Thank you so much. I’m currently preparing for the upcoming NLSAT on March 17. I was so disheartened after reading all the negative comments about the program. Thank you for lifting my spirits. I read your entire post (it was not that long for me - I don’t belong to the reels generation :p) you’ve addressed all my worries. Hope I get through and we meet so that I can personally thank you for getting me out of this slump that I had gotten myself into. You’re a lifesaver.

I was totally shocked at the vitriol that these kids were spewing against the students of their own college. But they’re kids. One must forgive them for things they’ll themselves cringe about, a few years later.

Quit whining, take responsibility for your actions and work hard. You're not that special. What matters is your performance on the day of the exam, not how much preparation you put in before, though both are inextricably linked. If you can't handle your emotions/the pressure on the day of the test and ended up screwing it up, then that means your overall preparation wasn't really up to the mark. And nearly half of most NLU batches have droppers since it's a long 5 year course and people would like to spend it at a good place. You're not doing something so extraordinary by missing out on some social life for a year.

This is true across the firms. My friend was interning at a boutique securities law firm in Mumbai and the newly made SA sexually harassed her. When she complained to the Partner he created a whole show to show how seriously he is taking only to cut short their internships and would go around calling my friend nuisance who made big deal of a small incident. Apparently the SA and Partner have been working for 4-5 years together and both try to cover similar incident for other and has created such an unsafe environment where girls who know tries to ensure they are not left alone with either of them. However, there is no proper mechanism to handle the complaints for such small law firms.

I am being offered lesser salary than what I am making in my present organisation.I only wanted to join coz I'm not working in a law firm and want to make a switch.I also told the partner that I am willing to work on a slightly higher pay , if not more or even at par to my present salary, but he doesn't seem to be convinced.Should I take up the offer or wait for a better one?

History repeats itself. NIJS is not able to conduct a moot properly. No information is there in public, teams are clueless about the info, problem is full of typos and conceptual error (I highly doubt if Varotill drafted this one)

Unchi dukaan feeke pakwan. Maybe learn something from other colleges?

Sorry for how very long this is, in advance! Will be downvoted to all hell but anyway. The sole reason I am doing this is because I was entirely clueless before writing the entrance exam, and I'd like for people who are in the same position that I was to make an informed decision. I am a part of the LLBH program at NLS. I won't specify the year, since it's a small group and I'd rather people not know who I am etc. I'm not one of those people who cling on to school pride or whatever just for the sake of it, but having also been in other educational institutions, I also know that NLS isn't the purgatory it is made out to be, us mediocre interlopers and all lol. The tldr is, as is always the case, that things are going just fine. They're not as great as the hopeless optimists would have you believe, nor as bleak as the naysayers would.

If there's one takeaway, this would really be it.

For those of you who are curious about specifics, here is how I've divided up the analysis: academics, ECs, internships and career prospects, general observations and what I think of my decision.

1. Academics - On par with the BALLB program. We are taught by the same faculty, take the exact same courses (sans the BA courses and ofc, we take fewer electives) and are assessed along similar parameters (project/moot/mid-term, exam, viva, class participation). From the perspective of a student, things are both easier and harder. I did my BA from an institution regularly ranked as being among the best in the country, for reference, and so writing projects, making sense of articles and cases etc is fine, with some effort. This is ofc less so the case with my peers with engineering degrees since the way you think and study and even approach a question can be drastically different, but they also have picked up on how to go about things by now. A challenge for me is emphasis on minutiae. Someone once described law to me as being about the 'worm's eye-view' and most social science subjects as being more about the 'bird's eye-view' with some exceptions. Analyses on the basis of individual words, placement of commas etc is quite new to most people who've never studied the law and it's easy to lose track of these things but it's an acquirable skill. I regularly learn a lot from my cohort. We often have people with work ex in a topic being discussed be able to contribute that perspective which I prefer infinitely to multiple people attempting to outwit the other by restating the same point in more magniloquent (read: pretentious) language. We frankly are not as competitive just because we've all got entirely different ideas about our lives after law school. I couldn't care less about people who've done better or worse than me because none of them are going to do exactly what I plan to, which is actually fun! It makes the future look less like endless jostling to get jobs that are awarded often arbitrarily based on singular ideas of competence and more about finding out where I specifically can add value. I'm sure there are some who'll interpret not seething with resentment at the success of your peers as being a sign that you're a loser, but I'll take it over endless misery.

