Hey everyone. I am a recent law graduate (2024) from a reputed govt. college with a 3 yrs LL.B. degree. I am facing this dilemma, as to whether to stick to litigation or switch to academics (i.e. doing a masters from a NLU etc) Although, my interest lies in litigation, but sometimes I get very skeptical about my decision as to whether it's a right call or not.

In my case, my family's financial situation is not to good.

What do you think, will it be feasible to work as an ADA in prosecution department in Haryana, say for 5 or 10 years and then switch to Independent practice in the HC at Chandigarh.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

That's a different scene. NLS needed the land, Karnataka government needed the domicile reservation. Easy enough exchange. NUJS while starved for land, does not need additional campuses in the middle of nowhere. So West Bengal government does not have any new carrot to offer to the institution. It had already got domicile reservation of 30% by giving NUJS a small piece of land.

IMO, for some people that is the only source to connect with professionals like yourself! I agree it might be annoying to directly receive so many requests on a daily basis but you can consider giving a chance to someone with a decent CV though!

PS: commenting as someone who cold emails herself with a hope to receive a better opportunity!

This triggers PTSD for me, When i first heard about the things that my now ex girlfriend had done in her first months, it broke my heart. I still think about it sometimes. I dont know if it was better that i heard it straight from her? Man i hate law firms and the culture so much nothing really makes sense anymore. I hope she’s happy though

Better to join DU. Less classes, more time for internships, less fees, more connections. Can even work around the year with advocates and firms. I know people who attend classes in the morning and go to chambers in the evening throughout the year. Could you imagine a year long internships on your CV.

State university will remain a state university. A time when andi-mandi-sandi institutes are getting institute of eminence/importance status, NLUs can't even get a central status. Even deemed & pvt universities are much better than this, atleast they have full autonomy in their affairs.

I completed my law degree from law fac, DU more than 3 months back but still sitting jobless and anxious about my future. I pursued an unemployable ba degree prior to this and felt the need to top up my resume with a llb degree. 3 years later I find myself in a familiar situation.. I have applied to thousands of jobs but nothing so far other than rejections. Even during law school I struggled to secure proper internships.. even the ones I got in somehow, I was not able to make much of an impact since my research and drafting skills were sub par. At this point frankly, I’m coming to terms with the fact that this law degree was a sunk cost and equally as ineffective in boosting my career prospects.

I don’t see myself going after yet another meaningless degree or chasing dead end low-paying roles in sales, call centers, or academia. Right now, my skill set is pretty basic, I have a working knowledge of MS Office and can touch-type. I’d really appreciate any advice on how to make a career correction that will actually lead to employability soon. I don't have any passion/aim other than financial independence and stability. I’m open to starting from scratch and willing to put in the effort.

Hello everyone,

It's been some time.

I will try to keep it short. I come from a non-nlu university (undisputedly the first line in every LI cry-for-help post, I think) and I never had the opportunity to intern with those big guzzling corporate law firms even after "decillion" attempts. These rejections never affected me but they did push me towards litigation while all this time I hoped for a career in corporate. So, bits and crumbs for experience in corporate.

Anyway, (to make things worse) I graduated this year; with the same fate and the same determination. I made a list of all the law firms and started applying. My rejections were obvious and evident but I don't intend to give up as I have clouds and mountains for dreams. I am still at hunt, but while I am at it, I also started working in litigation, just to keep myself sane. Pay is peel of the peanut but the work keeps me busy (and I am learning something everyday at least). However, I don't intend to keep working in Litigation. I don't think litigation experience holds any value for such firms and thereby I have decided to start afresh. I believe it is not too late, I will apply to every kind of law firm handling transactions or Cap Markets or PE&VC and for that I need help and suggestions from everyone here at LI.

So, pls help me with any leads or names of such law firms where hiring is rather easy and immediate.

Thank You!

Several comments seem to suggest you just deal with it, which is an option for sure, if the $ is enough of a payoff for you.

