What is the purpose of this charade of oh we care about student learning when the marking is random anyway. Most people just mark their pet students well, while others are given average marks regardless of one putting in the requisite effort. Might as well save us from these optics of 'caring' about student learning and being fair when they clearly aren't.

Don't agree with this analysis when it comes to law firms! Just look around and see how many law firms are not in the fancy area/popular area.. Irrespective of the cost and hassles associated with popular localities in big cities, law firms will be concentrated in certain areas.

For example, I have not seen big/upcoming law firms having their offices in West Delhi, East Delhi or North Delhi. Most are concentrated either in Central Delhi or South Delhi.

In case of Mumbai, you will see law firms in South Bombay and few in BKC. Apart from ICUL, not sure if any famous/prominent firm has office which are north of BKC.

All this is because law firms are heavy brand dependent and that gets diluted if you are not is fancy locality. No one cares how the team commutes and issues faced by them.

To answer the main thread, I think the overpopulation is definitely causing major issues and gravity of such issues are increasing with time. Delhi still has good public transport due to Metro (but last mile connectivity is not that great). Mumbai has been in construction forever (like Delhi has about 25 years back around Commonwealth games). Overall city infrastructure, does not justify rent of residential properties. Add to that pollution (which now is also increasing in Tier 2, 3, 4 cities) is just killing people.

Government does not appear to have done enough. In case of Delhi, centre and state blame each other or neighboring states, but cities like Mumbai (which has a rich municipality, state coffers, complete power) are also not looking to improve the quality of air and quality of life.

I'm a 26-year-old first-generation woman lawyer from a Tier-3 National Law University, with almost a year of experience as an in-house counsel at a company in Mumbai. My family is based in a Tier-2 city with a High Court. They have been encouraging me to switch to litigation. They feel that litigation would provide a more socially engaging role, and since financial stability isn't a concern, they think it's an ideal move. They are ready to support me fully until I establish myself.

I would appreciate insights from other first-generation advocates to help me consider this shift. Specifically:

1. How long should I work under a senior advocate before starting independently?
2. What strategies would be most effective to gain traction as an independent practitioner, especially as a newcomer to litigation?
3. Would you recommend switching from in-house counsel to litigation, and why?

I’d be grateful for any advice. Thanks!

I have lectures for only 2 hours in my final semester after which I got nothing much to do. My team suggested that I join back whenever I am done with my break. I have a good set of co-interns in the office, decent working hours and I like my daily dose of interaction. It is fun to work on a practice area you like with a job in hand and no monthly billing targets hanging over your head. I feel this way, I’ll keep myself occupied in a positive way.

My family is financially well off but it is awkward for me to bug them for money especially for my outings, movies, dinners, shopping etc. Yeah, so i am fairly motivated for the 20k stipend. I use it to buy whatever that makes me happy :)

wont get worse imo, India realises this and is expanding. Firms are opening shops in smaller cities even though as of now those offices are dirt small but Mumbai and Delhi are both expanding further wide into NCR and Navi Mumbai and Third Mumbai which will both get bigger with an airport and the proposed tax breaks to the region from the state government which might move jobs there to help along with building up and increasing FSI and also infra projects to reduce overcrowding.

It is bad rn but steps are being taken to cure it for the first time ever so lets hope

No they won’t. They don’t care about womens sports. Everyone knew this when the IBA released its correspondence and reports in august and idiots dismissed it as “Russian disinformation” - as if Russia would have any reason to care about the womens welterweight Olympic medal. And now it’s French authorities and no one will still care.

He has balls and a micro penis but people will still screech about “misgendering” and “oh this is just right wing propaganda “ rather than admit that their own misogyny.

I am honestly glad that Chandu made it a point to criticise him the way he did. Because if not, liberals like me would have always belived that maybe circumstances didn't allow him to do things the right way. But no. Chandu never did them because he never wanted to, not because he couldn't.

oh, to be trolled by your own counterparts

https://www.livelaw.in/supreme-court/justices-nagarathna-dhulia-object-to-cji-chandrachuds-remarks-against-justice-krishna-iyer-274280

to oppose his economic theory is one thing, but to call his intent into question is a whole different problem.

Hello everyone,

I’m a 26-year-old advocate with six months of experience in criminal and civil litigation. Here’s a bit about my background:

Academics: Scored 9 CGPA in 10th, 70% in 12th, and 60% in LLB from Delhi University. Since DU’s grading doesn’t go much higher than 68-69%, I’m a bit stuck at this percentage.

