Imagine yourself as a partner, you need to constantly pull in clients and maintain good relationships with existing clients, not everything is work-based, Most of the work you do as a lawyer for your client can be done by another lawyer, it is just that you have maintained a relationship with them (Good work being a non-negotiable part of it) Now things like giving internship to client's kid or someone's kid who can be a potential client or kids of their connections. All of this is just extending your network, Getting leverage over someone who can benefit you in the future. It does not stop with internships, A lot of PPOs, and DayZ Recruitments also happen as a favor to someone. Can you change it, No.

A sad, deeply angry response, which makes some valid points, but which is largely lacking in any understanding of the finer nuances of life and learning. If only I did not have a very bad earache that prevents me concentrating, I would, in my sympathy for you, actually engage with it.

A managing partner from a small firm responded to my email, and their contact number was included in the reply. I don't believe they have an HR department, so the managing partner likely handles the entire application and selection process. I sent a follow-up email regarding the interview but haven't received a response yet. Would it be appropriate to call the number provided in the email?

If BITS is offering a lower salary, then that strengthens the point that profs prioritise location quality, admin quality and student quality over money. When Rajkumar set up JGLS, he got good NLU alumni faculty because there was no alternative to JGLS, i.e. NLUs were filled with corrupt and mediocre VCs who deliberately shunted out alumni and others with good qualifications from teaching (case in point: Ishwar Bhat of NUJS). Sudhir has changed that culture by recruiting NLU alumni en masse, while BITS and NLU are doing the same: all 3 in better locations. If NALSAR and NLUD get good VCs and management, you will see JGLS faculty leave for NALSAR and NLUD as well.

Hardly 10-15 get placed in T1 firms and all of them are from 5 year batch those who have good amount of internship experience. 3 year course students rarely get placed in elite firms. College lacks in imparting quality education. Most of the professors are least caring and give no shit about providing mentorship to students. The college infrastructure is a major disappointment. GLC is only surviving on it's brand name and rich alumni base which i think will fade away with time if they don't make any efforts. The whole college reeks of piss.

The petitioner is advocate Sanjoy Das and advocate Agneesh Basu is the counsel. The PIL has been dismissed today because Sanjoy Das was fined earlier today for filing a frivolous PIL and banned from filing any further PILs. His earlier PIL wanted Justice Amrita Sinha (a judge cracking down on the TMC's corruption) to be restrained from hearing cases. The CJ said:

"We are not fools sitting here…we are not fools…never play with the court…if you want this (shows neck band) on your neck you better behave yourself,"

"You have to be dealt with very severely. This is not playground. We will not hear you,"

https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/calcutta-high-court/calcutta-high-court-dismisses-pil-challenging-bjps-12-hr-bandh-cites-order-in-previous-matter-indefinitely-debarring-litigant-from-filing-pils-267858

https://www.barandbench.com/news/rg-kar-protests-calcutta-high-court-rejects-pil-bjp-bengal-bandh

Agree 100%. One has to be really foolish to choose some obscure location like Sonepat (in Haryana) over Bangalore, Mumbai, Delhi, and even Chennai. Sonepat is Haryana, Sonepat is NOT Delhi. Haryana has a 'reputation' it cannot shake off. A lesser-known fact - if one has an HR-registered car in Bangalore, 99% of the time it will be checked by traffic police for thuggery and drunk driving. They pick on HR-registered vehicles for special treatment.

Thanks for this. However I am hooked on huge student debt and desperately need a job. I will be graduating in 2 years however. Could you please guide as to what teams are generally willing to hire by PPOs? It would be really helpful. I would certainly look for other careers after I have financial backing.

