experience with corporate entities, including litigation, regulation & compliance, intellectual property, and contracts & transactions. Madhur Verma has advised a wide variety of clients ranging from conglomerates, overseas banks, domestic banks, financial institutions, various funds and government entities specializing in project finance, structured finance and debt capital market transactions. Their combined legal acumen equips them to resolve the intricate and complex legal challenges faced by corporate entities.

“GIFT City offers a regulatory environment conducive to facilitating substantial global deals," said Anand Srivastava, Managing Partner, Dentons Link Legal. “Our firm is best placed to align with the complexities of these transactions due to our expertise both locally in India, and through our colleagues across more than 80 countries around the world."

A full service corporate and commercial law firm, Link Legal has flourished for over twenty years, with over 50 partners and 200 lawyers across multiple practice areas, and offices in New Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangalore, and Chennai. In 2023, Link Legal combined with Dentons, becoming the first global law firm to have a truly local presence in India.

Prof. G.S. Bajpai, VC, NLU Delhi on Regulatory Aspects of Forensic Sciences Sector in the High Power Expert Group Meeting at NFSU

https://nludelhi.ac.in/prof-dr-g-s-bajpai-vice-chancellor-nlu-delhi-addresses-the-participants-on-regulatory-aspects-of-forensic-sciences-sector-in-high-power-expert-group-meeting-at-national-forensic-science-universit/

This is the UK's FSRA 2021.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2021/14/contents

Transformers were invented in 2017, we’ve had tools that do the same thing for decades and the AI hypemen have been saying AI will wipe out jobs since the 80s.

ChatGPT have said GPT4o is a few weeks away from nearly a year now. Clowns are losing all their employees. It’s a clown fest just scamming investors similar to how big data scammed.

The tech industry runs from one revolutionary tech to another despite having no breakthroughs in the previous tech.

This comment is correct. I knew a genuinely smart blind guy at my law school who had to work his buts off because of our admin's completely bullshit attitudes to reasonable accommodation. This person did the same for CLAT and did well in that too, despite the CLAT authorities' (at the time) equally stupid attitude. Despite all these difficulties (in addition to being from an economically disadvantaged background), the guy did well. You, on the other hand, got in because of your mummy/daddy's ability to pay money. So stop using words like "discrimination" which you clearly don't understand, and cry harder.

Forget equity, the EPs at Bangalore did not take all associates to the firm's retreat abroad on the pretext that they haven't completed their probation. On the contrary,all associates from Delhi offices were taken, speaks volumes of their intellect and narrow mindedness. Time for the management committee to act and shunt them out

Can someone please suggest chambers / offices in litigation that have decent work hours. Where the Senior also has a life and doesn't work beyond a certain point in the evening? If that is even possible, idk

Alternatively, please suggest firms that respect work-life balance?

Author of the main comment here.

Please stop assuming stuff. It will help you in the field. To clear the air, I am not a student. Having attempted the course for getting an edge in the recruitment drive at my law school, I left it. after clearing the first stag, upon securing an offer. However, taking up the CS course did result in a good conversation starter in the interview.

i am going to take loan for 3 yaer llb at nluo , can you pls share what is the benifit of it in future for tax (how much tax can be saved) and if there is any cons of it . what things to be kept in mind while taking loan . i have no idea about these things it would be really helpfull if you can provide insights .

thanks.

ps: loan amount is less than 10 lakh .

Little known secret, almost everyone manages to have “time off” whether officially or unofficially, during slow phases or just asking for more flexibility with deadlines when possible so you can catch a break. People do travel on long weekends, attend weddings, family events but probably don’t wish to announce it to the team and make a big deal about it.

Often times the ones who are most vocal about availability and not taking breaks (PAs, Partners) will be juggling their breaks. Complete switch off is difficult unless you are on a long leave with transition cover or have let everyone know about your limited availability/ weekend travel plans.

In your early years, you can make it easier for yourself by:

- doing work as soon as it is assigned rather then when it’s due, if it’s assigned during reasonable hours

- work sincerely at least 6-7 hours a day, without long breaks, preferably in the morning because things tend to be less likely to be due EOD if they are assigned post 5 pm

- upward management is key, if your supervisor works 8 am - 5 pm you know when you will be expected to be available to discuss, if they work 3 pm - 11 pm it will be different

- with time you will be able to identify client, partner and supervisor patterns. I had a partner who expected acknowledgement emails and confirmation that someone is working on it ASAP, seniors who had no intention of reviewing a draft DD report till 2 weeks later but wanted you to finish the first cut overnight, clients who wanted a memo ASAP but would get around to it in 2-3 days and then keep changing the scope

People come on these platform to share their frustrations, not share how and when do they take their time off.

Now whosoever it is please stop spamming about NLU Nagpur every time on this thread.

Please stop it, better focus on writing on some imminent platform and applying for internships and raising the stature of the inst. rather than crying foul.

