Naah woman, the entire competition team at TTA is great without any exception. I have recently interned with them and my experience was fantastic. Work was mostly research oriented but every person on the team is very approachable and would take out the time to answer any questions you may have. Plus, I even got to work directly with one of the new partners on the team, which was a fantastic experience. The only downside is that they're a small team and hire only when needed.

I'm an associate in a law firm like the vast majority of LI's audience, what makes you think I get to coast by on anyone's labour when I have to account for every minute of my work day on an ERP tool? There's nothing sadder than a working class man who has been conditioned into thinking he owes his masters his life.

See the profile of people.... middle class / UMC trying to survive in Mumbai...

Hindi / Urdu has a word for it... "Majboori" until you stabilise or find something better or worse when your self respect cannot take the humiliation any longer.

Tru for most places BTW

Hey, kindly let me know the most prestigious site on which I can publish my article. SCC Blog (a lot of corp law firm partners publish their pieces here) V. IndiaCorpLaw (heard that it's the most prestigious) V. NLS Business Law Review V. Indian Review of Corporate and Commercial Laws (IRCCL) V. NLIU Corp Law Blog V. Jindal Corp Law Blog V. NLUD Corp Law Blog

Honest suggestions would be appreciated :)

GNLU has the best advantage, as the best IIM is in that state and IIT Gandhinagar is doing fantastically well. Modiji and Mota Bhai are pumping in funds bigtime.

Bengaluru has the second-best IIM but the IIT in Karnataka (Dharwad or whatever) is crap.

NLUD is on the backfoot as there is no IIM in Delhi. IITD is very good though.

Kolkata has the third-best IIM and IIT KGP is decent, so NUJS can benefit, but the brand value of all three are currently falling.

Apologies for sharing a topic unrelated to law firms or law schools, but I figured that corp lawyers will have excellent advice and gossip to share, especially those working with biggies like AZB and CAM.

A related question: will the 2024 election results impact the market? Will the market (esp Adani shares) crash if Modi loses or is forced into a shaky coalition? Or if INDIA pulls off an upset victory? Should I hold off from investing until June 2024?

If you didn't earn more at first, how's that the current generation's problem? If you don't want to pay them what they want for their work, or the work conditions that they expect, then don't hire them. Instead all that the law firms do is to paint a rosy picture before recruitment and then yank the rag out from under the kids' feet once they join, with a cruel, "Gotcha!"

NUJS is already having talks with IIMC about an MoU. In addition, MoUs have been entered with IISER, NFSU, Cognizant, Cambridge, Leicester, Sheffield and JU, other than a few private research organisations. There are NUJS faculty who have been regularly working with faculty from IITs like KGP, Delhi and Kanpur, as well as those from IIMs on multiple research projects.

This article is just an analysis.

While one or two provision of some labour codes have been notified to be effective, they mainly relate to registration of unorganized/ gig workers to be able to claim benefits from the codes. Nothing on the regulation bit is effective yet.

Jgls has the attrition rate comparable to a law firm. The work culture is now that like a law firm - hence many faculty have quit recently and instead of getting those with experience, jindal has instead employed kids fresh out of LLMs with no work experience whatsoever. They also pay more for Oxbridge degrees - an Indian Phd with years of research and work experience now gets paid same as a kid (who went from undergrad to grad school) fresh out of a LLM from oxbridge.

As someone who has worked opposite AZB on many transactions over the past 15 years, I disagree with the narrative in the comments that the firm albeit toxic, trains you to be a better advocate than your peers. In my field, I have found juniors and seniors very pedantic and blinkered and unable to think outside the box. It is a regular joke in my firm and amongst all my considerable clientele that one must not argue with AZB since that is akin to arguing with an idiot and the deal will get stuck - one must find creative solutions that those dullards are unable to fathom. So the juniors may be working long hours but there is not much to show for it in terms of real quality and creativity, which are the hallmarks of our profession. This is restricted to my field though (I'm unaware of how they are in other verticals).

https://indianexpress.com/article/education/iit-kharagpur-west-bengal-nujs-sign-mou-8921018/lite/

Good move and long overdue. NLUs must sign MoUs with the IITs and NLUs in their states. Next aim for NUJS should be an MoU with IIMC. Eventual goal should be joint degrees with both and a system where NUJS grads can be pushed into MBA courses at IIMC and VGSOM at IITKGP.