Your academic headbanging is of no use. But I don't expect ivory towers to engage with the practical realities of law. Even at NLS, I have found the practicing professors with real life work experience in courts and corporate firms to be more competent and superior in knowledge than these so called academic lawyers. The academic lawyers don't prepare students for the real world, they don't teach us the hard realities of this profession, not are they sympathetic to the voices and concerns of students from lower income groups who want to learn the ropes of hardcore law to ekk out a living. Academic lawyers speak from a place of privilege and can afford to revel in legal philosophy and humanities. The 'keyword' here is afford. But also not everyone find these courses interesting or even useful. I couldn't care less about the intersection of law with academic philosophy; it's of no consequence to real world law. Real world law requires hard skills. It requires clinical education, more space and time for internships. You can keep cheering on but I will mourn the loss of real life law and legal study. What good is a legal education if it cannot teach you the nuts and bolts of advocacy or if it cannot help you gain an in depth understanding of business side of law (as in the case of corporate law). I don't speak for the entire community at NLS but I do know for sure that a lot of us don't care about academic 'headbanging'. It's of no consequence to our careers. If only theory helped you succeed in this profession lol. I have a lot of learning to do? Yes I agree, but do I have to learn obtuse, redundant theory in the process? I don't think so.

Yes those count towards you getting your BA degree. I don’t know any university in the world that would give you a BA without you taking BA courses. If you didn’t want to study arts courses why not do a BSc or BCom and then do a three year degree ? Why do you feel so injured ? Did you not look at brochures for the program before you applied ? I’m honestly puzzled by people complain about all of this. Visiting faculty only teach elective courses- they teach what they’re interested in and the students that share those interests are taking those courses.

If you’re not interested - don’t take the electives. If you want more corp law electives - reach out to people and get them to offer them ? Why insist that the entire university be remade in your image ?

Hyderabad has a deeply ingrained socio-cultural-economic bias against law firms that demand top-tier fees. Consequently, these firms are usually relegated to tax and land due diligence work, with a sprinkle of NCLT matters at best. The reality is, professionals in these regional setups quickly lose interest and leverage the firm’s network to launch more lucrative independent practices. The only way to break this long-standing cycle is to level the playing field—treat Hyderabad’s fee earners as equals, invest in their capabilities by involving them in specialized practices like white-collar crime or competition law, and then back them aggressively in developing new practice areas.

Some of my friends at tier 3 NLUs managed to get jobs. It was an NLU where there was no VC and no registrar for about an year. Internships, contacts and hardwork helped them. Try to get assessment internships and PPOs. If not, even a training internship of six months. Many times, the salary of tier 3 NLU grads in tier 1 firms is less than tier 1 NLU grads. But ultimately, in 2-3 years, they catch up.

At my recent internship, I got to work very closely with my college senior, who is an associate at the company. I would really like to give him something as an appreciation for the guidance and the help. What would be some office or work essentials that I can gift him (and are affordable)?

I was also thinking to make him something that he can stick on his desk, but that might be too much???

Can an assesment intern for 3 months at a tier 2 law firm Delhi ,get a A0 position at t1 law firm after the end of assesment.

Or would it be better to better to work at the same place for a while then thinking of switch . Specially asking for cap markets and M/A practice area.

What do you expect when you join BA LLB? If you wanted only law courses, do what you like for undergrad and join the LLB. Or, for more business oriented courses, join BBA LLB or BCom LLB. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but if join BA LLB, you've got to put up with BA courses to the tune of 48 credits.

I am not sure what it is going to shape up to be but certainly hearing about more exits from their PEVC practice that it is starting to bother people who are currently working there. How big are these names? can’t say! but it’s still something for induslaw considering the drowning boat… they’re on

Hi guys, I will be interning with the private client team of a t1 firm in a month. However, I'm extremely unsure about how i should feel about this. I am of course extremely grateful for this opportunity, but I'm very skeptical about the team. Could any of yall help me with prep, what I should expect etc?

there is a huge crowd doing that. Unless you offer full term course on YT, You won't get a pull. Remember what Baba Nolan said, If you are good at something, never do it for free..
Target money if you are starting YT channel.. hire a beautiful female to be presenter of the content.. there is a better pull with this..

You're not alone in feeling this way.

