Agree completely with the statement that Indus was building a great firm, and lost the plot completely - the management needs to introspect and take steps to ensure that they are not in a rebuilding phase every few years. In projects, Avirup left, and Arun and Deepak stepped in/stepped up to build a good practice – now they are leaving, and Indus is back to where it began. Same story in Mumbai.

What is the average salary for an Assistant Professor at NLSIU, particularly at a mid-level? I understand that Assistant Professors are placed at Pay Level 10, with a basic pay range of ₹57,700 to ₹1,82,400 per month, but I’m looking for ballpark figures. Given that I have 5 years of PQE, an LLM degree, and significant research experience, what might I expect in terms of total monthly remuneration, including allowances?

NLS is merely addressing a symptom, which is its own creation.

First, tutorials are needed BECAUSE it has a humongous batch size. Tutorials are not required if batch sizes are smaller (say around 40ish).

Second, generally, tutorials are usually conducted by new Assistant Professors or Ph.D. students, not by senior faculty.

There is no need to eulogize anyone for trying to solve a problem that is an outcome of its own policies.

I am from the 2025 batch (Non-NLU) and I have received a PPO in July from a Tier-1 law firm in the Projects Team.

I thought that after getting a PPO I will chill, party hard and socialise with people around but it has been three months and I am bored and I feel I am getting rusty.

Since I will be joining the firm next year around July/ August (2025), I want you all to suggest something to pursue career wise. I am done with travelling and partying and I want to utilise my time effectively to further strengthen my career prospects.

I don’t want to do CS. Thinking of CFA but does it make sense? Please suggest me something.

Guys from 2025 batch, what are your plans for the free time?

It doesn’t. Had a batch rank of 35 from a Non-NLU and was the first one in my batch to get a PPO from a T-1 law form this July.

Although my grades were average, my mooting was exceptional. Won really reputed moots and had decent publications. More than day, my team was in-general very impressed of my candidature based on my day to day interaction.

Hence, my whole team pushed for my PPO.

Once again, Sudhir shows how he is way ahead of other VCs and how NLSIU is war ahead of other NLUs. But note that it’s only possible to do this because he has recruited excellent faculty. At other NLUs, the students know more than the teachers and the students should be conducting tutorials for faculty!

Am not into a law firm but an experienced in-houser.

Please rethink about criminal litigation - if for nothing else than the single reason that our Court's physical infrastructure is extremely pathetic for females. Most Courts don't even have clean wash-rooms (& am guessing that female wash-rooms are as bad as men's).

Salary and power-structures - others here have already commented well.

White collar crime/ POSH/ advisory may be a more appropriate and financially rewarding route.

Mod, before putting the contested tag on every post, learn to practice a little diligence yourself. Here's what Debroy himself had admitted.

https://www.theweek.in/theweek/cover/2022/05/20/i-have-been-walking-around-with-a-letter-of-resignation-says-bibek-debroy.html

It clearly mentions the Cambridge event and his own criticism of his actions.

The ‘replacements’ are not a scratch on the people and their teams that were there. This is a beginning but it’s going to take a very long time. The management hopefully is introspecting on how they are in this position and not make the same mistakes. The CMS tie up is a bandaid but not the cure.

Y'all are only on here whinging about how you dont get mentorship and face time with professors- and when something is done to help you get closer supervision and help you form those relationships you complain. What do you want? You want AKT or MS or whoever to hang out in your dorms?

why would anyone hire you if you can only rely on AI for your work? Why hire ten people to draft contracts and draft notes and draft submissions to courts and governmental bodies when companies can buy AI that does it for them?

Do you think anyone will hire an accountant or an economist or a statistician or a physicist or an engineer who cannot do long division without a calculator?

Do you think anyone will hire a musician who cannot play instruments and or write songs and can only recycle what others have done through an AI program?

Or doctors who cannot diagnose or treat without running to AI?

I get that students are lazy- but when you cheat this way- youre only cheating yourself out of an education. Suit is ridiculous, should be thrown out of court.

Creating this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/notlegallyindia/s/yLjLLUFziw

Please be candid but mindful that you dont spready any baseless rumours.

Second year is too early to know what you like. Everyone likes crim at first but after your first internship you may decide it is not for you. See if you can intern with the litigation team of a major firm. That way you are in touch with litigation but have the security of a salary. Your allies will be your classmates, seniors and people who work with you. A lot less people have contacts than you think. Try to make a good impression and be a decent human being. Keep an eye out for other decent human beings who will support you and speak up for you. This starts from the internship.

This email was sent today to everyone at Jindal today by Prof R Sudarshan. The mail debunks the lies being spread by both wokes and BJP supporters (the former claiming that Prof Debroy failed his PhD and the latter claiming that Sonia Gandhi sacked him after he praised Gujarat).

