Agree with most people on the Mac. M4 is not necessary, even an M2/M3 will do. However, I would suggest at least 512gb on both Mac and iPad. I back up all docs to the cloud and locally so that if I'm in a court with poor cellular data / wifi I'm not struggling for a connection.

On the iPad, I would suggest you go for an Air 13" or Pro 13" (if budget allows). The extra space really comes in handy when using liquid text (especially with 2 documents open).

Worked with a JGLS student at a litigation chamber in Bombay. Their rationale was related to imbibing a work ethic that is useful regardless of what they end up doing later, alongside a taste of how work life in Bombay actually is. So it's like an eye opener for them I assume. Said student intentionally commuted by a local, packed their own food and managed their affairs on their own. This is typically expected from most people but this kid was from a very wealthy background so they didn't have to labour like this, so I had my respect for them.

I got a call from Khaitan Mumbai in early June, so little over 2 months ago, about a PPO interview to be scheduled due to my feedback. I have not yet got a call about my interview date and don't get a clear update either.

Has the partner rejected my cv or did they fill the position elsewhere?

is this a normal delay?

As a very well-funded INI, NFSU does NOT need to engage in cheap, indiscriminate, and greedy seat expansion or new courses to generate revenue for keeping itself afloat (unlike all NLUs). Already, NFSU's batch size is among the smallest. That's the beauty and the difference. So chill.

The batch is of 120 people. You said that more than 70% of people want jobs. RCC had claimed that 82 people were there in RCC, which is close to 70% so I don't think anyone disagrees on that front. As for PPOs, 1 PPO was from outside RCC, while 39 were through RCC.

The job market is really bad. The RCC is bringing in more opportunities, and hopefully the rest 20-22 odd people will get placed by the end of this academic year.

MP Singh awarded professorship to Shamnad Basheer when he was still a PhD student and to Sudhir Krishnaswamy when he was an assistant professor at NLSIU. So STFU. Nemika is the first batch gold medalist and Harvard grad who has worked with a top US firm, CAM and an SC senior counsel. Most importantly, she teaches corp law and we need a VC focusing on corporate law instead of bullshit criminology.

Lol B tech from IITs and MBA from IIM have 20lpa as just a starting package whereas in law it's the highest. On a PayScale level IB>Consulting>Tech>Law. Except Tech all of them have bad work life balance. So don't be delusional by thinking law is the highest paying profession it's not.

Do not listen to people on LI advising you to opt for law. It's an echo chamber and these people haven't once peeped outside of the legal fraternity to look closely into other professions. An average student in an average tech University will still out class majority of law students in terms of finance and wellbeing. The high salaries that you hear of is for people who have put in a decades worth of effort, not for a newbie. Majority of people join corporate thinking oh it's better than litigation, but then end up doing 14 hours of work for peanuts. The same number of hours you give to tech or MBA and you'll get double the pay. Moreover AI will and already has replaced a lot of work that A0 do. My suggestion, if you really want to pursue law, do it for the passion and on an intersection of law and tech. Maybe from someplace like IITKGP, or IIT Delhi in law and tech

24 LPA starting salary after an MBA. That's what I started with. And I was the most average in class. That's the difference between law and other fields. The 20L per hearing in law is reserved for the top 1%. Compare that to the 1% of MBA, and you could buy a house in Dubai without blinking.

I’m sorry. Total bullshit. Any parent who can afford to front 60 lakhs a year for their kids schooling is not going to abandon them after 5 years. They may say so now and then to look like good parents but they aren’t going to follow through.

A kid in that situation might consider himself less fortunate than someone who goes abroad for their BA. But trust it’s just a matter of degree and not one of kind. You either are hungry or you’re not. Nobody is a son of bezos but that doesn’t mean the sons of other billionaires are somehow disadvantaged.

Yes. Clat is competitive. The world is competitive. It was competitive even at the start where you competed for fewer seats against 60k people. But it’s also easy if one just studies. So I don’t know, maybe your parents should have just taught you to study.

