Whatever they want. My colleges get paid different rates based on how effectively the firm has manager to whittle down their offered retainers. If you’re home grown you may have some luck but mostly not since they have different hidden bands and by the time you find out “teri band already baaj chuki hai” (pardon my French)

Bhaiya/ Didi pls protest, pls fill pil in Bombay court, pls do something for the sake of the future students as many students appear for glc as an oms candidate in High number, and they even consider glc Mumbai and you all know what's the price of bombay it's comparatively high rather than other States, this is ik this is fucked up par pls address this issue in news channel, paper as it would concern more people and every ex and now student can do something. Do something offline for the sake of the future lives, as you All know bache to aayenge he mera bhi dream college tha nlu ke baad heheh but here is the scariest part of the college.

And here I want to address one more thing - many students got a call for getting admission througlysab money 15 lakhs something and you would get admitted in glc , by reading your article and the main part principal is so greedy for money then this can happen also that they only considered this paitra!!

Rather than this I'm genuinely concern for college administration you all should protest and raised your voice everyone would help you out for sure every damm student.

Aap log law college me ho you should file pil sab milke and even they don't even know basic maths or basic legal terms then yh toh badhia mauka h un logon ko sirf court m sikhane ka :)) Please raised your voice please for every damn student specially future students. 🙏🏻❤️‍🩹

Completely agree with every single point my friend, not to mention her pathetic treatment of a very senior, beloved, and esteemed professor Iqbal Panjwani. Panjwani ultimately left the college after teaching for 50 years. Those who are in the know, know that he joined GLC very shortly after the famed Prof. Pithawalla. While leaving, he made this remark, "50 years of relationship with the college was destroyed by her in 50! seconds".

Look I feel GLC is a government institution and blaming a person entirely for the affairs is really wrong. And calling someone incompetent is just too extreme and a narrative building exercise in my opinion. There are lot of people involved in the decision making.

Also since everyone is focusing on the negatives let me highlight the positives since everyone coin has two sides and even on earth its not dark every where at all times there is sunlight!! The college provides a great experience of academic and extracurricular education.

Till now the teaching has been quite insightful and student friendly! There is also flexibility for those with jobs and other commitments.

Faculty is also approachable!

Students are interactive, helpful and engaging!

Job opportunities are also plenty!

However it might be more skewed towards the Five year LLb course compared to 3 year as far as I have heard since firms prefer 5 year students.

But overall the journey has been great till now!

1. Programmes are conducted on a regular basis for students to develop an interest in law.

2. As far as I have seen almost all the committees are actively engaged in different activities most of the time.

3. The canteen and other infrastructure is being developed. Look i feel students need to have some street smartness. Its a construction activity. It definitely takes some time so please be calm and let things happen and once that will be ready obviously it will be for the benefit of students

4.New courses are being introduced like certificate courses on Direct and Indirect tax. I have a first hand experience of that and they are amazing.

5. The library is also accessible and open for students to sit and study. This is not a school that we should expect spoon feeding for every single thing. We hopefully are grownups thus we should focus much more on studying.

6. Also the students portal is now made open so we can discuss whatever the complaints are with the principal directly. So rather than debating it here that has the most potential to yeild a solution on the effectiveness and efficacy parameter.

7. As far as i have interacted with the Principal she was very helpful and interactive. Also she was patient in listening all doubts and problems. Also she is approachable and never discards students and very much open to feedback.

So i feel we are grown up students and we should stop this cry baby mindset and seek help on a website that shall do nothing. Rather focus on positives. Also what i have noticed is that students actively enjoy participating in these programs and activities but on the other hand put blame on one person. This somewhere sounds like hypocrisy. And the internship part is i feel a subject of debate. Since what internships give u is a certificate for doing clerical level stuff rather than actual learning. It might also be positive. Most importantly i feel people are happy when things go according to them but hate when it goes against them. There are international students as well. Look i have been a student of engineering and the principals there dont even interact with students. Atleast the principal here is open to feedback. My experience has been great till now

So for money the purported toxicity and slavery is ok with this generation? Wow. I thought the fight was against toxicity and slavery in toto. Not conditional fight.