Not possible.Law firms will throw out the complainant but never a partner due to POSH.Law firms ensure that POSH process at companies is manipulated to save the Accused,then how can you ezoext that the POSH process at a law firm will succeed in outing a partner.Economics prevail over POSH

Are you contributing in any way to that evolution? Or are you demanding to profit and coast on the labour of others? You want to be a leisure class you become a freaking zamindar. Why did you go into a professional career?

I dont chaff my own wheat- but I dont whine about the relatively easy work I do more than people who do work on farms or oil rigs.

Its victim mentality. Yall don't know what the pay was or even what part of the legal profession I am in. My first salary was 15k per month. It was barely enough to survive in my city. I lived in a PG and ate exactly one roll every day- that was all the food I could afford. I worked for 18 months without even so much as a weekend because there was that much work to do and people were counting on me- these people were rape victims. And guess what? I'm better for it. It cauterized my weaknesses, and made me a better lawyer and a better person. And now people in the profession and my clients trust me enough to let me name my price, and let me take care of them. Buck the hell up.

Yall get paid more than 90% of the country makes and to sit in an ac room and do due diligence. and you have the audacity to cry about it? Don't you have any self-awareness? Why do you think influencers on your screen are more real than thousands of poor starving people in the country? What a privileged and cruel thing to do this stuff is. Aren't you supposed to be the generation that cares about social justice? Why are you this blind to how good you have it? I think it is actually soul destroying this kind of thinking. Getting out of law school- you make more than most of your professors in your law school- Do you not appreciate what a gift that is given how much of a scam law school is nowadays?

Or is your alleged leftism only existing till the point it makes you an oppressed class and no further?

Please spare me about all this complex legal work yall are doing. Most jobbing corp lawyers can't answer basic contract law questions in an interview.

Life is not about you having more or better or whatever else. It is not about you not envying models. It is not about you laying in the park in the middle of the day soaking up sunlight. You think all of that will make you happy- it just won't. It will never be enough if all you want to do is consume. Life is about contributing- what are you doing to be of service to others, be they your family, your friends, your firm, your clients, your profession, your community, or your country? What tangible goods have you produced? That's what actually fills the void in your soul. Why has no one told you this yet? Why have you lived such a poorly examined life? Cry for help, survival- this from folks who make six figures minimum and find most of their food on swiggy/zomato, rent posh apartments in the best places in the city and spend their weekends getting drunk. Give me a break with this nonsense. It is honestly insulting. Do you even know how much a packet of milk costs? I'm betting money you dont even know because you buy it without thinking whether you can afford it. And yet there is no end to the hyperbole.

This website constantly encourages this stuff as well. They need to freaking self-reflect if they think any of this is worthwhile discourse. Do you think you're being a force for good in the world allowing this kind of indulgence? The world is literally going to hell in a handbaskets and people on here cannot do anything else other than whine about how bad they have it because they have to work. At their jobs- which most of the country cannot dream of.

The next generation will be ashamed of you. You will be ashamed of the stuff you believe in ten years. Be better.

Its not that lawyers are underapid.Its because you are EXPLOITED that the pay to Associates makes it look as if they are underpaid.The Partners literally do no major daily work except give lectures and shout out orders but the work they are supposed to do is delegated to their PA/Counsel who delegates his work to SA who delegates his work to Associates.If you had decent work hours and less toxicity at work you wouldnt find the pay to be less.Basically partners and PAs dont want to say "no" to clients even on work thats not urgent given their billing obsession.The billings are maintained high by making the Associates give up the expectation of WLB . The issue is not being underpaid its being overexploited.When you exploited no matter what the pay you are bound to believe you are underpaid.

This existed even before as a research profile of the faculty and not their bios. As you know, JGLS had individual faculty bios which is now discarded in favour of this and list of faculty on the JGU webpage.

Too many cooks, they say, spoil the broth, and it seems it is appropriate in this context.

Hello, seniority runs the profession, don't you know :) The seniority wall is nothing nefarious but is intended for internal discussion amongst moderators about moderation decisions, etc. If those posts were public, it would prevent open discussion about moderation decisions and would act to effectively boost trollish posts.

