Manan Mishra wants BCI to conduct CLAT, taking away power of NLU Consortium

Not only that, he wants the exam in regional languages too. So basically whatever little money NLUs make from CLAT exam fees will now go to the BCI. Plus, you will potentially have people who crack the exam in Hindi with zero knowledge of English studying alongside those who crack the CLAT in English, reading the likes of Dworkin, Holmes, Salmond etc. 🙄

This is the problem with populism, anti-meritocracy and anti-elitism. We are headed towards disaster. Not everything should be mass and crass. The DM says that Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma are like dengue and should be eradicated. No honey, it's wokeism that is the real dengue.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/bci-offers-to-hold-clat-no-student-deprived-lack-of-english-proficiency

As a person graduated from Tier 3 NLU, I would not suggest taking nirma or any tier 3 nlu. Even for that matter, some Tier 2s also. It is better to take a decent university in a Metro city (Delhi/Mumbai/Bangalore). The University won't be hard on academics and you will get freedom to intern part time at various places. Explore legal field to the point, that you would be able to compete with tier 1 NLU student (Provided you work hard and build network throughout your law school journey).

And since you mentioned Nirma, I assume you have moolah for the same. My suggestion - if you are from Gandhinagar/Ahmedabad, it would be good choice to go for Nirma considering the investments which might be restricted to tuition fee and similar charges. (I don't know whether hostels are compulsory; have heard that you have arrange on your own for accomodation).

Just be mindful of this, law predominantly is not a very remunerative profession in the initial stages (unless you go for corporate law firms). So invest your money after due deliberation.

Most Partners in law firms are over leveraged. Their lifestyle inflation far exceeds their rise in income level, so they may be cash flow rich, but by no means wealthy. So they become dependent on the firms, get exploited themselves, and try to pass on the exploitation to juniors.

Honestly speaking, I support the Ashoka founders. See what the article also says, beyond the clickbait headline:

"Some say that there was no diversity in the hirings, creating a liberal and left echo chamber over time. "

"An Ashoka insider alluded to subtle practices employed to exclude right-wing academics."

This is nothing but woke intolerance. Fringe and dangerous far-left ideology is prioritised. JNU and Jadavpur have become a dump for this reason. There is actually graffiti glorifying Stalin and Mao on the JNU campus.

The comments against Prof Dipika Jain reek of misogyny and patriarchy. If I mention any male professor with a great list of publications, a Harvard degree, global recognition and administrative experience, people will instantly clamour for him to be VC. Just look at all the hype on LI about Sidharth Chauhan, Anoop Surendranath, Gautam Bhatia etc. But the moment it's a female people have a problem. I think the real problem people have is that Prof Dipika is a female, works on transgender issues, is an unabashed feminist and has very strict policies on coming late to class. For entitled males, that's a big problem. We have also seen many mean comments on LI against female VCs like Prof Poonam Saxena and Prof VS Elizabeth. It's just a patriarchal mindset which does not like to see women in positions of authority.

Day Zero is once in 5 years and it has much higher priority, meeting teachers happens for students every single day, im sure some students love to clear their doubts and ask questions 3-4 times a week, so meeting teachers should be as casual as possible, and also the teachers offices are shared, what about the other teachers their who don't care about it like normal people, so meet the normal people in shorts and go hostel and change your pants and meet the specific teacher ? i'm so scared of these people supporting this, i'm actually terrified that they care so much about what people wear, and these people are so delusional that they think day zero and meeting the teacher is the same, this is really scary

I work in a T1 and I switched jobs during the pandemic to another T1. I did not have much of a choice because of financial circumstances. When I moved, I took a short break, using the break time to attend therapy in the hope that it would cure my burn out. And for a while, it worked. Eventually, I faced the same problems again, but this time going to therapy was not an option because I already knew what I needed to do and leave a law firm job altogether. I am terrified of transitioning to another career, but it may be my only hope.

Can anyone advise on changing out of a law firm job to something sustainable but which is not an in-house role? I have already started applying for in-house roles but I am sure in-house jobs are just as demanding or maybe slightly less than law firms today. Looking out for options desperately because I'm hanging by a thread and if I do not fix things now, I see no hope for my life.

Kidhar se bhai/ behen tu??

Please could you provide some hint as to the location of the firm/ Partner?

