So confused and so much rage against women. What is female quota privilege exactly? Can we all have some please. All us snakes and snake aspirants. Now we have "feminine men" also. I don't think anyone would describe male shouting as feminine but you do you.

The namecalling is cute. Also a bit hormonal no? Breathe. Women are everywhere. If they make you so angry, your blood pressure will not survive it.

Agree! But the job application process is extremely hopeless—the HR never replies. Second, calls regarding an update to the application are never answered, and they are always replied to with _ "I will get back to you"—but nobody actually ever gets back!!!!

Now coming on point to meet at a conference, very humbly, do u even realize that the chance to approach a partner at a conference is rare plus these conferences where partners like yourself participate are paid ranging around INR 25K-30K K which is a junior's monthly pay in most chambers!

Internship factor: people do not always have the best lives academically - I can talk for my own self- female, 27. coming from traditional middle class family, did my undergrad in commerce and law from a Tier-2 college at a Tier-2 city- applied to numerous internships to get a single opportunity at a T-1 to pave my way through, but did not got one!

Did various internships at T-2s and other boutique firms, took various assignments on freelance basis just to learn the work! however am still struggling to find a decent T-1 job. Now tell me what would you suggest:

1. I did not had the best childhood

2. my parents were not supportive

3. I do not come from a Tier-1 college or an NLU for that matter

But, I know the law, I have acquired decent drafting skills and research skills! Good at English. Have argued 5-6 matters in my 2.5 years of experience, and gained favorable orders mostly.

So I am a final year law student, I have received a PPO from a listed NBFC and wanted to understand the career progression chart in terms of growth and salary as an in-house counsel in financial institutions for lawyers who are not involved in litigation or retail part of such institutions, instead are part of deal structuring, securitization, capital and debt market issuances.

Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I work at SAM, Mumbai (M&A). People hate each other within firms at the junior and mid-senior levels too. While some degree of bhaichaara exists at the partnership level, again folks compete for the top blue chip clients and great billings/bonuses.

It all starts from college and trickles down to the worst lot of people - at firms, inhouse or chambers.

I’m sorry, but it’s just not possible for lawyers to lose weight and there’s a reason most of us look like hippos and baby elephants. Sit at a desk for 12-14 hours + sleep for 6 + eat high-calorie food + stress, stress stress. This is the life of 90% of lawyers. The only chance you get to do exercise is maybe walk a bit in your neighbourhood and do some yoga in your room. That’s not enough to lose weight.

So I’ve been googling for Ozempic. Apparently very common among rich people in India and KJo is the poster boy. What about lawyers though?

People flock to Corp law for three reasons: money, glamour and girls.

The stereotyped perception of a Corp lawyer is someone who earns 5-10 cr a year, works in a swanky office, drives a Merc, dresses in Armani suits, smokes cigars, drinks champagne and dates the hottest women. This stereotype has been reinforced by certain American TV shows.

I don’t understand where the sarcasm and bitterness is coming from. I am too young to accept something that is not making me happy. If there is any way out, I will definitely consider it. Also, my problem is not firm specific but with overall nature of this job.

If I had to start my own business, a law firm would not even make it to the top 100 list of ideas. Also, if I was paid 25 lacs as a fresher, I wouldn’t have these many complaints.

I graduated in 2023 from a top-tier law school and landed an assessment internship at a reputable firm, though I couldn’t convert it into a permanent role. After that, I didn't put much effort into job hunting because my parents wanted me to join the family business. It’s now been about 1.5 years working there, but living and working with my parents is getting increasingly difficult. I genuinely fear we continue along this path we will damage our relationship permanently.

I’m about to turn 26 in a couple of months, and I’m wondering if it’s still possible for me to secure a job in the legal sector given the significant gap period right after graduating from law school.

4o

Apply to Klaw. As simple as that. They are hiring. Since you’re a fresher expect lower pay. The team has all Tier 1 lawyers in their team right now and is doing well. You will get a lot of exposure there. Don’t listen to anyone saying anything negative. B&F is a very competitive field and you’ll need to read into it a bit. It’s not just DRT and all. Apply there and you might secure yourself an interview at least.

Hi, I will drop my email id and we can talk if you want. I am a 4th year student too(pvt uni)and I just want you to know that life is worth living. We won't talk about any of this if you are not comfortable, let's have a random email conversation and see if we can relate to each other. I just want to be there for a fellow law student. Lmk

Hello young man

I empathise with you. Your future seems dark and depressing I am sure. But there is a way out.

1. Accept your present situation. No amount of grieving or melancholy can change your present circumstance. You are where you are. Even fifth dimensional powers cannot alter your current state. You are at rock bottom. Where else can you go but up?

2. Once you have truly accepted your reality, you can work to change it.

3. Exercise and get some physical activity. Run / functional training / anything really. This is incredibly important. Your bio chemistry is key to unlocking your true potential and destroying the emotions you must be experiencing at present.