First, try to consolidate your thoughts on what you want? Money or fight against purpoted toxicity and slavery.

Government Law College has been a goal for many law aspirants since decades but only till late have we started seeing its decline. The top comment in this thread does talk some sense when describing the bleak status of GLC today and the desolate conduct of its employees in managing the institute. It is important to note however that the employees ( office staff, teaching faculties, administrative start, advisories, etc.) are mechanical components of a larger system ( calling them tools would be derogatory so this was the closest I can get ). Severing the head from the rest of its body will not guarantee a better functioning ( for the oblivious, I am referring for the several demands in this thread wanting to vacate Asmita Vaidya from her office ). Asmita Vaidya is at an important position in this institute and mere vacation of her from her offices will do us no good, instead we have to preach to her wisest counsel in an organised concert, that could be only achieved when we as students, maximum capacity, have a mutual agreement regarding our agendas, and then approach AV to change the state of affairs. Do help me out in outlining more issues in following replies and/or reframing the ones I lay down in this reply.

Issue 1: The Committees

It was the contention of the top comment that some committees are unnecessary in a law college, but NAAC accreditation would be significantly lower had we not had the Cultural Committee or the Marathi Mandal. When we read GLC do we really forget its identity as a college? It is not merely a law institute. Fests are important to a college as important as its academics and ancillary co-curricular activities. Its Maharashtra, why not a Marathi Mandal that handles the vernacular side of collegiate fests? It would be subjective and redundant to restrict our views to arguing on the individual capability of Committees. The only takeaway from this issue should be the Principal's conduct with the Committees and her biased nature towards some. The Senior Cores of the respective Committees alongwith the Student Council should remind the Principal of their necessity in this College and that too with the statistics they need to back themselves up. If the Principal still persists on such biased conduct then the Committees and the student should take it up with her superior authority.

Issue 2: Corruption in GLC

Corruption and Government institutes are oftentimes synonymous, although we should not be assumptious in dealing with them and nor can we turn a blind eye simply by labelling the staff of GLC as a "lost cause". If we have the statistics then we demand an explanation for the unexplained revenue and lack of reasoning then allows us two routes ( do correct me if I'm wrong ), a police complaint or a complaint to a higher authority. Corruption is another evil in society and has to be dealt with as they come. Student Council's shoulders are heavy with yet another responsibility but alas that's the job description.

Issue 3: Handling Internship and Attendance

One of the most important bullet points an interviewer notices on your résumé is the longevity of your internship and they have their rightful reasons for the same. However the world outside has unrealistic demands from Law students and these are often made to work like a clerk but on the pay of a Guard. There is rampant exploitation in the corporate field for young pre-lawyers. At the end of this issue I will affix a link or two regarding one Supreme Court regarding the decrepit status-quo of the current generation of lawyers and their approach towards this field. For those who wish to know more do look up Justice Abhay S. Oka's speech on the Luthra Memorial Moot Court Competition. To continue with the issue, and I am venturing into a controversial area, since the students are wishing to intern earlier than is thought of by MU ( 4th Year was the standard ipso facto of its early morning classes ) then the classes should be conducted early morning, leaving the students with untethered time for their internship and personal indulgement/s. 3rd Year might be the correct time for the students to begin early morning lectures to match their résumé needs. Simultaneously, an appeal with the state Bar Council to issue parameter guidelines for offices offering internships should be placed. It is the practice of corporates and offices to hire interns on no salary or a sub-par salary whilst making them work full hours or even overclock to meet the Office deadlines. The State Bar Council has the appropriate authority to look into such matters and can also issue guidelines and/or refer this matter to the appropriate authorities for further deliberation. However this can not be a one student job and as I have previously mentioned, a concert of students is required for effective dealing with this issue.

https://lawchakra.in/legal-updates/justice-abhay-s-oka-to-law-students/

Got one more issue to frame but due to time constraints I will reserve it in another reply to this comment. Do help me out with the issue framings, it can serve as a good reference material only if it is attended to by all of you GLC'ers. Do remember things don't change unless you change.