Bibek, Ratna, and I have been friends since our Cambridge days 1977-1982. I accompanied Bibek to Clare College when he had his PhD viva. Ravi Kanbur, an external examiner from Oxford, asked Bibek to add a chapter to his thesis on information theory to illustrate its application to something more recognisably economics, in addition to examples of dowry market equilibrium conditions in India, information implications of Mao’s policy of making intellectuals help farmers to build furnaces, and another similar esoteric example I can’t remember.

Bibek, whose thesis had been praised by his supervisor, the great Frank Hahn, did not think Kanbur was fit to examine it. He opted for an MSc and refused revision. He was in a class of his own, with a fantastic breadth of eclectic interests. I worked closely with him from 1993 to 1998 on a UNDP-supported project. The $1 million project I managed was relatively large, so we created an acronym for a large project: Legal Adjustments and Reforms for a Globalising Economy (LARGE). After he completed that project, Bibek joined the Rajiv Gandhi Institute of Contemporary Studies at Manmohan Singh's prompting. Bibek and I organised inter-school debates, starting with NCR Delhi, then nationally and with South Asian entrants, in memory of Mahbub ul Haq. Bibek wrote a report on states that put Gujarat at the top of India’s states on the dimension of ‘ease of doing business’.

When the Chief Minister of Gujarat gloated about it, many Congress netas (but not Sonia Gandhi, as he told me then) were unhappy with him. Bibek felt that he had to quit. He joined the PHD Chamber of Commerce, which was lucky for him. There, he met Suparna. She transformed a somewhat self-effacing and eccentric person into someone worthy of joining the Delhi Durbar. Prime Minister Modi respected him as a Raja Rishi for his knowledge of the Itihasas, Vedas, and Puranas. I don’t think the PM took Bibek’s advice on economic policies, instead of expecting him to defend some bad ones. Individuals like Bibek get better with age, like whisky, wine and temple idols. That’s why it is such a loss to so many that he passed away so soon. I cherish fond memories of the time I could spend with him (much less after he teamed up with the PM). Bibek was inspiring, educative, and provoking to everyone who knew him. The grief of each of us is unique.

It is not only Manan and Avik. Several other stellar partners like Manish, Ravi Kumar, Anindya and Arun left recently. Indus has to get replacements for all these rainmakers with partners with books. Also, not too many partners are now in the firm who are great rainmakers. So let's wait and watch.

Hi, I am a life science graduate looking to pursue career in IPR. I am an absolute novice in this field. What are some good learning centers to crack patent agent exam?

1. Institute of Patent Attorneys India (IPAI),

2. Institute Academy of Law and Management (IALM),

3. IIPTA (Indian Institute of Patent and Trade Mark Attorneys)

are a few that I have heard of. Are these good?

All suggestions are welcome.

Hello People,

I am a final year student from a shit college in Mumbai, a few months ago I somehow got into a T1 firm and had a really amazing experience. I built a great rapport with the team and the partner there but due to my shit luck, the partner told me he finished hiring for my year and asked if I’m interested in any other firm and I said yes. He now spoke to a parter at another firm and recommended me there. Now, this firm is infamous for its toxicity and attrition and I am not really sure if I will have a great experience or if I can do my best there, Do y’all think this will affect my rapport with the previous partner? How do I go about this, please guide.

Firstly, serving judges cannot appear for ADJ exams. Cannot move to other state without resigning from service. Also, the work experience does not count towards litigation so not eligible for ADJ cadre.

Secondly, the nearby home posting is temporary and one has to work in every nook and corners of the state. Why do you think people prefer DJS. This is the only benefit in DJS now after 2nd NJPC

I think you are a law student who is enamored by law firm salaries.

Ill give you a clear picture.

yes, super Senior advocates (designated) (in their 70s), at some high courts, and these people are less than 50 per HC, make 20 crores an year.

The most senior equity partners in India at T1 law firms make 10-12 crores an year. Managing partners make 25-30. All this is before tax, and tax is a LOT here.

26 crores is not a "small change", not even a manageable charge. Maybe manageable for Harish Salve and 3-4 other SAs. Not a small charge even for them. Maybe it is for the promoters of top indian companies and superstar actors and top cricketers. But 26 crores is not a small charge for any human being, its a huge deal. Maybe just in your mind, dont worry you would never get there. Keep dreaming.

Did you assume judges in court vacations enjoy foreign vacations? The vacation is from judicial duties, not administrative.

What you have written is a story of more admin positions in the govt. Judges/ civil servants/ armed forces/ secretariat. Did you not know that you cant expect a easy lifestyle at such positions? Its equally demanding as corporate. Not as much as T1 firms and not as boring though.

What sort of "political interferance" is a 5 yr civil judge facing?