4. Eat nutritious food. Avoid junk.

5. Two weeks of exercise and following a good diet and you will feel much better. The darkness will dissipate to a degree and your future will seem brighter.

6. Focus on what time you have left in college and study hard. Socialise. Let your hair down. Do what constitutes fun for you. Always remember - having fun is extremely important. You must actively think on what to do for recreation. Ideas will not come to you automatically.

Keep your head up young man. While there are many law graduates, the vast majority of them are duffers. There is enormous space in the profession for hard working and passionate folk. Your story has not even begun yet. You must work hard, perhaps twice as hard as others because of your circumstance. I am confident that if you apply yourself, you will do well. You have my best wishes.

Reach out to partners of practice areas you’re actually interested in/partners whose team you want to join. You have the highest chance of response from partners like this, with whom people actually like working with. Hiring will be less possible because good partners = people not leaving =

Is this by any chance the firm started by NLS grad? Had a similar experience- got internship confirmation, but did not hear anything when it was supposed to start. Luckily, I got another internship with a (much better) firm at the last moment, so it didn't cause me trouble. Still, I ended up emailing them to inform that I wouldn't be able to intern (not sure why, haha).

I'm a 4th year law student at one of the better private colleges (not relevant here I suppose), interning in a capital markets team for the first time, having done only M&A and PE for the last year and a half.

Just wanted to say... my god does this practice area suck! I always thought that the comments here were exaggerated and that it can't be that mind numbing. Boy, was I wrong. How can a human being do this kind of work? Even the DD is worse FFS!

IPO IPO bol ke, iPad nikaal ke khud ko cool samajhte hai yeh log! That's all there is here. The work is a joke. Even a monkey can be trained to do this, in all honesty.

Same. Absolutely no peace of mind. Seniors have also left the team so too much responsibility, pressure and workload when i barely have any experience as an a0 and came hoping to learn. Doesn't seem like it will get any better. Fake deadlines and pressures are imposed all the time. I dont go out anywhere except work and home. Weekends go in chores/ catching up on sleep / pending work. If at all i decide to rest and not work one weekend then I have major anxiety because that means i cant catch up and this is despite working minimum 12 hours a day. I dont know how to feel motivated like this

Seriously, losing all my patience now due to meaningless work in this sector. There is no manifestation of output of the work that I do. To me, both corp law and litigation, seems to be the same wall seen from different angles. For those who say, litigation (vis-a-vis corp law) involve the real work where challenges and exposure groom an unblossemed lawyer, I ask what is the field level impact of the work that he/she does. Zero. Right. The system does not enable any importance to what courts finally hold. It is trite that Indian public do not trust courts and abhor the very idea if they are unfortunately compelled to approach courts. The system of ADR has largely failed, because ofcourse advocates want to fill their pockets by taking matters to the courts.

Is Legal profession the most rotten profession then?

Go read up on your pop-culture. Karen is what you call a privileged woman who polices people from less privileged communities. It is not a free for all term for all women whose opinons you don't like. Unless you are suggested that the chief justice from an extremely privileged family is somehow less privileged than IJ.

Are you seriously comparing yourself to the VC? What next? The VC should also sit in class because all of you do? Why don't you leave him to the executive council and the faculty and focus on growing up a bit. Or if you're basically saying you don't like to work then go to a more chill institution.

Bhai kitna sahi lagra hoga na ppo leke aur ab to tum ghar bhi dekh rahe ho kya bat hai yar hume to yaha internship tak nahi mili. Enjoy karo bhai. Batana jivan waha se kesa lagta hai kyuki yaha se to mujhe andhera hi dikh raha hai. Bhai kitna aage nikal gaye tum bhai gazab bhai. Jalan pro max.

Your argument makes literally no sense! You are being asked to give us a reference to this publication. Just admit that you (i) either likely don't have such a thing and are bullshitting; or (ii) maybe you have it, but you don't have the balls to put a name to your criticisms of anyone.

Every university in the world has admitted people who have objectively turned out to be horrible human beings (Ted Bundy, the cerial killer, received admission offers in the 70's from two reasonable quality U.S. law schools). The job of a university is to try and make better people out of those it admits than what they were before they came in. But if people actively resist that, there is nothing the university can do.

For example, I don't think any faculty member at Oxford would have taught Boris Johnson that the rules didn't apply to him/he could play merry hell with the Queen and democratic system by carrying out prorogation of parliament illegally for his own malicious ends, but he did it anyway; in the same way, nobody at Oxford would have given a green light to Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton (David Cameron, the UK prime minister whose career as PM ended shortly after the BREXIT vote) during his student days that burning 50 Pound notes in front of homeless people is the right way to behave, but he did it anyway.