Truthfully, there are many different ways to live, and when we are stuck in the law firm loop (I was as well) it is hard, in that low-energy state, to even allow yourself to imagine how else you might build a life and find happiness.

But that’s a limitation of imagination. I quit that life and went on to make good money as a lawyer but by making different choices that allowed me more time and freedom. I would obviously have made more in pure cash terms by staying with a tier-1 - but I honestly felt the ‘price of that money was too high.

I would not solely rely on Wikipedia for accurate information. However, it is a great place to start your research - some of the citations in the Wikipedia can be your second round of reading, and then you can go further in depth by reading the citations in these articles/sources.

Yeah. They quite obviously are. The kind of identity politics that NLU students are obsessed with matters very little to most Indian people. They care about jobs and wages far more than they do about intersectional queer theory or rights to self determination for non citizens. Many students at NLUS- although not all- also come from the elite sections of society, never having seen poverty. They have never been to a trade union meeting and don't know what farmers' issues are. They live in a bubble on campus and do not interact with the local population. They barely have any real understanding of the country's history or its problems. They really do think that everything they see on social media is real. And those who fashion themselves activists in these places are really quite clueless- flitting from one cause du jour to another because their instagram algorithms told them to.

Of all the injustices perpetrated by Jindal Steel - what do JGLS students protest about? Palestine. Honestly, it's delusional thinking. Of all the problems faced by workers in Karnataka, what are NLS students most concerned about? that their VC is mean to them. NALSAR exists in a complete bubble where students think their civil rights are being violated by allowing BBA MBA students to have student representatives in student government. And where their teachers tell them that it is revolutionary to get an mx on their degree certificate- rather than- endlessly self-indulgent. This is what passes for activism in a law school in a state where tenant farmers are protesting for compensation after floods and haven't been able to make their voices heard. This elite move away from class issues to identity will make the left lose the country for a generation.

I don't really have a problem with elite academic spaces engaging in academic research and discussion- that is how we solve some problems. What I do have a problem with is what passes for research in our elite institutions today. Which is mostly ideologically driven, poorly evidenced nonsense with no connection to reality. And this stuff helps well-off people clothe themselves in victimhood. What passes for even "good" empirical research is- interviews with five of your queer academic friends about navigating caste and queerness in modern India. Or writing some nonsense about how India decriminalising homosexuality is really pinkwashing. This stuff gets awards. It has no credibility at all, and we've gotten to the point that we cannot even call bullshit on this so-called "research" because the authors will clothe themselves in victimhood because of their claimed identities. It's the death of truth and the death of real, impactful research and critical thinking

And honestly, this elite capture of the left will have serious consequences for poor people and labourers and farmers at the voting booth. The best thing academics can do is to be a little mindful and self-aware at this point instead of sucking up all the air in the room.

Trump has the support of some of the richest people in the world - Musk, Putin, Melon are all billionaires. He was very good friends with Epstein, and is friends with the Kennedys and Kardashians as well. While Democrats in the US also have support from billionaires like Swift or Beyoncé it's superficial PR support and not actual friendship or sustained help in any way. The Republicans are far richer than the Democrats.
The issue starts with education. While the Republican party top are all elites from rich families who went to top-tier schools, their voter base is mostly not very highly educated, not very socially aware of progressive people. That means pandering to them using billionaires as props will completely backfire and they are very aware of it which is why they declare themselves to be "of the people" even though they tend to move to other states or countries the second temperatures get high (hi Ted Cruz). It's like if someone from the Gandhi family in India suddenly declared they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Complete nonsense.

Coming to NLU graduates, NLUs aren't super affordable for a lot of people. I know people who got into the top 5 NLUs but couldn't go because of money since local colleges charge 25-35k a semester instead of 100k or more. India is a very poor country but it is easy to live in a comfortably middle class burble without ever actually seeing proper poverty

Hi, thanks a lot for replying. Problem is I while I have applied plenty, I haven't get a lot of replies in general and the only corporate law internship I thought I had didn't pan out plus November is beyond late for fresh applications and most firms are closed for the winter as far as I can tell.