Greetings,

I am a second year student at a upper t2 NLU. I am currently in the top 5 of the class rankings. Got 81% and 87% in in 10th and 12th respectively. I want to start preparing for the LSAT and don't know where to begin. Also would this ba llb serve as an advantage over other applicants in USA. I honestly just want a t25 or t30 law school. Visa won't be a problem.

Please enlighten me with your wisdom.

Alum here - absolute joke and shit show of a college. Just a degree printing factory once you endure the painful formalities. I often wish for its complete crumble just because if it’s bureaucracy. God knows what it’ll take to transform it into an actual educational institution of 2025 standards because the millions of escorts have

From my very limited experience working in a promoter driven firm so far, a lot of policies can be influenced by the promoter. Perhaps not in big firms but in smaller ones. Another example I’ve seen is the issue of succession - when the promoter passes, the person succeeding them determines where the firm goes. An example of this would be Luthra.

My dear fellow, how wise is it to blame others for your own incomprehension and incompetence? We are not your parents or teachers who owe it to you to entertain your crude remarks or your inability to read and write a coherent sentence. The poverty of your intellectual imagination is not an excuse for the rest of us deny ourselves the same. Good luck and take care.

What a disappointing and evasive reply. Either you are being insincere or just trolling. In any discussion/debate, it is perfectly natural to make arguments and then be expected to justify the basis of those arguments. But according to you, a person can make all kinds of wild and extraordinary claims (and who is also not a court, by the way, as you so eloquently put it) but others cannot even dare to request them to provide even a shred of evidence for their claims? You ought to be ashamed of yourself if you are really a student of law.

I think the page I cited above states clearly that what is essential is an LLM degree in order to apply. The guidelines are silent on specialisation. So, yes, one can apply irrespective of their specialisation in LLM. At the same time, the question and relevance of your specialisation may come up during the interview.

Hi, a student from GLC here. All of this is unfortunately true. The ground reality is starkly different from the rosy picture painted by the College. All the College and does for students since AV’a arrival is introducing “5 certificate courses” so that “when students graduate from the government law college, they leave with 7 (or whatever her arbitrary number is) degrees”.

The whole NAAC thing was a sham, it was all a farce, the “gymkhana” of the College is covered in bird poop. The library is poorly stocked, the teaching is sub-par, and we definitely should not discuss the infrastructural issues with GLC.

Even after this online anonymous outrage by students, which is hardly a respite, we know for a fact that a protest or any sort of actual outrage is not possible in an institution like ours because the chance of you making enemies from the administration is invariably higher than even the slightest chance of a decent and honest dialogue between the College and its students.

In short, the novelty, legacy,

Accept your responsibility. Apologise to those whom you inconvenienced. Identify where and why you messed up. Improve so that you do not repeat the same error again. Ensure your reliability by being consistent from hereon.

Every professional has a bad day. But there is a reason they are called professional. Sincerity of purpose and a willingness to introspect will always hold you in good stead among your peers.

You can do it. All the best.

“What is the moral? Who rides may read.

When the night is thick and the tracks are blind,

A friend at a pinch is a friend indeed;

But a fool to wait for the laggard behind

Down to Gehenna, or up to the Throne,

He travels the fastest who travels alone.

. . .

“Wherefore the more ye be holpen and stayed,

Stayed by a friend in the hour of toil,

Sing the heretical song I have made–

His be the labour, and yours be the spoil.

Win by his aid, and the aid disown–

He travels the fastest who travels alone.”

—Rudyard Kipling (from ‘The Winners’)

Thanks for the reply. What you say is not rooted in reality and is itself a product of a certain kind of discourse that justifies its consensus by pretending that disagreements always lead to better and inclusive decisions. That is a noble mirage. You are like the president in Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove who cannot accept the fact that the discourse in which he participates and which establishes his sovereign power to nuke enemies can be so easily discarded by others.

Your own unspecified example of the same ideology succeeding in one context while failing in another only further proves my point. Details matter. Process matters. Rhetoric is only an indication of intent and has little to no bearing upon the consequences that a policy promulgated in its name produces.

People can and do disagree in good faith. I never said otherwise. But there is a point beyond which disagreements cease to be useful in widening a conversation and end up limiting action itself. Not for nothing did CIA come up with a handbook on how to use civil methods to effectively obstruct any discussion.

