NLUD invites objections before the paper is even done

https://nationallawuniversitydelhi.in/notification/20241207061800.pdf

Circulating on telegram 😀. The link is on their home page too right on top!!

Never understood the entire paper drafting process, always seemed flawed to me that the authority of the entire process from drafting to the review of the papers is given to a single NLU. You don't need to be extremely qualified in the field to know that if the paper was made in actual coordination between all the NLU's where they actually do talk and discuss the paper amongst themselves (which is what a CONSORTIUM should do ideally) would undoubtedly result in question papers of far better quality and could actually aid them get decent, deserving and capable students.

Realistically do understand how the logistics (if you can even call sending an email with the subject as 'thoughts on this?' a logistical issue) could be somewhat of an hindrance but the task at hand is merely one question paper, less than 50 pages, to be created once a year. This shouldn’t be so consistently flawed year after year. I sincerely hope that at some point, steps are taken to address these shortcomings, which have unfortunately become a common and accepted part of entrance exams. Coaching institutes and students alike seem to have normalized this—"CLAT always messes up some questions, it’s no big deal." While it might seem trivial, it shouldn't be so difficult to craft a paper of a somewhat decent standard without errors or polarizing options. Perhaps it sounds too idealistic and utopian, but it is important.

law review has helped several NLIU students for ages to get a solid llm with decent amount of scholarship, publications have helped students to bag a good corporate internship and students who are position holders across law review- half of them are pre placed.

The same goes for CBCL. Look at both of these centres’s convenors too, academically well off and incredibly dedicated to collegiate achievements….so I feel it’s just you who appears to be sour grapes

Hi lovely people of LI! I hope you all had a good year!

I am a Disputes lawyers based out of New Delhi and tend to use the metro for my daily commute. I've run through a bunch of mid-range (price) wireless earbuds through the years which had good audio but always fumbled with their microphones. I tend to get lots of calls in the morning and after work, i.e., when I am in the metro and having to hold my cell phone to my ear is really annoying. It'd be awesome to get some recommendations for earphones with a good microphone (<Rs.10k). Thanks.

P.S. - Let's not recommend Apple, Bose, Sony and Sennheiser.

This would have some value if one was actually seeing the same level of productivity. One is not. It’s not drawing healthy boundaries to join a workplace and refuse to do your share of the work. You end up increasing work for everyone else and you’re basically asking to be paid for not working. It’s unfair toward other people and unhealthy in it’s narcissism.

No one is saying one should do away with novels. Human beings making and buying books is good for the economy and literacy is good for people. What one is saying, quite clearly, is that not every phd in humanities studying these

novels is actually worthwhile or useful. This is a person who received funding and subsidies through her life to study this, she now has a job where she’s paid quite well because she wrote this inane nonsense. Surely Cambridge can spend their money more wisely. People can still love novels and write book reviews. It’s just nonsense that there is such a wide gulf between what’s required to get a phd in economics and to get a phd in English.

Because statistically speaking NLU students will always be better than Non-NLU students? (Ofc there will always be exceptions)

It is about convenience honestly, firms know the top rankers go to top tier NLUs (not all NLUs have the so called NLU advantage) - so its easier for them to pick and choose from that crowd

Its like Non- IITians saying why do IIT students get such top notch placements!

If you are from non- nlu, rather than cribbing about the fact that NLU students have an advantage (which they deservingly get, ofc you are free to disagree), i would suggest you work hard on your CV and prove that you are worth it

I have seen some smartest of students being from non-nlus so dont think you cant achieve success like a NLU grad

Hope this helps!

One partner in my ex-office (it was a fairly new firm) called his favorite associate to inform him that he had paid the arbitrator under the table for one of their arbitrations and instructed him to start drafting the award. Lol, the associate refused and said it didn't align with his professional ethics. Mind you these guys would go all the way to Dehradun for the arbitration and the partner would drive him there. He was hired from a local college, taught everything from the scratch, he didnt even know how to use SCC, he was even taught that and yet he refused ahahahaha. Then the partner said "arey, uss arbitrator ka hi phone aaya tha". Uss din mai bohot hasi.

Hi, I am a CLAT 2025 Aspirant, I just gave CLAT over a week ago, and I will be writing AILET tomorrow. I know the timing of this is so bad, I should be focusing on AILET etc, but tbh I am not here for that, I just need some really comprehensive advice on how to go about choosing my college. I have gone over multiple posts comparing NLUs here and on reddit, and everyone has a different opinion, its gotten really confusing.

