Holding both qualifications, along with econ PhD.

The problem with law firms is one doesn't need any intelligence to carry out legal work, that's why focus shifted to who is having more contacts, network, influencer, pedigree, money power etc.

I've seen class 10 passed clerks earning 12 lpa based on their experience and soft skills.

Not the case with other professions requiring some hard skills.

In law, there's only one skill which will be focused on, your name.

Baki to one third of all lawyers are not having valid law degrees and touts have been earning 50k p.m. for cases they refer.

So, better make your own name.

Hi, I have posted on this forum earlier too. I was litigating until just few weeks ago and I had to stop because even after 2 PQE I was not getting enough to sustain even a single life. I am first generation lawyer from smaller city and we dont have any corporate law firm (not even boutique law firm) . In addition to that , though my academic record is good but I am not from NLUs or any other branded pvt college So I am not getting internships even in T-1 to T-3 firms.

So, I have 2 options:-

(1) to intern in few boutiue corporate law firms in Delhi / Mumbai and hope that I get an employment in those firms and try to scale up corporate ladder, or

(2) To exit Law and join CA

Problem with option (1) is that I can not intern much for like 1 year . I can not sustain myself for long without much payment. Another issue is that I am seeking Work-Life Balance also as I will be married soon.I can not perform in super hectic environment for several years (1-3 years is fine). Is it possible to scale up from small firms in Delhi / Mumbai and become Partner ?

Problem with (2) is that CAs also dont have Work life balance and that the course is long in itself !

So, which one of the two options is more feasible ?

NUS comparatively will be a much better (again my personal opinion) option. It’s tough to get into considering the acceptance rate for their flagship UG law course.

I will suggest OP to consider NUS after Oxbridge/UCL. The application link is provided above. Prepare all and all the best for Clat!

Let me help you. Some are designated. Some aren't. Each of them are exceptionally good.

Rajshekhar Rao

Dayan Krishnan

Jayant Mehta

Tanmaya Mehta or his younger brother

Satyajit Sarna

Diya Kapur

Shyel Trehan

Balaji Subramanian

Samar Bansal

Aman Ahluwalia

Karan Lahiri

Aditya Vijaykumar and his wife

Anand Varma

ok, let us look at an avg russell group uni - Durham, it has good TCs, good infra and good teachers, its in the north of the UK, has good alumni base,

Tuition per annum is £25,750 (https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/law-m101/#fees-and-funding) and cost of living would be £9000, so cost per year should be budgeted at £35000, so the total cost in 3 years would be 1.05 crore INR, there will be some India specific scholarships but nothing will bring it down to half of the cost

the problem with pursuing UG in the UK is low availability of scholarships, they are few and far between for international students. There are some unis which have UG scholarships for international student where they reduce it to the UK level of £9250 pa, but there is no consolidated list and these are dependent on individual schools so you should look at each school and have a chat with the admissions tutor at all LNAT schools and ask them if they would have a scholarship or partial fee waivers.

Voluntary leave for the remainder of the semester means just a 2.5 month leave, of which classes won't take place during nearly 2 months. It's also not clear if it's paid leave or unpaid leave or partially paid leave.

So just a cosmetic "punishment" to soothe some egos and fool BJP supporters, that's it.

"The constant onslaught of pollutants has been turning the air passages of healthy individuals to resemble those in asthma patients, the country’s top pulmonologist told News18. "

https://www.news18.com/india/pollution-making-even-healthy-lungs-look-like-airways-of-asthma-patient-ex-aiims-director-8656518.html

So the obvious question is whether law schools should aggressively clamp down on smoking. For example, impose a Rs 1,000 fine for smoking on campus and enforce it rigorously. Or, if you prefer a non-penal approach, have posters all over campus which de-glamorise smoking: messages which say smoking makes guys impotent and makes girls ugly by ageing their skin.

The biggest problem is that Gen Z kids are imitating celebs and influencers and taking up smoking. They need to be shown non-photoshopped images of 50 year old celebs who have been lifelong smokers. Some of them look like corpses.

OP of the thread. Another important point to consider is a paralegal or trainee associate in final year is way beneficial than wasting one month with fuckwits such as TTandA. Got a long term internship and very sure I will be a job at end of this.