Sometimes disagreements do lead to better decisions and sometimes they don’t. But that has little to do with the fact of disagreement itself. It has more to do with the implicit acknowledgement among the decision-makers that what matters is how something gets done and not whether it satisfies the vague purity of an idea. This is what enables compromise and collaboration, for better or worse. Mathematics is neither socialist nor capitalist. And you do not need an ideology to end famine or reduce poverty. Ideas are a fundamental part of how humans cogitate and rationalize. They are necessary and they are things of wonder. But ideas are not enough.

urgency isn't the same as round-the-clock availability at ALL times. Urgent situations arise, yes, but they aren't as frequent as you are making of them.

When litigating, one has the privilege to act upon their will. You needn't virtue signal someone to make them understand how the profession works. They do them, and they are good enough to look after them, which is part of the reason why they are litigating in the first place. But older people like you who are as acquainted with exploiting free labour can't gulp the fact that people can be doing well in life while not dragging their ass at all times like you did. It isn't advice that you offer, it's jealousy that you inflict.

beloved old hag ji, before expressing your concern to that beta about their inability to punctuate appropriately, do check out the Linkedin post and comment on the punctuating ability of the senior partner. I am sure kids in their 5th grade have a better grasp over English and are more aware of incorrect punctuations.

Leave our generation alone, we are sufficient to fend for ourselves. Its only your insecuirty of losing your hold over underpaid labour that triggers you and forces you to argue with us. Please don't waste your time doing it on an anonymous platform, i am sure your client must be getting disappointed since you aren't picking up their call and playing a keyboard warrior.

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Disagree with your last point. The process of how someone is hired matters because the process is supposed to be a professional evaluation of the candidate. The whole point of providing discretion to the competent authority is not to enable them to do as their will it but to use it with care and without deviating from existing standards without first providing a cogent reason. Besides, an unfair process is more likely to select an inefficient employee. The power of discretion is a function of trust and responsibility that is placed in an office.

Not casting any aspersions on the university and its governance here, but it is worth stating that, in general, the law/rule can permit anything. But that is not the same as due process. Questions of whether due diligence, fair representation, and competition are ensured in a particular process, say that of recruitment or admission, cannot be wished away by citing rules. A rule permits you to undertake an action but it is not an excuse for incompetence or discretion applied arbitrarily.

Dear uncle- I will do so by pushing back on false deadlines & by not delegating things to my juniors at the last minute. ALSO, if my generation collectively pushes back on false/unreasonable deadlines (which they will. Believe me they will coz all of us collectively believe in WLB)- then no client will have their unreasonable expectations met. Infact, clients will also be one of us- so no unreasonable expectations at all. Think about it- with you guys, shouting and abusive/toxic culture was the norm. Things have substantially changed now. Similarly WLB will also come one day.

For debt investments/transaction - our job as corp lawyers is to 1) draft the documents which eventually lead to the transactions 2) advise whether the structure/aspects of the transaction are legal or not 3) negotiate with the opposing party on certain terms of the contracts and 4) sometimes do legal due diligence

Investment bankers structure the whole transaction. They’ll advise the clients what’s the best mode of investment based on their financial analysis. IBs also help clients find the counterparties and financially advise them throughout the transaction.

Absolutely. Fundamental rights are paramount. You said 'bastard' didn't you? Now if someone who finds that offensive (there are plenty who do) complained and you had to do the rounds of police stations and courts which just went about lecturing you on morals and standards that were arbitrary and did not reflect actual societal reality you would be oppressed. Sadly the wisdom of the judiciary reflects the intellect of those in power.

The SC which was a champion and preserver of fundamental rights has now turned destroyer.

No. Youre wrong. Majority of reasonable disagreements are not always over details, planning, or execution. The slight of hand youre trying to pull is equating the value of teaching mathematics in primary schools with whether or not a welfare state truly works to reduce poverty. One of those things is not like the other and all the evidence is not in yet. Far left communist governments in many instances did not alleviate poverty and in many instances they did. Capitalism did work to elevate people suffering from extreme poverty but it certainly doesnt lead to an equal outome society and neither does it lead to a society where there are equal opportunities.