Hope that explains it and is acceptable :)

It was many years ago while working for ▮▮▮ that the said something on the line - all airport deals should be filed under Form II even if there are no overlaps. I protested on email. We did a pfc and filed it under green channel. That was the time I realised that I m not working with a lawyer. That was also the beginning of ▮▮▮ screwing my career.

https://www.asialaw.com/NewsAndAnalysis/asialaw-awards-2023-shortlist-revealed/Index/1775

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Hi, please share information of working with Mr. Sanjoy Ghose, Senior Advocate. How is he as a person to work with? What is the remuneration he offers to his colleagues? Does he allow his colleagues to accept independent work? Any other information which one may keep into consideration when reaching out to his office. Thanks.

Hi, please share information of working with Mr. Siddharth Aggarwal, Senior Advocate. How is he as a person to work with? What is the remuneration he offers to his colleagues? Does he allow his colleagues to accept independent work? Any other information which one may keep into consideration when reaching out to his office. Thanks.

One Tier 2 MP says me today that this work don't require application of mind that's why only I give this to you. It hurts. I know I'm not good enough like my peers and may be end up being unemployed as there are lot of issues in my life. I don't know basic conversation also but we should never be say Dumb person infront of him or her Dumb It make them feel low. Let everyone live this life peacefully. People in today's world have no more ethics, love, respect, motals. What they have only is to be top in the game than whatever kind of sins you do everything is justified. Mumbai people connect to me. I need support.

Getting a PPO is difficult at the Mumbai office because they don't hire much. Perform well with no expectations because even if you're exceptionally well they're tear you down. Try to avoid work from the top management, they'll be quick to point out your mistakes and they'll grill you on it. If you don't find any information on the research provided then straight away tell that to them, they have strict deadlines and you might slow them down which in turn would affect your performance (happened to me). They don't expect you to stay late unless there's some urgent work. The tasks given are mainly research and clerical. A lot of clerical work especially if you're in the banking or cap mark team, you don't learn anything in it, it's just a monotonous job.

Personal opinion - I've worked at better places and TTA is unnecessarily hyped.

Society is meant to progress to need less labour for more profit - that is the evolution of mankind. I assume you don't chaff your own wheat or mill your own oil either. If you're working that hard, you shouldn't have time to be setting up threads on Legally India yet here you are on a weekday crying about children.

I'm not even in a law firm. Can I just say- prima facie this email does not read as an abusive or hostile environment for me. He was told his work was not good enough and his performance was not good enough- well what do you want people to do when youre underperforming? coddle you? Why would you take that as humiliation when you can ask what you need to fix and then fix it?
He was told that the work culture was intense? Why does every work culture need to be laid back? Ambition is not an evil thing and some people do want to work harder and be better than others- those people end up doing good things for the world. Maybe the firm life is not for you- but on the face of it that doesnt make the culture toxic. That rubberband analogy is essentially the senior telling the kid- hey, buck up, dont let the pressure get to you- figure out how you can be better everyday, resilience is an important quality. Why is that a bad thing? thats one of those things you learn about life generally no?
"We'll treat you the way we were treated"- they clearly dont think they were abused- they think it contributes to a productive work culture that they personally find rewarding. If theyre sitting on their fat asses and making you work more than them- thats something - but thats not even alleged. In fact its essentially telling the employe "we arent targetting you specifically- youre not some scapegoat, everyone goes through this- toughen up". He was asked to send in work on time? Shock Horror. He was threatened with a firing if he missed an important deliverable? Yeah, youre in a service profession. If you cant be of service to your clients what do you expect?
Maybe they could have been more considerate if the guys mom was in the hospital- but also why are you leaving things till the very last minute so you taking a day off disrupts the entire organisation? Doesnt everyone try to stay a day or two ahead on their work just to account for this stuff? I had an emergency first year when I was working, couldnt go into work for a few days- my boss was rightly annoyed at what seemed like flaky behavior for him. I had a conversation, kept his expectations in check and was honest with him about what happened. When he saw a few months later that that was not me being lazy or lying- and that it was genuinely a one off thing- he softened and continued to mentor me and help with my career. My bet is that this is not the first time this guy has flaked on something and then had an excuse.
Honestly law firm work isnt exactly brain surgery- my friends are partners and they tell me that as associates they mostly did the same things day after day except for an interesting deal here and there. just stay on top of your work and dont leave things till last minute and communicate your needs.

What is the alleged humiliation? Just telling him his work is not good enough and he is not meeting standards? That CANNOT be humiliation. You cannot go into a work place and expect everyone to fall in love with you and not evaluate your work fairly. Its part of working to have your supervisors tell you how youre doing- take some feedback. No one is perfect, and early career folks have a lot to learn- set aside your ego.

