Hi OP here. I am hopeful for the place because what I've heard does align with your answer.

What I wish you could tell me is some specifics like who should I try to work under for a PPO, is there a PPT? /Research doc expected at the end of the internship and similar kind of questions if you get the gist. Would be really helpful.Thank you

Yes, He is stupid.

if you have a good 3bhk in Santacruz, Mine costs 3.5 cr in a decent society.

Buy two more of those for the same, you get 1.5 lakh in rent.

have 5 cr for children's education and weddings, 14 cr and maybe 1 extra in an emergency.

15 is enough even if you take an extremely safe way of buying houses for rental Income, reasonably Equity investor can be comfortable with a total corpus of 3-4 crore + house and 5 crore for family expenses ( which includes Harvard education for 2 kids if they choose otherwise or you limit this to Indian your cost will reduce by 4 cr)

If you are not aware of the faculty discontent at NLS, then you are either not a faculty here or you are Sudhir himself. If you are really interested, speak to faculty about the leave policy, about how Sudhir speaks down to his colleagues, about how he has put up a team of yes-men administrators who call the shots (to the extent Sudhir allows them) on policy matters instead of faculty members.

Yes people leave and move universities all the time. And yes people are leaving to do other things. But many are making the choice to move on instead of going on leave very much because of the place NLS is.

Just because some people over-criticise Sudhir on this website doesn't mean all criticism of him is misplaced.

Well, instead of making this fall under conventional slavery, I 'd rather use the term 'Modern Day Slavery'. Being a corp lawyer myself in a top law firm, excel sheets are my cotton field and passive aggressive emails are my daily dose of whipping. Corporate Law is a world that outsiders dream to be in. But having spent years in corp law firms, I can convincingly say that you will find a bunch of depressed chaps there, juggling multiple deadlines, sacrificing friends, family and sleep, all for what? No one knows.

There is actually no point of these discussions because these things can't be changed. Additionally it is not true that people only crush on attractive people; anyone could develop feelings for someone else and help them out. Some people even don't like the rich/posh because they find them elitist and assume they won't work hard.

Instead, as the other comment pointed out, focus on what is in your hands like hard work, discipline etc.

Cold emails - talk about your undying love for their publications and research area, show some relevant publications from your side, and if possible, get a LoR from your subject professor at Uni. A combination of this, along with repeated follow-ups will at least land you some decent professor. Use that RA ship to climb up the ladder, while working on the three factors mentioned earlier.

Above comment is correct. I know about these teams both in the US and India, as I have worked with them in committees of certain associations and as part of certain negotiations. While the people in the US teams are top-notch, the people hired in India are mostly mediocre products of mediocre universities, doing pretty terrible work. This is because:

a) Public policy as a field in India is still in its infancy and will take 20 more years to develop. Even then there is no guarantee things will improve, because of the lack of quality leaders and bureaucrats in India.

b) The current lot were early movers in the field, as it’s a space that the early generations of NLU grads/other top grads didn’t get into. So the PP field in India hasn’t seen an infusion of creative ideas by brilliant people. Some good people are joining now, but they are too young to make a difference and most leave after a couple of years to change careers or study/migrate abroad.

c) The work in India as such is terrible: copy-paste talking points prepared by bosses abroad and suck up to IAS officers from small towns who have poor domain knowledge and social awareness, and are also very corrupt, feudalistic and arrogant.