I'll get mostly litigation internships now is the problem, should I just suck it up and do entirely litigation internships? I'm just a bit confused.

Any idea about some firms in Pune? Salary structure, work environment, things like that? I was looking at -

1. Stratjuris - do they only do IP work? I talked to a guy who'd moved to an inhouse position from there and he had zero experience of contracts or anything that wasn't core IP.

2. Rishabh Gandhi - I interned with a girl from there but all I got out of her was that some associates were fun to spend sutta breaks with lol

3. Reddy & Reddy - I've heard they're well-established but I know nothing of them

4. SRB Ojas - seem to be expanding suddenly in the last year but I can't find anything online about them

Any help will be appreciated!! Thank you!

Hi all, fourth year nlu student here. So I had been trying to get an internship at Trilegal for jan 2025 since june. After multiple followups, I received the assessment links like most of us did but now I've been told by the hr post the assessments that the slots for jan 2025 are all filled and they can only offer me an internship march onwards. The thing is, my uni gives the internship break only in jan-feb and july. I planned to intern at trilegal in jan and then wished to secure a call back for july so that there could be some scope for a ppo, but that looks unlikely to me as I can only intern there in july 2025 now :(

What should be my possible plan of action here if I still want to try for a ppo from this internship?

i got 2 T1 internships because thankfully the partners were kind enough to read the mails for just 10 seconds, which included the work and area very closely related to the one done by the team, in essence making their lives easier(in case they are hiring). I can assure you the candidates in your mails are as good as (if not better) than the interns you get only through filtering applications based on CGPA.

LoL, seems like their new HR is quite active on LI now. It's baffling how hard ICUL is trying to market their toxic work culture and hide the recent mass exits from the firm.

Although, I have to admit their fund setup practice is one of the best (in terms of quantity) in India.

Other than that, Saturdays are mostly working, one Saturday every month is officially working.

And the work culture is toxic half the time (I hear daily about the work culture from one of my flatmates).

Everyone remaining is in their own bubble criticizing KCo and Trilegal, as to how bad they are. Which shows how insecure they are. But that's okay considering that they're trying to retain their workers.

Anyway, TC is a growth oriented leader, I have respect for him. I think they'll eventually realise what they're doing wrong and do well in the future.

NLS has struggled to get an additional 15 acres since 2020, when the Expansion Plan was announced. Sudhir did a webinar with the students to show how the existing campus would be expanded by 15 acres, but BU refused and asked for a 50% domicile reservation. Now, we are getting 7 acres for 10 extra seats. The number of seats for non-Karnataka students is not reducing; they are increasing the total number of seats to accommodate them.

I don't know why so many people in the comments are treating this as a 'gotcha' moment saying this shows nls is going downhill. If anything, it is really unfortunate and shows how badly NLUs have to struggle for some extra funding and for infrastructure development. Most of NLS's recent infra is due to donations from private bodies like Infosys Foundation, JSW, Luthra, Thakur Foundation and so on. Still, it has to have these quid pro quo negotiations with the State Government for some extra resources.

If I was Sudhir, I would have proposed this compromise solution:

- 100% Karnataka reservation in SC/ST/OBC quota, across BALLB, LLB, LLM and MPP

- 50% Karnataka reservation in EWS quota, across all courses.

- No reservation in merit list.

Such a formula would have balanced meritocracy with political compulsions.