I would love to join your team in a jiffy, as compared to where I am (a horrendous team at a T2/T3). Please please appreciate and value where you are. Having a decent team, with great colleagues at a T1 sounds too good to be true but if what you have said is even remotely true, you are very lucky and please do not take it for granted.

Learning hote rahega, and imo, do not switch right now. Uske liye time hain abhi.

While I support the victims or ones who are fighting against the administration, I believe that the page should be a bit selective in choosing what they post.

For example, there was a post about a case of rape in ▮▮▮. As someone who personally knows the victim, the accused, and the events that had transpired, let me tell you, proper procedure was followed and the accused was acquitted at the end of the trial. They were dating and the girl had gone into the Men's hostel of her own volition. They got physical in one of their friend's rooms after which the girl left. The girl later regretted it and filed a false Sexual harassment case against the guy. Proper hearing and investigation had taken place as per the SHARIC which is the sexual harassment code and the girl had admitted to filing a fake case during the trial.

Whenever something like this happens, sympathies and support pour in for the girl. However, even after facing the complete process and being acquitted of the charges, a guy will continue to be a convict in the eyes of others. No one will talk about the amount of mental trauma which the guy had to go through, whose parents stopped talking to him, he had to move out of the hostel and unfortunately had to suffer a year loss.

All I am saying is, don't post anything and everything. I agree with the biases that some profs or people have against the victim. However, that should not be a reason to support people who file fake cases and actively try to ruin a life.

The usual provisos and common-sense safety rules apply about contacting anyone online of course, and especially if arranging to meet if they are anonymous, as here. Always ensure that the first times you meet in a public place, and a trusted third party always knows where you are and is kept in the loop.

I did a moot court competition in my first year and loved the experience. I hadn't even done the freshers pool and didn't have a rank, and so did this through open challenge. Soon the university pool will happen and I've been trying very hard to get a good rank, so that I could pick up greater moots.

So for this semester, October and November are the only months left so I think two moots are the maximum, but for next year, the semester will be from January to May, so can one do five moots in that time? Thanks

College alag hai, but the books are the same for everyone. The laws, the judgments are the same for everyone to read. Do things get better? Sure, they do if you work hard and improve your knowledge. Listen to great law lectures on YouTube on different subject areas. If you're a fresher dejected on the sidelines, just start somewhere. Some of the guys playing for the indian cricket team were just net bowlers a few years ago. You will find more opportunities as you spend time on the ground.

The term mental harassment or mental cruelty was not invented by juniors in law firms. It's a well-accepted term used in several High Court and Supreme Court judgments. Infact Courts have dealt with this term in the context of harassment in workplace also. There's a 2013 AP High Court judgment dealing with this, maybe do some real work and look that up?

Are you sure you are as good a lawyer you claim to be? Because this is quite basic and even a law firm person knows this, and I understand that you believe law firm people are incompetent and under-performers.

You think maybe youngsters today demand more because they know their right and their worth so they won't go without a fight and maybe that makes oldies like you angry because you couldn't do the same? So instead of being happy for them, you just put them down because you are a sadist person?

And you think maybe you believe that just because you had a hard time (whatever is your definition of a hard time is) and you chose not to join a law firm (even though you could, and nobody would stop you) everyone should follow your footsteps and look upto you as some saviour of humanity even if you have no major contribution in their lives except for putting them down?

The amount of misogyny and patriarchy on this thread is just mind-boggling. You people belong to Gen Z and have a problem if girls wear shorts? WTF is wrong with you? Are you guys from a 17th century village? No wonder NUJS has become such a toxic cesspool of right-wing bigots. Next you will be defending sati.

Using NLS as an example, other NLUs will also raise their fees by varying extents, continuing this endless cycle of fee inflation. Then there are those who took a drop after getting brainwashed by social media influencers and coaching centers. They face a triple whammy...first, their cost of UG education just went up by 5 to 7 lacs; second, they lose a year (some even two); and third, they face the confusion of CLAT being held in English and regional languages.

Heard that some assault happened and the administration let perpetrators roam free and when students tried to put posters under the alias of 'sevenangrywomen', instead of tackling the guilty - SIEC(?) parties, they were instead trying to find the people who put such posters up?

What is the core issue?

And if anything, we stand in support of the survivors!

