4th year at NALSAR.

Currently, I have a callback from SAM, Mumbai (Gen Corp or Disputes) and Trilegal, Mumbai (M&A) for November.

Trilegal can't be moved to December (No slots). SAM I might be able to move it (but will set a bad impression if I ask them to move now)

What do I do?

Hello there,

I have a keen interest in the intersection of technology and law. Could you kindly recommend potential career paths in this field? Additionally, I'm looking for suggestions on law firms where I could pursue assessment internships. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. 🤔

Harvard is located in another country with a population having different purchasing power. Nor does Harvard get government funds. Even there, the fees paid by the Americans is much less than overseas students. Harvard also offers world class infra and pays faculty more than many other US universities. NLS does not do any of that. And since when is NLS comparable to Ivy Leagues?

What’s the forum’s opinion on DSK’s M&A practice in Mumbai? They have been getting good work recently and the culture seems non toxic, however, what’s the scope of growth over there, in money and learning aspect? Also, does working a year here could help me in switching firms later on (to a higher T2 or T1)

I do not know you, but your comment reeks of sexism.

Please introspect and understand where you are going wrong, this is going to help you heaps in future.

Making unnecessary observations such as these are not going to get you anywhere in life brother. I hope you realize this before its too late.

Sadly in-house salaries have no real benchmarks. All the reports that legal recruiters post trying to post a salary level range for a said no of years of PQE is more or less bullshit and a desperate attempt to have salary charts similar to law firms. To have a salary range chart equivalent to law firms is almost impossible.

In in-house what you negotiate is what you get. Of course if you are a great lawyer and a Tier 1 grad and T1 law firm you will get a good kickstart if not you will start at much below. An inhouse lawyer at say 3 or 4 years PQE may be earning as little as 40 or 50 k to as high as 1 lakh. The range becomes even more miserable at say 8 years PQE. It may range from 15 lakhs to 50 lakhs per annum (ball park, of course there are outliers) depending on what background you are from and what you bring to the company and which sector you are working on. This sheer range makes it difficult to have any set data. The typical in house team is so small that it makes no sense to compile a company wise list of salaries, something which is much easier to do when you are just compiling a Big 7 law firm list.

and its a problem. haven't you seen the student loan crisis in usa. No one is asking to asking to charge pennies but at least be reasonable, and please nls is competing with ivy league, nice joke. roi is more than investment. fees now will be 22 lakhs and avg salary is 16 lakhs. In the us u dont necessarily need to get into corporate cuzz the salary in litigation is not abysmal unlike us. Also there will be 300+180 students graduating in a year. good luck with getting a job buddy

Recent events have highlighted that GNLU is not quite the premier and student-friendly college as it presumes to be. With teachers turning a blind eye upon students' inability to cope with mental traum owing to the recent events as highlighted in the NLUD instagram post, there is a need to spread light upon all those things where GNLU has fallen below expectations.

https://theprint.in/opinion/made-in-heaven-appropriated-queer-coming-out-and-so-did-yashica-dutt-writes-sumit-baudh/1771206/

Summary:

1. Yashica: Y'all copied the story from my book "Coming Out as Dalit". I demand credit! 😭

2. Creators: Not just you. Many have written on it. Sumit, Suraj Yengde etc. 😒

3. Neeraj Ghaywan: No credit needed. "Coming out" is an old term and Sumit wrote a popular article on coming out as a queer Dalit way before your book. 🤣🤡 Also, Pallavi Menke herself is Dalit. 😎

3. Sumit: Gurrrl, don't be a hypocrite and hater. Copyright Law 101: you have no copyright merely in the idea of coming out. Also, you wanna talk about credit then why didn't YOU credit ME in your book? Also, the real credit goes to 1950s Marathi Dalit writer Baburao Bagul, whose article precedes even mine. Just coz we write in English doesn't mean we shouldn't give vernacular writers credit. 😡