Karnataka High Court
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Master Balachandar Krishnan vs The State Of Karnataka on 29 September, 2020
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### Bench: B.V.Nagarathna, Ravi V Hosmani

“111. As a sequitur, it is inferred that the respondent/Law School is not akin to a State University established by the State Government. In fact, on a reading of the scheme of the Act, it is clear that the State Legislature was mindful of the fact that it was establishing a national-level institution in the State of Karnataka and that its powers under the Act was minimal. It is also not on par with the other national law schools in the country. It may be that the respondent/Law School is a part of the Consortium along with other National Law Schools for the purpose of participating in CLAT. But, the respondent/Law School cannot be compared with other Law Schools nor is on par, for the reason that the incorporation and establishment of the respondent/Law School is unique; it is the product of an experiment made by the BCI to set up a model law college in India for the promotion of the legal education, which would be a national-level institution. -: 159 :- Hence, the respondent/Law School is a unique national- level institution and cannot be construed to be a State University. It may be that the establishment of the respondent/Law School is by a legislation just as other law schools have been set up in various States of the country but, the similarity ends there. In all other respects, the respondent/Law University is a stand-alone Law School and University of India. It has its own distinctive features and therefore, must function as such so as to achieve the objects for which it has been set up.”

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/170946768/

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Remember that Sudhir and alumni argued before the Karnataka HC that other NLUs are not national, only NLSIU is national. Remember that NLSIU students declined to join efforts by students of other NLUs to jointly campaign for NLU nationalisation.

Karma is a bitch.

Bro people with some sort of social marginalization be it caste, religion, or gender are treated better than supposedly "non-ultra left UC Hindus". So yeah you'll be pretty safe and won't face much discrimination. Believe me if someone ever discriminates against you, that person will be ostracized to such a level in college that he will not be able to have a decent social life after being called out

Have seen it happen the other way around, but you'll need some pull with the senior partners and its tricky to 1) not piss off your current partner while switching and 2) finding a partner who'd be willing to take you without it straining their relationship with your current partner

Kamala Harris wasn't an Ivy League grad, JD Vance and Trump are.

KH grew up in a poor black neighbourhood. Trump was rich from birth.

Orry the nepo rich brat who gets paid for being a poser voted for Trump. Indian elite people like him all go abroad to study and grab foreign citizenship before returning home. They are not in the NLUs. They are not the common people but they are also not the people in charge of the country.

The NLS faculty has several kind, brilliant human beings on it. You may want to assess your idea of moral corruption. You should read MO's book again and watch her interviews. The worst thing we can do to ourselves is get trapped in our bitterness and resentment. I also didn't have the same privileges as everyone else and I resented unfairness, held grudges and assumed things that prevented me from asking for help. Human beings are complicated. But if you don't give them a chance, you will feel helpless and never get anywhere. Learn to move on after feeling bad. Remember no one is perfect and no one has a life without their own problems. Often giving your professors a chance is giving yourself a bigger chance.

wow, there jurispere AI guys don't do business clean. first they make their entire site by ripping off jhana.ai and making a worse version of jhana.ai ! then they spent so much time spamming legallyindia.com pretending to be real commenters !! OP tell your boss that we can tell when u fake posts like this

anyway, my recommendation is use jhana.ai. i've tried Casemine, jurisphere, etc and have claude pro account - but these all have hallucinations when I ask questions with precedent needed

A0 here, recently joined. While assessing the transactions for notifiability, I understand we look at the turnover/revenue and asset values provided in the financials. Only doubt is - when to look at “revenue from operations” and when “total revenue”? Or we look only at revenue from operations? TIA.

P.s. would’ve asked my senior here, but they recently explained and I still have the doubt, so response would be v helpful, thanks

It doesn't matter much if you are working from the office or home because the amount of work you'll get is approx equal because if you are in office they'll call you for a task or msg you and in WFH they again can call you on your mobile or assign you the work on email. They need you to get the work done within the timeline no matter the working mode and yes it can get hectic it depends on the timeline and type of work.

