https://www.spjain.org/programs/undergraduate/bba

- 4 year BBA with 1 year in Mumbai/Singapore, 1 year in Dubai and 2 years in Sydney.

- Option to apply for a 2 year work permit in Australia

- In terms of brand value, SP Jain's MBA course is pretty old and ranked in QS, Financial Times etc. Alumni include CEOs/VPs of many MNCs in India

If course fees is not a consideration, would you choose it over a BALLB from a tier 1 NLU like NLSIU or NALSAR? What about lower-ranked NLUs and Jindal?

Do you know how much money and how many members of faculty and students Harvard has? Who is going to pay for all these daily seminars and conferences? Who is going to skip class and their other work to attend them? Kuch bhi. The best chef in the world can't make baklava and macarons from a pav bhaji thela. If you're so particular about legal education, start with giving universities the kind of money NUS and Harvard have.

Taxation (progressive IT, wealth tax, inheritance tax) and social welfare schemes (stronger medical and education systems, micro finance for cottage industries, agriculture). There are ways. Just that there aren’t people willing or able to bring them to reality on either side.

so my bf is in one of the top 3 NLUs. Other than having made it to there, I don't think there's anything special about his law school life. No extra curricular, just a couple of publications and very avg grades(somewhere in the middle of his batch). Yet, at the end of his 6th sem, he has internship acceptances from 3 amazing firms(no contacts or anything). Me, on the other hand, has decent grades(top 20% of the batch), a law review publication, a couple famous ADR competitions and am still struggling so so hard to find any decent internships. Oh, and my biggest flaw- I am from a t-2 NLU.

sorry for the rant, but just wanted to ask, are there certain firms that categorically just look for the premium NLU brand? have any of you seen something similar elsewhere? would love to hear.

Thumb rule is - any idiot with good hard money can get foreign LLM. Especially US. Many idiots in my class got to top American schools.

Only the capable ones can get a 100% tuition scholarship.

I myself got a Foreign llm but I didn't get a full scholarship. Only 30% was covered.

Question is whether this exercise is worth it or now? Foreign LLMs make sense in China and Russia as it helps you fetch international clients. And foreign llm makes you more approachable for Foreign clients.

But in India, it doesn't have any such advantage. As all Indian lawyers speak English and can communicate with foreign clients with ease. There are no cultural barriers.

If you are a senior counsel or partners child - then you can consider the LLM as a paid fun foreign vacation where you can gain some exposure, teaching is really good. If you are not that rich, just don't go. Work some years. Save money and go for exed or maybe even a real vacation. It's just not worth it.

Do I regret doing the LLM? Not really. But 50L was a huge amount to shell out and it hasn't provided me much ROI

Long story short, u can't Reason -

- Solid alumni network and preferences which marks nlu a closely knit cabal where outsiders are not allowed .

- Excessive overlooking on other colleges by firms, companies, PSUs and even the bar council.

- Very less prospects of holding prominent. positions in the future - Partner or GC in prestigious organizations ,unless u are very well connected.

- same goes for central universities in the case of competitive exams and teaching positions in prestigious colleges and think tanks .

I will be a graduate from Du 3 year law school soon enough but have no PPO or job offer in hand. I have only ever interned in 1 proper law firm with the DR team and just a few online internships here and there which add no real value to my resume. My skills are limited to minor drafting work, research and knowing the basics of scc and manupatra. I always wanted to work with a law firm especially corporate area/M&A.. but unfortunately never got a single internship despite multiple applications, reaching out to seniors, and people on linkedin etc. I got decent grades but that's the only highlight of my journey so far. How do I make myself competent enough at this stage to get a job? I've been thinking of switching career and start preparing for government job exams but does not sound much feasible either given my age and mental stress. Pls guide and advice about my situation. I will be grateful and indebted.