Hey your concerns are ABSOLUTELY valid and this field definitely is cut-throat, however you are just in your first year. As of yet you cant really contribute much and neither will firms or senior advocates take first years. Try exploring different areas during your internship breaks. Small litigation firms and Human rights commissions take in a lot of first and second years. Try applying to small boutique law firms from your second year onwards. But apart from internships your grades MATTER, they matter a lot, focus on them equally and maintain a decent GPA to be able to sit for and grab good placements as well as good internships for PPOs.

Hi OP,

Firstly calm down. Unemployment is bad, yes, but not the end of anything. Id suggest the following

1. Get off the internet and completely focus on academics. Just ace your future exams even if theres one year or whatever. You should score 90s if you start now.

2. Start mailing T2 and T3 firms, especially local ones. Mail partners but please use formal email etiquette. Start applying to chambers as well for long term internships you can pursue alongside studies.

3. Do not waste your time with publications. A paper written by a law student with no bar license is of no consequence and will only take away focus from your academics. Ofcourse, if you publish in Cambridge and the likes, its different. i hope you catch my drift.

4. Please practice meditation and exercise your body well in your free time. Please look out for loved ones.

5. Start making connections, learn conversational skills. Speak to seniors, get contacts of their seniors. These people are your final option at a reference before hiring concludes.

6. Prepare for government exams. I dont mean UPSC. There are several, many limited to law grads. Not gonna name drop and spoon feed for you.

7. Practice soft skills. Cooking/ driving etc. They are decent paying jobs in there.

8. Dont listen to people saying loosers should not choose. Please keep options ready.

9. Dont waste time on LLMs/ PHDs unless academia is your passion.

10. Dont lie. Ever.

It depends on the firm. If you havent already performed really well in your internship and end presentations, the batch rank and GPA are the only evaluable statistic available. Do NOT mistake this for the other way round, unless you have the former, and stellar at that, even a Rank 1 wont save you. If you have excellant feedback, a good rank is a positive FACTOR in the PPO interviews. If it isnt, be prepared for questions like - Why is your batch rank so low? Why is your academics lacking?. If you have good feedback, this WONT matter so as to get you rejected, even if you're rank is below average. A back 10 rank is a red flag considering you may not clear the course though.

Exceptions- CAM, TT&A, Saraf and SAM are pedantic about grades at all fresher interactions. Even S&R but its wierd. Even with good feedback, they largely care a hell lot about grades, in the order of firms mentioned. However, you quickly realise once you join these firms, how that attitude affects work life and pay, how they are ruthless and not in a good interesting challenging way, but heart attack risky way.

I may be wrong and correct me on this, but Trilegal and Khaitan arent so anal about batch ranks. However, their interviews are significantly gruelling. The firms mentioned before have relatively simpler rounds. Or round.

JSA and the others are as arbitrary as you can get on fresher recruitments, so I would like insiders to give comments.

AFAIK ICUL is also particular about grades, but noone ends up choosing them. AZB largely does not care as much in comparison but is exceptionally toxic nevertheless.

Please be content that this is limited to fresher recruitment. If you have even 6 months of experience in a corporate practice areas, just see how doors open up. HRs literally cold mail and irritate people at A3-4 levels, SA levels. PA+ levels always have vacancies everywhere honestly. i know people with three digit ranks, who flunked years, worked up their way through T3 firms and are equity partners at T1 firms like CAM and SAM, literally employing others under them and making insane money. I suggest you politely mail such people, and I cannot stress politely enough, for help. But they can only open internship ops/ assessment ops for you, you still have to work hard enough than others with better ranks, and work your ass off better than any associate. Dress well, speak well, communicate with seniors and make a really good impression, and no batch rank or college will stop you.

Nls is instituting a tutorial system, with 1 prof and 10 students, and multiple mandatory activities such as reflective papers, presentations, etc. within these office hours, on top of existing class requirements? This feels way too rigorous. Our syllabus and existing evaluation (projects, midterms + endterms, presentations, class participation) and other activities (negos, moots, publications) are anyway so hectic. This is a pilot project but still so rough.

Hey, Congratulations on securing a PPO!!! Can you PLEASE shed some light on what how to go about getting one? It depends on a lot of external factors of course but other than that what can one do to maximize their chances of landing one? Does interning during off season months help? Having publications in that area or building a decent rapport with your partner? I just need a rough guide of tips and things to keep in mind for upcoming internships any insight would be greatly appreciated. CONGRATS AGAIN !!

Very significant case because in the future students will rely only on AI for work. By the time Gen Alpha enters law schools, in 2027, AI will already have made huge progress.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/llm-student-sues-jindal-global-law-school-failing-him-ai-generated-exam-submission

excuse me, but the greenest would be shillong hands down. nlu meg all the way. its literally housed in a converted summer palace of the raja of mayurbhanj (yes, mayurbhanj in orissa). the estate is spacious, a top a hill, within city limits, and with salubrious climate.

unlike most nlus which are all pretty much new buildings of the last 10-30 years, the mayurbhanj complex is atleast a century old, if not older. it also use to house, iim shillong and the north eastern hill university (nehu).

it'll be disappointing when the nlu shifts to its new greenfield township in shilong, situated in 65 acre campus in the next few years, where all infra development lately such as the iim, have all been none but fabricated glass and steel facade.

