JGLS to be IoE this month with freedom for new courses, as IIT-Kh, BHU, DU also get nod • NLU central support unlikely

IoE to unshackle institutions from UGC and other regulations, to be subject to new committee oversight
IoE to unshackle institutions from UGC and other regulations, to be subject to new committee oversight

The government has approved several of the University Grants Commission’s (UGC) recommendation to make institutions with law schools Institutions of Eminence (IOE), which, apart from bragging rights, would carry with it a significant amount of funding in case of public universities, and more autonomy in case of private institutions.

The HRD Ministry has confirmed the UGC recommendations for Delhi University, Banaras Hindu University, University of Hyderabad, IIT-Madras and IIT-Kharagpur according to the Indian Express.

In addition, private institution Jindal Global University’s (JGU) recommended elevation to IOE is likely to be completed this month, after the HRD has asked the Haryana government yesterday to allow the conversion of JGU to an IoE Deemed University with an amendment.

JGU, whose flagship is the JGLS Sonepat law school, was established under an enabling statue of Haryana but it is a requirement for private institutions to become IoE Deemed Universities.

JGU founding vice chancellor C Raj Kumar commented that it was a “procedural matter” that would probably be completed within the month. The Haryana government had already given a no objection certificate (NOC) when JGU applied for IoE status.

IoE significance: Freedom from existing regulations

For JGU and JGLS, the IoE status would not include funding, but would provide freedom from regulatory frameworks, said Kumar. “The [IoE] empowered experts committee is responsible for [IoEs]” and JGU would be “reporting to that committee”.

This means JGU would be allowed to “offer flexible programmes”, such as a “one year’s master, MPP [master of public policy], dual degrees much more easily, joint degrees”, explained Kumar. “It’s pretty much a carte blanche, so long as internal merit and integrity is maintained, but there are no existing restrictions or regulations that become applicable, so long as the institution follows own rules and regulations and practices it adopts for sound practices.”

The vision of the IoE empowered experts committee was very clear, according to Kumar, in being about “giving freedom and autonomy to high performing institutions” according to objective criteria, to achieve certain goals within specific timeframes.

Public universities that have been recommended for IOE status last month and now confirmed, according to NDTV include:

  • IIT Kharagpur (whose law school made it quite high in the MHRD’s NIRF rankings),
  • Delhi University, and
  • Banaras Hindu University (BHU).

The Jio Institute - which is “green field” private institution and is yet-to-be-established with a law school - was also on the list and has been selected.

Shiv Nadar University Uttar Pradesh (UP), has also been recommended and a letter of intent to has also been sent out by the HRD.

No gov’t appetite for #nationaliseNLUs

Meanwhile, law minister Ravi Shankar Prasad had told parliament two months ago that there were no plans to give more central funding to national law schools, flying in the face of hopes that the centre may step in and support national law universities (NLUs) suffering from growing fees and - in some cases - apathy amongst administration and teachers.

Prasad had said: “There is no proposal before the government to nationalize National Law Universities.”

He had responded to a question posed by member of parliament Maneka Gandhi, of “whether the Government proposes to nationalize the National Law Universities (NLUs) and providing them the same status as accorded to other National Institutes”.

Furthermore, Prasad washed the government’s hands of Gandhi’s contention that the centre had any role in the academic standards and funding to solve problems besetting NLUs, saying that “the management of NLUs is done by them and the academic curriculum and standards is decided by them in consultation with the Bar Council of India”.

Comments

Guest 6 Sept 2019, 09:48
+14 -17
Shame on the government for giving Eminence status to a private law school for wealthy brats but denying Eminence/National status to NLUs, despite their students being more hard-working and meritorious.

What happened to the #NationaliseNLUs movement?
Hat na 6 Sept 2019, 10:48
+20 -17
JGLS has plenty of middle class students who opt out of NLUs and prefer the privileges of a posher campus and infra. NLUs have incredibly wealthy students who get in through various questionable methods. Have you seen the Judges'-kid to regular kid ratio at NLUD? Your generalisation of student crowds is despicable.
LOL 6 Sept 2019, 21:54
+1 -6
What? What's a judges' kid v. regular kids? What is this judging of law schools by their students' pappas and mammas?
Kya be 11 Sept 2019, 07:14
+1 -3
Sir kaunse middle class students hai yeh, jo Rs. 8 lakh per year ki fee afford kar sakte hai? Middle class ki total family income utni hogi. Problem is everyone nowadays thinks they are middle class, when they are actually in the higher income categories. Please check your privileges.

https://scroll.in/article/740011/everyone-in-india-thinks-they-are-middle-class-and-almost-no-one-actually-is