It is absolutely parental thing to want the best outcomes for your kid. But it is stupid and greedy and only a wealthy person thing to assume you can buy the best outcomes for your kid. What are you to do ? Parent your child. Teach them the value of hard work and humility so they don’t say ignorant crap like OP and get read for filth. Do you even really know your kids ? If there’s one thing I learnt hanging around Jindal students it’s that their parents have no idea what is going on with them. They’re not parents as much as they are “financiers”. Investors who have to be shielded from the day to day and presented with a picture that is assuring - and the university and the students both collaborate in this deception. It would never have passed muster with most middle class parents who know their kids and know when something is off. Stop indulging every whim and fancy and let your kids be held accountable for their mistakes, let them learn, and let them grow up.teach them how to be good members of their community.

And do this ideally before they become the worlds problem. Before they come in to universities and bring all these substance abuse and behavioural problems with them, maybe figure out what’s going on with your kid and parent them.

Teach them what it means to have a work ethic and to be respectful of others before they end up at a workplace where they are now someone else’s problem.

They’re not born into being demons or whatever, but the sheer lack of raising- I mean they have everything they could ever want except actual parents who will bite the bullet and do the hard stuff. In that respect they’re pretty much neglected.

You raise decent people - they won’t get cursed out by the people around them. Even if they do go to private schools.

Of course you don’t see the value of academic rigor and knowing things muffin! You’ve never been assessed on what you can do and what you know! But do not turn around and then claim for yourself any part of “merit” . Go to your party school, drown your twenties in a bottle, marry someone hot but equally boring and live your silly little life. But the second you get deluded enough to chide others to work harder- someone’s gonna have to tell you the truth.

Right. I never disputed that it was children of NLU grads. But just like I am not my parents, you are not yours either. Being the son of someone who went to nls is not really an accomplishment. What is difficult to understand about that ? Yes these people work really hard , earn a lot of money , give their kids whatever they want , and fail to adequately parent.

I intend to parent my kids thanks.

I’ve done it. Worked both fields, eventually left law to do an MBA. Here’s my take on it -

On the hours and workload - Cap marks is work all year around, given good market conditions, and becomes predictable after you’ve done your first deal or two. This can work to your advantage in the sense that you can plan your calendar ahead for any holidays, etc. M&A/PE/VC is extremely unpredictable and you have zero idea if you’re going to be spending the next 3-4 nights in the office. Both fields require you to slog for hours on end.

Work culture - Won’t name names, but the firm I worked for had extremely understanding partners (cap marks) and focused a lot on having a life outside work. Can’t say the same for the M&A team I worked for. But this is entirely luck - do your own research before you apply for a team.

Quality of work - M&A all the way. You’re at least thinking like a lawyer and using your brain. Can’t say the same for cap marks which involves very little application of mind. You will find yourself doing the most mundane of tasks begging for AI to replace your job, because it is just THAT monotonous.

Concluding remarks - Just do an MBA and get yourself out of this service industry. Cap marks or M&A, you’re at the mercy of a client that has the ability to dictate your time. Personally, that’s no way to live life.

These are honestly bad numbers for the oldest NLU in the country and the one with the most alums across law firms. And frankly, it’s only going to get worse for NLS with the exponential increase in batch size. As has been said many times before, NLUD and NALSAR should be preferred over this place any given day, especially NLUD.

hey guys, i've seen quite a few people on linkedin who've interned with the in-house legal team at adidas. can anyone who has interned there/knows someone who has interned there pls share how they got this opportunity? was it through contacts or some application portal? thanks in advance!

This is such an endearingly bad comment. Firstly, you completely misread a comment, and then you try to put others down. You really should work on your reading comprehension, for ▮▮▮.

Also, even more revealing is your description of Brian Leiter (!!) as a 'great' theorist (!!!). We're just saying anything these days huh?

Your entire comment is a situation of the pot calling the kettle black.

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I don't agree with the OP's comments - and I do agree with yours. There is a class issue at hand, and it definitely needs to be looked into. However, both scenarios lack nuance. OP is the "if you work hard you make it" scenario, which does not take into account societal barriers and considerations, but you also assume that there are HNI's and then poor people and basically nobody in between.

There seems to be a fundamental disconnect on the number of kids who are "rich" in Jindal, and how "rich" they are. For law batches of 1000ish (only for the 5-year LLB) kids per FY, it is just not possible that every kid has family / connects who are very high up in the legal profession or is some HNI / Promoters kid. No doubt, they have parents who can afford the crazy fees, however, they are individuals who are employees (and not at CXO levels), without the connects to get their child a solid job, or the money to support that kid forever (if they flunked out of that stupid job). They are parents who are willing to put in that money with that understanding (and consequent pressure on the child) that they are only supported until this stage and must now make their own way forward. This growing class may not have to support their family or send money home, but they also know that they have no inheritance or family business to fall back on.