He said hes demotivated because of the criticism? I mean sorry, but thats on you mate. Be an adult, understand criticism is part of any job, find out how you can do better and execute. You cannot put other people and their approval in charge of your professional success. No one will sing your praises hoping you do better. When youre not honest with your juniors about their flaws they dont think that theres anything they need to fix.

To write a company wide email instead of addressing the stressful stuff with your superiors in a collegial manner? And then to leak it to the internet? This guy has shown remarkable immaturity. I wouldnt hire him again unless he was very remorseful and took some responsibility for his part in all this.

I think many people are projecting their negative experiences and assuming a bunch of bad stuff happened that the complaint doesnt even allege. These all seem pretty mild allegations and I wouldnt quit over any of this. Id try and figure out what I should do better or if this is a good fit for me.

I dont think genz is more sensitive to injustice. How many of them are worried about labour conditions for people that arent them? I think genz is sensitive to criticism. The two arent the same thing at all. most of this stuff isnt toxic or abusive- and that concept creep does real harm to people who suffer workplace discrimination and abuse on the basis of immutable characteristics. If youre being paid tons of money to do work- you better know that the people paying you will expect your work to be good.

This is despite 72 seniors being suspended for the entire semester and slapped with 60 hours of community work at IIT Mandi for ragging.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/iit-mandi-suspends-10-b-tech-students-for-ragging-72-students-face-disciplinary-action-for-harassment-of-juniors-101693999143017.html

The Magic Circle is increasingly a quaint solicitor shop in the UK. The real high value global corporate work has been eaten by American BigLaw, partly from the US, and the rest through their global offices (such as London).

In that sense, Indian Tier-1 is more akin to US BigLaw, larger (relative) mandates, bigger paydays, more toxic, more burnout.

Read the law. Please. No short cuts.

Start with the principal legislation and then follow on with the few relevant rules and regulations. Learn to dissect and interpret the law. Then for clarity and understanding, you can see some courses for these laws.

NUJS used to have a diploma course on corp laws which was very helpful. Not sure if they still have it.

Jesus Christ, not this again! Most people commenting on LI are barely out of their teens (or still within it) with very little knowledge of the world! The truth is that there is no one size fits all rule and the “brand name” of the foreign university makes little difference. Wherever you go after your LLM, you need to build a career within your specialisation by carving your own niche and working your butt off.

I won’t take names, but there are tons of people with LLMs from supposedly less prestigious colleges doing far better than Oxbridge and Ivy LLMs. Whatever snobbishness I have seen has been centred around BALLB degrees (NLU vs non-NLU). And what REALLY makes a difference is if you are a finance bro with an IIT-IIM/Ivy MBA background. You will encounter some of them in your professional life. You will then realise who the real Brahmins and Shudras are in terms of degrees!

Coming to my own experience, I went to a very prestigious NLU and then a mid-tier foreign university. Got into corp law (helped by my NLU alumni network), made a shit ton of money, got bored, returned to my hometown, started a business, also made money, then became semi-retired to spend my days trading in stocks and investing, playing squash, reading, and raising a child with my wife (who I met abroad while studying).

Based on my experience, I’d say go for it, enjoy what life gives you and prioritise happiness first!

Because of seniors like you, I regret deciding to continue practicing law even though I love this field very much. I don't have personal time for personal development or doing things that I find interesting. I feel guilty if I'm free before 9pm and honestly, even then, there's nothing I can do to breathe life into anything other than my useless deliverables. There are engineers, BBA graduates and other professionals who earn much less for the same salary. Also, you can't pretend that the current generation is that bad. We make the same amount of money as you did 10 years ago despite the increasing cost of living. The transactions we engage in and the law we handle are much more complex than what you used to at our level. We have to bear the heavy psychological weight of witnessing the glorious and beautiful lives of people who are much less educated than us due to the excessive penetration of social media. I often think that if I could save an extra hour every day or if my boss were a little better manager, my life would be so much better. Our struggles will likely cause the next generation to make very different choices or our previous generations will realize the mistakes they made, but either way, the generation you called out will be wiped out. This is not self-centered narcissism. It is a cry for help for ourselves. It's not ingratitude, it's survival.