NLUs might have wealthy students. But this does not mean that the lower classes do not have an opportunity to study there.
Guest 11 Sept 2019, 08:47
+1 -1
They are middle class on a scale on which Mukesh Ambani is just well-to-do.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 09:50
+5 -4
NLSIU will probably make a bid for Institution of National Importance status in 2020 (not as big as Institution of Eminence status, but good enough for a specialised law school). Sudhir has informally told people that he would like to do this and some legal bigwigs are sympathetic to the demand.
jussayin 6 Sept 2019, 10:44
+2 -6
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-not-among-institutions-of-eminence-announced-by-the-centre-today-20180709-9436
Product Placement 6 Sept 2019, 15:21
+1 -6
Don't NLUD and NLS have some flexibility from UGC regulations because of their NIRF rankings? Looks like a product placement ad for JGLS the way you have combined two different stories into one.
NLUD Alum 7 Sept 2019, 13:23
+3 -1
NLUD and NALSAR have some flexibility because of their NAAC scores and not because of NIRF rankings. Don't know about NALSAR, but nothing is happening at NLUD to make use of this flexibility because we have a lame duck VC who is only waiting out his time. And the remaining faculty are busy filing cases against each other, and tearing each other down instead of building themselves and the institution. And student culture has become so toxic that no one has the energy to discuss these matters. They are happier making memes dissing college instead of doing anything about it. If we get a good new VC maybe things will change. Only time will tell. I can only say I am so happy that I graduated and got out of that place!
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 13:45
+3 -6
NAAC grade doesn't give you any flexibility from UGC norms, sorry. You should really read up the law/regulations before making expert comments on those. That much is expected from a law school graduate.
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 04:20
+1 -1
Arre bhai, before going full passive aggressive, do your own research. Here, look - https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=180895

The full regulations are on the ugc website.

Happy? Now, perhaps take your own advice that you so generously offered to me?
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 05:38
+1 -0
Regarding hiring of foreign faculty, none of the NLUs or places like JGLS ever cared about UGC approval even before they applied for NAAC accreditation. Just saying. So this changed very little in the real world. Not sure about other flexibilities though.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 11:48
+5 -0
A political as senior as Maneka Gandhi raises NLU Nationalisation in Parliament, yet NLU students do not unite and do a joint protest, preferring to stay divided because of egos. This is really shameful. Even IIT and IIM students do not throw such attitude. In fact, they have joint alumni bodies and reunions (called Pan IIT and Pan IIM).
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 11:53
+13 -1
[quote]Furthermore, Prasad washed the government’s hands of Gandhi’s contention that the centre had any role in the academic standards and funding to solve problems besetting NLUs, saying that “the management of NLUs is done by them and the academic curriculum and standards is decided by them in consultation with the Bar Council of India”.
[/quote]

This guy is the worst minister in the Modi cabinet and the most useless law minister in history.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 11:55
+0 -0
Kian, can you tell us if IoE status means autonomy from the BCI? For example, can JGLS change the curriculum to give more emphasis to practical subjects, corporate subjects, credits for study abroad programmes etc? If yes, then NLUs should file a PIL in the SC alleging discrimination.
kianganz 6 Sept 2019, 12:15
+1 -0
It explicitly frees the universities from UGC rules re course structures and UGC inspections, but I think the LLB criteria are covered by the Advocates Act having given power to BCI, which applies independently from IOE.

However, it's not entirely clear. Under IOE, "Professional Regulatory Council" is defined to include BCI, MCI, etc, but it doesn't appear to be mentioned again in the IOE notification, other than saying any changes to courses must meet "minimum prevailing standards": http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6385468-Gazette-Institutions-of-Eminence-Deemed-to-Be.html