In this way, if some NLS kids (like you perhaps?) refuse to take into account the values of hard work and serious, sincere engagement that your institution is trying to teach you, there is nothing NLS can do about it.

Nothing to say except for that this is incredibly parallel to my own experience as a person with 2.5 years of experience at a T1, including the mental exhaustion, and it was nice to feel not so isolated in that experience when reading this post. May we all gather the strength to change something in our lives, even if just the mental trap.

So, I'm thinking of leaving academia to join a litigation firm. I need the opinions of Rishi Munis of LI for the same:

1. My PhD is not going well. I've already invested 2 years into it, have a very good supervisor and doing it from one of the best places in India. Yet, not much progress yet due to several reasons- mainly because I had to take up the job due to lack of funding.

2. Job Dissatisfaction: There isn't any satisfaction in the job I'm currently doing at the same place I'm doing my PhD. Students, staff or faculty don't give a shit about us, have to come in vacations and the work we do often feels very redundant. Researching on mundane topics, TAing, helping in organizing seminars- can't see practical relevance of most of it.

3. No moving up in the hierarchy - I've applied for AP positions at many places, including the place where I work. Somehow, they've preferred people with 0 experience with Oxbridge over me, who has about 5 years of Research Experience. I just feel stuck here, by the time I'll pass the PhD and have a good API score, I'll be 35 and then someone may take me for an entry level position.

4. Actual Imposter: There's imposter syndrome and then there's actual imposters. When I read papers in constitutional, international or human rights law, my writing feels very uninspiring. What's the point of producing boring papers that nobody's gonna read.

5. Finally, I'm ready to slog 13-14 hours in litigation, at least some result may come out of it. At the age of 35, I may start earning as much or more than an AP, while living in my hometown. What's the point of living thousands of miles away in a place you don't relate to and can never call a home.

there are people which will ruin your life - constant work dump on juniors, DP may come off as a smart patient guy but the current crop of PAs run the team. That 1 PA who used to work with Avirup and now works with a KCO, Mumbai partner will make you leave the practice as a whole.

Utna toxicity chahiye toh Trilegal, Gurgaon chale jao, constant shouting and infighting between folks who are trying to one-up against each other at all times.

Depends on the competition in the law school I guess. There'll be competitive environment always and everywhere. But it might be more in T1s, I've heard stories from my friends in NALSAR and NUJS that competition is high. I passed out from a T2 NLU, and I think except the 20-30 odd people, there was little to no competition amongst the rest. So it was pretty chill, and great socialising imo.

The reason is simple, and has much to do with how we find ourselves. Most of the compulsory courses are absolutely rubbish, we get 1/6 good prof every semester. (Mostly noojie profs who deserve credit.) The rest 5 are taught by really really really really horrible profs; in terms of quality. Profs who have absolutely ZERO idea of the subject they are teaching. Cgpa then becomes something to be 'gamed' to 'look' good on your CV. Because, ultimately batch rank is almost the sole determinative criteria from internships, to jobs, llms everything - at the most basic level even if you do v well w extracurricular - a bad batch rank/gpa will significantly limit your opportunities.

Overall this scoring marks is "well known" to be totally divorced from learning (and for good reasons); and ordinary prudence dictates that you avoid risk.

Now enter good electives like Lovely Ma'am, SKG's etc. If you take them, you are sure to see your GPA and Rank dip. For your competitors ( rent seekers) will for sure go for these 'sub-standard' electives where marks are freely distributed as the holy man from Nazareth distributed bread. Bad profs give high marks to refined rent seeks. (good profs make you work.) (and remember that throughout the compulsory subject marks 5/6 times are already 'gamed' entities.) Barring Tri, KCo etc., most firms rely almost exclusively on GPA for the very round of screening - dayz and internship. Ofcourse again this GPA is nothing but a stack of proof how how well you game the system - people w high GPA just know how to do it well. You can choose to opt out of this game, get good electives - but you risk losing - worse, others will keep playing and winning. Zero sum, infact. (System rewards rent seekers and punishes people who wish to learn.)

Ofcourse, this is goddam despicable. 'Somebody' wanted to be different and focus really on learning. But NUJS and the free market punished 'everybody' who did it. These 5/6 profs highly reward bullshit and have little care for true learning. They give marks to 'anybody' who can do a set of few tasks and pander to their ego (an important move in the game, you see.) Fighting w the system is useless when 'somebody' has a loan to pay. And the flame for learning extinguishes when 'everybody' realises that sucking up the these 5/6 is really needed for the high GPA otherwise " almost all" HRs will throw 'your' CV in a bin.

Anybody who wonders who the 1/6 profs are, here's a simple test: they read the projects you submit carefully, so you start working on it atleast 7-10 days in advance.