Seems a totally extreme reaction by boomers IMO. No such law exists in the world. You are denying children access to a tool that can help them keep in touch with friends and also serve as an educational tool. At least the age cap can be lowered to 11. Ate the age of 12/13 you are mature enough.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/australia-proposes-ban-social-media-those-under-16-2024-11-06/

I just don't know what to say. Good law schools all over the common law world, including the best ones in the entire world - Oxford and Cambridge - have always had a tutorial system (in Cambridge they call them "supervisions"). Those people are a thousand times the lawyers that you grifters and scroungers will ever be. But don't worry, at least NLS now has good academic standards, which means outsiders (and alumni) have a way to distinguish the grifters from the workers. I must say, Legally India has done a remarkable job of helping you ensure you don't mistakenly out yourselves.

Can you provide the citation to that publication please?

Also, when you say "highly ranked", I am sorry, but if it is a student law journal, unless you published in the Harvard Law Review, Yale Law Journal or the McGill Law Journal, that is quite a loaded claim to make. People would be much more willing to take your claim at face value and operate on a "trust but verify" principle if you'd published in a proper journal like Public Law, Current Legal Problems, Law Quarterly Review, Indian Law Review, Oxford Journal of Legal Studies, Cambridge Law Journal, Industrial Law journal or some similar academic journal with a high quality peer review process.

Ha, ha, ha........the plight of NLS. For just 7 acres of land, this much humiliation. Karnataka Govt is taking its pound of flesh. It has NLS by the scruff of its neck - extracting every drop of juice. Where are the clowns who desperately wanted NLS to be given the national university status? This further reinforces that NLS was, is, and will remain a state university in perpetuity (with its quality going down every year). The VC is a mute spectator.

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/nlsiu-agrees-to-reserve-10-additional-seats-for-karnataka-students-9654995/?ref=latestnews_hp

Agreed. In the long term, there is not much personal growth. ICUL Funds team plays a volume game, churning out drafts of documents like an assembly line but the bigger and more challenging mandates don't go to them. So ya, best to use it as a stepping stone to move to either KCO or Trilegal.

It's the other way around actually. 3 days WFO and 2 days WFH. I interned there in July. Understand you are exhausted but trust me when I tell you how important it is as an intern to be present all days of the week and to visibilise the work you will anyway be grinding away at, at home.

He's going to get an extension of at least six months even if a new guy has to be appointed. That's the bare minimum for search committee to be appointed, applications sought and interviews held. The state government through its reps is going to decide, Chancellor is not going to do squat to change anything. SJA is going to remain part of the spectators from the sidelines, that's all. Someone dubious like the VCs of other state universities in Bengal is going to be appointed, with CU background, and finally drive the nail on the institutional coffin. Serves all the students, faculty and alumni right for being enablers of the corrupt, inefficient and unscrupulous regime and admin.

I do all of that; I prepare for classes, engage when I feel I have to put across a point (not random yapping) and turn in my assignments on time. I'll tell you what I don't do- I don't crack jokes with my teachers, I don't give fake compliments on how they have published groundbreaking research, I keep my conversations professional and businesslike. I didn't read the entire wall of text you pasted here and couldn't care less on what 'YOU' think happens. You might have been a bad student, I am certainly not. Flattery works more than hardwork. That is the cold truth. Plain and simple. I don't hold anything against them though, it is human nature and to resent these people for being human too silly to me.

Moral of the story: Go Woke, Go Broke. The fact is that the Democrats have forgotten core bread and butter issues and instead become preoccupied with race, gender and identity. This cost them working class votes. I saw a post in X where someone said: “Democrats forgot that women buy bread more often than they get abortions.” Sums it up.

In fact, the only demographic where Kamala significantly outperformed Trump was Gen Z. But Gen Z just a fraction of the population.

God knows what complexity it has. I'm already deep in this shit, was just warning you. If you want to do it sure go ahead but don't be in this delusion that you are, or you'll leave in less than a year. I guess you asked for what to do during the break, mentally prepare yourself for the boring work and mind numbing work which is coming your way. - T1 Projects A3

Dr. Mirani is very distinguished acad whose profile goes beyond his google scholar achievements. please do not spread such misinformation.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x98gina

You can have a look at his accomplishments from time stamp 50:48 in this video.