Now, first things first, college will matter a lot for me, considering I am pretty sure my after-college career will be Corporate, and my dream is to crack a Tier-1 Law Firm Job, and I am willing to work for this, whether thats internships, batch rank, MOOTs and papers. Whatever, the hardwork won't be an issue, but I need advice as to which college will make this hardwork easier or increase my chances at a good above-average placement.

My current credentials are, based on the provisional answer key, I am getting a score good enough to get into GNLU or above, most probably NLU Jodhpur if everything stays as it is. I know this is just speculation, but for the time being just assume I have the option between choosing NLUJ or GNLU.

Now, I am writing AILET, not very confident, but I am not writing SLAT, so symbiosis is out of the pool for me. In case, CLAT result is no favorable, I do have the option of writing LNAT and getting into Jindal (considering LNAT cutoffs for Jindal are very low). I can afford Jindal.

Now my question is: what should I be picking between GNLU and NLUJ if it comes to that, and can Jindal in anyway make things better for me? Can Jindal be picked over GNLU/NLUJ? Again, I only have three expectations from my college:
1. A great corporate Tier-1 Law Firm Placement
2. Ease of landing Internships, Moot Opportunities and other CV Building Activites
3. A decent average campus life if not better.

Kindly suggest and help!

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The brilliance of NLSIU alumni needs no validation, but what should make us all happy is the mention of an NLSIU prof. It shows that Sudhir has made a genuine effort to recruit the top academics in India, who studied at top universities abroad, as faculty. This never happened when NLSIU was run by the TLC lobby. Now the TLC lobby has greatly diminished in size and will likely disappear over the next decade.

Other NLUs really need to do the same.

https://theprint.in/feature/who-are-indias-political-thought-leaders-of-the-next-decade-theprint-intellectuals-list/2392099/
https://theprint.in/feature/who-are-indias-economic-thinkers-of-the-next-decade-theprint-intellectuals-list/2389650/

Hi, I am interested in the above areas of law. I am yet to join a firm. I have plans to transition to litigation after I gather some work ex in a firm. However, I live in Bangalore. Please let me know:

i) For someone planning to transition into litigation, which one of the above areas would allow me to do so?

ii) Is it even worth litigating in any one of these areas in BLR? Or would it only make sense for me to go to Bom/Del?

This topic might have been discussed many times. But I couldn't find any thorough resource so I decided to put up my query on this platform.
A bit about myself: I have had a software engineering background for 5+ years. I have tried and failed in building a startup 2 years ago. I am an engineer, from an old IIT, 2019 batch. Please take this post in the spirit of curiosity and not a rant.

What is this post about?
I have been forever curious about how the legal world and the tech world is so much mutually exclusive. Why is that so?
Basically, what I mean is, 0 people in tech know anything about legal world and vice-versa.

People don't know their rights, they get scammed by police, thugs and sometimes by their employer as well. The list is endless, spouse, tenant, even a road accident dispute. Whoever can fuck up with you will eventually do–I believe that is India's version of Murphy's law.

First reaction whenever this happens to a first timer is...pants down on a busy street. Are things always going to be this bad in our country?

Once someone gets trapped in such cases, even the most educated people in the society are not aware how to represent themselves. Here the worst victims are the ones who has been clean throughout their lives... they suffer the most...because of lack of knowhow of the legal system.

Why, in our country, people still afraid of things related to law/lawyers/police/people in power?
Lets say a police man misbehaves with some poor fellow, and if the poor fellow is not "connected" then he is literally hopeless. Also, even if you remove "poor" from the previous sentence,
the story will not change.

I will share a recent anecdote to put things in better perspective: recently I found myself searching for a lawyer, for a financial fraud case. I was at Bengaluru at that point of time, so infinite language barrier with police/local lawyers.

Also, no one in my friend circle had any idea how to search for a lawyer who can be trustworthy(wont scam me). I went online and talked to 10+ lawyers, all based in Bengaluru. All of them shared different quotes for taking my case. Some were good, some were high, and I had no idea how to evaluate these quotes. How do I filter the true ones?. I had 0 knowledge about what they are saying–no way I could trust them because there are so many miscellaneous expenses involved!
Also, one problem I faced was to share the case evidences with all of them...so many times, I have to repeat the same story, share evidences repeatedly....it was not the most fun time of my life !

A guy said it will cost 5k for the initial work(case prep/consultation etc), then 25k(including bribes to the police etc) and then if I get back my lost money then 20k(misc expenses) more. You know what the net amount we were trying to recover was 2Lac. And he asked me ~50k as fees to recover that amount. Ofcourse I didn't go ahead with him, but I found myself questioning that why is there no proper mechanism to find out about the legitimacy of the quotes he is claiming, or to cross check his competency based on his previous client feedback etc. While buying a mobile phone, we go through hundreds of trusted reviews...but here there was no option. I know there are websites which have this feature, eg: Lawrato. But to be entirely honest, I didnt find those reviews of any practical use. I found it very hard to trust a legal counsel online.

