Basically the title. Is the effort to return ratio low in this industry? If so, is it a systemic issue on account of monopolisation ( in corp law) and nepotism (in lit)? Or it has more to do with the nature of this industry meaning the market itself is too small? Would love to hear some thoughts.

Hello, I am about to start my fourth year from a private college and was hoping to start applying for january 2025 internships through cold emailing partners. Are there any firms where they do not entertain such emails at all? For eg : JSA on their website say they do not encourage applications through any route except the direct one through the HR. In such a situation can I still mail the partner or would there be consequences for the same? Thanks a lot

Having interned with them for a month, only have praise for the culture there. Everyone's really nice and there's a huge emphasis on growth and learning. Only stayed late at the office a couple of times, everyone values work-life balance there a lot. Would definitely recommend, no idea about pay though.

Not a very convincing argument tbh. The vast majority of kids from all these universities end up working in the same 6-7 law firms, the rest end up doing litigation with a select group of seniors. GNLU puts out a lot of Rhodes scholars despite this alleged lack of "known" faculty.

Good faculty is important obviously, but painting it as the only relevant factor in an NLU's standing is disingenuous.

They will hire till a lot later as well.

It usually depends on openings and vacancies (based on attrition and expansion of work).

For 2024 batch, I’ve seen few PPOs being given as late as last month April.

So, it’s not that SAM won’t hire at all after Day-0 but the possibility is highly randomised depending on the above mentioned factors.

Mere replication of degrees in other law schools ranked better than NLS without improving/considering its accommodation capacity, wouldn't do crap to improve its rank. With the talks of off campus accommodation for students, it would more likely that NLS would fall off from its already not boast able rank in the global indexes.

TLDR:

- Most wealth is owned by upper castes

- Upper castes have got richer under Modi

- Solution is to tax just a small fraction of upper castes, who are an even smaller fraction of the total population

- This section represents those owning more than 10 crore in assets: comes to 0.04% of India's total population (if you take the population as 1.5 billion, that comes to 600,000 people).

Do you all support this idea? My only caveat is that 0.04%/600,000 is an underestimate and may not include many traders and farmers who under-declare income. I think the number of people who own more than 10 crores in India will be closer to 6 million, i.e. 10 times as much.

https://thewire.in/economy/researchers-propose-crorepati-tax-justice-plan-leaving-99-96-population-untouched

The RW view is that she raked it up by mentioning her caste and deliberately engaged in quarrels with people with UC surnames. Plus, only 10 boys unfollowed her and it wasn't a mass boycott.

The LW view is that it shows a deep-rooted rot and it's hypocritical to blame her because UCs show off their caste by retaining their surnames and through marriages to UCs. They also oppose reservation all the time, which is also quarrelsome. The RW is overlooking a whole host of micro aggressions.

So what about NLUs? Are such sentiments there as well? Is there casteism in dating? Do Dalits face discrimination?

All bad. Best idea to not go. Refer following thread for detailed discussion toward the end:

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/351641-ppo-interview-from-lakshmikumaran-sridharan?sort=id

5th year begins in july and I've had 3 competition law internships till now. None of them are Tier 1. I really want to break into Tier1 but i can't figure out how. I've gotten my CV and Cover Letter assesed by experts and friends, but I'm still not getting back replies.

Which firms in the Tier 1s hire 5th year students? I've heard SAM doesn't, and I guess Trilegal doesn't either. Please let me know how to go about things, I've been having a lot of anxiety thinking about this and potentially ending jobless (or just some small law firm). Money would really solve a lot of problems at home.

I'll be interning with Luthra's Corporate Restructuring and Compliance team in Delhi. As part of the batch of 2025, I'm eager to make the most of this opportunity and aim for a Pre-Placement Offer (PPO).

I would greatly appreciate any advice or tips from those who have previously interned at Luthra and JSA or have experience in securing a PPO at a top law firm.

Then he's made a good choice. It sounds like he might need to be at an institution that cares about him for a change. Maybe his new colleagues will support him and encourage him to publish, go to conferences and put some energy into his own growth as a scholar. I hear you when you say that professors who are generous and who care are necessary. But they also need mentoring and support to help them grow. Nalsar was very lucky that he was dedicated enough to stay.

Hello everyone,

I am a final year student from a private college, have some decent internships and ranked among the top 5 in the batch.