ECs: Much has been said about performance in moots, ADR and debates etc. At the outset, the vast majority of our cohorts do not participate in these at all. The LLB to us is akin to graduate school, where you've had the entirety of your undergrad to do impressive, non-curricular stuff but you're more academically inclined in general afterwards or y'know have a whole spouse or family to whom you have responsibilities etc. Why would I choose to play pretend, wear my brother's blazer or something and take up a fictional case and get, if lucky, an award out of it when I can find an advocate doing great work and help them with their cases? I'm not downplaying that you hone your research and public speaking skills etc but these aren't the only way to go about doing that and most of us have gone through the motions of these already in one way or another. Proportionate to the actual numbers of people who participate in moots, plus the fact that for those who do wish to, you don't get quite the same sort of guidance/mentorship qualitatively, I'd say we're doing pretty good? If only a handful people participate, an even smaller fraction getting a good rank is just math lol. On the 'begging for a simpler problem bc they're so dumb haha' narrative, let's please not obscure the misdirected initial allegation that the problem was plagiarised when it was not and then the abhorrent way in which the future legal pioneers of the country talked about the possible origins of the problem from a college in Jalgaon. The LLB response was primarily addressing how fkin full of yourselves some of you are to think by virtue of making it through an entrance exam, you get to demean people who did not. This is also reflected in the absurd entitlement of one of the other comments. 'How dare you get in shamelessly via an easy exam written by fewer people' has the same boomer energy as that one uncle that claims 'kids these days have it way easier. #bringbackcorporalpunishment' It's curious to also note that some folks who got great ranks earlier didn't do as well this time around despite the evidently child's play of a problem. Almost as if degrees of complexity can exist or something, but what would I know. So to conclude, for those who want to participate in these, which isn't most of us, we do just fine. It's up to you as to how much time you want to invest in this.

Internships and Placements: What everyone's dying to know :o how have they gotten internships?! maybe it's the admin pushing their program, maybe they do voodoo at the crack of dawn, maybe it's maybelline. The tune was once 'firms don't know they exist' to 'no good firms know they exist' to 'admin push'. I hope quid pro quo favours won't be alleged next but who knows. The admin, you'll be unsurprised to know, are utterly useless. We didn't get our internship policy as in wtf we even have to do for each break until very recently. A ton of places have thus said it's way too late. We had to push for our curriculum to be reorganised so we weren't doing public international law before corporate law when we have only 3 years. The SWO cannot in good faith be said to help anyone really. What they have done is route some applications/talks by firms through the University and not individual RCCs, thereby making all programs eligible to participate. If a firm is visiting campus, they'll ask for an LLB volunteer to also be there and pitch the program. If there's an opportunity they hear about first through the general NLS email ID, it's open to everyone etc. This is part of a general centralisation measure that's a common trend across the University. Aside from this, there is no special admin assistance whatsoever. As to how the internships were facilitated? The current second year RCC are ridiculously persistent. They will email and call over weeks and months until they get a concrete response. They're always present if anyone associated with an organisation is on campus.They don't think any place is too 'low' for an NLS student to intern. They don't ride on the institution's coattails and actively sit and explain to potential employers how their program works and what they can contribute. They mention coursework undertaken prior to NLS. Organizations people have worked at. Awards people have won. The 'mediocre' students who have gotten T1 internships as someone described was not because of admin assistance but because these people, aside from being in the top of their batch at NLS, have interned at investment banks, taken serious coursework in subjects like AI and/or have stellar academic records from their undergraduate institutions. None of which someone would know unless they see their CVs, which most of these organisations actually have and most of you have not. In general, a significant chunk of the cohort aspires to judgeship and litigation and academia. It's very few who want corp jobs. If you want one, and have a good academic record, you should be set. I suspect RCCs will diminish in value as everything slowly becomes centralised so hopefully there'll come a day where your future prospects are not dependent on the free labour of a likely self-interested peer. Some negatives though: you have fewer breaks, you take fewer electives so really need to think and choose what you're interested in fairly quickly, if someone has not heard of the program, you need to advocate for yourself actively and follow-up, offer to be interviewed, offer to submit references, writing samples. Saying 'I'm from NLS' is slowly dwindling in importance in general but you especially can't sit tight having just gotten admission. That's where the struggle really begins. You need a good rank and CGPA or need to know someone who knows someone, in which case your mediocrity will be welcomed with open arms.