It therefore seems likely that BCI LLB legal education rules etc would still apply.
Scoop 6 Sept 2019, 19:57
+4 -0
Kian, here's the inside scoop: BCI regulates LLB but not LLM. What JGLS is planning to do is award joint LLMs with foreign universities in 1.5 years at 1/4 the cost of a foreign LLM (i.e. one LLM from JGLS for 5 lakhs and one from a foreign university for 10 lakhs). The autonomous status allows arrangements like credit transfer, online lectures etc (thus reducing the need to visit the Sonipat campus). JGLS is in talks with Cornell, Queen Mary, Sydney and NUS Singapore. If it materialises it will be a gamechanger. The cost of a foreign LLM puts off most people, but if you are charged 1/4 the price and get a Cornell/Queen Mary/Sydney/Singapore tag, many bright students and even practitioners will apply. It will also mean huge revenues for JGLS. Possibly 200 LLM students a year paying JGLS 5 lakhs = 10 crores a year windfall for JGLS.
Zip 6 Sept 2019, 12:40
+0 -0
Yes, total autonomy from BCI. JGLS is ditching BCI syllabus.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 13:44
+9 -0
Actually, if one ditches the BCI syllabus, then on graduation, he cannot appear for AIBE and may be required to do that bridge course again. That's the downside. Regardless of IOE status. They would doubtless tweak it to pay at least lip service to the BCI curriculum. TBH, BCI doesn't require much, some 10-12 basic papers that you'd need to learn anyway. Rest is up to you.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 12:17
+2 -0
Kian, pls do a story on the state of faculty at NLUs also. Many people spread disinformation about which NLU has most alumni teaching, most publications etc.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 12:30
+2 -2
#NationaliseNLUs failed because of NLSIU. They spiked the idea of a joint protest because they selfishly want National status only for themselves.
history repeats 6 Sept 2019, 14:04
+17 -4
2009
JGLS - we're here!
Everyone else - you'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-global-law-school-launches-llm-dean-responds-to-critics-20100209-478

2010
JGLS ties up with Cambridge, Yale and Queens
Everyone else - you'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-starts-police-academy-india-with-cambridge-20100317-587
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-global-law-school-starts-student-exchanges-collaboration-with-canadians-20101114-1505
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-global-law-school-strengthens-bonds-with-yale-as-second-year-admissions-positive-20101101-1466

2011
JGLS starts its first dual degree LLB - JD
Everyone else - you'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-indiana-university-us-to-offer-combined-llb-with-jd-in-6-or-4-years-20120221-2588

2012
JGU tops MPL (albiet briefly)
Everyone else - you'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/mooting/jindal-tops-mpl-4-standings-after-5-moots-a-wins-for-nlu-d-nlsiu-nujs-a-rmlnlu-20120930-3151

2017
JGU applies for IoE
Everyone else - you shouldnt be allowed to apply coz NLUs cant. In any case, you'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgu-has-applied-for-institution-of-eminence-status-nlus-possibly-can-t-20171212-8932

2018
SC cites 4 JGLS faculty in Koushal judgment
Everyone else - yes but it was published in the NUJS Law Review. You'll never be as good as the NLUs
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/how-academia-came-of-age-with-377-sc-relied-on-these-indian-journals-blawgs-in-pro-gay-rights-judgment-20180906-9522

Earlier in 2019
JGU gets into world uni rankings
Everyone else - jugaad
https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-gu-sonepat-hacks-into-lower-reaches-of-qs-world-college-rankings-in-benchmarking-drive-though-methodology-a-bit-hazy-20190619-10646

Now
JGU is an IoE
Everyone else - you'll never be as good as the NLUs
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 14:39
+7 -3
I don't think anyone disputes the quality of the JGLS admin or faculty. However, the biggest question has always been whether they have managed to attract a comparable if not better set of students. Otherwise, what's really the use of the faculty and infra? The huge batch size doesn't help either, which means most of the students don't always get to learn from the best of the faculty always. Exchange programme arrangements are good things, but one needs to figure out to what extent they are actually benefiting the students. I think the time has come to do a proper study of the career trajectory of JGLS graduates, it's been in the block long enough with 5-6 batches having graduated already. I am not saying that they are not doing good stuff, just that highlighting that should be more important than the faculty profile or university rankings. Regardless of the scholarships JGLS offer, one has to admit that it still remains highly expensive to study there. I don't know about the comment about middle class students studying there. If you can spend 5 lakh plus every year for your kid's education, you no longer qualify as middle class. I agree that even NLUs have their share of rich kids, but it's a comparative thing. The main edge that JGLS has is freedom. From government interference, inept governing bodies etc. Plus the cash.
UrbanRascal 6 Sept 2019, 16:58
+12 -11
I would pause before you piss all over JGLS with your idiotic "student quality" comment. If all else fails go for student quality eh? Students at both tier-1 NLUS like NALSAR/NLS/NLUD or tier-2 NLUs like NUJS/NLIU are hardly something to emulate. Most are spoilt brats, with behaviour that suggests they run their law schools (NUJS even is proud of this). They have done well in the vaccum of legal education but that day is over and soon JGLS will start punching its weight. Already the LLM and training contract quota for NLUs has shrunk because of JGLS and soon the law firm market will shrink too. In ten years nobody will go to shoddy places like NLIU or NUJS and Jindal will be a serious alternative to NLS.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 17:26
+7 -1
Where you found in my comment that I was trying to 'go after' JGLS only you know. Looks like you've been carrying a huge chip on your shoulder so as to consider every comment a criticism. I actually agreed that JGLS admin and faculty are better than any NLU on an average at present. I am not even saying that their students are any worse. Just that the student achievements need to be highlighted at present more than institutional achievements. The latter is already established fairly. The former needs to be proven by showing that they are doing well during recruitment, competing successfully on other fronts with the NLU students, etc. The problem with your concept of JGLS being an alternative for NLUs is mostly the fee component and the existing NLU alumni base advantage. Latter JGLS can catch up to eventually as more of their batches graduate and reach senior positions in the industry. The former I don't really know. It's always going to prevent meritorious yet economically disadvantaged students from going there en mass. That's the next hurdle the admin need to figure out. Scholarships help a bit, though not enough. Maybe bank loans etc. Remains to be seen.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 17:32
+8 -6
NUJS a tier 2 NLU? Keep smoking whatever you have been, dude. It's obvious you have a huge inferiority complex. Shows throughout your comment. And NLUs 'training contract quota' is shrinking? Goes to show what you know about training contracts. Precisely nothing. If NUJS students take pride in actually having the responsibility to help run their university smoothly, then only idiots like you would find any problem with that. Better than taking pride in lording it over the less fortunate by wasting parents' money. What have you actually done in life to take pride in?
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 20:00
+2 -8
Only NLSIU, NLUD and NALSAR deserve National Importance status (they are also the top 3 in NIRF). Thus, instead of a #NationaliseNLUs movement there should be lobbying only by these 3. It will be a very reasonable demand to the government, now that JGLS has got Eminence status.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 20:08
+6 -8
Regarding the comments about tier 1 and tier 2 law schools, in my view here is the correct classification:

Tier 1: NLSIU, NLUD and NALSAR (matches with NIRF)

Tier 2: NUJS, JGLS, NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU
I am including JGLS here because the faculty and infra are top class, but the student quality is poor, so on balance it deserves tier 2 status. In the case of NUJS, it is the reverse. Past glory under VCs like Menon, Chimni and MP Singh do not count any more, and placements cannot be the only parameter.

Tier 3: NLUO, RGNUL, RMLNLU, MNLU Mumbai, HNLU

Tier 4: Rest + Symbiosis
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 22:41
+5 -0
There's very little difference between faculty quality of NUJS and NLSIU and NALSAR. Even NLUD doesn't have that many star faculty teaching any more. Ask someone who have actually been taught by or at least met with faculty from all these law schools (there are some like that, since several faculty members have shifted NLUs in course of their career). NUJS also employs the highest number of NLU LLB alumni as faculty of all the NLUs. That matter has been discussed here to death before, not that it's a guarantee of quality, just like a foreign LLM degree isn't either.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 04:29
+3 -1
What's the basis for your conclusion about NUJS faculty? Sure we don't have the ideal strength or utopian scene here, but compared with other NLUs at least, we are doing pretty okay. In fact, with five NLU LLB alumni as permanent faculty and five others as contractual faculty, which together accounts for one third of our total faculty strength, I don't think any NLU has more alumni teaching there. Moreover, it's not as if the faculty from traditional university can't teach well. The entire coup that JGLS made recently consisted of four stellar profs all hailing from traditional universities. There's a group that purposefully maligns NUJS and its people in LI comments anonymously. Whereas the truth is barring possibly the UPSC scene, where not a lot of NUJS students appear immediately on graduation (because of need to take up jobs after spending the most in five years), NUJS students' achievements in any sector haven't been proven to be behind anyone. That includes law firm placements, higher studies, entrepreneurship, litigation. If you are saying everywhere the faculty is much better, how are the students competing equally with all other graduates? Or are you arguing that NUJS students are inherently better than all other NLU students that they don't need good teachers to do as well like the others do? Because that's not certainly true. We don't consider ourselves better than anyone else. Just as we aren't behind anyone else either.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 20:11
+1 -6
All NLUs must hold a one-day relay hunger strike to protest non-grant of INI status to them and instead grant of IOE status to JGLS. This is total crony capitalism.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 20:38
+1 -2
100% NLSIU and NALSAR will get National Importance status by 2020.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 22:11
+0 -2
I request NLU Student Consortium to challenge IOE status to Jindal and discrimination against NLUs in Supreme Court. After all, CJI is Chancellor of many NLUs.
Locus? 9 Sept 2019, 04:13
+4 -0
On what basis? JGLS applied and got it, NLUs didn't apply. And anyway why can't you ask for IOE status for NLUs as well, instead of NLUs exclusively? JGLS is miles ahead of most Tier 2 NLUs and below if you're looking and infra and faculty (which form the crux of IOE qualifications)
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 22:26
+0 -5
Friends, please start a petition agains crony capitalism of Modi govt in helping JGLS and harming NLUs. It can be submitted to Congress leaders like AM Singhvi, Kapil Sibal and Salman Khursheed.
Guest 6 Sept 2019, 22:30
+2 -0
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds65jQbXcAAT-3r.jpg[/img]
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 06:12
+2 -0
This is just the beginning. Now JGLS will enter NIRF and try to debut in the top 3.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 09:25
+1 -2
They are already in the QS rankings. Why on earth would they need the NIRF stamp anymore? NIRF is a shady process anyway, with zero data verification, as has been proven over last two years.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 08:45
+3 -0
KIIT and VIT both have law schools and were granted Institute of Eminence Status. Please add their name as well. See https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/hrd-ministry-awards-ioe-status-to-5-public-institutions/article29341635.ece