Hi, here's my take on your query, being a Nirma passout, I think I am better equipped to address your query. Will Nirma provide you that platform/tools to compete with your peers from pan-India law schools, so the short answer is yes it will! But it all depends on you, how are you using the platform/tools to upskill yourself. "Local state University" has produced some of the best legal minds (including sitting Supreme Court Judges, Senior Advocates etc), I personally know someone who has studied from GLS and is now doing much better compared to peers from tier I law school, of course there would be more friction in the latter compared to Nirma but if you have what it takes then what college you go to simply does not matter.

Even if I assume that somehow within 3 months of joining the seniors and the partners miraculously figured out that this associate is absolutely horrible at his job, isn't it a part of the seniors' and partners' job description to train this associate and maybe give him more than 3 months to do better? Not everyone can fit in everywhere immediately, maybe for him it took a little longer. The kind of work we do at law firms can be easily taught, it's not some rocket science, if only seniors actually train them.

Every single profession has a learning curve which often involves training on ground, observing how seniors work, learning from their mistakes and being given the time to adjust with the new team/boss. But somehow law firms miss out on all these and specially the training on ground aspect completely and believe that making juniors attend 100s of knowledge management lectures or conducting week-long induction session will automatically turn law students into experienced lawyers when we all know the limited practical experience that law students from both NLU and non-NLUs have. Yet the juniors are subjected to continuous ridicule, bullying and constantly made to feel like they are worthless in a profession where one literally learns while working.

If an A0 was unlucky to be in a team that didn't bother to train them or treated them in a horrible manner, then they will leave the team without gaining actual professional/ practical knowledge however their theoretical knowledge is still good enough to get them another job. So, while they move on to another law firm, their lack of professional/ practical experience follow them attracting labels like "non-performing asset", "liability" and being subjected to similar horrors and ridicule all over again.

Unlike other professions, law firms don't have a real HR department, a proper feedback system or training accountability which makes it very easy for people of a certain seniority to get away with anything because they know at the end of the day they will just say that the junior is bad at their job and avoid training them. Not like there's an HR department to hold them accountable and none of the members of the management will bother because they have probably done the same thing.

Don't like a junior's existence and want to make them quit? Just say non-performing asset and stop giving them work. A client or a friend wants their relative to get a job in your team- fire an existing junior with no contacts to accommodate this new junior by citing non-performance. Did a junior disagree with you, a senior or a partner on something? Say the junior is a non-performing asset, has bad attitude and force them to quit. Want to promote that one junior who sucks up to the partner/ senior over another who prefers to just work quietly and go home? Don't promote them by citing poor performance and lack of leadership. Don't want to pay the bonus amount promised? Don't say anything the whole year but on the week before the bonus payment just say that their performance wasn't upto the mark and pay them peanuts. Not doing enough business and need to reduce your team size without letting the world know you don't have enough business? Cite poor performance of associates and fire them. That's how easy it is.

But ofcourse these are private entities who are not answerable to anybody. Law students join these firms voluntarily knowing about their horrible work culture. But the least one can do is acknowledge that these things are more likely to happen to a junior and not go out of your way to protect the seniors and partners by blaming the junior. If it didn't happen to you and a team has been nice to you then don't just assume that it didn't happen to another junior. These seniors and partners have enough mechanism to protect themselves without you going out of your way to take their side. Partners at that level have nothing to lose professionally or personally but the junior can easily lose a lot.

Previously till the clat 2018 when the batch size of nls only total 80 due to which it was considered quality as less students and more faculty per student. After that nls slowly increased it to 120 then to 200 then now bull shit also in between around 2021 or 2022 they increased fees by 50%. This is the observation as outsider. Feels like nls is destroying itself

Check KCO's job portal, they're always on a lookout for good people. Regarding the salary part, having worked in T1 boutique, KCO, and in-house, i can tell you the salary is much better than the boutique firms/in-house. Ofcourse, work is a little hectic sometimes, but there's a wide variety of work that you can expect. For someone seriously looking to make a career in IP, I would definitely suggest KCO. Don't know about any other T1 full service having the quantum and variety of work that KCO has. Also, the IP Partners are gem! Having heard a lot of negative feedback about Partners in general, the team at KCO is much much better than a boutique/core practice of a T1 full service firm.