Bro, Jindal Alumni here. First gen lawyer, zero connections. Joined jindal completely wasted my father's money. This college is full of junkies trying to act cool and all they do is join some good firms with help of connections then get fired after few months. After paying 50 F..ing lakhs, now I'm working in a boutique firm. Trust me bro, even T2 NLUs are better than this stupid college. All these bot comments are like jobless brats trying to defend their college. Always choose merits over private colleges. ALWAYS!

Hi, I'm a first year BALLB student from NLSIU. I'm severely visually impaired from one eye and moderately impaired from the other. My disability is visible. Just wanted to know the scene regarding disabled people in law firms. I know that for many this period is too early for me to be thinking about law firms (at least this is what I have been told) but I'm genuinely curious since every single person that I have asked has never given me a definitive answer. Any comment would be appreciated.

LSE/KCL/UCL ask for 60 %. I got admits in all 3, on the condition that I get 60% overall after graduation. They will also take you with less than 60% if you have good work ex, publications etc.

Re SOAS/QM/Warwick, you can get in with 55%. They set no 60% condition for me. Same for Melbourne, UNSW and NUS (Melbourne and UNSW were my back-up colleges, didn't apply to NUS).

The 60% figure is based on the old DU formula of 60% being first div. I think these overseas colleges will have to revisit this in future. In the olden days the majority of applicants were DU grads. Now NLU and Jindal grads make up the majority, with Symbi, Bennett etc also joining the fray.

P.S. For those curious, I had no scholarship. I chose KCL in the end because my sister was already doing her PhD in the science field there and she arranged a very good campus job for me through her contacts, which helped me reduce my expenses. My first choice was actually UNSW because of certain courses not offered elsewhere, but I had no scholarship there.

In Mumbai, you need to earn at least 1 cr per annum in hand to lead a comfortable life, by which I mean 2BHK in a good area + Honda City with driver + eating out twice or thrice a month + 1 foreign holiday a year + shopping + essentials + about 6 to 10 lakhs a year in savings.

In a smaller city, you can get this with 20 lakh per annum.

I want to switch from Chamber litigation practice to Finance/MBA job. I have a 3 yr PQE and an LLM from a NLU in India. I want to switch primarily due to financial and work life issues? What would be a better option to switch to ? An MBA or Policy work? Would I be able to secure any good opportunity? In the alternative Please suggest other better options to switch to from litigation?

Can we pls have a link for fresh google sheet here, so that everyone can update their revised salaries there.

Pls can someone having anonymous gmail id create an excel sheet for everyone's benefit in similar format as available here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ltk2xnERP1OWklq60BEsJFhl3eSuQX7nQEdo_v37ggs/edit#gid=1214652949

Thanks a lot!!

Bro touch grass sometimes, 1 crore se expenses and saving Karne padhte hai, kab firm ne nikaal diya kya pata. Gym memberships average 20k - 50k for the most posh well equipped gyms. This is waste money. 2.5 lakhs wale gym me flying dumbbells hai kya jo thud shoulders tak aayenge

Hey, as a top NLU student myself, I dont think the distinction in terms of opportunities and exposure is as bad as made out to be. Honestly, law firm HRs dont really care for the college in individual applications, just the batch rank and maybe some past exposure to internships. Chambers and the other organisations also couldn't care less. HRs also tie up with placement cells of many local tier colleges similarly to the RPCs of the tier 1 NLUs.

After you begin interning, it's only your work that matters for your assessment. I know that ILS 2024 has placed more students through PPOs than some Tier 1 NLUs because of honest hardwork. Not shading anything to the NLUers, just that the college tag is largely irrelevant these days.

You do know that you can be anonymous and write a letter, or have enough signatures to write a unionised letter or get in touch with some authority outside the university and get them to write a letter or leak it to the press with evidence. I mean come on you're a lawyer and can't figure a way to a solution. Shame ! No wonder you can't improve the situation. Pathetic state of affairs.

