Totally agree with OP. Gives me hope that the current generation is smarter and more sincere than we give them credit for. In my view, we need to dump all BA courses, as they have no practical use and are frequently used to peddle obsolete leftist dogma. Only economics should be retained, BUT on the condition that Friedman, Bhagwati and Austrian School thinkers are taught, plus there is reading material on the failure of the Licence Raj sand Soviet systems.

As for law courses, courses like Science and Law, Gender and Law, Jurisprudence and Human Rights should never be compulsory. They should be made into optional courses, alongside a large number of commercially relevant courses. We also need more courses on tech law.

The corridor and canteen of the Supreme Court (also the Delhi High Court) are a fabulous resource for gossip concerning the high and might of their country, such as who is getting a judgeship, which lawyer is the richest, how many seats is Modi expecting to win in 2024 etc.

It will be nice if LI readers practising/interning can share such hot and spicy gossip!

Posted it earlier, didn't get much response so posting it again https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/305264-Does-work-experience-in-your-dad-s-practice-count-

I am a CS LLB, class of 2021, graduated from a respectable tier-2 college. I tried getting into corp law. No firm would take me since I had no work experience. Meanwhile I joined my dad he is a lawyer who is specialises in Indirect tax litigation. (Sales tax and now GST, a little bit of service tax as well). That being said, he has a 30% odd percent silo of compliance/return filing work as well. I have been with him for 1.5-2 odd years now, I've realised that he is not really interested in continuing work and he's kinda like doing it for my sake. I want to join some law firm in Delhi, Calcutta or Bombay etc. In their indirect tax team. I have gained a lot of drafting and compliance experience after working with my dad. My questions are:-

1. Will the law firms consider my work experience that I have with my dad.

2. That being said, is it a good time to switch now?

Does anyone here feel as if graduates are deliberately being offered internships/assessment internships positions, and are subjected to almost equal work of that of an associate, of course with a pay ranging from Rs. 5k to 15k. The position should be clear from the employer's side, especially if they are law firms. If you don't have the vacancy then stop offering assessment internships. On the pretext of such opportunities, law firms have been exploiting individuals citing that they would be offered permanent position after 6 months of assessment.

An assessment should at maximum be stretched to two months, which is enough time for a partner to gauge the capacity and learning curve of a candidate. And then you can at least elevate such candidate to the position of a Trainee, if found to be satisfactorily performing.

What's wrong in such expectations on the part of a candidate.

Argus, F&M and Aquilaw are the go-to legal advisors wrt joint ventures, disputes and GC advisory. Since very few even let away mandates to KCO and SAM in Cal, its interesting to see how a Bombay run law firm bets luck in a cost-cutting/less margin market. Poach karenge toh kidhar se karenge?

Delhi medical council only has registration fees of 1000/- rupees for application? And 2000 for permanent registration.

Why is the enrolment fee for advocates so high? Around 15500 for Delhi and may be more or less for other states.

When freshers are not even paid 10000 rupees and there’s no concept of even fixed fee of advocates how can bar council of Delhi demand such high fees?

If corporate lawyers see themselves as mere lawyers, then this is fine. However, if they see themselves as business leaders then they need to understand how businesses work. As a discipline, law is more valuable when combined with another proper discipline - e.g. business, medicine, engineering, etc. At this point, most state NLUs continue to offer outdated BA-LLB (barring a few exceptions) and do a shoddy job on others. Moreover, most law students come from a humanities background hence they feel insecure and threatened when any other combination is even talked of. They dismiss any other combination, but sadly state NLUs are falling behind on this curve. Take NLS for instance - it had the opportunity to come up with something innovative (and start a trend). Instead, what does it do - increase the intake for BA-LLB and launch the archaic 3-year LLB? How original????

I know majority of law colleges in India mare turdy, but mine was on a whole different level. On farewell day, Our dean told us that we did not arrange a placement drive for this natch since the students were so incompetent that their cvs were worth toilet paper. Seriously, how can someone be so cruel to students who invested five years of their life with your institution.

What are my chances of succeeding in corporate law firms after joining boutique law firm in Mumbai and working for 4-5 years? People are saying that there are a lot of opportunities in Mumbai and any Boutique firms may take me. It will be struggle financially for 1-2 years and Salary will increase and then I can shift to better firms. Is this approach practical and implementable ?

I will have to go to firms and deliver my resume while taking an accomodation on rent. My plan is to and try this for 6-10 months.