I am a fresher who graduated this year from a low ranked NLU. I am still exploring my options by doing internships and believe I finally know the area in which I would like to work. However, it is turning out extremely difficult to land a job in the relevant area considering the market scenario and limited opportunities. So, I have decided to continue my internships (in this area) and have been waiting for vacancies to come.

I want to ask whether these internships after graduation would really hold value and is it advisable to keep interning.

P.S. - This is not a corporate space and therefore the opportunities that come out in this area are limited.

I appreciate your view, but it doesn't matter which law school ▮▮▮. Before JGLS, the children of many powerful families went to Amity and GLC. They are very successful now because of their parents, with clients that even the best NLU grads from regular families cannot secure. They also all have LLMs from abroad, which allows them to gloss over the fact that they went to Amity and GLC. Similarly, JGLS graduates from rich and powerful families are doing very well. Even if they're not, they have dozens of crores in the bank and don't need to work for a living. So it's the "death knell" only for middle-class students, who are only a small minority at JGLS.

That said, there is one big risk that JGLS faces. If the Bar Council of India scraps the foreign lawyers exam or gives instant recognition to UK degrees because of the FTA, then the nepo babies and rich kids may head off to the UK to study law, instead of going to Sonipat. They currently don't because they have to appear for the exam, which deliberately has a very low pass rate.

Greetings, esteemed colleagues and eager beavers of law!

Did a little snooping around here (as any good lawyer does) and found this... quirk. Want to peek into a juicy comment? Too bad, rookie! Looks like we're running on a seniority system. Who designed this, King Arthur's Round Table?

Hold up before you rain down with "Quality over Quantity!" or "Wise old owls only!" - this reminds me of a story. Ever heard of the Magna Carta? Big parchment, lots of freedom talk, but mainly for the rich folks. Imagine a fresh-out-of-law-school chap back then with some brilliant ideas, but... "Shush, kiddo! The grown-ups are talking."

Isn’t it a bit like saying only Dadaji gets the remote, and we all have to watch reruns of 'C.I.D' or 'Suryavansham'... again?

And just for giggles, imagine Socrates here, labeled a 'noob'. "To question or not to question, that is... Oops! Access denied!"

Should we give this policy a second thought? Or just stock up on popcorn and wait for the juniors to start a digital uprising?

Here’s to old-timers, the young blood, and a spoonful of cheekiness!

Cheers!

Here are the problems with JGLS:

- VC chose the Amity/Symbi model of many students instead of the NLU model of limited students.

- Too many human rights and public law professors have been recruited by the VC (a human rights guy himself). The students are not getting trained well in subjects for which there is market demand.

-VC and Naveen Jindal have opened a bunch of white elephant schools (public policy, psychology, architecture, lib arts, journalism etc) which are bleeding the university. JGLS is forced to subsidise them.

I have had a great experience working at AZB and Partners and under Abhishek sir's guidance. The team dynamics are harmonious, and there's a culture of mutual respect and support. The team fosters an environment where everyone's contributions are valued, and you can genuinely grow and excel in your role.

Neither is LI allowing anything to be said against Vaish Associates' Mumbai office on another thread. It is a known fact that one of the partners there is dismissive of people if he feels that they are not rich enough and is known to even talk to potential applicants in the interview that way. This particular partner and another partner in the Mumbai office are very rude and arrogant people, who derive a lot of pleasure in talking down to others. Wish LI would allow others to openly talk about this.

people train at the MC even when they have offers from US firms. this is something you may not know. the MC put the training in the training contract. nobody is telling you to be wedded to a firm all your life but if you want a promising 30 year stint, then making sure you get a great foundational outlook is the ultimate privilege of training at an MC firm

Guys, with this obnoxious news about the resignation of the associate at AZB making rounds, I believe it's high time we as lawyers and law students, of all people, stand up to this despotism. No firm, no designation no Partner shall be worth more than our well-being. It's time we stop acting like disposables and stand up against this injustice. Share your toxic experiences here.

Looking at the current trends, if you are a fresher from any law school other than the recognized few, take any job that comes your way. I am from a so called Tier-2 NLU, my juniors with 100+ batches and decent CVs are struggling to get jobs and internships.
Most of the firms are not coming to hiring except for a few campuses citing hiring freeze.

more power to you there are various partners and individuals who exploit female lawyers in various ways. Further there are discrimination on the basis of language and law school. The lawyer resort to name calling, public humilation undermining strenghts of individuals because SA PA or partners are themselves egotist