I'm a leftist, but im not conceited enough to think that anyone who disagrees with me about socialist policies is being unreasonable. Theyre being manifestly reasonable. I just think theyre wrong even when theyre being rational and reasonable. Just like its possible for me to be wrong even when I'm being rational or reasonable.

I dont know about you- but I have found that its less than useless to approach disagreements with the idea that anyone who doesnt at the end of the argument agree with me is only doing so because theyre silly or petty or spiteful. People can disagree with me. No one has a claim to the complete truth. In disagreeing with each other we might actually find some common ground that actually would be the best path forward.

4th year student, feeling lost and lonely, about to step into Corp Law in a new city, have little to no friends even in hometown, not the best relationship with family, no partners, does it get better? Or at least, do new avenues open up? My head hurts. No negative comments, I already have a dozen better of them thrown at me daily.

Playing devil's advocate here; it is evident the OP/commentators here haven't seen what the post actually says. This is solely for those engaging in LITIGATION. It's evident that people here are mostly corp lawyers.....I'm a junior lawyer and in places like Delhi, seniors often get briefed late until night and you're expected to be available 24/7. As this senior partner says, there are many, many lawyers in a country; if you don't wake up at 3AM, someone else is willing to. Not supporting this practice, but in crowded nations like India and China, this is unfortunately how it is.

3-4 years? Try 15-20 years AT LEAST before you become a partner who MAY have interactions with 'relevant' and powerful people. Most corp partners liaise with GC of companies, so not exactly very 'powerful'. Networking is independent of this; making such connections in a country like India will more often than not require you to exploit family connections. If you really want to have 'connections' and 'setting' in the future, I'd rather recommend litigation. PS- If this is why you are getting into corp law or litigation, I can assure you that you'll burn out within a couple of years.

Yes, we all must work hard even 80 hour is less, i suggest 160 hours per week to 4 trillion dollar economy to make our masters or privileged people in India (rich businessmen/owners/) even more richer. Even Chinese labor laws and justice system would be embarrassed in front of Indian labour laws how can India as country cannot develop into a developed economy.

Very, very weird.

1. Are people not allowed to comment upon matters pending in court? No, they are. There is no law restricting it. So, what's the issue if Samay Raina comments on it?

2. Is it unlawful for a person to travel abroad and comment? No, the rights of an Indian citizen under Article 19(1)(a) are not limited by territory.

3. But, let's probe further: Can the court direct that someone not exercise their right to freedom of speech & expression? No. Only the Parliament can, by virtue of a law - which would fall the exceptions of Article 19(2). But in absence of any law, the court cannot prevent an Indian citizen from saying whatever they want (whether obscene or not). This too has been clarified by the SC numerous times.

4. Did Samay say anything wrong, obscene or contemptuous in Canada? Based on the news report, it does not seem so. By no stretch of imagination can it be said that Samay's show in Canada was disrespectful to the Supreme Court. The institution is Supreme enough that it cannot be put into disrepute by any tom-dick-and-harry, let alone a wannabe chess player/lousy comedian. Not unless the court itself takes offense at it and actually turns the public's eyeballs onto those comments.

In these circumstances, to say that a comedian is being "oversmart", in my very humble & respectful opinion, is just being "oversensitive", and ought to have been avoided. Let matters be decided by the law; there is no need for a future CJI to flex muscles (though, thankfully, these were only verbal remarks and no muscles were actually flexed by way of orders - but then there's the question of why should any oral observations of this nature be made when neither the said party is before the court nor is there any legal issue regarding it).

Yours,

truly &

Not intending any disrespect to the institution, the judges, or the process of the law,

Someone who is now going back to preparing for Court No. 3 for this Friday.

From what I know, the pay is quite similar at equivalent levels and experience, however, how much do the activities & roles differ? M&A lawyers often help in business modelling, due diligence, checking financials (then valuation) and also regulatory & compliance matters, which is exactly what M&A bankers do, excluding the legal part (regulatory & compliance). Capital/Equity-Debt Market lawyers advise and assist in raising capital through IPOs and/or raising capital through loans and/or bond issuances, which is again, exactly what bankers do. What is the real difference? if any.