Experience: Mostly criminal litigation with senior advocates, but I haven’t gained any corporate law experience so far.

Possible Certifications: Open to adding a CFA or other relevant credentials if it’d make me more competitive in finance or consulting.

Why I’m Considering an MBA

1. Better Earning Potential: The financial outlook with an MBA is appealing.

2. Tough Competition in Law: Being a DU grad rather than from a top NLU, it feels like a steep climb to get into T1 firms, especially with the intense competition.

3. First-Gen Lawyer: As a first-generation lawyer, I sometimes feel isolated without the family connections and backing that others from my college seem to have.

Seeking Advice

1. Leveraging My Law Degree: Is there a way to make my LLB from DU work better for me? Could tax law or another specialized legal area provide more growth?

2. Alternative Certifications: Would adding a CFA or similar help bridge the gap if I do decide to transition to consulting/finance?

3. MBA Feasibility: From a legal perspective, is the shift to an MBA sensible? Would an MBA help open doors that my law degree alone might not?

I’d appreciate any advice on how to maximize the value of my law degree in today’s market, or if pursuing an MBA is a more strategic move. Thanks in advance!

Assistant Professor entry level: Around 12 lpa.

Assistant Professor Senior Scale (that's what you can probably get if the five years of experience of yours has been as a full time AP at any university) entry level: Around 16 lpa

Assistant Professor Selection Grade entry level: Around 20 lpa

Associate Professor entry level: Around 25 lpa

Professor entry level: Around 30 lpa

It is possible that he likes you but you are currently a risky hire. Sometimes people give you a chance by sending you somewhere where you can learn what you need to. Go to the toxic firm, work hard. Keep the connection and send updates and then maybe you will get hired there in the future. Toxic firms can be good training if you focus on learning instead of politics and leave in a couple of years.

I really don’t understand the idea of joining the law firm as an intern after you got the PPO.

Interns have one primary motivations to perform well- To get a job. When you already have one, how would feel motivated to work as an intern for 10-15K when you will be earning 1-1.5L as an associate. I thought of interning too, but I was like- Kyu intern ban na hai jab associate ban na wala hoon😂

That’s my psychology. Take me through your psychology as to why you want to intern.

I would beg to differ. If I start making a list of relevant legislations, rules and notifications- Legally India would crash in a jiffy. More laws than GC A0 deals with. Give, you get exposure at firms like CAM/KCO/TRI.

Apart from law, this field is too technical- application of physics (energy law aspects, construction technicalities ) and chemistry (minning laws + petroleum law + so many). That’s the reason we have so few projects lawyers- almost everyone trying to leave before they enter.

If it doesn’t kill you, it makes you stronger.

I have worked extensively in Projects (most of my internships) and I find the complexity challenging. Fortunately, I was given almost associate like work and I knew what I am getting into.

I am into projects and project finance for long, that’s for sure. If you have any suggestions, do let me know.

I am absolutely appalled. Tutorials not required?? Tutorials can be a very good way to assess students' learning and progress. Batch sizes have nothing whatsoever to do with whether there is a tutorial system or not. And if the tutor is good, what stage of the career they are at (as long as they have completed at least an LLM) is a matter of no consequence, only the cheapest of cheap mentalities would suppose so.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/other-sports/story/india-makes-formal-bid-to-host-2036-olympics-2628363-2024-11-05

According to Wikipedia, other confirmed bidders are Nusantara, Istanbul and Santiago. India still hasn't specified which city will be the venue, but most probably Ahmedabad.

I had worked at a smaller law firm for 6 months and then got an offer from a team at a tier 1. My salary was not at the same level as my peers in the tier 1 during probation, however, I had negotiated that subject to my performance during the probation period, at the time of confirmation I would like my salary and designation to be matched to my batchmates working in the same team.

I have got my confirmation and I’m not at the same salary and band as my batchmates. You may have to take a hit for the first 6 months, but that will still be way more than what you would be making at the tier 3 firm. In the long run however, you will be at the same band and salary package as your batchmates I.e people with the same PQE, and that’s what is most important.