I would think that it is not IB kids who would even go to a Jindal since most IB kids go abroad (that is, they're generally from a class even higher than those who send their kids to Jindal). There is a significant difference between these groups too. 5 years in Jindal will net net with all living expenses be approx. 60L. 4 years in the US with living expenses would be double, and almost close to 2Cr-ish. These are significantly different numbers.

Alos - look at the CLAT applicant and seat numbers. In 2015, approx. 40,000 people gave the exam for approx. 3000 (UG+PG) seats. In 2025 approx. 80,000 people gave the exam for approx. 4000 (UG+PG) seats. Of these 4000 seats, less than a 1000 are in the top 6-7 NLU's (which offer both a great education and job security), with the remaining 3000 seats in lower NLU's, which are actual government colleges with far from the best professors, or recruitment numbers. There is no proportionate seat increase, or quality control in any expansion - (ofc this is what happens in a capitalistic society and places like Jindal prey on these families)

Where is a growing upper - lower class supposed to send their kids if those are the options? Is it not a parental thing to want the best for your kid? Quite frankly, what are these parents supposed to do? What is your solution?

Nothing makes these kids virtuous, or hardworking or in any way special. They should receive no applause or merit for going to Jindal - they did nothing to earn that. It also does not make these kids demons, the scrouge of society, or the pole bearers of modern Indian capitalism (which is how you seem to think they are) for having to go to a private law school.

Naredi is a Columbia LLM - helps to work under someone who is foreign educated and has worked abroad - his sensibilities and commercial acumen are beneficial for a newbie CM associate. And if he likes you, even better. SAM is busy so there will be lots of work. I believe working under Richa is better after getting SAM experience - Trilegal is a better place to work at as a senior - more freedom and opportunities for self-puffery. SAM better as a junior - lots to learn for a solid foundation.

Hey,

I know what you’re going through, just know that we’ve all been where you are somewhere. But take my advice and sit for day z even if you have a low rank. It is better than not sitting snd regretting. On top of that, whatever interviews you give will help you gain experience for later.

And don’t worry, you got this!

Wow. People are delusional if they think this is good. Out of the 40ish PPOs, nobody knows how many were actually faciliated by RCC, or were secured through contacts. But good on them too; It's all about getting a foot in the door and as long as you do well at your internship, it doesn't matter if it was faciliated by the RCC or through personal contacts. Also, be rest assured more than 70 percent of the junta here wants to join law firms, at least initially to recover ROI after spending close to the same amount one spends on a decent MBA degree.

I have been pondering over this since last year. Can someone enlighten me as to why Richie rich kids from JGLS or son/daughter of extremely rich parents work out of their asses in the law firms. Why tf they are interested in working round the clock if they have the money. All silver spoons brats, this is your chance to burst your bubble.

(Ps- I genuinely have respect for those richhh kisses)

I am an A1 in CAM. The freshers salary at CAM is 18 (16.2+1.8) and then a Managing Partner's Discretionary Bonus of 1 lac if you perform well thereby making it 19. Also broo, stop crying for 1/2 lacs. It doesn't matter at long run. Anything between 18/19/20 is decent. What matters is with whom you are working, how's the culture and how they treat you. I strongly urge all to chose people over paisa if there's not much difference.

I gave CAT, scored a 99, not enough for a ABC, but still could have gotten a decent university. Done my MBA, earned double or triple of what I earned, and maybe probably moved abroad. Didn't follow through. Because we are justice warriors. We fight for the common man. We fight for what's right. A decade passed by and I am in a chamber with nothing going right, earning less than peanuts and working 12 hrs a day.

So kids, if you can and want to escape, do an MBA and just get out of this profession. There is nothing worth it in this career. The glitz and glam and passion that we may strive for is less than 1% of the lawyers in total.

So... RUN !!!!!!

Sales teams are incentivized with commissions to “close deals,” so they push people into paying quickly, sometimes making verbal promises that aren’t written in contracts.

Legal teams then step in if refunds are demanded, framing the client as bound by “terms and conditions,” which are often vague, unfair, or hidden in fine print.

Management distances itself by blaming “bad employees” or hiding behind contracts, while keeping the profits.