My client will save 3% stamp duty if a Business Transfer Agreement can be shown to fall under the category of 'Deed of Conveyance' and not a 'Deed of Agreement', under the Karnataka Stamp Act, 1957. Are there any case laws which have held that a Business Transfer Agreement is a 'Deed of Conveyance'?

It's because I would prefer a 1BHK in Mumbai rather than a 2-3BHK in Ranchi/Raipur for the same price. It's very difficult to attract young talent to T2-T3 cities. Another reason is that clients generally prefer to work with counsels who are based out of big cities or are practicing in the same city as they are. So, attracting clients becomes difficult as well.

Basically I mean perks given to senior management in companies like Tata, such as:

- Luxury apartment - Chauffeur driver Merc
- Membership of Taj Chambers, RBYC etc

- Elite Amex Credit Card

- First class international air travel (or at least business class)

- Diwali gifts like Rolex watch, LVMH bag etc.

I have been trying to find answer to this question now and all i can find is all the associates and partners are from either NLUs or jindal or Symbiosis or top foreign law colleges because i never saw a tier 1 law firm lawyer from tier 2 or 3 law school. Can anyone help if there is any way, if a possibility?

As someone who graduated from a so-called T1 NLU more than a decade ago; get off your high horse. No one really cares.

Within a very few years (1-3) of working; you won't care where someone graduated from, and the only thing you will care for is: whether the person you are working with is a good lawyer and a decent human being. If you can achieve both, then you are golden.

bro apart from the targetted defamatory comments, you all don't publish so many trollish comments as well. I had made a joke on someone's post on BJP a while back, didn't get publish for what reason I don't know. It did not mention of any individual at all, and at best, only trolled the original poster.

Always the broke people obsessed with "looking" rich. If you spend this energy into actually studying money and building your wealth, would be a better use of your time no?

Aside from the unsolicited advice^ my father and his friends (all vv rich men) play squash, golf, and bridge. See if you enjoy these activities.

Not a big fan of this idea, the site would be full of spams. Censorship is a must, although I was curious to know what kind of free speech are you not able to exercise rn? Unless and until we've a good enough reason not to publish, we publish it (quite evident from so many random threads that fails to transform into a sound discussion).

Would love to hear from ya!

Hi, I was in a similar situation. I currently work at a Tier 1. These are the tips I can give you: (1) intern as much as possible (specially if you go to GLC) - I did not utilize my time interning and in hindsight, the experience would have helped me; (2) don't hesitate in cold calling/e-mailing (you never know when you get lucky); (3) make sure you spend time understanding basic concepts with respect to the field of law you choose; and (4) focus on learning as much as possible and from wherever possible (I started my career at a T2 and realized that there is lots of learnings to pick up from juniors to peers to seniors).

All the best, you got this!

Yet many genuine queries do seem to get answered with genuinely helpful and amazing comments (but yes, for some reason, some also do not). The question is whether those would also get answered if the more popular 'Raga toilet routine' topics weren't also discussed? Is it only a question of visibility / bumps or maybe some topics don't have easy answers / are harder to engage with?

Yes, please compare the NLS faculty publications with NUJS. You will find out that there is not any discernible gap despite all of Sudhir's new hires, since many of those people don't publish much. As for Jindal, their per faculty SCOPUS publication isn't even 1 annually. Their total number is higher because they employ ten times the number of faculty.

You think NLS organises talks and seminars every day? Lol, where did you get that idea?

HLS and NUS are great examples, but neither NLS nor JGLS nor any other Indian law school comes anywhere even close to them, so it seems that all of the Indian law schools need to work harder.

As for student achievements, if supposedly great faculty cannot produce students who do better in all or most walks of life, then what good are such faculty? NLS or Jindal students are not ahead in any metric, which is why all these claims of them having superior faculty are hollow.