Please guide me who is currently hiring for 2025 with a good package.

I am afraid when I will secure the PPO, i am really depressed as the competition is really high.

Please guide for law firms or corporate companies worth joining as a fresher also quote their fresher's salary.

Surely the US Supreme Court will strike it down? How can you deny students degrees for a protest? The NYT says: “Although Harvard did not provide details of what the students had done wrong, official statements indicated that protesters had cut a gate lock and harassed and intimidated staff members.”

Um.. that doesn’t sound serious enough to deny someone a degree!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/23/us/harvard-graduation-protests-antisemitism.html

Why such a low price tag? 2 chair professor one director and 2 associate directors all in a center worth 75 lakh! It is a networking exercise rather than institution building exercise. None of the appointed persons will be sitting at NALSAR and the center is projected as a research center.

Although a Modi victory seems certain, it’s also obvious that there is K-shaped jobless growth in the country. So, are we going to see a scenario where we can make lots of money from stocks and MFs in the next few years (essentially Adani-Ambani-Tata-Jindal eat the cake and we get the crumbs) but jobs and wages remain stagnant? If yes, then resentment among the lower economic classes will grow and a BJP defeat in 2029 seems likely and then the market will tank from 2028 onwards.

Thoughts?

The popular perception is that Labour is anti-India, because they rely on the British-Pakistani vote bank and have a lot of British-Pakistani MPs who have called for Kashmiri independence. But Labour is also pro-immigration and could relax work visas for Indians. If this happens, could the Indian government then relent and allow foreign law firms to enter India?

Thanks for sharing the info that the VC was represented by the law minister's son. The law minister is the one who wanted an NUJS campus in his constituency (Asansol) and is himself facing multiple corruption charges and has evaded ED summons. So it clearly looks like a BJP-TMC shadow boxing match with the VC as a casualty (whether he is guilty or not).

https://www.barandbench.com/news/delhi-high-court-rejects-wb-minister-moloy-ghatak-quash-ed-case-section-50-pmla-summons-article20

For now, the next big thing to watch out for is the election result on 4 June. If the TMC thrashes the BJP, the BJP will be finished in Bengal and NUJS will be fortified further as a TMC bastion. If the BJP thrashes the TMC, then a regime change in Bengal in 2026 is certain. If both parties have roughly equal seats, tough to say.

Fun fact: The judge who gave the order (Justice Kaushik Chanda) is a former lawyer of the BJP. He has been repeatedly attacked by Mamata Banerjee. 😃

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/judge-kaushik-chanda-accused-of-bias-by-mamata-banerjee-made-permanent-in-calcutta-high-court-2529227

Significantly better than PGCL. I have worked for multiple tier one firms and they don't know what a PGCL is. GLC kids are clueless in internships for the first two years, well that is the time to learn. PGCL kids are clueless when they join as A0s. Paralegals and Long Term interns from GLC are preferred than associates from PGCL. I'm sorry to say but your Sister and Brother in Law only got a job because they were top rankers. In GLC you have far more possibilities of securing a job directly as PPOs and not on basis of how much you are able to cram two days before the exam and vomit. That being said toppers also get placed very easily in tier one firms without any internship experience whatsoever.

PGCL doesn't really have any decent faculty, making class room learning pointless. The faculty merely reads from bare acts which is far from how subjects are taught in National Law Universities. GLC has a few professors who actually teach well and are reputed. Students line up for their classes.

If you are taking PGCL you might as well take any random college available through MHCET. Because only GLC and ILS are relevant in the legal fraternity.

Because Cyril needs to secure his grandchildren and great-grandchildren’s future and has seen the writing on the wall. As an analogy, let’s look at the Birla family in Kolkata (BM Birla group). For most of independent India’s existence, their company Hind Motors kept manufacturing Ambassador cars and opposed foreign players. The family successfully lobbied Nehru, Indira and Rajiv in Delhi and Jyoti Basu in Bengal. Every Indian rode an Ambassador car, for lack of choice. When liberalisation eventually happened in 1991, they were totally unprepared and began to lose market share to foreign cars. 23 years later, in 2014, the last Ambassador car was rolled out. The Hind Motors factory in Kolkata is now an abandoned ghost town which the government is going to take over. BM Birla’s descendants are still rich, of course, but just “regular rich” and not “uber rich”. On the other hand, had the Birlas diluted stake and collaborated with foreign carmakers in the 1990s, you could have seen Hind Motors manufacturing Honda or Hyundai cars, with the Birlas retaining a significant stake.