He is also the son of Arun Jaitley.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/sports/cricket/story/bcci-secretary-jay-shah-replacement-rohan-jaitley-vs-anil-patel-2627714-2024-11-04

Whether you’re on the hiring side or the candidate side, each step reveals a lot about the legal standards and expectations. Let’s dive into it together!

- For hiring managers and recruiters: What specific skills and traits do you look for in disputes candidates? Are there particular qualities or experiences that make someone stand out at a Tier-1 level? Share any insights about navigating the high expectations that come with finding top-tier legal talent.
- For candidates and interviewees: What was your interview process like? How did you apply? What advice would you offer to those hoping to enter this space?

I was an assessment intern at (x) firm tier 2 for 3 months .But unfortunately couldn't convert it .

Can any senior please help to secure internship or job. I am a law graduate from good law school but non- nlu. If anyone can provide any help : please connect at helpnk9@ gmail.com. I humbly request to please connect.

1. You are in first year! There's time for development, evolving etc. You may not have a specific interest at all and may take anywhere between a semester, to a year to three years to find your niche, you may have an interest and over the course of time find that it isn't a flash in the pan and is the right thing for you, you may have an interest but end up trying something related or even different (and maybe even something you thought wouldn't interest you) and find that actually even that other thing interests you a lot so you end up combining both interests or you may find that the thing that you thought would interest you is actually a bit meh and may become interested in something else. So yes, this is the time to try as many things as you can. If you have an interest in something from the beginning and know from evidence/experience it will work out, great! Go ahead and pursue that with all your heart! At the same time, you could try lots of things and take longer to find your niche area; even if you do know 100% that something is for you, try some other things and see if they might not work as well. That's also wonderful! People with both types of trajectories have had equally successful careers.

2. However, I would say that there is a difference between trying lots of things and drifting. Don't just do things aimlessly for the sake of doing them. Do them with a view to learning something and asking if you think it's likely to give more life satisfaction.

3. Gradually, understand what you want to specialise in. By the time you are done with your degree, you should have a reasonably clear idea what area(s) of law are of your interests and which aren't.

4. If academia is what you are going for, use the last year or so of your UG law degree to build on your area of interest. Especially if you are looking at any kind of further study in the UK and some other countries, they will want evidence of a clear understanding of what your interests are and that you have followed-up on those.

5. Then use up your LLM to deeply specialise in your area(s) of interest - especially in academia, having just one area of interest can be a bit boring for your entire life.

6. Your PhD is to be used to hyperspecialise in one thing.

If you think you were competent enough they wouldn't have rejected your ppo basis your rank. Stop BS and I pray you get what you deserve.

HRs: I get it that you don't want to vet CVs; ensure policies are enforced; deal with toxicity etc etc. But atleast do this. DO SOMETHING YOURE GETTING PAID. The amount of kids who forge certificates and do shit like this and get away because HRs here are just email managers who forward emails here and there.

Average: I'd say less.

But when you compare you need to take the sheer number of jobs available. Hardly 20-25 people per t1 across the entire country are selected and get 16-20LPA whereas engineering firms take 100-120 people offering all of them 15LPA. In top IITs the average is 15LPA not the highest.

I went with corporate to save myself this headache of earning 15k per month after 5 years of education. Can't be bothered with it man; the peer pressure the fomo self doubt everything comes with it. And if salary is an imp factor then it really is a no brainer. If you do choose to do litigation your parents will need to support you for an additional year or two maybe more.

You know why are they here; cause NLS pays as per 7th CPC, gives decent benefits and subsidies their stay in a top metro like Bangalore. Plus they teach for only 6 hours a week and are free to do whatever they want apart from that. Which Indian institute gives you such freedom? At places like JNU, Ashoka etc the expectations are much higher.

The VC of NLSIU, without meaning to, explains why very well indeed (he dropped this nugget of wisdom in another context). As he says, the "structure" of the Indian legal profession vs. that of England or the U.S. is that in those jurisdictions, the barrier to entry is very high, whereas in India, not so much. This means that the career option you describe is like the softball option - if you swing it and it too hits you in the dick, that is considered to be proof beyond reasonable doubt that you are dumb. I mean it's classic when you don't get placements in law firms, foreign LLMs etc: "Go for litigation" or "Go for UPSC/judiciary". Until we can get that mindset to change among the top law school students, nothing ever will change. Other issues re local language etc are also valid, of course.