Final Thoughts: I've seen some interesting (in the same way a Cosmopolitan article on who is having an affair with whom is interesting, to be clear) discourse on deservingness here. We don't live in anything close to a meritocracy and institutional identities are seen as a shorthand for quality. So the current anxiety is as to whether the LLB Program will dilute this somehow. Both in terms of the number of people claiming to now be from NLS increasing as well as who they are. Older, non-uniform, unfamiliar, unknown. There seem to be opinions that suggest that a BALLB student is more deserving of opportunities than one from the LLB program which is why the anger around ‘taking’ what is ‘yours’. Here’s the earth-shattering truth: nothing is just yours. Not the campus, or the faculty, or the ‘tag’ or the jobs. Some would even say not even any of your accomplishments are just yours. You have two options then: spend the years you’ve got on campus whining on a forum visited by others who are also similarly dissatisfied about other kids getting your favourite colour crayons. Or distinguish yourself, your dreams, be singular enough that even in a batch size of a thousand, no one could miss you. The fact that you’re from NLS being the most interesting thing about you or the most noteworthy should be a reason to seriously introspect.

To (finally) conclude if you’ve even read until here, I don’t regret my choice. I love the law as a field, love my classes, the company of my peers. I am fairly certain I will get a decent job, though whether it’s the exact one I’d want idk yet. I think, despite all this, it's important to remember that this is an unverified though sincere anecdote from one person and that the future of the program is dependent on what people who are currently in it do. So idk whether this will be a legacy-setting institution to come or something that will fade to the background over the years/be shut down entirely. It’s almost like the very first batch of the BALLB Program, who were also up against stalwart 3 Year programs in other colleges. You’re taking a chance on a program that you will also actively have to build. Aside from everything NLS is already known for, if that is something that sounds remotely interesting to you, you should consider writing the NLSAT. Good luck!

This law firm has got to be the worst scum of the earth.Even prisons have an honour code where they won't allow rapists and sexual abusers to.mingle in,and beat them black and blue if they try to mingle in.

Do get their law firm registrations cancelled.But getting even the permanently cancellation is next to impossible unless you take up Criminal prosecution of these Advocates.Just recently the Bombay High Court denied anticipatory bail to a lawyer for forging a bail order.The law firms actions are criminal offenses too.

Details – in 12th as of now, gave CLAT 2024 and ended up in a Tier 2 NLU

As mentioned in the details above, I gave CLAT 2024 and ended up in a Tier 2 NLU, which has severely affected my mental health and well being ever since I’ve received the results. In good faith, I can’t claim for there to be any disadvantageous or mitigating factors which can justify my performance in the exam. I had a respectable upbringing in a decent locality, along with my education taking place in an English medium school. My family has a solid middle-class background, and was able to pay for my coaching without any hassles, and if necessary, can afford to enroll me within a private law college as well. Along with this, they were nothing but supportive and I had a good peer group as well. I plan to take a partial drop even thanks to my family’s support and encouragement of my decision to do so.

