Thanks that really helps putting thing in perspective. I am gonna go off from everything.

Btw again i have one question, what about dating apps!?

I am gay so unlike straight people, i dont have unlimited choices in dating. I have to go online to meet people of my kind.How should one go about it !? How should dating apps be handled so that they dont become an addiction.I have found myself being hooked to grindr.

I also think there are deeper issues with my phone addiction i dont know.

People who read books , likes to socialise with people who are not interested in glamour all the single time and are often interested in engaging in intellectual discussion.

Do they get their choice of friends as well? Do girls usually avoid this kind of folks in Jindal?

This generation will be worse, all they know about is cancelling each other, their personality is all about their sexuality. They crib and cry. They are social media warriors, that's it, at least in previous generation when we saw injustice we were out on roads, meanwhile they think tweeting or putting a story is it.

They are very radicalized (both on the left and right spectrum).

It's not the first generation that's grown with idealism, every generation looked a lot more progressive at their time.

All those who keep crying about work culture won't work in chambers or law firms for long, choosing Policy or NGO work and those who do will turn out exactly same. So, no the culture will remain same.

NLUs having their own entrance tests (instead of CLAT) seems to be a growing trend. NLU Tripura, NLU Meghalaya following the steps of NLU Delhi. Why are some NLUs breaking away from the Consortium of NLUs? While non-NLUs like DU Law, and BITSLaw are using CLAT scores. Interesting trend.

Nope. Sudhir does selective interpretation of rules when it suits him. He himself is guiding PhD candidates about topics that he has no expertise about, but still considers himself the arbiter of quality of other PhD work even after actual experts have opined on it differently. Some of the faculty are good, others are nothing special, but the good ones cannot possibly teach everyone even now, let alone after the latest increase. It is certainly not reasonable by any standard. He's been there for 4 years now, has the placement scene improved any? It didn't.

Learn to spell right, moron. That fact that you have to pass some derogatory remarks on the valuable manual labour of a “maid” shows exactly why NLUD is superior to you losers. We’re not a law school for some cheap armchair social justice warriors who end up working at shit law firms. We actually care for real change which is why we dominate the UPSC, judiciary and every other meaningful exam. You guys can keep these lousy jobs which you end up quitting in 2 years anyway.

Please check my response to the comment above you once it gets published. I am tired of explaining things to people who don't have the slightest idea about academic careers and matters related to it, but still try to pose as experts. I have actually been offered a position at NLS as well as Jindal and while I had my own reasons for not taking either up, I consider both to be fine institutions and am aware of the modalities involved, certainly better than you.

No, you idiot. Read the rules. People will get paid more if they have got more years of experience. Do the concept of pay protection and annual increments mean anything to you? God save us from this kind of law grads. If your friend has joined laterally and not as a fresher, then of course he will be paid more. Promotion-wise, he will remain Assistant Professor for 13 years, do you expect him to receive the same salary throughout this period? Assistant Professors have got as many as 3 different sub-categories and even within the same sub-category, the salaries that they will receive will depend on their years of academic experience.

Typical of your lack of education. You clearly missed the part where he has written that he refused to take classes at NLUD. This is the lofty standard of the reading and comprehension skills of AILET-cracker trolls. You all are the worst possible things to have happened to NLUD.

advertisements will tell you the minimum they have to pay- they dont tell you the actual amount in your pay check. Please ask any assitant professor or associate professor or full professor at NLS how much money they get in hand. Its between 1 lpm to 1.2 lpm. Same as jindal.

Pay commission is about the minimum you have to pay- not the maximum you can.

I wonder why you think your guesswork is more true than the money in my bank account.

Certain NLUD people coping so hard in these comments.

There's no point arguing with those fighting for relevance and attention in a thread which has nothing to do with them.

Your comments reveal more about NLUD than any survey ever will. Also, kind of sad that your whole personality revolves around cracking an entrance test, haven't really done much afterwards or what?

Yup if you see magic circle firm they have very much inclusive policy though they prefer top colleges grads but they dont discriminate on the basis of college or reject because you were from not from top colleges see Linklater hsf they have trainee from every type of college of UK

Oh ? so it isnt true that mooting society has for years excluded students from SC ST/ OBC communities? Please list for me the last time a team comprising solely SC ST students went to an international moot? And then list for me the number of times a team comprising solely UC students went to an international moot? If students are the best at this stuff what explains the inequality?