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 09:24
+2 -2
Yeah, but since those places don't spend lakhs on marketing unlike JGLS, their achievements won't be highlighted as much by media. Which isn't fair at all.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 10:02
+3 -4
The difference is that VIT and KIIT are engineering colleges where law schools are third-rate and not taken seriously, but JGU is practically synonymous with JGLS and it is the flagship school in JGU.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 12:21
+3 -2
Doesn't matter. IOE status reflects and has impact on all the departments. People keep mentioning IIT KGP's law school here, that too gets only a fraction of the resources the main IIT gets.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 09:57
+1 -5
The NLU with the best faculty is actually NLSIU. Contrary to the fake news being spread here, it also has the most NLU alumni teaching and also the most experienced and respected professors. With Sudhir joining the faculty will improve even further.
Guest 7 Sept 2019, 12:20
+7 -1
Why do you keep lying? Can you please name the NLU LLB alumni teaching at NLSIU at present? This has been done over and over again. Trolls like you keep thinking if you keep saying a lie over and over again, it becomes true! Just name the permanent and contractual NLU LLB alumni faculty teaching at NLSIU currently, why don't you? There are not even five in total. I won't make any comment about the respectability, that's relative and incapable of objective determination. NLSIU haven't even recruited permanent faculty since 2008, more than a decade back!
Plsno 9 Sept 2019, 04:15
+1 -0
I love Sudhir to death, I've been a big fan of his work ever since I was briefly taught by him eons back, but the Sudhir worship here worries me because of the absurd amount of expectations being piled on him. Sudhir won't be coming in and doing backflips in an established institution.
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 03:57
+1 -1
WTF happened to the #NationaliseNLUs movement? Are people just going to sit back and tolerate JGLS getting IOE and poaching good faculty?
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 05:39
+1 -0
JGLS isn't getting good faculty because of their IOE status. They pay more, offer more research opportunity and incentives. As simple as that. NLUs can't/won't do either.
MPS_BB pupil 8 Sept 2019, 18:36
+0 -0
Hey, I posted a comment under the MPS_BB username....don't seem to find it here!
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 22:32
+1 -0
NALSAR and NLSIU will get National status in all likelihood.
Guest 8 Sept 2019, 23:23
+0 -0
Friends, is a joint NLU protest deeming Nationalisation happening or not? NLSIU is staring at a quota.
Guest 9 Sept 2019, 07:30
+5 -8
NLSIU = Federer (senior legend)
NALSAR = Nadal (young stud)
NLUD = Djokovic (young stud #2)
NUJS - Wawrinka (once great, now fading)
JGLS = Kyrgios (spoilt brat)
Fading? 9 Sept 2019, 12:26
+5 -1
Why don't you name any student achievement where you find NUJS fading? If you mention infra and faculty (according to you) or internal disturbances, if NUJS students can compete equally with students from the other NLUs that you mentioned even after braving all that, then either your perception about the negative issues or their impact is wrong, or even the other NLUs suffer from similar issues but don't reveal those in public, or NUJS students are inherently better than the students from those NLUs to be able to compete equally even with such handicap. Personally, I don't believe the third one is the case, so must be the other two. If with people like Faizan or Ranbir at the helm of affairs, those NLUs haven't yet turned out graduates far better than NUJS has even under Ishwar Bhat, then that's actually opposite to fading. Where you keep anonymously defaming institutions, students from there are coming up with jobs, scholarships, successful practice, clerkships, policy research stints, socio-legal startups having their impact felt and recognised by state and central government alike. We prefer to show our worth through actions instead of trying to drag others down, that too under the garb of anonymity. Don't know which institution you are a product of, but you are probably going to stay unseeded without wild card entry no matter what the tournament is going to be, with your attitude.