I think you are generalising a lot of things here, sir. Firstly, it's not the labour laws of Nehruvian Socialism that kept the country backward, but largely prevention of private enterprises to come up through law aka license raj. Secondly, weekly rest and reasonable work hours are essential for a healthy society and healthy families. Look at how Japan is collapsing as a nation, with government begging people to have babies and young workers paying firms to help them quit jobs. Sorry to say but the life in a law firm is not a healthy life to live and it's not that it is inevitable, it became such because the market did not find any incentive to make it more healthier lifestyle. Hence, government needs to step in because there is a limit to what market can do. Thirdly, I don't think long working hours is contributing to more money for the workers in as much as it is contributing to the economic inequality at the cost of health and well being of workers. Fourthly, every partner who comes here just says one thing: Don't whine, if you can't cope up, do something else. What we fail to understand is that in absence of regulation of work hours we will only race to the bottom. Today those who leave law firms move in- house and thankfully most in-house jobs have reasonable work hours. But what if it changes in future? What if the companies hire less people and give higher salaries. We are increasingly seeing that firms across fields are increasingly becoming more extreme (high pay-no wlb or peanuts with wlb). It's difficult to find the firms at the centre. Fifthly, the doom that you prophesied was also prophesied by the rich after industrial revolution and tbh it's prophesied with every pro labour government laws. Many of these dooms never actually take place. The market adapts. I am not saying that we can't destroy the market in name of labour rights, sure we can but this isn't that harmful for the economy even though it might mean lesser pay for workers and perhaps for senior management and employers. Remember India is a free market. All firm might have to keep the pay at same level, because few firms would choose to do the same even after these laws just to not lose talent. Lastly, forget about competing China, it is like Canada saying we need to beat US economy. We are okay with a bit of less GDP, if we can keep our sanity and rights.

Unfair or not, there are advantages

1. good health

2. intelligence

3. looks

4. amazing social skills

5. being driven

6. quick learner

7. great attention to detail

8. highly organized

9. superior quantitative aptitude

10. perseverance

There are thousands of possible advantages, acquire as many as you can

If you think being pretty is a privilege, how about you having access to internet and being able to write in English, there are people who don't have those privileges?

This sounds like facts and not idal, malicious speculation.

People, you do know that this is how good universities work? Or is this also such a newsflash? (I suspect not, as there are clear indications of bias in the OP's comment - "one thing he was doing right".) Faculty come and go (some on research leave, some for parental leave/other extenuating reasons, others (in the Indian context in particular) who haven't obtained doctorates to go and obtain them, some for careers elsewhere, either at other universities or even in other sectors). And you do know that moving institutions in established Higher Education sectors (e.g., UK) is considered to be a good thing? Don't believe me? Look at the criteria of the Leverhulme Trust for Early Career Researchers and other academics in Britain. Those criteria clearly say that they view moving institutions (unless certain specific exceptions apply) as a good thing.

It is the job of a good university to attract new and equally good (if not better) faculty than the ones who have gone (either temporarily or permanently).

God, anything for a hitjob on Sudhir. Even if the guy leaves the country and returns to Oxford, Buckingham or Columbia (or goes to some other non-Indian institution), the trolls of Legally India won't have done with him. Sudhir, oh Sudhir, why did you go back?

Thank you for your cogent and perceptive comment. It is unfortunate that people like Manmeet / Manan who have decades of experience, did not have the opportunity to consult you and drink your wisdom prior to taking such a decision. Had they the blessing of even a five minute conversation with you and the benefit of your penetrating intelligence, I am sure they would have chosen differently.

India”s oil production would have been more than enough had we been a decently populated country of 30 to 50 million people. But we are unfortunately an extremely overpopulated country of 1.3 billion people. Plus our solar, wind and nuclear energy output is to small. Thus, we have to import 80% of our oil. Any rise in oil prices means, inflation, weaker rupee and a lower GDP. So are we heading towards a recession ???

Since AIBE is an open book exam, I've seen people carry a big bundle of bare acts. Where do you buy them, is there an AIBE kit, so to speak? Is there any chance the BCI is providing them, given the fee (3500 + 80) they are charging for registration for the exam? Is there any use of these books afterwards? I've seen seniors leave them behind in various unlikely locations xD Why on earth is this process not digitized yet? Would save so much paper and money.

You are so naive. Manan's team at Indus at Indus used to get highest bonus as compared to any other team at Indus. Ask any A2 and above from that team and compare their salaries with similar PQE from other big firms including the so called highest paymaster Trilegal, you will see that earning of people at Indus was more than that of their counterparts in other firms. In Indus cap marks, there was something known as discretionary bonus over and above the annual package, and most of the people above A1, used to get a handsome money through this. THAT TOO with a far better work culture and flexibility.