I go to a tier-2 NLU and initially believed it was on par with the likes of NUJS, NLS, etc. But reality set in—I realized the differences are real. The culture at tier-1 NLUs, where seniors offer tremendous help, the abundance of resources, the generally more rigorous academic environment, and the preferences of top firms like A&O and HSF, do set them apart. Being at a top NLU does make a significant difference.

However, I genuinely believe you can still excel from where you are. Focus on making your CV exceptional: excel in ADR or Moot Courts (I know it's challenging with less guidance and resources), publish outstanding work, and most importantly, aim to be in the top 5 of your batch. From what I know, firms do recruit from tier 2/3 NLUs as well, though they may take fewer candidates than from tier 1s. Being in the top 5 will ensure you get great internships, whether in litigation or corporate law. Network extensively and reach out to as many people as possible. Climb the ladder slowly but surely, and I’m confident you’ll do just fine.

Can't agree enough. Banking and Finance, Debt Capital Markets is mind numbingly boring unless you are involved in structuring (which only the senior PAs/Counsels or Partners get to do, that too it's exciting only in a few rare matters). But we are splitting hairs here. Most of the bulk work practice areas be it Cap Marks, B&F, DCM are all same. Unsure of M&A PE VC work but heard similar stuff.

Is it viable to start a youtube channel focused on legal stuff ? Would it be better to do exam oriented videos like for judiciary, upsc law, net etc or normal day to day legal videos on legal matters across the world or India ? I plan to join academia and am in the middle of applying to PhD program but because of a lackluster CV, I can't get into any university for teaching. Should I in the meantime start youtube ?? It's not the money but the teaching that I like... Any suggestions?

You do know that legal theorists and labour law scholars the world over have been engaging in productive academic headbanging, and have years (perhaps centuries), more of productive scholarly headbanging, to do regarding the intersection of those philosophers' thinking with the law? You have a lot of learning to do mate, and if your opinion is representative of the NLSIU student body, it is an indication that the students will be the most significant stumbling block to NLSIU becoming one of the world's hubs for academic lawyers. The only cure is for Sudhir to actually introduce more, not fewer courses on legal philosophy, legal theory and humanities. I am sure he understands this, and as he embarks on this cure, I will cheer him from the sidelines, as loudly, and with as much gusto and enthusiasm as possible.

1. Happy to confirm that I, personally, am not at all looking at a corporate job.

2. If the marking is done properly, there is no way anyone can bullshit on those papers. If you have problems with marking standards, why don't you produce evidence to substantiate your accusation?

A silly and contemptible question which deserves no response, but here is one anyway: obviously if you are good enough, yes!

The question is silly and contemptible because it is like asking if Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, LSE, NYU, Harvard, Yale or Toronto would accept good students who just wanted to become legal practitioners.

see it is the partners' discretion at the end of the day. If they like you a lot and if they do have some vacancy, they will give you an offer irrespective of which month of your final year you are. It's just that the odds reduce as the months go by, since vacancies get filled up and you never know, the Team you're eyeing for might be already done with their hiring from your batch. Still, if they like you a lot, they might just give you an interview for the A0 Pool. So the chances are never nil, the odds just keep reducing. If it makes you feel better, I know of an associate who got hired after doing his first and call-back internship after he graduated.

If you don't know the opportunities available after a masters degree in law, brother, I am sorry to say, you're just not cut out for law as a field. It's not about being a first gen lawyer, it's just basic due diligence one conducts before entering an educational degree, and it appears you've done two of them. However, just to entertain you, these are some options-
1. Work at a full service or a boutique law firm after choosing a practice area.
2. Go In-House with a corporate.

3. Corporate advisory with business consultancy firms.
4. Start your own practice on corporate laws and matter- you could work on transactions or just do plain advisory.
5. Policy drafting-corporate law specific or non-corporate law specific.
6. Get into government services by becoming a legal officer with RBI or SEBI

Well, clat didn't work out and I ended up being in a tier 3 NLU. There's no backing out now since I am a second-year student now and have quit my teen years. How do I compete with students from better NLUs while being in this shit-hole place with zero alumni, hopes and dreams? I wish to practice in Delhi / get placed with a senior advocate who pays in 6 digits or close which seems like a distant dream and I am a first gen so forget about contacts. Luckily I was able to stay in the top 20 of my batch and make a good impression in my limited internships while enhancing my skills for whatever my first year was worth.