When I tried to look for a reference for a good lawyer, it took me 2+months to go through all of friends and ask them if they know someone. Eventually, I found someone good where I could trust of whatever he says.

I wanted to have a discussion on how the following challenges can be solved:
1. discoverability
2. trust(alternative of going via reference)
3. transparency money involved.
4. high visibility of client over every step of the procedure.

PS: Please forgive me of my ignorance if I said anything which is stupid/false in this post. As I said please take this in the spirit of curiosity. Can we make this process as straightforward as ordering a pizza? Would love to know your thoughts!

Highly irresponsible to dole out suggestions without even a basic background check on places. Don't even look in the direction of RPV. Check the attrition rate of RPV before recommending it. It is too toxic and a total waste of time. Unless you want senior's playing favorites and putting you down every single day, even an AOR's chamber will offer better exposure.

AZB is far better than all these offices: at least it's openly toxic and pays 5x of these places, in terms of money and exposure both. Plus, even if you stretch it for a year, AZB on your CV will help you more than any of these.

Your choice ultimately, I have seen people in both RPV and Singhania personally CRY during and after their stints and I wouldn't want to see anymore of that.

Okay reality check.

No practicing lawyer except the 10-15 top SC lawyers making 5 cr+ a day, would even think of purchasing Camellias. Heck, most DLF projects or in the GC area.

The people who would majorly invest would be

1. Senior bureaucrats investing foreign hidden black money. Trust me its easy, and they have multiples of this amount.

2. Richest industrialists for tax deductions and black money.

3. High end international funds/ reach people, again for similar purposes.

Trust me 50% of these houses will be empty after being bought. No working family person wants to invest 100 cr+ for a apartment.

There's a Reddit thread with the title: What's the deal with the "olfactory ethics" girl? (Dr. Ally Louks)

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1h62ch0/whats_the_deal_with_the_olfactory_ethics_girl_dr/

Here are some interesting comments in her defence:

A woman wrote a thesis on how smell effects culture and Twitter decided that she had “gone woke” and was too pretentious to say “people don’t like things that smell bad”.

Much of the anti-woke crowd probably makes jokes and complains about certain ethnic groups being smelly and not using deodorant.

she's being attacked by people on the right as an example of how useless and esoteric higher ed can be, and also for not having kids and other sexist attacks.

The topic of her PhD was widely mocked for being perceived as too "woke" by many users on Twitter / X, particularly anti-intellectuals, who believed that the study was useless and a waste of time and resources.

If in Mumbai, the two biggest players are Wadia Ghandy and DSK Legal. Dhawal Mehta and Sajit Suvarna are beasts. However, from a person preference, Sajit of DSK has an edge based on his clientele, expertise and experience. And he is great to work for. That being said, both are great shout outs.

Check out Dhaval Vussonji, AZB, and maybe Trilegal as well if needed?

Majority of law schools are bad experiences.

No need to write stories about it and celebrate.

Half of NLUs are pathetic.

90% of private law colleges are useless or fraud.

80% Govt law colleges or University departments have little or no faculty.

So focus on work and learn on the job.

Hey guys,

I am in my 4th year and from a non-NLU. I interned with the Mergers team of a T2 in July and August this year. I have an internship lined up in at a T1 in Delhi for February and wanted to know how to proceed further to aim for a PPO.

Can someone please explain till when the firms will give PPOs to my batch and if I manage to secure a call back or another T1 internship in July/August '25, will it still be possible to get an offer or is it too late at this point? Also, which firms that are actively hiring should one apply for?

Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!!

1. Email their juniors.

2. If you don't know their juniors, ask your seniors. Most probably someone would have intervened there in the past and may be able to connect you.

3. Your seniors will also be there in the profession. They may not be big names or well known. Ask in your college who are the good ones and apply to them.

Love is not overrated. Many people, straight and gay, are in the same situation. Unfortunately there's nothing to do in that field except to keep trying.

On the professional front, do you have a PhD? If not, then apply to an LGBT friendly country for PhD and then try to settle down there. If you already have a PhD then look for postdoc or fellowships. There are many available at your age. Look out for things which are open to "early career researchers"

Not, OP but I can tell you. I actually read the abstract to understand why it is important, which I am sure you did not.