Read all the comments.

its only the men who are sucking up to an anonymous account saying PA MALE AT TIER 1, or making comments on successful women "she slept with the partner" "women are not smart, because most CEOs are men, but let me be blind to the fact that women were repressed actively and silenced in all industries for ages"

read the comment below. the rich, privileged guys are at the top because they were given access to, they were allowed to, women weren't, only recently is some access given. also I can bet on your head that you wouldn't even reach 1 tenth of what the "guys at top positions" or Zia mody and others are. Heck, you wouldn't even be allowed to speak to them because of your fallacious logic and fragility

Aren't you the guys who want women to be traditional at home. Then you want to shame them for not working for 40 years and becoming managing partners/ CEOs?? and if someone does become, you say its by sleeping with a senior?

Can you read my reasoning and understand your fallacy?

NUS poaches star profs from colleges abroad by offering them tons of money and perks, then gives them freedom to publish and minimum teaching. These publications push NUS high up in the rankings. I know two people from Oxford and King's College London who moved to Singapore (I met them during some law firm work). They candidly told me that they were getting paid twice as much and also had a serviced apartment with maid service. Plus freedom to do consultancy for law firms.

But I don't know if students at NUS benefit because the classroom time with the star professors is low. For this reason, I would still recommend the traditional Indian destinations for LLMs (Oxbridge, London, Warwick, NYU, Columbia etc), as well as Australian, Canadian and European colleges (many European colleges now offer courses in English). For example, a SOAS or a Warwick or a Monash or a Frankfurt may be lower ranked than NUS, but I think the student will have a better experience from the perspective of classroom teaching.

Just my view. Not trying to get into a QS rankings fight 🙏

bhai last 10 years mein kya khak kardiya. If you dont know about something, dont make troll comments.

in the 90s and early 21st century, women were very actively discriminated and not allowed to pursue careers in such professions, but it was virtually nil in the 80s and 70s, when great giants like Salve and the others had their practice. Ask Zia, she will tell you that she was the only woman in the bar at the time, and maybe Rebecca John.

Judges used to literally tell women lawyers to call their husbands for hearings (Zia interview). Young women were never preferred by clients. RJ and Zia are highly privileged and come from rich backgrounds and therefore had the connects. Imagine the numerous numerous other women, who were discouraged and discounted at every step. Why not ask your mother?

I mean its not really that good even today, but now women recognise how fragile and cheap men are, and only put a farce of strength and masculinity and talent, when a woman can also do the work in half the time. Women now know that the "bro club" isn't some exclusive elite club, but only men who are safeguarding the top money positions for themselves. Well efficiency won, and more and more women are becoming CEOs, and very successful ones, turning flop companies around.

Conclusion- Learnings for you sir.

1. Just because it is an anonymous site, dont write trollish shit. Please research the history and women repression throughout decades and then look at statistics. For example-

Women not allowed to practice due to - childbirth/ husband/ judges/ bro culture/ ego--- Very few women top lawyers

Women not allowed to even entry levels in the 70s in industries, during the boom--- not many woman CEOs (which take that much time)

Women not passed down generational wealth/ property/ business like men--- women not inheriting businesses and becoming the adanis and Ambanis of the age.

I want you to read the following link too, to understand that while business works on credit and leverage- https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/when-could-women-get-credit-cards/- AS LATE AS 1974, this was the time huge business men took large loans and made big business, and women weren't allowed a credit card???!!!, will you still say "no excuse" when it was the LAW TO PREVENT WOMEN?

2. I understand you want male validation from your fragile and egoistic bros to survive in this patriarchal world of capitalism that is teaching the men to sideline women only to their own detriment and failure of men themselves (middle class men). For ex. abortion banned- women forced to keep baby even in bad economic conditions- men have to pay child support compulsorily- take loans- debt debt debt. But I want you to look at your mom and talk to her once, and understand her perspective.

I want you to recognise that the statistics like "90% CEO's are men" are multidimensional, there is a dark story behind it, of oppression, of sexual assault, of oppressive laws, of rich men trampling women around them because only women can see the reality behind these fragile men and also point it out. Ofcourse the establishment wants men to avoid women so they there isn't anyone to tell them that the capitalistic world is there to squeeze all their rights. Trust me, women can see right through it.

It's like saying, "UK is more successful than India" while ignoring the history of India itself. Please introspect. Im not asking you to become a feminist nor do I care, but want you to recognise this.

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Just look at how toxic the preceding generation (Gen Y) is. Brought up on patriarchal Bollywood movies, homophobic and transphobic shows like Friends, evil books like Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead, and supporters of right-wing politicians and tech bros.

Gen Z and Gen Alpha are humanity's best hope, but I worry that it may be too late before they are in charge.

No. they actually arent. This is the generation that will cancel anyone and ruin their lives and remove them from jobs because of microaggressions and perceived wrong think. Tell me why you think people who are so comfortable bullying people on the internet wont turn out to be bullies in real life?

Just because bernie sanders said something doesnt make it true.