You are not alone my friend so cheer up. This is pretty much the hamster wheel you are going to be riding for a few decades as partner. Partnership is NOT for everybody.

Apart from book building, admin headaches, attrition, please also add other problems like firm politics, friction among partners within the same firm (different from firm politics), investment contributions (liked a new office space), personal and family expectations, business risks and threats, long term viability of the practice, new competition, redundancy of some of your learnings, the list goes on.

Acting cool and unperturbed is important. Because as nice as it is to say "I can be vulnerable", the number of people who would willingly throw you to the wolves at the first whiff of your vulnerability is truly stunning (believe me I have felt it!). So showing your brave face and carrying on is something for which there is no choice.

I made Partner in a firm a few years back. When you walk into your own cabin for the first time, while there are some decent perks that come with the job, but there is a list of things that you must renounce to the world as a part of this new designation, which includes the following:

1. Inaction

2. Peace of mind

3. Being shielded from evolving (read, largely idiotic) expectations from clients and team members

4. Being able to hide in a corner and wait for the sun to shine

Don't lose heart though. If you are bold enough to admit being overwhelmed by what you are facing, you definitely have the maturity to ride this storm out.

Mental toughness is a crucial part of this job. Or grit and tenacity (if you like those words better).

Lastly, find some hobbies, that keep you far and away from the toxicity of work. All of which should NOT involve the law or lawyers. It's something I have seen older partners (who have dodged madness) do extensively.

I expect this will happen soon.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/after-parliament-panel-recommendations-congress-asks-govt-for-law-on-reservation-in-private-educational-institutes/articleshow/123407577.cms?from=mdr

There was never a golden phase. From the very beginning, stories of attrition were quietly brushed aside, back when the founding promoters weren’t so quick to hand out partnership titles. The truth is, this firm has always struggled with abysmal attrition—and with it, some troubling stories.

I appreciate the response. I'm not very sure what I was trying to get at, I guess just a particularly weak hour and wanted to vent. Granted that some of the people who work around me are fairly smart and have strong suits of their own kind. I am not questioning their calibre, I just think the professions ends up attracting a section of kids that are smart but don't wish to choose the sciences, for whatever their reason - intended it to be a statement of fact. I don't agree on several ways being there to leave, it isn't as viable and definitely not if you don't come from some level of disposable wealth. Moreso because the circumstances in which you could land a gig overseas which is relatively close to the same cadre of the roles you get at an Indian law firm are low. Sure one could get a compliance or more 'routine' kind of jobs, but not part of the big leagues. At least not as easily. There are definitely people who manage to get such jobs, but they genuinely are top tier of the flock, unlike other fields where a relatively average skilled person can also get their way in. With regards to client acquisition not being a skill, I am sorry that came out wrong. What I meant is that while one can hone the skills needed to acquire clients, it is not as sustainable to go about it without firm backing, having money to spend on trips, etc. A person with 'middle class' means will for sure find it hard to attribute the expense needed to get into rooms where you can get clients.

As I reach my mid 50s I'm looking to rejoin the profession. I had practiced law in Kerala mofussil courts (to no consequence) in the late 1990s for a couple of years. Then segued to corporate life. Now wondering how to get a break in practicing corporate law. Looking for some insights on how I could get into a corporate law office in Bengaluru?

Cold emailing can work. It can get you the interview, and sometimes even the job. But if you’ve got a reference, I’d recommend using it. The reality is, in India—just as in many places—employers, even the big law firms, can be fickle. They often bring in juniors and retainers through connections that promise a little more influence, or some bragging rights. And here’s the thing—those folks are usually the last to be let go when work is scarce, especially if they’re even halfway decent at what they do. If you don't have a godfather and have to seek employment at a T1 - 100 law firm / chamber and you wish to keep that job - then you must ALWAYS OVER DELIVER AND BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF OF YOUR BOSS - IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW BIG A PIECE OF SHIT HE/ SHE IS .

And just to intervene to clarify one thing in my fellow propagator of common sense's comment. Of course, that's bad, too. No percentage of deaths should have happened - not 0, not 5. But all that could have been avoided if (1) Hamas hadn't attacked in the first place; (2) if they'd later chosen to return the hostages; and (3) they'd disarmed and left Gaza. As long as they have anything to do with the Palestinian cause or anybody claiming to support the Palestinian cause has anything to do with them, it is not possible to make progress.