Prof vijju wont quit untill 2026.

Finances aint your problem, finding ppo/job would be your concern as you pass into 4th/5th.

just stop and show some maturity the administrative officers aint here if you really care then cold mail everyone in the General & Executive council and get things done rather than crying here.

A Bar Bench article could not help professors secured full salary what do you think legally India thread would resolve it .

If you join Nmims, You can intern in your final 3 years but do not expect help with placements, You get internship placements if you are in the top 20% or intern throughout. Choose it only if you want to work during your final 3 years. But if you want placements any of the other two are far better. Our college isnt great.

Ek second what? NLUs and T14 law schools have equal level of difficulty to get in? Bhai tu hein kya cheez? My alma mater was nujs and I found it extremely difficult to get accepted into any of those T-14 law schools for JD, precisely as to why I am doing a LLM. First of all, the number of applicants (even though as you mentioned it’s quite the same for T-14 and CLAT) cannot be a metric as the cut off is already pre-decided by the Ivies and that is a solid 173 for your LSAT resume. Clat determines cut-off as per each year’s performance. Scoring a 170 plus on lsat will suck the soul out of you. Plus for international applications, the acceptance rate is even lower cause brilliant candidates from China beat you by a mile. And even the acceptance rate combining all the continents is a mere 6 percent.

Secondly, 1 lakh aspirants are for UG and PG combined, around 60k-70k sit for clat. And getting into any random NLU is wayyyy easier when you compare it to a college via LSAT, say, UCLA? And the US law schools also warrant a good GPA. lol, casual equivalent of ‘NLUs in USA’. Jfyi, not a single Indian student is joining this year’s JD colonies. Getting into NLS is tough as hell (even I didn’t make it in my second attempt), but getting into HLS is a different ball game altogether, you have to be the goddess of god mode. Period.

Really? You want to fire all of us? Who's going to do our work then? Every single generation seems to think that the generations that come after them are bad, lazy, entitled, etc. Millennials were also called all of these things when they entered the workforce. I can't speak for my entire generation but I do feel judged by boomers at large, who like to complain about "kids these days". Millennials at the workplace don't come off like that, they're okay with us as long as we get the work done. I'm done trying to change boomer thinking, the best I can do now is hope that different generations will be amicable in the future. Would love to be on good terms with Gen Alpha and the future generations.

Toughest Law Exams by Success Rate

Delhi Judicial Services (Entry Level Judge and not DJ) - 70'000 aspirants for a mere 50 seats. Tougher for General Category students as 60% reservation applies.

Delhi Judicial Services is considered creme la creme of Indian Subordinate Judiciary. In most states Subordinate Judiciary is filled with cesspit people who are incompetent to practice. Delhi Judicial Officers are relatively better, are relatively more knowledgeable.

Delhi Subordinate Judiciary is attractive because of salary, only transfers within city, great infra (by Indian standards) and relative respect (compared to judicial officers in other states)

Delhi Judicial Services advertises 50 vacancies and doesn't fill the same every year. Which makes success rates even less.

Chance of Entry - 1/1400

CLAT India - 1 lakh aspirants for 3000 seats in National Law Universities across the country. Caste Reservations apply here. Different states have different local entrance exams for local government, private colleges.

Chance of success - 1/33

LSAT USA - 1 lakh aspirants. But LSAT conducts admission to all law schools in USA.

There are 40'000 seats which have to be filled through LSAT USA.

Success rate - 1/3 (almost)

Tough for Asians, Whites. Easier for Blacks, Latin Americans. Race based affirmative action.

TOP 14 law schools in USA (Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Northwestern etc) are tougher and require more scores to get in. T14 is the casual equivalent of NLU's in USA. Considered elite. NLU's and T14 Law Schools in USA have equal level of difficulty to get in.

T14 US law schools have 5000 seats.

Success rate - 1/20

Dont confuse LSAT USA with LSAT India. LSAT USA is a tough exam.

LSAT India is a joke of a test and doesn't have any value. Expenses resorts + law schools like JGLS, BITS, Alliance etc use it so they gain legitimacy (Our kids also wrote a tough exam and came here on merit, while reality is bank balance is the only score that matters.

Can I begin my career at one of the Big 4 firms (EY, PwC, KPMG, Deloitte) as a fresher instead of joining a law firm if I receive an offer from one of these companies? What are the salary expectations for a role at the Big 4 firms? Also, is it easy to transition to a law firm later on?

You will need it. Not only just in your MBA curriculum but also in your career ahead.

Most of the MBA's work on excel and you need to be good with numbers for that.