4. Yashica: Bruh, I never even heard of your article. I only read it now. Many people never read it. 🥸

5. Crowd: Yeah, right. 🙄

6. Me: Even those who don't research on the subject have seen Sumit's article. Our socio prof shared it with us in first year and it's been shared on many forums. What kind of researcher are you, Yashica? 🤨

https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/web-series/why-yashica-dutt-is-demanding-credit-for-made-in-heaven-from-anurag-kashyap-to-show-makers-who-said-what-8917481/

https://www.outlookindia.com/art-entertainment/-made-in-heaven-2-plagiarism-controversy-yashica-dutt-and-sumit-baudh-fight-it-out-on-social-media-news-313679

https://www.outlookindia.com/art-entertainment/-made-in-heaven-2-plagiarism-controversy-yashica-dutt-and-sumit-baudh-fight-it-out-on-social-media-news-313679

In a distressing incident at GNLU, first-year male students residing on the ground floor of the boys' hostel have come forward to report a month-long ordeal of harassment, verbal abuse, and threats allegedly inflicted upon them by a fifth-year student.

The accused senior student is said to have forced the first-year students to carry out tasks for him late at night, even resorting to threats and derogatory remarks targeting their caste and family when they resisted. The victims expressed their fear and apprehension, revealing that some were reluctant to leave their rooms after dark to avoid encounters with the accused.

The situation escalated as the senior student reportedly demanded inappropriate actions for his amusement and even locked one of the victims inside their room, coercing them to go to the night mess.

In a chilling twist, the victims claim that the senior student warned them against reporting the incidents, threatening to isolate their batch from the seniors and jeopardize their future job placements.

These allegations have deeply affected the first-year students, leading to sleepless nights and emotional distress as they grappled with the senior's offensive remarks and personal attacks on their families.

To answer your question, being absolutely childish. Whether it fades away with time is up to you.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to do better (including being involved in "monumental deals") but the headlines and work exp. definitely come at a cost:

Health; The hours in a "T1" office are going to have an adverse impact on your health. The stress that comes with the "monumental deals" will compound the adverse effect of the hours. The money you see your T1 friends make will start going towards medical expenses more and more, as you age. I'm only speaking of physical health here. Mental health is subjective since different people respond to things differently but do remember that the depression and mental fatigue runs high in those offices.

Personal relations; spending 17 hours in office doesn't really help build personal relations. In fact, I've noticed that many T1 lawyers are quite jaded even if they may appear (albeit superficially) to be rather jovial and people. The availability of time also helps you to be a better human, understand yourself and be a better person - this will help you be a better person. More T1 lawyers than I know are hiding from their shit by spending all their time in office/working.

Money; truth be told, after a point, the money doesn't feel enough. Which is quite astounding considering you'll be one of the best paid individuals in your age bracket in the country. But what the T1 life asks of you, it doesn't compensate for. It's significant but just enough that you can get used to the monthly deposit and live a comfortable and indulgent life. The chances of building generational wealth are rather low.

I do this job only because some people in my family made certain financial decisions which had the negative effects that they did. I'd have left long back had I been in a position to live peacefully with a lot less money coming in.

Law is one of the most respected professions in India. Maybe not Corporate Law. But litigation definitely. Go to the towns and villages and the local Vakil is always held in very high regard. Even in the major cities, older people will call you Sir/Ma'am just cause you're a lawyer. Live outside the LawFirm box.

This place is one of a kind. I have interned at various law firms and surely none comes close. Sarvaank is what you get for not working hard in law school. Not one of the team members will ever talk nicely to you. All of them are very condescending in the way they talk. Their insults, threats are sometimes covered as instructions while mostly just thrown out bluntly. Mind you they only take freshers whom they can exploit in the disguise of “assessment internships”. These will go on till you can work for them for the same amount of money. The money is embarrassingly low. The principal associate (brother of the founder) is extremely rude and is very poor at being a boss. I hope some sense prevails and they start treating these upcoming talents/graduates as humans.