There’s nothing which can really justify the fact that I did poorly, in spite of me having so much going in my favour. I’m well aware that whining and moping about the result won’t help in any ways and that what’s done is done, and I’ve attempted to move on and prepare for my boards along with other law entrances, in order to secure the best possible alternative to the Tier 1 NLUs. However, each night, I find myself being haunted by my failure and am unable to move on from the fact that I, despite having come from a privileged background and having so much going for me, couldn’t achieve what I set out to do. If I had been more conscientious and hardworking, and didn’t waste time on pointless matters I didn’t remember a week afterwards, I perhaps could’ve ended up in some place much better than where I shall be going. I know that one exam held on a Sunday between 2 to 4 pm in December 2023 can’t necessarily determine the course of my life and future career and doesn’t hold much weight years down the line, yet the ramifications of my failure just keep playing over and over in my head. Many people I know and consider to be friends of mine shall be going to places where they’ll be learning material and being given opportunities which I won’t be privy to while I'll be trying to prepare for CLAT 2025 alongside college. The year I’ll lose will never come back.

I’m well aware about the fact that this post is overly melodramatic and ranting about an exam on an anonymous forum to strangers won’t really help in any way, but I felt as if I had to get this off my chest. If anyone happens to have read this, I thank you for having spent your valuable time reading this incoherent and pointless rant of mine.

Im a 4th year law student in Delhi and in my last semester I have to do an internship for 6months . I want to do an abroad internship as a legal intern and I have no whereabouts of it , please help with which country offers any such internship for students abroad or where I can find such internships . i will be eternally grateful if someone can help me out with this

I gave clat 2024 and got HNLU in 1st list. With the research that I have been doing recently, I found out people preferring RMLNLU, RGNUL and MNLU over HNLU. Though all of these are below hnlu in my Preference list, I just want to know was I right about keeping Hnlu above these? Or should i wait for vacancies and think about any one of the other three nlus mentioned? Anyone with useful insights will be helpful as this is confusing me more and more everyday.

There's some vitriol in the comments which should be disregarded. GNLU's locational advantage so far has been minimal, but it's well leveraged. All the local law firm branches and corporates like Adani hire en masse from GNLU which is why their placements are competitive to higher ranked NLUs.

GIFT city will be an advantage, but not for the next 5-7 years. GIFT has a lot of unrealised potential that will need to be unlocked by special legislation, which is then taken advantage of by overseas players. This will need a lot of time and capex investment. Local legal hiring is usually last priority for most companies.

BJP has haphazardly changed all existing criminal laws which are 100+ years old.

Opposition at this point doesn't exist to successfully defeat any laws.

Can BJP just bring a new constitution 'Bharatiya Constitution 2024'?

After paraphrasing the old one and adding some additional clauses just like criminal law amendment can they make a new constitution?

In the US constitutional amendment requires state approval. India nothing like that is required. Only a Parliamentary approval is needed.

This is a hypothetical question. Hope they don't change it.

@Independent Litigation Counsel -

sir i am litigating at smaller city and wish to litigate in many forums in delhi in diverse areas of law. But I have no contacts there and no guidance. Can we speak sometime? If u are willing pls mail me seriouspen@mail.com

Hate to say it but - you are thoroughly fuck*d . Please awaken . Current job market just doesnt allow that kind of shift unless you already have solid contacts in law firms /MNCs.

You can think of starting boutique and going laterally but that would take 3-4 years and then again you will not land a good company for sure.

Good Inhouse roles require close to 7-8 years of PQE in Good Law Firm with good work ex.

Welcome to Corporate Law.

Hey i can relate to what you are going through. Seriously, if any law student is reading is please plesse consider before pursuing this. Go for financial regulatory or securities litigation if you really like investment law. Once you're in you become a typecast and life is like hell

Attrition after attrition in JSA's so called one of the oldest and best team where 2 EPs work together, because of lack of conducive environment in the team, toxicity of principal/senior associate and associates who already consider themselves as partner. Although, the harsh and rude EPs are sometimes good but unfortunately they also aren't aware of what's going on in their team. The atmosphere seems to be tainted by politics, toxicity, and an overall lack of conducive conditions. Such issues including internal politics and favoritism are making it challenging for the team specially for the people who are not into politics. Glorifying toxic work culture is what is being done here. Going to Jail is even better than joining this team.