Where is the proof that genz is less racist ? these are the same people that on dating apps will not swipe on asian men and black women? Surely its not boomers on these apps no? Where is the proof that they are less sexist? the same people who will hunt down any middle aged woman and call her a karen and bully her on social media because she wanted someone else to follow the rules? the kids on college campuses who assault, sexually harass their fellow students? the people who rate their female classmates? the people who tar and feather anyone who doesnt participate in hook up culture as a prude? These people are less sexist? Who said these people are less homophobic? The people who will force everyone to play pronoun game forcing people to out themselves? the people who start every conversation by listing off their identities? who act like their homosexual friends are pets who afford them brownie points and who fetishize alternate sexualities and come up with nine different ones each day just so they can feel special instead of thinking " hey it doesnt matter to me what sexuality anyone is - i should treat everyone the same"? You resent actually embattled gay and lesbian people owning even their own history of oppression so you color your hair, put an earring on and call yourself queer while continuing to be cis and straight? Is that less homophobic? Do you think gay students at universities are bullied and assaulted because yall virtue signal on social media? Who said theyre not xenophobic ? the generation that chooses to focus on climate activism to the point where they dont think about poor brown and black people who need jobs to eat food? while at the same time they engage in fast fashion? No religious bigotry? really? the folks who have made wokeness into a new religion? the folks who- on this website- defend keeping muslim women in the dark ages as far as gender just family and inheritance law is concerned? Those people are not bigoted?

VCs and professors are not heartless because they graded your work fairly and didnt grant you attendance when you wanted. Your brain is just not developed enough to go beyond what you want (like a toddler). VCs and professors understand that when 50 students manage to come to class on time and submit their assignments and do decently well- and 10 students that dont do that stuff- its not fair to give everyone the same grade or to falsify records to pretend everyone put in the same effort. Students everyday go through difficult emotional issues and family problems and illnesses and they dont let it actually affect their work. Those students end up being toppers. You assume that anyone who tops a class has an ultra privileged background and thats just not true. its as much about what you put in. and its unfair to that student if the professor gives you the same grade even if you havent been putting in the same work.

I dont think mean / nice is the only thing that matters. Mean and nice are short term calculations based on whether someone makes you feel good or bad. A professors job isnt to be nice. Its his job to educate- and that involves holding students acccountable. Thats the whole job. 25 -30 years down the line- genz will be upset that they were this embarassing in their selfrighteousness.

You’re the bigot. You assume that tribals cannot speak for themselves or that Muslim people need protection from an ngo putting together a draft . You’re the one who assumes that it they do speak up - no one will listen to them. You’re the one assuming these embattled communities don’t know how to advocate for themselves.

What is the implication ? That vidhi would falsely imprison people and force them to consult on their UCC draft ? Are you literally inside this world ?

You’re assuming bigoted things about how helpless and vulnerable these women are and how they cannot speak for themselves and they need to parrot your talking point to prove their freedom. Wake up dude.

I bet you think courts are the most progressive limb of the government in India. You probably think Chandrachud of Harvard law are better than uneducated elected representatives in parliament. If you actually studied history you’d know that from land reforms to anti dowry laws to atrocities legislation you’d know that the legislature has always been the more progressive limb of the government and the courts have always been more conservative. Despite your assumptions about different classes of people.

Ooh, name calling by a troll whose only claim to fame is that he cracked a scam exam meant to defraud school students who don't know any better! By the way, your institution keeps inviting me over there to take classes (which I keep refusing on principle), so that makes you very much the kid who doesn't know any better.

Haha because you can’t find them doesn’t mean they weren’t made offers. Every Rhodes scholar from my university has opted to stay abroad. I can think of very few who actually returned , Gautam, arghya, Sudhir. That’s about it. And folks who do come back should be recognised for choosing country over money.

It’s quite common in graduate school applications to claim that you deserve a scholarship because you’ll help the country and contribute to it when you come back. Very few people actually follow through on that promise.

McKinsey means slogging on someone else's time for almost no recognition. He came back to grab lots of power and money not to join the Narmada Bachao Andolan. That may make him more street smart than other Rhodes scholars but it is not a sacrifice. It is like investing in your own start up instead of joining a multinational company.

It's not that hard to get in if you have the right kind of privilege. It's not easy either. You have to check the right boxes but if you are street smart and privileged, you can do it. Especially if you are not too fussy about the truth although I don't want to assume that he is like other Rhodes scholars in this respect.

You’re just assuming shit n put in evidence. If they make a draft - oh they weren’t diverse enough. If they do include diverse people in consultations - oh maybe these people are being forced ( what?), and if they are not being forced ( cause how would they even be forced ?) - oh it’s just a farce and not real.

You’re assuming mal intent when there’s absolutely no need to. Understand that vidhi is not the government - they don’t have to do any of this but they are doing a consultative process because they want to advocate for these groups. Go ahead man call Akkai or flavia Agnes or any of the number of people they’ve called over the last few months and consulted and ask them. Don’t just fling mud because you have some bone to pick with vidhi.