When I say 'sit your curry ass down' to win an argument, you need to study why 'curry smell' is a derogatory word and how it has been used to entrench power. Let me even tell you its relevance in law: criminal sentencing, prejudice and the like. Judges, and to a larger extent police, many times, rely on appearance (and smell) for subconscious culpability (and this is well-researched). Bringing to light underlying biases helps improve society, and in fact, your life. Smell, as she also points out, was also an important factor in the civilizing mission of colonization, used to justify, e.g., why Indians are savages and need the British to civilize these backward people. The politics of smell is extremely important precisely because it seems banal and yes is a critical tool for projecting power hierarchies. The entirety of the Western World used it, including to undermine Mahatma Gandhi and other important Indian political figures during calls for decolonization. That power dynamic carries on today, as she demonstrates.

And yes, that is why, I agree with the OP that Indian academia is generally screwed. In any case, Indian academia does not care right? Which is why Cambridge took this PhD, not IIM-A, which is great, but may I also know which great scientific invention has been coming out of India with this pissing match between STEM and other disciplines?

I took a drop for NEET 25 after the mess of 24 but I registered for CLAT and AILET for which I prepared hard and did fine in CLAT 25 but my question is that since the day of fees payment is 10 June 2025 will the NLU keep my certificates? and if I wish to leave the seat can I, also if they take my certificates can I defer the submission till my counselling of NEET or request for the certificates back in time for NEET counselling?

If the top 8 NLU's are no longer an option for you, you can definitely go ahead with SLSP.

It's overall a great option, and shouldn't be a problem. Having said that, please do your own research, reach out to people who are studying or have graduated from SLSP and shoot away any and all doubts that you might have. I beleive that I made a terrible mistake while choosing a law school, so whatever your decision may be just be at peace with it because it's going to stay with you not just for the next five years but arguably your whole life.

Cheers, Have a great weekend!

PS: I'm not from SLSP but have a lot of friends in that uni.

Dear SA 1 at T1

As someone few years senior, here are my tips for you:

1. Please do not rescue your juniors and do their work. If you do that, it is a disservice to both you and them. You will end up doing their work while not getting paid for it, and they will not learn and grow because they will realize they won't have to do much as you will eventually do their job.

2. Treat associates as adults. Give them work without babying them or judgements or admonishment. Explain their job and when its due. If the work product is not proper or not in time, please formally inform them and also formally report them to higher ups. Stop behaving like a parent, associates are not your kids.

3. If they refuse to take work, report to your partner and ask for a change of resource or ask your partner to speak to them. But before you do, please record the refusal over email.

4. When you have poor performers, please formally point them out to partners. Record what are they suffering with or what their short comings are. Lot of times SAs/PAs expect that partners know but do not interfere with poor performers. The truth is that partners hardly know about these well enough. Formally provide negative feedback (also positive feedback, but that is not under discussion here) so the system can take care of the issues.

5. Last but not the least, please take time to explain associates what their job entails and what to expect. Their expectations may be tied to normal 5-9 jobs which they have seen their parents or relatives do.

Do the above, and you will see a hell lot of difference.

There will always be kids who will not perform despite all. Frustrate them, so they eventually quit. While it may sound harsh, its the best outcome for everyone. If you keep poor performers, you will struggle, your team will struggle, good performers in your team will be demoralized as they will feel they can get away with doing less work - which is unfortunately never the case, and for the poor performing candidate will be able to get away from this law firm hell hole and get into something else where they can excel and enjoy.

However, whatever you do, don't be a jackass. While you must treat juniors like an adult, be an adult yourself. Do not behave with people like a dictator / sadist. Don't ask people to do something over a weekend which you will not see before next Wednesday. Do not ask juniors to stay back till 11 PM so you can make him sit next to you while you review their work product document. The examples are not exhaustive.

In my experience, if you behave with people like an adult, most respond well.

The above is the guide for people who are struggling with juniors. Experienced leaders inspire their team enough and may not need the above.

It is poor work ethic, when you want everything handed over to you, more than best pay, but when it comes to giving something from your side, you've all types of issues. What really is needed is a balance but the gen Z only deals in extremism largely. Come what may and whatever you may have internalized as a thought process, no one ever like to work extra. Coming to poor delegation, how many times you ever looked at it from other side, e.g. something popped up last minute, something much more urgent going on not even giving a breathing time, which in many cases is more than even spoon feeding (and before you say anything, I've been on all ends of table, as a junior, as a middle level and also at top).

Yasasvi is a great senior and team mate, and I am saying this as someone who has actually worked with him. He is one of very few people who will actively mentor, answer your questions with patience and ensure that you truly understand the work you are expected to do. It's a fact that transactions require more than normal working hours, but if the expectation is that you work late at night, he will be working far longer hours. He's good at what he does - an ace, really. Also, he does a lot of complex transactions - so there will be a lot of learning.