Am I cooked? Is there somebody else who survived from here?

This sounds like a law student trying to eliminate competition.

@OP, don't buy into this BS. SRL hasn't "overhired". The FinTech & FSR team in particular has only hired 3 freshers and they have enough work to keep them busy all the time. The work is increasing year by year as the firm is growing. Give your best shot and all the best!

News report:

https://www.barandbench.com/news/rg-kar-protests-pil-calcutta-high-court-against-bjps-bengal-bandh

His background:

https://www.telegraphindia.com/west-bengal/the-x-factor-of-bengal-politics-youth-for-youth-trinamul-young-guns-follow-cpm-s-to-streets/cid/411239

https://in.linkedin.com/in/agnish-basu-207a3753

The PIL is an interesting one because the bandh is from 6 am to 6 pm and the court will hear the case at around 11 am, when the bandh has already started. The order depends on the judge hearing it. An impartial judge ought to say that the right to protest is a fundamental right but you cannot inconvenience citizens.

0. The syllabus is tremendously outdated, they don't teach any law for the first two years of the 5 year program 1. Faculty is by and large mediocre, many of them have no practical experience at all, and their academic pedigree is less than stellar- the non law subjects get very less attention and relatively much junior faculty, and the law subjects are taught by professors seemingly at random without regard to their background (I had a professor with a background in commercial law teaching me IPC, they were more clueless than me- similar stories with a few other subjects too) that being said, there are a couple of truly excellent faculty members. 2. Placements are not great, last year less than a third of people sitting for placements got jobs through campus recruitment, though college has claimed credit for PPOs and offers attained through personal effort too. This year so far, afaik only two job offers through placements. 3. Crowd is subpar and apathetic, no student unity, no academic environment. Additionally, the infra is quite poor, and most of the campus amenities like the ground, pool, gym, and tennis courts are rented out and not accessible to students.

Idk why I became slightly nostalgic about law school and wondered why we had the slogan "office mein tera baap kon: law school law school"? Idk if NLS students use this at present.The irony is that it was mostly used to cheer our teams in sporting events. Can some senior enlighten when and how exactly we got this slogan? Was it out of the fact that many if not most partners and SAs were NLS alums?

I thought it would be fun to revisit this thread three years on. At the time, plenty were saying 10 crores is a sufficient retirement corpus for life (some even said 4 crores), and one guy said 30 to 40 crores and we all felt that was too much. After the inflationary bout of the last few years, I’m afraid I have to up my previous estimate (10 crores) to about 25.

Inflation is a real dog, huh - bark and bite both bad for us. I look forward to increasing my estimate again in a few years’ time….

The truth is that Indian law firms are full of toxic and entitled people, who take pleasure in bullying others. It may also be worse with interns since they have less power, and may only be there temporarily. Please do not take it to heart - it is a reflection on them, not you.

Most cases, it's best to just let it go, as frustrating as that is. If it's in good humor, try to play along. If you feel there is malice, just be quiet but look visibly uncomfortable. If someone is very mean to you, try expressing it calmly and politely, emphasizing that you are just a student and want to learn. And of course, avoid that person in the future if possible.

If you are a girl and a male senior is doing this to you, please, please express this with one other trusted person in the room - "XYZ made me uncomfortable, please don't do this again."

Keep doing your best. Don't get affected by these things. Talk to your friends and family, you will be okay. I wish you all the best.

Could anyone shed some light on the team structure, type of work/mandates, working hours, bonus etc?

Thanks in advance

P.S: kindly don’t make it a “let’s shit on Saraf” thread. I’m considering applying, I’d really appreciate reviews from people who’ve worked w him or know of the team personally.