"Bastards"? Nobody wishes to insult any of the 'Honorable' Judges of any Court, unless without specific cause. It is evident the archaic form of 'respect' provided to the Courts of India have got to the heads of your lordships. Look at how the Executive and Legislature remain at everyone's crosshairs 24/7. Why should the Judiciary, which directly impacts the lives of every citizen and even non-citizen in the nation, not be exempt. Unlike our Judges, at least we can choose our politicians and then criticize them as well!

I have seen many seniors of mine get into corporate law because they feel that they will meet big-shots and gain their support, which is crucial for them to succeed in the future. Their plan is that they work at a corporate firm for 3-4 years and build a good connect with some executives, managers and businessmen, so they can build their own firm or business with their connects as clients. Does it really work out that way? Or is it no good?

Sorry to offend anyone here, but the influence of local M politics (you can use your head and figure out what the M stands for, and its not Muslim) has finally pierced the prestige of GLC. From several years, we have seen notable legal luminaries stop their visits to the College and the intersection of M state politics with the educational system here is clear. For God knows what reason, the entirety of Mumbai University has suffered since the past 2 decades. While DU retains its status as a frontrunner despite many political issues and clashes, MU has suffered. The downfall of GLC is the final straw. Hell, I've heard from associates that even DU has started hammering students for low attendance now. Sad state of affairs for historically significant colleges like these. GLC needs to sack their administration ASAP. Just sacking the principal and keeping the position vacant would do good to GLC, as student bodies are self-sufficient and seem to work independently anyways. At least a vacant principal's seat will not jeopardize the already-crumbling repute even more.

Dear Beta - do explain to us old hags how you will do so, when many of you and your ilk are unable to draft a letter competently and punctuate properly, leave alone handle clients and strategise for matters. Pipe dreams and fantasises are all fine and dandy beta but you are better off focusing on your matters and upgrading yourself. All the best.

It is impossible to suggest that the management is in anyway interested in the affairs of the college. This college couldn't even call an electrician to fix the fans and lights, but acts with such haste to set up some gym equipment and do basic renovations to impress the NAAC team.

The student committees recieve less money than promised and are always told about how the college is low on cash.

They have now implemented a shoddy digital attendance system that doesn't even work properly. Moreover, previously, teachers would forge attendance. Now, teachers tell students they have no time for a lecture so give Attendance and leave.

There are very few decent classes to conduct lectures in. There is either construction work going on in classrooms, or the windows are all boarded up, or are so dirty that even the teachers request us to search for a different class.

And let's not forget the professors themselves. There are very few professors who are actually competent. Most are quite incompetent and do not know how to teach. There are some who are disinterested in teaching and prefer to talk about their ideological/political beliefs, some beliefs that reading the textbook of their own subject disproves, and they give good marks to only those who they perceive to believe in their beliefs.

Then there are those who act so vindictively towards students as if they have a personal vendetta against us. And then there are professors who will give you poor marks in viva/presentation for no reason, I've had a semester where this specific professor have most students between 14-18 and only a few students got about 20.

I even had a professor who, during vivas, required to quote the definitions from the acts that they are written in. One of my friends has wanted to work in arbitration and has interned in that direction since the very first year. After asking a few questions on arbitration, the professor declared that since he didn't quote the definitions from the acts, he will give him no marks for viva and proceeded to grade him only on his assignment.

Why would any student want to join such an institution. And from what I've heard, and opposition to how things are going seems to result in vindictive action from the administration. Even senior professor Ratho wasn't immune to this(I expect you guys already know about that case).

GLC in my opinion is done. If anyone you know wishes to join the institution, recommend that they don't. For those who are students in GLC, keep your head down and just graduate unless you are willing to risk being targetted by professors and the administration

Konse nashe mei yeh sab notions laate ho. Law isn't about language and the random notion of "language is your instrument". It is about sharp analytical ability, the ability to distill thousands of pages into few lines of legal issues, and for a law firm lawyer, great commercial understanding and numeracy skills as well. The best lawyers are the ones who write the most simply and convey all issues effectively. Yeh sab kya bakwaas laga rakha hai - human is your adversary and all. In literally whatever field you choose to work in, an adversary will always be another human.

Omg your brain fart gave me such headache.