It’s not easy. I’ve only seen people with banking, funds, DCM, ECM and (rarely) competition law experience to have ever moved laterally. Your CV needs to have at least 2 of 3 things: (a) top tier Indian law firm experience (firms that partners in London have heard of) where you’ve serviced blue chip/MNC clients - bonus points if you work for a magic circle trained partner (gives them more confidence in their hiring decision) ; (b) us/uk LLM ; (c) NLS/Nalsar/NUJS or NLUJ/NLIU pedigree (it’s NOT that these three are the only good unis, far from it, but for firms and recruiters this works as a good filter plus the fact that historically they’ve recruited from these unis so they have institutional memory of having seen and worked with people from here). Goes without saying but of course you need to ace your interviews and know your stuff - commercial awareness, ability to hold a conversation, technicality sound etc etc.

The BIGGEST factor in all of this sadly is luck. Biglaw is a huge career path in the UK - right up there with IB/consulting - and it’s not even limited to law grads. Anyone in their final year in college can (and does) apply for a TC. So the only time that these firms start looking to hire international lateral candidates is when there are huge market dislocations (think Covid) or that particular firm has lost a lot of people to competitors. Basically, it’s very rare.

GLC kids spend a lot of time at firms and understand law firm culture better. that is not a praise of GLC.

in general you will never see GLC kids winning moots/research etc. or doing anything other than corporate law, they just don't know how and GLC does not give you those opportunities.

The biggest problem lies in the fact that they don't moderate/promote what needs to be moderated/promoted. The NLU d!ck-waving and constant political debates and mindless defamatory gossip attract the most attention here wheras people seeking genuine salary and Practice area advice and suggestions just get ignored or "bumped". I earlier posted about the 6 month cool off period and whether law firms actually have that, got no responses but the moment someone posts something about Rahul Gandhi's bathroom routine, LI seems to go berserk

Stop being a whiny infantile. Equality is a myth and all systems have inconsistencies. If you attend an NLU, be good enough to rank in top 20. Otherwise join a GLC and hustle and secure a long term internship or articleship. Sitting on your chair and pedantically arguing as you are achieves nothing. Be a go getter not a no doer.

Both NUJS and GNLU are Tier 2 institutes. Compare their faculty with NLS or Jindal. Compare their research and publications. Few kids getting scholarships or qualifying UPSC won't make a great law school. They are more individual successes.

A great law school is one:

Where research is a way of life - faculty research is published and celebrated every day, students researching and publishing, the law school ecosystem is regular and relentless in knowledge creation.

Where conferences, seminars, workshops, talks organised every day not once in a month.

Where scholars, practitioners and jurists involved on regular basis throughout the year inspiring young minds and not a SC judge invited in a convocation.

Harvard Law School or NUS Singapore are classic examples how world-class law schools should be.

GNLU and NUJS need to work harder. Posts on LI won't help.

I saw this on a post. If true, it confirms that low middle class turnouts due to heat benefit the Congress and hurt the BJP..

1999 - 60% (BJP 182, INC 114) 2004 - 58% (BJP 138, INC 145)) 2009 - 58.2% (BJP 116, INC 206) 2014 - 66.4% (BJP 282, INC 44) 2019 - 67.4% (BJP 303, INC 52)

I would highly appreciate it if you guys could list down few firms that generally deal with corporate/M&A matters that at least respond to internship applications - be it acceptance/interview/rejection. Additionally, I know tier 1 firms like SCAM/KCo/AZB require contacts, so I think a list for smaller firms and boutique-kind firms would be better. These are the one's I know, please add on:

1. S&R Associates

2. Anagram Partners

3. Quillon

4. Touchstone Partners (although took them a month and a half to respond)

5. VeristLaw

I've been looking at some pro-BJP handles on X this morning. They are universally complaining about the low turnout and are very worried. The assessment is that the BJP got a pounding yesterday because the middle classes stayed at home chilling from the heat, while the poor turned up en masse to vote for INDIA, with heavy Muslim vote consolidation to prevent vote splitting. So round one goes to INDIA.