SAM, CAM, Trilegal, KCo., Indus- these tier 1s have institutionalised systems of taking interns only through placement cells of colleges (read NLUs). Otherwise, contacts help to an extent, but not enough in this tense market. (verified)

JSA- they have an elaborate process of 5 assignments and GD, if you are good enough at writing basic research papers, you should get selected. Getting a PPO is a different ball game though. (verified by personal experience)

L&L, Saraf- I don't understand how they are taking interns, because neither are they approaching PCs nor accepting personal applications. Only high level contacts seem to work. But again why would someone willingly work at these dying shops. (verified)

S&R, TT&A, NDA- these are super selective. Ive heard that S&R only takes 1 intern per NLU (not verified)

Had interned once at its principal office in Delhi. The work is really good and one could expect to get involved in cutting edge research work in the team/vertical one has applied for. A lot of data entry work can also come your way depending upon the team, projects at hand, capability of the intern, etc.

But enjoy whatever you get. There are only very few workplaces left (especially in the legal field) where an individual can really go on working in an innovative manner, without much deadline pressure, and in guidance of extremely talented bunch of people who are also otherwise very polite. And Vidhi is one of such places. In short, you will love this place if you don't like the hustle and work environment in law firms/law chambers.

Assi vele sab vele
Aa vela ho ja re
Assi vele sab vele
Aa vela ho ja re
Assi vele sab vele
Aa vela ho ja re
Assi vele sab vele
Aa vela ho ja re

Ho motoron mein dhichuk dhichuk
Gede shede maarein
Fursaton ko dhuan dhuan
Karke shaam udhaade
Kar rahein badmaashiyaan
Bole uncle auntiyaan
Apni aisi yaariyan
Duniya pe mitti paaye
Saanu vele kehnde saanu ki
Assi kehnde rehnde saanu ki
In a shining shining future
Sadda bright si
Saanu vele kehnde saanu ki
Assi kehnde rehnde saanu ki
Oye mitran de sang
Sab kuch all right si

Oh thodi thodi apni aisi hai
Ke tuk tuk saare dekhenge
Ho badi badi aankhien kholenge
Ji thoda humko bolenge
Yaar hai apne favour mein
Ghoome hai fir toh tevar mein

Big mistake getting some alum with a Rhodes who knows nothing about administration in an Indian legal institution. NLSIU is finished. The only reason it’s still considered any good is because of its alumni legacy but at this point, if I were a CLAT kid, I’d choose NLUD or NALSAR over it any day. 300 kids will dilute quality to the dogs.

Sir this kind comparison and looking down on other people I have been facing whole life.

Earlier it was just family relatives. Who would indirectly (sometimes even directly) show disrespect/insult for what i was wearing.

Now I am litigating in district court. I dont get paid much (between 5-7K per month and even from that I pay for fuel, emergency spends and all) . I have been using a fastrack watch of ₹1299 for 5 years now.

Once I was waiting in court for my turn. I heard 2 other advocates of similar age giggle at me and say "saala bada nahi hua hai ? Iske paas ghadi khareedne ka bhi paisa nahi h". One of these two advocates is a son of a famous advocate here and he is 2022 graduate (I am 2020 graduate). Other advocate was his friend.

Its true I really cant afford anything . My laptop is bad for more than 1 year now. I am just trying to get by and work as much as possible so that one day I can purchase what I have been waiting for since childhood.

And aapke paas paise nai honge aur weak family se aayenge toh aapko sab aur exploit hi krte hain be it law firm aur chamber. Because they now know ur weakness and that u have no option left in life.

So, it is everywhere sir.

Duniya ko aapke paise , ghar , gaadi se matlab hai bas.

No they are absolutely not free to do that? The point of getting an academic calendar is that professors cannot schedule vivas whenever they want even after being provided a clear timeline. Or does adhering to provided deadlines only apply to students and not to the faculty according to you?

Sir kuch nai pata tha humein NLU , delhi , mumbai ... waha ke bade colleges k baare me..internships k baare me...

Covid ke baad internet liya hai... now I am shocked and helpless..

Koi guidance nai thi ...

Even utne paise b nai the coaching ya nlu or symbiosis ki fees dene k

College matters a lot. .

The quality of work is top notch. However, don't expect work life balance (12hrs on weekdays is common) and be ready to work on several weekends as well. Also, there has been a lot of attrition with several associates/senior associates leaving the team to join Trilegal/in house roles.