The thing is, this partner told me I have to do a mandatory internship before he pulls the trigger on hiring. What I’m scared of is not doing well in the internship itself, I’ve done internships at places similar to this and my performance there was not that great due to how much the associates there berate me for not knowing things in my 3rd year of law school lol. If this place is also like that, I am pretty fucked lol.

your hatred for J Iyer is quite apparent. But he will always be the guy who did not sell his spine at the hands of tyrants. Read how Indu bai brought emergency & how Iyer was invloved.. or read what he has written in Maneka...
It is fine to reject or overrule some his judgments but J Iyer will always be someone to idolise. Even though his political opinions were quite apparent.
Likes of puny Chandu, Lallu, Ramu, Bobda, Gogwa, Jaggu, Rubela, Sanju, Arun can never match that. These buggers will be trolled hard for their infamy. & people like Iyer, Nariman, BK Mukharjee, HR Khanna will be revered & followed.
In the long run, knowledge or intelligence or even hard work will not matter for these posts.. only integrity will..

As a first gen non-NLU grad, I was considering to buy the SAMA course and start doing some work on their platform. I could not find enough information to evaluate if I would be able to recover my course fee back and would that experience help me in landing some job in long-term. Can anyone throw light on what approximate amount an average fresh grad can expect if one is diligent enough to work for 7-9 hours a day.

except DJS, no other state service guarantees you a life in metropolitan areas for the entire 25-30 years & states like rajasthan, UP still use hindi in district judiciary. Though, there are manyyy officers in state judiciary from NLUs still (and its increasing, I personally know of a friend's sister, graduated from NLS and has been appearing for rajasthan). This is not the profession that is spoken about on linkedin or legallyindia.

As long as BJP held all the power Arghya was pro-BJP. Now that he has to cosy up to others he is writing things that he can show them to say he is neutral. This also helps him convince international liberals to continue to be his friends. You have nothing to lose by slamming a CJI whose term has ended and everything to gain.

im currently interning in their arbitration team (mumbai). They don't give work regularly plus they require you to update their intern worksheet everyday even when work is not allotted to you which i find very annoying. intern only if you want to make your cv look good/want their name to be on your cv. work wise it is not worth it, they sometimes ask you to write articles irrespective of you being in 4th/5th year.

I have. It makes you a better lawyer and professional. Compared to almost every other law school in the country. If you think that you can't handle that, then leave and join somewhere else. Law schools in India don't require a fraction of the effort that they should, which accounts for the generally pathetic quality of legal professionals in the country.

Exactly. The researcher doesn't get to choose the examiner. If the university and the supervisor have chosen someone to evaluate the thesis and that person asks for a revision and the researcher doesn't do it, then the thesis fails its test. It's really as simple as that. What his friend or colleague thinks about his brilliance is not relevant in this context. It's not as if the fellow who has written the email was deemed worthy of examining the thesis. As for Kanbur being a follower of Sen, that is precisely why people from different schools are called upon as thesis examiners so that they can highlight its flaws and not merely become part of the same echo chamber. Did the university or the supervisor think Kanbur's comments were unjustified? But of course that doesn't suit the Bhakt ideology or narratives.

Taking about HPJS Exam:

Less number of seats with high competition.

Don't "aim" for it, just try to focus on other states and keep it a secondary target. Uttrakhand I found better.

UK, has more seats and the syllabus is also not that vast.

One tip: Don't look for "How is judiciary as a career option", I'm sure that you know how it's, just beleive yourself. And prepare. Bcz getting one seat is the task, ultimately it's totally worth it.

And in my opinion, Judiciary is more prestigious, satisfying, and superior than a high paid corporate clerk. Bcz here, one will do something for the society, for themselves.

Ultimately, it's all on you.

Hey if you're from a Tier 1.5 NLU, you've got way better options than throwing yourself into the hellhole that is litigation in Delhi, especially as a junior. Spending years in a senior counsel's chamber might sound glamorous, but in reality, it’s all grueling hours, low pay (if you get paid at all), and barely any recognition. Firm jobs will actually reward you for your degree and give you a much clearer path to success without having to "network" your way into every opportunity. Litigation is a long game with no guarantees, and unless you’re truly obsessed, a firm will give you way more in terms of career growth and stability.