So Cyril is looking at the crystal ball…

IP Management might be helpful if you are already working in-house and wish to understand the business/commercial perspective of IP. It won't be helpful at all in the law firm context. IP Management as a course for a fresher would not be beneficial in terms of securing a job as well, be it in-house or law firm. It is always 'desired' to have such skills but not a 'must have' even from in-house perspective. I did a WIPO DL 450 course last year and found it helpful while working in-house (mostly valuation, counselling of business units, etc.), however, when i moved to a law firm I rarely find myself doing this stuff. Very honestly, I see a lot of people skilled in IP valuation (a major part of IP Management), but trust me their methodology seemed to be flawed. I was looking for a course on valuation but couldn't find any. Gradually, I realized that you learn this over a period of time when you work in-house and the methodology varies between different companies. In fact there is no set principle to adopt, but mostly what works for a company's goals. Hope my response helps (I might have diverged a bit from the query, please ignore that).

No your attendance is still not enforced in GLC except for a select few professors who you'll only encounter from your third year. You'll have to bear them only for your third year because classes are in morning from the fourth year.

GLC still has the best placement stats in all of Maharashtra significantly

The news report is completely silent about the identity of the people who have complained. Are they anonymous complainants? Are they part of a Dalit/Muslim activist association? Also, why is the complaint being filed now if the alleged graffiti was written over a year ago, as the report says? Lots of unanswered questions.

the judgement lists out very serious allegations made to the committee, a) unwanted physical contact, b) proposition for trip to local resort

difficult to prove as on both situations the complainant is likely to be alone with the alleged perpetrator, it will come down to whose testimony is more believable

Hi guys, I have graduated in 2024 from a lesser know college based in greater Noida. I am worried about my future. Any leads about any opening in Private equity, Merger and Acquisitions and General corporate would be very helpful. Even up for assessments internships at this point of time. I have done relevant interships but ruined an assessment. My email is chitkit@rediffmail.com

More than 110 students and alumni have written to the Chief Justice of the Bombay High Court alleging the institute’s apathy and inaction towards serious ragging and sexual harassment cases, communal targeting and abuse, caste-based discrimination and favoritism, and hooliganism in the hostel, among other things.

We were expecting a mature response from the college, but the Acting Principal has given the most nonsensical response.

Reference:

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/sexual-harassment-caste-based-discrimination-ils-pune-9345750/

I highly doubt, many students from nirma and jccl have been placed at T1 and t2 firms.

GLC is famous only for its alumni base and they don't really play a role anymore. The placements have been deteriorating drastically now. You can check their stats. Not to mention it's not worth spending 5 years in a college with poor management, placement and infrastructure. You can check with the students of GLC, even though firms come to their college for recruitment they barely hire. A girl was raped last year in the hostel opposite the College, it's not safe to stay there either.

definitely will consider your point, but I have heard from people on this forum that GLC has extremely trash faculty ('cept a few) and there's not really much going on there. Also heard that proper attendance norms are now enforced.

would a better experience and superior guidance from faculty be worth the trade off for an hour's commute? My sister and brother-in-law have both suggested PGCL even if the commute is shitty because they think that some classroom learning is still relevant, which is lost out in GLC. They're BO '19 and BO '21 graduates of PGCL, and they said that Y1 and Y2 GLC interns are infamous in their workplace (both T1 firms) for not having any legal knowledge.

Thanks. Can you elaborate on the attendance requirements newly enforced (as per one of the replies) in GLC? And my sister and brother-in-law are both alums of PGCL, and they have had no trouble getting jobs although they were both at the top of their classes. There's no one I know in GLC, so I would really really really appreciate an honest review of your last (five?) years.

Never. Considering the way things are going, retirement as a concept will b abolished. In countries like the UK (where I study), where there is already a certain amount of ill-feeling towards anyone relying in any way on state support, those who attempt to retire will be the next group to be dubbed "benefits scroungers", despite their age and that they've worked all their lives. Eventually, we'll get to a place where the formula throughout the world is retirement = dropping dead on the office floor (or while going to, or conceivably even when returning home from, the office).