They aren’t updated because they’re non-existent. One of our Placement Co-ordinators sadly passed away during COVID and the entire committee was dissolved. We didn’t have a PC for a couple of years. It was revived last year with new executives that are working to get us internships at T2/3 law firms and other management firms that have legal work. However, the batch size being 300-500 is an issue because the total opportunities don’t exceed 20-30. Placements isn’t that great BUT the smart kids have all secured jobs at T1/Boutique firms. Students are interning at T1/2s on their own through contacts and otherwise. Overall the college’s reputation is alright considering the NMIMS university tag. Everyone just attaches the MBA college reputation to us as well. Difficult for average and below average students to get placed, if they get placed at all.

Same is in Harvard. The problem with Indian kids is that they tend to bring socialism in education, it's a professional course. Don't do it it have no money. Why dont comment tthe same for MBA courses. ROI is much more than investment. People will buy iPhone 15 but will be reluctant to spend the same on education. For maintaing standards, fee has to be charged. One cannot compete with Ivy leagues in meagre resources.

The SC has held that the state will need to have credible data to include a caste under the reserved category. Taking the same logic forward, If you have credible data to support removal of yadavs or anyone and inclusion of brahmins or anyone - please go ahead and remove or add. Nothing wrong in it.

This is just plain stupid. Students will end up paying 20+ lacs for 5 years. Which means most will be forced to take corporate jobs. Only those who come from a litigation background or anyone else who can afford to spend 20+ lakhs only to be able to earn 3-4 lakhs right after graduation, will think about going into litigation. Thus, ultimately, the stronghold that existing (i.e., comfortably rich) the litigation families have will only strengthen.

Just objectively stating what they said and you can make your judgements from the links below. But one thing I cannot understand is why does Arghya's book cover have a Union Jack superimposed on top of the Constitution? I think it's in poor taste. The Constitution drafters were guided by Indian sensibilities and inspired more by the US Ireland and France than the UK.

I sincerely hope Arghya does not endorse the Hindu nationalist viewpoint that we need to "de-colonise" the Constitution to reflect "Indian civilisational values".

https://www.amazon.in/Colonial-Constitution-Arghya-Sengupta/dp/9353451922

https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/a-second-look-queries-on-the-constitution-should-not-be-vilified/cid/1967473

https://twitter.com/ashish_nujs/status/1703856832354435445

Source??

From what I've heard the firm is bouncing back real hard. Have been hiring partners left right and center..all the SA, PA are from top five law school, therefore there must be some incentive for them that they have stuck around for so long.. otherwise they could have gone anywhere

Upfront disclosure. Am a man. Formerly from one of the premier NLUs. The IG posts for most parts was very shocking, some to the extent of being fantastical. Are there actually men who call their ex Randi merely because she now feels free to talk to other men. And what’s with the consistent hand holding & reducing physical space. I can imagine some may think women are being overtly sensitive but so what. If they feel threatened or abused, then as people, we need to change our behavior. And women, while you may chose not to support the accuser, but atleast don’t hang with the accused men folk as if there is no smoke. Belief in his integrity is all good but atleast make him publicly address the accusation in non-slutshaming manner.

Peon? Dude sudhir is a Rhodes scholar okay? Also just because he is born in india and he is brown doesn’t mean you can discredit him. I mean I get it Feldman is a legend. But india has some jewels like sudhir also. Upendra baxi and a whole lot. Meneka gautam and everyone. I mean Feldman’s quality is much much higher but they are good too!

I think it's just personality that matters. The topper of my batch at T1 NLU started working out in last few years and had sudden transformation with cool 6 pack abs and muscles. He was clearly smart and became good-looking as well. Still could not get a girl. Boy he remained single and dry throughout even after crafting a hot bod. So I guess nothing matters more than your personality

I am a first-generation lawyer, currently in my final year (CLC). As I do not have any contacts, I have been researching partners in my preferred practice area and sending them e-mails requesting them for an internship opportunity.

So far, I have not received any response. Can anyone tell me if sending cold e-mails like this works? Do partners bother opening their emails from students?

Is there a way I can score a decent internship in any other way? Help!