So dont be scared of Quant, you have a lot of time. Start working on your quant, eventually you will get. Practice practice practice

Remember there is no mugging up in Quant like in law. It has more do with application of your mind

Law is anti-meritocratic by nature. By conception it should be easily comprehendable and readily indulgeable by the average joe, but is the opposite. A couple of clever cunts have made out a whole field out of the subject capable of generating money. The reason these people gatekeep is because theres not much to gatekeep. Unlike, lets say tech, where all resources and short cuts are readily propagated by the community so that there is a level playing field which leads to the most talented and dedicated getting to the top, law perpetuates a cycle where only the biggest asskissers and conformers are provided access to the scant resources their predecessors had inherited from theirs. All of this 'special knowledge' these 'legal luminaries' possess can be easily learnt and applied by any guy in a week if only it was readily available. But if they let this "special knowledge" openly available how would they justify encashing 5L a month when they pay their junior 10k. Hence, they identify people similar to themselves, who are as shallow and as vicious, and after the ritual asslicking, let them in the in group. They hate meritocracy with a fervor because it threatens the very structure they have created. the biggest guy in the room, in law, would just be the guy who knows the right people, not who has true merit.

Completely agree OP. Choosing this career was the biggest brain fart of my entire fucking life.

Corporate culture especially is toxic as hell. Colleagues don't feel like humans but hardwired mindless dummies. Seniors are rude as fuck pure unethical. I dread waking up going to work, no life outside of it. I can't do this for the next 20-30 odd years without getting a few stents and aneursyms. Anything even remotely related to this profession. Litigation equally sucks balls with the shit pay and judiciary is just a rat race. It's like being gangbanged for poor choices. I wish I were good at math during school.. heck even extra curriculars.. to make a career in anything but this line of work.

Hello everyone I am a first year law student. We are going to have an internal mooting competition in our college where students will be selected for the mooting society in college. Can you please give me some tips on how to build a good moot proposition and this overall college

OP drop your email id or something. Let's create a discord/telegram group for support. I'm sure there are more people like us. We'll fight all our career/life insecurities together.

Or better yet, add me on discord: icecold_21

This goes for everyone who wants to reach out and help each other.

I suggest you try reading judgments everyday or 5-7 judgments on weekends together.

What you have to do while reading a judgment?

1) try to understand the issue

2) understand the matter between the party and the legal issue, if arising

3) the conclusion.

How will this help?

You'll get a hang of the legal language used in the judgments. At some times you won't understand what's happening in it, but even if it's a paragraph you understand, it's an achievement.

Leverage linkedin- lawyers nowadays post various cases and short summaries of important cases or analysis of law. They'll help you over time.

It'll take you over a year gradually to get a hang of it. It won't happen in a day.

You could also try improving your focus while doing a particular thing no matter how much time it takes. Try to set attainable goals for yourself.

Please visit a therapist/psychiatrist asap. The more you procrastinate on this it will get worse. If you live in Delhi visit safdarjung hospital psych ward. They don't charge any fee. Also start reading books the same way you read a newspaper/magazine. Don't pressurize yourself to remember facts or stuff. And keep the mental gymnastics running. Try crossword, sudoku, chess etc. To keep yourself sharp. Lastly get tested for vitamin D deficiency. Maybe it's just the diet. Incorporate dry fruits, leafy vegetables and cut down on sugar. Keep hanging in there bud!! You got this

Please allow me to rant here. Please don't read/comment, if you are overly in love with this profession. This profession attracts the worst form of human beings and dealing with them everyday is a mental health hazard. People work incredibly hard and get absolutely nothing in return. This is the only industry where I have seen people gatekeep everything. Almost everyone is jaded, bitter and hollow from within. What baffles me is the absolute lack of values. I hate that this profession glorifies arrogance and stepping over others as a virtue. More like it's a code for succeeding and honestly I don't blame people who resort to these things because it is a well tested formula for success. I sometimes feel I should have never been enticed by the allure of a tier 1 college brand. Not one day goes where I don't regret joining this career option. I wish I was less nice and empathetic, that way I would have adjusted well with the wider culture in this industry. I wish I spend less time sharpening my core legal skills and spend more time learning how to ingratiate seniors because I think that is the only thing that seems to get people ahead.

Rant over. Trolls stay away. ( Don't want to hear how I'm an entitled brat for not putting up with BS)

Hi there. I have had faced similar instances as well. I really recommend figuring out why is it happening. In my case, I had high expectations from myself, I allowed myself no room to make errors, had excessive people-pleasing tendencies and immense fear of not getting a job. All of these coupled impacted my mental health and relationships. Figuring out the root cause will help you improve your situation. Further, try to find reasons why you want to work there? If you have no answers, then step 2 can be figuring out an alternative. However, first and foremost, try to analyse what is triggering these emotions. You may or may not seek therapy based on your personal choice. All the very best. This will pass.

The California bar is not particularly difficult - the Bar determines the passage rate, it's not an objective standard. In addition, California is the largest state that allows graduates of unaccredited law schools sit for the bar, so they have a wider pool of academically substandard test takers. The exam is indeed challenging, but not really more so than any of the other major states.