This statement cant be further from the truth. Observe the schedule of senior counsels, you will see. Most successful senior counsels I know take briefings late into the night and wake up early morning to read the briefs and prepare for the day. The practice of law never gets easy, my friend.

One Banerji was instrumental in getting NALSAR started (Justice UCB) . Another Banerji has given a big donation.

Congrats on the donation. Another sinecure for judges. Not commenting on the merit/worth of the incoming Chair. But that's how things start. It is like life. Dying starts with birth. Hopefully, this Chair/Centre will not go the usual way. Good luck to NALSAR students since the admin will always find ways to screw things up.

This has been the case since before you began studying law (6-7 years). Law hiring at the fresher leval has been slowing down this past decade especially for corporate and M&A, save for wild events e.g. the SAM/CAM split and the COVID deal rush. For now just keep applying and pray.

Being an A0 is one the most boring job profiles to have. Nobody expects you to draft/negotiate or even get the tone of a memo right-

So in that sense-

1. Proof things really well. Don't be lazy- use softwares such as litera.

2. Research thorough

3. Look up precedents in the firm's KM database- use them.

4. Take notes vigorous- whether a senior asks for it doesn't, send call notes to seniors after every call.

Do these okay and progress to the next stage. Remember- it gets significantly better once you've won the co fidence of your seniors and colleagues.

Hey guys,

I want to file my ITR for this assessment year and know if you could provide me with a CA situated in Bangalore who could do the same. I'm looking to pay in the range of 1k-2k as the income accrued over the last FY isn't considerably high.

Do drop their names/contact info

Thanks gais

1. First things first, would somebody mind reproducing the article here? It is behind a paywall.

2. Just taking the headline, I have this one observation: Seemingly, this guy arranged for his son to go study law in England, with that same son now working at his firm. Maybe he has finally engaged in some self reflection and realized how foolish this would make him look and that people were making fun of him for his hypocrisy?

Not sure on the discriminatory part. Depending upon the candidate and law school, most of the firms do have slightly differentiated payout to begin with. Post that its all performance driven without any distinction. If a candidate is not fine with his or her offered payout, they always have a choice to opt for another law firm. The same goes true for different practice areas within a firm. If someone believes that payout across cap mkt, M&A, VC practice is same in any top law firm across PQE levels, then thats not how it happens. But that doesnt mean there is discrimination by the concerned firm

https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/calcutta-high-court-orders-posh-committee-to-re-evaluate-nujs-professors-sexual-harassment-complaint-against-vice-chancellor

Very interesting that the VC was represented by the state law min's son. Maybe not surprising since the state govt wants NKC in the chair for the gravy train to continue.

The univ was represented by a close buddy of the AG (KD). Incidentally, it was this very advocate, who had been previously brought in by the great Lord Taluk to draft NUJS service rules (which never got made since 2000). Later this legal eagle helped NKC kill off all inquiries relating to dodgy promotions that took place after NKC took over as VC.

The big question is what will DD do in the EC on May 28, 2024? Will he duck and swerve, as he did with the DA case or will he really take a stand and follow what IIM Calcutta did to its director pending a full and thorough investigation?

More importantly, will DD remember how NUJS admin (then under PIB) diluted and buried the Justice (Retd) PN Sinha Inquiry that DD had initiated when he was in Cal HC; and also note how NKC ensured that the Inquiry Report is not exhumed? Or will he go by the advice of his silver tongued law college mates SS and KD?

SJA, still sleeping? Just like the gents who you "defeated"?

Does anyone have any info regarding the prospects of the new LL.M. in Intellectual Property Law and Management? will it be a better choice for non-NLU students looking for firm jobs in IP, what can be the use of studying management with it? what kind of jobs one can expect. PLS HELP!

I think Lucknow is a better choice, owing to the better infrastructure, connectivity and overall night life when compared to Allahabad.

I understand that due to the Principle seat of the HC being at Allahabad, it makes more sense to open an office there, but recently a PIL was filed by the Oudh Bar Association to fix the issue of jurisdiction, let's hope that many more law firms open their offices in Lucknow after the verdict.

Source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/lucknow-news/oudh-bar-association-to-again-raise-high-court-lucknow-bench-s-jurisdiction-issue-101701377233526.html