The State Bar Council in Karnataka is still charging 6800 Rs under the garb of an "optional fee" which ironically is mandatory for all candidates to pay. This is in addition to the 750 Rs enrolment fee. Absolutely despicable behaviour on their part really. They're also charging 300Rs for the enrolment form, which is supposed to cost 50Rs. A candidate now still has to pay 750 + 6800 + 2000Rs (Judicial Stamp Paper) + 500Rs (Notarisation Charges) + 300Rs (Enrolment Form), which comes out to just under Rs 11,000.

Yesterday, scorecards of RJS were released. And people have scored 0/50, in English essay.

Another candidate got 2 marks, some got 3,4,5. At the same time, people getting 19-20 too and not getting selected.

We can't put domicile angle, bcz people from the state itself are getting these marks.

How can somebody get a zero, the one who cleared Prelims. Like, they must have atleast attempted the paper.

Is this corruption? I thought atleast RJS is fair, compared to GJ and other states, but then....

Can someone tell, If it's just strict checking, or again harsh reality to be accepted.

If my memory serves me right (which it does), isn’t it just adorable how Manmeet couldn’t wait to ditch Saraf after their little escape from Luthra? I mean, who needs loyalty when you can jump to a shiny new venture, right? It’s not like Saraf is barely keeping it together or anything. Classic! Serves the firm right after all.

Insiders, was it a sweet exit or any sour grapes? and I am hearing little chirps about another one coming soon?

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Something is really happening at CAM.. people like Manan and Manmeet literally ran the show at their old firms and has huge money with them as well. Still they chose to work under (and not with) Lalaji. Their freedom, their ways to run the practice would be curtailed to a significant extent.

Hello everyone,

I am a recent law graduate from the 2024 batch and I am looking to work at a law firm specializing in litigation, particularly Commercial Litigation. I graduated from an average college in Bangalore with fairly average marks. While I haven't interned at any Tier 1 law firms, I have gained experience working under reputed senior advocates and in Tier 2 law firms.

I understand that getting into a Tier 1 firm may not be immediately possible, but I believe I can secure a position in a Tier 2 law firm. Could anyone suggest Tier 2 law firms in any part of India that offer a decent pay and provide a good learning environment?

Very easily. Yes, you will have to work hard to bring yourself at par with your peers, but look an A1 isn’t expected to have much experience but have strong understanding of what they have done in the past. You just need to find the right partner who is looking at that.

I am a partner in a tier 1 firm, and jumped to M&A after doing projects (not M&A) for 5 years.

So speaking from experience.

I was lucky to have a great set of partners who hired me without any discount. But even if they do, you are here for the long haul. Does it matter if your peers made partner couple of years before you. When you are on the negotiating table and a partner, experience doesn’t matter. Skill matters. You could be a first year partner whopping an ass of a partner with

We know that attractive people enjoy certain privileges in every kind of setting. It is scientifically proven that beautiful people are more easily likeable. Have you seen this manifest in your workplace in a big or a small way like someone helping out their crush.

Also in societies like ours which are hierarchal, people treat rich people differently. Even in my experience, while I was interning somewhere in my first year, for some reason the boss thought I was rich and treated me nicely. I was there just for a month so I don't have enough experience. I'd like to hear ur thoughts on this too.

This post is not meant to demean anyone or cry about how the world is unfair. I am a student and I am just curious of how things work irl, so pls keep the discussion light :)

OP here. Very humbly - its still a papa run firm. Although, kudos to him how he turned things around, ran it like a through-and-through business, unlike how other papas / mummys do. But one major downside that at least I (in my opinion) have observed is that he treats people like resources (not saying it in a good way). That place has become very toxic (more than others, barring AZB probably). People who are working will understand.

You assume that they want to compete with foreign law firms. You compete when you have the vision to do something bigger than your existence, not when your entire existence is contingent on rent-seeking behaviour, nepotism and syncopancy. I am very young in this profession but I can tell you one thing for sure; competency and merit are certainly not virtues in law. It is one profession in which incompetent people find it easier to surge ahead. Also, India generally is not a meritocratic country- The mediocre rule the roost everywhere. Exceptions exist, but those are just that pretty much- exceptions.