Leave these kinds of T1 kids alone yr....don't know what they are from next time they will also start applying for staff/peon/guard jobs at Supreme Court & will feel proud that they have job at Supreme Court 🤣 same like those guyz who works in petrol pump/restaurants as sweeper/peon in foreign nations & showoff here that ki wo videsh mai naukri krte hai. They are snatching the jobs of Group B/C/D deserving candidates. Don't know y BCI draft or issue notices on type of jobs law degree holder should apply

Arghya Sengupta ( Vidhi)

Vikram Sampath

Sanjeev Sanyal

Swapan Dasgupta

Vivekanda International Foundation ( founded by Ajit Doval is quite RW too)

Anirudh Rajput (leading authority on International Law)

Harish Salve (Not really an academic but definitely a top legal expert, see his writings and interviews defending CAA and Art 370 abrogation)

Just few names that come to mind. The numbers would surely go up as most of the senior academics today are occupying these positions because of the tutelage they enjoyed under the Congress. Case in point, Mr.Nehru who fired respected academics like BR Shenoy and Jadunath Sarkar for refusing to parrot his Socialist propaganda. With this Govt, you can see gradually more RW scholarship becoming mainstream.

privilege certainly plays a part, those from top schools have some inherent confidence and it shows in their body language and at the time of interviews they shine.

but it doesn't mean they are the only ones who get opportunity, one of my seniors, from a T2 city, a local school and (tier 2 NLU), got an internship opportunity with DYC, and he later went on to clerk for him, went to Harvard, became an assistant professor and DYC asked him to join him again once he became CJI.

So maybe there's hope for all of us.

Making you stay late and come to office early and bog you down with work so that it becomes unbearable and then shout at you. Even if they don't give you work still the expectation of everyone in the firm including the pantry boy would be that you must leave office after eveyone has left. Stay everyday till 11:00, to do what no body has an idea. have no life outside your coveted "Law Firm" job because what is work life balance in first 5 years?

Hi, as I have no litigation experience I will have to join boutique in Delhi mumbai and work my way up. But i dont have anyone there . And I will have to work for 20-25K with no savings and back in my native place my parents will be alone.

So i m not sure if I should jump to corporate law and make my career or stay with parents and destroy my career. :(

I am a new joiner (from campus placement) at a reputed tier-one firm. Next month, we will be having around 15 interns, and I have been assigned as a 'mentor'. My team's partner told me to assess the interns, including their good and bad sides, and provide him with a written submission by the end of their internships, which would be used to decide on callbacks. What parameters shall I look out for?

looks to be a good place. those in the top have years of experience. interning there may come with other benefits too. this one person i saw once on linkedin had interned for multiple months there and then interned at azb and received a ppo in the first internship itself. of course not taking anything away from them but i am pretty sure that doing well at axiom had something or the other to do with the ppo. not too hard to establish the common link

Large generalization and not entirely correct. Many law clerks here are not from extremely connected backgrounds but have been selected because they have been oriented to judicial/litigation-based internships and/or have work experience in that field. Tier-1 NLU kids generally aim at corporate firms and direct LLMs/UPSC right after law school and only a handful venture into clerkships immediately. And most folks are from DU's 3-year LLB, random private colleges including JGLS and non-NLUs (many from IP University, Delhi, and its affiliated colleges) as well tier-2 and 3 NLUs. These places don't have too many options in the corporate field and so, the clerkship at the SC is arguably the best option for them in terms of both pay and experiential value, especially in the short term. Many law clerks here also plan to join the judiciary eventually. That being said, there are still few tier-1 NLU folks, but they are by and large outnumbered by the kids from other places.

Bro OP is going to join AZB/CAM/SAM/TL/KCO. You can't live in a lower class neighborhood just to save 15k/month. Next you'll suggest taking the local train to work? Being in a T1 means you have to live a T1 lifestyle. It might pinch a little early on, but it pays off many times over. Don't compromise on residence, commute, wardrobe, and social life. Otherwise, your networking will definitely suffer and you'll be behind your peers by the time you get to SA and above.

Hi everyone, I went to a T3 NLU, interned like crazy but couldn't get a T1 job. After graduating I worked at a boutique firm in Bangalore but they are not paying well at all, and no potential for growth. Someone in a similar position was hired by a T1 but they discounted his experience and forced him to start as a A0.

I don't want to work in India anymore. I can't afford a PG degree in UK/Australia. So I am considering Canada. So many of my school friends who did engineering have moved there after doing 3-4 years at Infosys/TCS type places. Is it feasible for a lawyer

I was sending that to my bf (I'm gay). And it clearly connected with my mentors "parts", so it was very wierd.

Then I deleted for everyone, and told him it was a huge mistake, I'm sorry, won't be repeated, will be careful etc.

He replied after an hour with a cold text "um ok"

Then I asked, will this affect my future opportunities with the firm, what will happen

He replies He will speak to the partner.

Am I screwed?