I'm a decent law college in mumbai and will have 6-7 internships of 2-3 months consisting of civil and criminal Litigation, real estate, corp,etc. No tiers 1, I do not wish to work with them.

When should I start applying in order to start a job asap after graduation?

January '25 earlier or later ?

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/239403-rumours-of-a-posh-complaint-at-trilegal

If this is the rumoured burial of a POSH complaint inside " merit based " law firm like Trilegal I completely believe every word written above.In all sexual harassment cases there is an attempt to intimidate victims and if that doesnt work they go after the family.Hi tell you that apart from cancelling the law firms license you should seek cancellation of every Advocates sand who you can identify directly or indirectly committing such cheap crimes.They are rapists in every sense of the term.LAW FIRMS LIKE THIS are NOT JUST PIMPS ,ThEY ARE VULTURES (actually worse tgan vultures, because vultures don't make perpetual retirement income at live victims.They at least have the decency for people to die naturally.)I wouldn't be the least surprised if any T1 law firm even big names like Trilegal or CAM or JSA are up these criminal misconducts.

Probably you are the kind who demotivates interns when they join any senior's chamber/firm by treating them lower than pond scum!

Imagine an intern showing up enthusiastically at work in an unpaid office sharp at 10 A.M by spending an entire hour slogging in metro and burning a hole in his father's pocket just to hear how he is entitled not even to basic learning or sophistication.

I wonder why the legal industry isn't a 'noble profession' as it was envisaged to be by our founding fathers when the illicit sons of those fathers have held their egos and positions at pedestals higher than the gods themselves.

I would say nothing more but definitely pray for some sanity to be bestowed upon you, brother!

Based on my limited experience of around a year in the field (based in Panchkula-Chandigarh):

1. A typical chamber practice is usually localised in one court only, with limited areas of practice.

2. A litigation firm usually practice across multiple forums in that area (a small firm would practice in limited areas of practice whereas a bigger one would have multiple areas of practice).

Chamber vs litigation firm:

1. In a typical chamber practice, since it caters to only one court, you can observe the court the whole day. You can go to and fro from chamber to court and vice versa multiple times a day. You'd learn the ins and out of the practice. This you'll find missing in litigation firm.

2. In litigation firm, since you are travelling to various forums, you get a wider experience. And more practice areas of law (usually). Travelling can be joyful or a pain in the tochus depending upon the person and the working environment. This you'll find missing in chamber practice.

3. In terms of pay, both are bad. But here firms pay a little to freshers, whereas chambers pay nothing/or a paltry sum. But the little amount that a firm pays usually gets spent in travelling. So not very good on either case.

Eg: I work with a chamber whose main work is in criminal. Although I love the variety of criminal laws I get to work with, like traditional IPC crimes (Magesterial and sessions trial cases in IPC), WCC (PoCA, PMLA), etc. But then I miss out on the work in civil laws and tribunal work. Although I hope to spend my initial years grinding in other forums/areas of practice as well.

Thank you for reading. Hope it helps a little. Would love to read others' experiences and opinions.

my parents are ready to spend that money on nri and they can afford it without any loans,but i by myself feel bad for that amount due to my silly mistakes in the clat paper, like i don't want them to spend 30 lakhs more because i lost 5 marks,but at the same time if it's worth it then i might make use of it at best, but with my situation where I'll only do corporate for max of 3 or 4 years ( from 21 to 25) then go to litigation should i spend this high amount if I get into the nri sponsored? or what exactly should i do, private colleges,lower nlus, please do help me out

Individuals from both NLUs and non-NLUs, including those with affluent backgrounds, are securing internships at prestigious firms like Cam Indus HSA. It has come to light that the administration at BLJ follows a tiered approach for internship rates; for Tier 1, rates exceed 10k. The rationale behind this, as explained by the admin, is that higher rates are justified due to the firm providing a stipend, addressing financial needs. It raises concerns about fairness and the potential for unequal opportunities. It would be beneficial for partners and HRs to review and address this to ensure equitable practices and maintain the firm's reputation in line with social causes.