Anyone can make baseless allegations - maybe you’re actually 2pac and you’re alive and you’re writing this stuff from the dark side of the moon - maybe you’re the zodiac killer - see how easy that was ?

Don't you have any other justification for the greed of your institution apart from saying how anyone else other than you sorry excuses for law students haven't fallen prey to it? You can write your AILET score in your CV also, maybe that will help you getting a job or going anywhere in your life, because the prospects otherwise seem dim enough for you. Go get the next batch of AILET bakras for your pyramid scheme!

Hi, I have posted many queries and about myself on many threads.

I realize that in India getting a job is solely dependent on college and internships. Once the approrpriate stage has crossed then nothing much can be done.

For example, I am a 2020 Graduate in 3 years L.LB from T-2/4 city, no name college with no environment and awareness of internship and placement cells. We all were just focused on govt exams. Started to litigate in 2021 in district court under an experienced lawyer. Struggle is persistent even for lawyers 20+ years in litigation industry as far as district court is concerned.

Decided to jump to corporate law firm but I met with HUGE and impossible hurdle to cross:-

1) Non-Branded Law School

2) No internships in corporate practise areas

3) No contacts

4) No Alumni Network

5) Dull CV

6) No publications

7) Not in T-1 CITIES to gain information

I now truly understand the meaning behind african proverb "It takes a whole village to raise a child". In other words, a child is the sum total of his environment (read: city).

I maybe late, or lost case but I still hope I can get into a good law firm and work in GCA/M&A/PE/VC , and save some money to shift to Supreme / Delhi High court.

So, I am inviting comments and suggestions from Partners , Associates and experienced people working in Corporate Law Firms.

Wish you all good health,

Thanking you all,

User-01

Lol dude do you want to see pay slips ? No one owes you their personal information. But understand that professors at different universities talk amongst themselves. And a bunch of Jgls people are always considering either applying to nls - or testing the waters by offering an elective and seeing how things go. Academic fellows and assistant professors at nls ( I know several) are offered at least 1 lakh per month, sometimes more than that. In hand for an assistant professor at Jgls is comparable at 95k to 1,10 a month.

It’s just untrue what you’re assuming.

Inflation has never been this high either. What my response proves is that students from the university have always managed to get decent loans / scholarships especially when they’re in need and they’ve been able to pay it back.

History doesn’t start and end with your generation- there was stuff that happened before you as well. At one point nls had fees of a few thousand a year , and over time it increased to a lakh a year then two lakhs a year- at the time all these same arguments were made - but nothing much changed in fact nls has become more diverse over the years than less.

There is no certainty sir.

We just hope and pray.

Moreso junior lawyers.

We pray that our senior gets briefs so that we get stipend.

We also pray that there is no surprise expenses (medical or other emergency spend).

Litigation mat kijiye unless u already have alternate source of income which generates cashflow.

First - while you may not be wrong about Corporate law firms entirely - it's not fair to generalise. There were firms and partners within firms who don't subscribe to this. You may not be compelled by anyone to change your attitude or style of living. There are aberrations but not generalising and keeping your mind open may be wise.

On the non- corp side, you're again generalising by saying that side has better work. You may be extremely happy and satisfied filing A PIL and equally happy closing an M&A deal. That being said- I guess corp firms have early money. If you're good in what you do- you'll make enough money in whatever you do. I know friends who started doing policy work (where they were paid low amounts initially) but later on due to their work and reputation got involved in multiple high paying assignments with large Corporate houses in their own area of policy work.

TLDR version - keep all options open and experiment. You may find good work and pay in all areas.

I’m not gonna dox myself because you don’t know stuff.

All I can say is a friend was hired to be an assistant professor recently and they make a tidy 1.15 in hand every month.

The advertisements tell you 7th pay commission scale, but the government only gives you a range . Most nlus will pay you the bottom most amount of money in that range- nls will pay you near the top of that range.

Ensure you work with full dedication and sincerity for that decade. Remember despite tough times or bosses or places - you're in the service industry and not a job. By the time the decade ends - you'll be sorted.

Remember what Rancho said and follow it :)

All the best and cheers mate!

Chalo seems like the ball is in our court only. Foreign law firms are coming pretty soon and honestly this is good news!

https://www.barandbench.com/news/english-lawyers-no-intention-court-work-away-from-indian-lawyers-uk-law-society-president

I hope you're still a law student as it will give you time to improve, otherwise you will have to immediately improve your reading comprehension.

The post clearly said they want an academic career. Irrespective of Stem/Non-Stem, a Ph.D., is mandatory for most universities and promotions in any academic career.