Hey! Fellow Tier 1 soon to be litigator here! I also had a similar plan, so here are a few things I’ve picked up from seniors who’ve made it work in Delhi:

1. Chamber Route is Legit - Joining a senior counsel's chamber is actually a great way to start. It’ll give you direct exposure to the court process, help you build solid research and drafting skills, and (most importantly) get you networked in the Delhi circuit. Many successful litigators I know started with 1-2 years under a well-known senior, then either joined bigger teams or started building their own practice.
2. Pick Your Senior Wisely - Try to join a chamber where the senior counsel is actually active in court and has substantial matters. Big name isn’t everything—what matters is the variety and complexity of cases. It’ll be grueling, but the learning curve is steep and very rewarding.
3. Network, Network, Network - Delhi litigation circles are all about who you know, and most seniors will connect you with others if they like your work. Attend as many bar association events as possible, and make friends with the AORs (Advocates on Record) and briefing counsel you meet. Over time, these connections will really help when you want to start taking on your own cases.
4. Stipends & Being Broke - Be ready for low stipends, especially in your first five years or so. If finances are tight, maybe start with a more stable legal job (like research or an AOR’s office) before jumping into a chamber. While in college, focus on sharpening drafting, research, and court procedure skills. Intern as much as possible with litigators to get a hang of things. It's pretty different from corporate work, so every bit helps.
5.
6. If chamber life doesn’t pan out, try exploring smaller boutique litigation firms. They often work closely with big chambers but can offer better structure, mentoring, and pay.
7. Good luck!

I gained a lot of weight from stress eating and the constant interning to get my job. I'm hoping to lose all the weight I had gained. Also I think this is the only phase in my life that I can actually devote 2-3 hours everyday in the gym / sports. I also plan to smoke a whole lot of j while I'm at it and not overcomplicate shit.

I have heard the same. If this is a Disputes internship, I think the work would obviously be less in December owing to the Winter Break atleast in the Bom HC(not sure about the others). Teams generally work on matters scheduled for Jan/Feb, take up on client meetings/counsel briefings/ have arb/medn. etc. So the usual hustle and juggling of multiple matters, rushing to court, keeping up with the Causelist/DB is not there. Also, many partners go for a vacation in this period. My partner had a tendency to go on a break during this time due to which I was warned not to opt for an assessment in this period as you will not get the CHANCE to be assessed/ evaluated properly unless it was pre-decided or your work was already evaluated.

I face a similar problem. I have a PPO from a practice area for which it is T1 and have my exams in Nov. I will be taking the entire month of December as a break before I join my team as an intern for the last semester. That way, I will be able to stay in touch, keep myself occupied and also earn some money as stipend (feels sweeter to spend your weekends with this). Will mostly take a break again in March end and then I plan to join in June/July 2025 ( have to finalise this) . I plan / aim to write atleast one decent article / paper in this gap and study the allied laws as well.

Making a recommendation and a connect is a small favor and nothing any mature person would hold a grudge for, if it doesn’t work out. Make your decision on objective facts as you are aware of them and diligence. Based on your decision write a thank you note (a small gift totally optional - sweets/ pen/ or cuff links - if you can easily afford - otherwise a well thought out card is enough). Thank them for thinking of you, mentoring you and providing the opportunity. Explain the rationale for your decision in kind words - don’t call the other partner / firm toxic etc and mention your next steps. Say you look forward to being in touch and to please keep you in mind for future opportunities in their team.

There's a strong clique that dominates the Supreme Court Bar, and this clique is vociferously anti-BJP + Modi. Make no mistake, they have no patience for moderates either. Watching Chandru do puja with Modi put Chandru in the same shitlist as the Late Pranab Mukherjee in their eyes. His Ayodhya judgment and divine revelation were the final nails in his liberal coffin

You should give up your llb degree and never even think of practising if you believe that a tamil judge could be trained in hindi and he would be able to understand the intricasies of regional dialects more than a local. That would ruin our judicial system. Also don't bring ias/ips here, this country is a third world nation because of trash bureaucracy. We don't need third class judges too.

Get a hobby (picking up a reading-for-pleasure habit, learning a musical instrument etc.). My friend in England who got a TC offer from Links in the second year of a three year LLB that only became valid once she completed her LLB and SQE used the final year of her law degree to resume her hobby of chess and play competitively in her uni chess team against other unis. Try something like that.

Maybe also explore other options. Perhaps you might want to do further study to some extent after a few years of working, either for purposes of career shift or for some other reason. How will that work?

You could also revise your basics so you have a strong grasp on the black letter law when you go in. Oh and obviously, study and do well in your final exams!