It's work regardless. It's legal application regardless. You're saying transactional work is something anyone can do and you think individual practice is something unique? Do I need to remind you the passing percentage for the bar exam? Do I need to remind you the number of lawyers with their own table at every district court, Mr 'Self-made' Second-Gen?
Sorry, we chose a desk in a corporate office than at a court for some stability because daddy/mommy didn't raise us in a court, but in no way does that mean you demean a practice field over the other. Litigation is great, the possible influence is phenomenal but hey, it's another practice area at the end of the day. Get off your high horse, it's giving 'self-made’ trust fund baby.

I suppose litigation's going extremely well for you, I see you in threads trolling corps more than dimwits trolling stars on social media. Good thing you have work life balance and the time to shit on people. No denying litigation is difficult, but some people are not as fortunate as you (going by your oxymoronic username) and hence decide to "slog" and do transactional work. You won't really understand. It is evident from your replies on threads that you lack basic logic and are extremely entitled. I hope you try to look into the other side's story (like a good lawyer) before belittling people.

Regards,

A first gen lawyer who wasn't born into a family of lawyers

Saving at least 20k- I am A0, I save around 50-60K Per month.

Foreign trips- depends on person to person, if they have responsibilities, they would avoid initially, but manageable.

Female attention - gold digger types? Yes, otherwise rarely.

Respect in society - nil, nobody cares about your job. In my case, everytime I visit home, my mom asks me when are you leaving this job to appear for judiciary exams.

Major cases- depends. If it's a big transaction, yes. If it's a big case, then you are just a research assistant and don't get to argue and that part is done by senior advocate's office. Usually T1 peeps don't argue big matters by themselves.

Nice office- varies from T1 to T1.

And trust me, if you remove the money factor or if litigation starts to pay like T1s or even T2s, more than half of these shops would be empty in no time.

From a T-1 NLU. Three years in, all I have happened to see is that everyone hates each other, and would probably stab them in the back on any given opportunity. I really don't see myself having more than 5 friends after passing out, and the same goes for everyone else too.

While I do understand socialising is not the same as befriending, doesn't socialisng require you to be helpful by nature? And that's a virtue so in dearth in law schools. So folks who actually manage to socialise and have made use of "contacts" made in law school, how? What is the catch here?

Same as title. Has this happened to anyone else? I had a confirmed virtual internship from a small Mumbai based boutique law firm - based on a call for interns the firm itself had put out on LinkedIn. I applied and they reached out later and confirmed. However, when the time came for the internship to begin, there was no communication from the firm. Plus, the mid-level associate whose contact info was on the confirmation email went incommunicado when I tried to reach out. All my calls went either to voicemail or she would not pick up. Also, her official email had me blocked since all my emails bounced. This firm is supposed to be 10 years old. Has anyone else been scammed with virtual internships?

Again, no one owes you a job. Expecting that strangers should employ you because you did well in a couple of exams is the definition of entitled. Firms are doing just fine without your HR advice. But please feel free to cold-email and announce your entitlement to everyone so that they understand who you are.

Lol, what great faculty have the IoE brought to India and what amazing research or students have they produced till date? IoE status doesn't bring foreign faculty unless they are paid a lot more which means the fees are much higher. The central government institutions don't have any decent faculty, hence can't even use the grants that they get to produce any good research.

Can you please stop trolling and disrespecting the people who had fair and square all other candidates from the previous Rhodes? Going by your logic, one may argue that this year NLSIU made it only because it's the only NLU to have final year student from a 3-year programme and hence got it for diversity's sake. People like you who have got no achievement of their own get some sick kicks out of belittling others who have achieved anything worthwhile.

Landmark development in the history of our country where a major political party has made such a promise. Unthinkable even a few years ago, when 377 remained on the statute books. But people are also pointing out the obvious legal loopholes:

- How can you confirm if a person is gay, lesbian, bisexual or queer/questioning? What if people lie about it and get a government job on that basis? Did the Congress mean trans persons and intersex persons, or the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole?

- Even assuming only trans and intersex persons are meant, does the Constitution permit it? I believe the Karnataka HC has suggested that the answer is YES and asked NLSIU to consider it in the context of student reservation, but is that enough?

https://www.reddit.com/r/atheismindia/comments/1gnyoee/mva_manifesto_on_lgbtqia_rights/?rdt=42153

Go ahead and keep venting. Can't wake up someone who isn't asleep. Hope the real world introduces itself to you quickly. Else, go ahead and do something where you earn more, if you think you're underpaid. No one is going to hold you back because you didn't learn economics 101.

Look buddy, if you want to just cry, nothing will happen and what you wrote would be a self fulfilling prophecy. Just throw all these things aside and give your best shot to whatever is left. Crying, drinking, dying nothing is going to change this but if you really want to change everything, just give it your best shot. There are many who don't get placed (assuming you don't get placed), so start small. Then make your way up. As I mentioned above, I'm assuming a basic intelligence. I'm sure using it, you can do it.