May I also please request the readers of LI to please cast their vote. It is the first ever election for our generation and we can save India from becoming a fascist dictatorship, so please don't skip it.

Not really. A comment targeting a specific individual even for an hour can be dangerous. Imagine someone accuses you of sexual harassment on LI and then the screenshot is circulated all around your circle. I do believe that LI moderation is a bit too harsh nowadays but moderation should exist before publication of a thread/comment.

Yes from what I heard the Associate Professor has gone to the Calcutta High Court with the FIR and also regarding her complaint with the University regarding the SH. The AP has now lodged two cases at the High court .It's now upto the High Court to decide on the next course of action.

The police case from what I hear has also gone to the High Court.

Yes the VC has got an extension so the matter will now be decided at the High Court.

Yes, very nicely explained. The clowns on this platform do not understand the difference between an institute and an institution. NFSU and RRU are INIs for a reason and these are public universities. As citizens of this country, everyone has a stake in these. The mindset here is since state NLUs cannot be made INIs, therefore ridicule other universities that are. This is the classic crab mindset. See the number of downvotes this comment receives.

It’s an unauthorised encampment. They were harassing Jewish students. And waving banners of Hezbollah and Hamas - both terrorist groups. And they were burning the American flag. Go to Shai Davidais Twitter and you can see videos. They were told to leave and warned several times. The president of Columbia went to congress and lied about the action she was taking against them at the time.

It is not in good faith to claim “Palestinians are not all Hamas “ when you don’t stop people in your movement from waving the hezbollah and Hamas flags. It’s not in good faith to claim that there are innocent Palestinians and babies that have been harmed ( which anyone would be sympathetic to) But then to use that sympathy to sloganeer about how you’re proud of the martyrs of oct 7.

Mods : you clearly cannot moderate these topics. You always let these conversations start and then fail at moderating fairly mid way through. It would be better to not allow the misinformation in the first place. You’re under no pressure to let someone post some nonsense about this culture war in America every week or about the real war in Israel. It’s the honourable thing to go : “we just are not equipped to keep moderating these arguments” and just stop.

In fact, I'm surprised why this didn't happen earlier. Sounds win-win. For example, pay associates 60K in Nashik instead of 1L in Mumbai. The firms save money and the associates probably save more than they would in Mumbai and live in a better apartment. If there is an important physical meeting in Mumbai, the associate can travel by train. In fact, you can even keep associates in Raipur or Ranchi at 50K and ask them to fly down for physical meetings (at the firm's cost). It will still cost the firm less.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/hr-policies-trends/top-law-firms-rule-in-favour-of-smaller-cities-plan-to-hire-local-talent-in-nashik-pune-indore-jaipur-chandigarh/articleshow/109443643.cms?from=mdr

Yes, severe funds crunch. MNLU-N cannot pay salaries to its faculty, where do you they are going to build new hostels? It is not even on their radar. It is similar in WBNUJS as well. The mantra is to pay hefty fees and expect little by way of facilities. In state universities, you can't expect more than this.

The only advice can be given to you is that don't underestimate the power of collectivism: They have segregated you make this an opportunity; Do meetings there take all 100-150 students in confidence, don't board the bus and halt the exams : don't write it unless you get the resolution.Learn something from your seniors of 2017-22 batch. Approach Media keep writing.Someone will hear it and raise it. He can put 4 ACs in staff quarters 2 BHK, but not in extension hostel: Raise this and don't worry faculty members here are good,they won't support him ; they are anyway not happy with him since VC VK is not paying full salaries. Nobody is with the administration. They have their own pressing issues. Your fee money is not even utilised to pay salaries.. Don't know what's happening, It needs a review. Join hands and work together to save this public institution

You guys must do the following:

1. Exploit the election window. Report this to the press and go to the HC/SC asap. This will get you mileage and statements of support from the opposition. The government will act.

2. Next, exploit the window when Chandrachud nears retirement and goes into popular mode. Go file a petition again and seek relief.