Other then chit chats with Feroz dubash who was witty and funny this was a task to cross these 4 weeks.

Petition to include a tag saying "student written, read at discretion"

Please upvote so Kian can actually include this, these kids have so much free time and keep spamming wrong information misleading everyone. Kid, even including luthra in this list leaves out all credibility.

I am not from NLUD, but it makes me happy when any NLU other than NLSIU achieves success. For too long, NLSIU has benefited from a monopoly and formed a cabal. Disgustingly, they argued before the Karnataka High Court, via an alum who is ASG, that only NLSIU is a national law university and other law universities are state universities, because the CJI is Chancellor of NLSIU. The Karnataka High court got fooled and accepted the argument, without considering that the CJI is also Chancellor of GNLU and NUJS, or that NLUD also has a strong national character. For this reason, we should cheer other NLUs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/opinion/democrats-biden-poll-numbers.html

Although Trump is a loose cannon, there are three reasons why a Trump presidency could be good for India:

1. He is fixated on helping big businesses grow through lax regulation. A strong American economy could lead to more outsourcing of jobs to India.

2. He is anti-China and openly says that Covid came from a lab. If he clamps down hard on China, that could encourage companies to offshore manufacturing to India instead.

3. He has good relations with Modi.

After many rejections and several zero replies, I come to legally India to help me get an internship Corp law/Dispute Resolution/IDT law.

intern.mumbai0508@gmail.com.

If you have any opportunities please feel free to ping me here.

Fellow Final Year Student.

All hatred and jokes aside, it’s good to see a non-clat (Ailet ofc is a brand) univeristy breaking it into the ABS hierarchy. NLUD ABS scholars are unheard of. And the first time this Uni applied, it successfully got one. NLUD is going places only if it stops the unnecessary drama of **** measuring contest in LI.

Best wishes

1. Necessary but not sufficient. Your CV, work experience, publications all will be counted.

2. Generally poor, most of them don't pay UGC scales and they also overwork you. Applyfor a public college/university as far as possible.

3. For public universities they put out recruitment notifications on their website. You need to keep checking periodically.

1. UGC NET is the basic requirement. You will and should do a PhD. If you are appearing for NET, trg aim for JRF, atleast you'll have a financial support for your PhD. Do your PhD now, as I feel it's going to be compulsory in the coming years. For now a PhD is mandatory only in central university. Use NET for JRF.

2. I've asked around. Without a NET I was offered 25k per month, with NET around 40k and guest lecturer 1500 per lecture.

3. Do your Masters+NET+PhD and start looking for vacancies. Amity, for example, always has vacancies going on. Find connections in academia or outside who know when and where a post is vacant. Guest lecturer posts are plenty as the university doesn't have to pay for a permanent post. Private universities are easier, as their money doesn't come from the state or central govt and vacancies therefore are not sparse. Plus the vacancies increase, as most new professors are still trying for judiciary or shift to litigation after a few years. Teaching is just time pass for them, till they get a better job.

4. UGC NET is conducted twice a year by NTA. Go through the syllabus, go through the exam structure and go through the PYQs and start studying. They might introduce negative marking soon, so clear the exam as quickly as possible.

P.S. Pursue teaching only if you have the passion. Don't join it if you have nothing else to do, instead join litigation. Please don't be a mediocre teacher and ruin the upcoming generation. All the best.

CAM,Trilegal and AZB have completely lost their Tier 1status.Not by profits but by client perception and employee stories.The kind of horror stories coming from these firms,lawyers are not joining and if they are its to get brand name and switch in six months.For CAM the situation has worsened after Hidenburg and there are stories going around that they are trying to get people into signing some bond system.AZB apparently already has an agreement equivalent to the bond system.It is open now that Trilegal is desperate to hire and hence such a hike.Clients are actually preferibg smaller firms because they are aware of the quality issues in the legal work.Tier1s are now avoided when clients want quality work and preferring specialized firms rather than full service firms.

Parameters- Pay, Practice area recognition, work place culture, senior mentorship.

Star tier- S&R, IndusLaw, Trilegal, KCo, AZB

Tier 1- SAM, CAM, JSA, TT&A, ICUL Funds.

Tier 2- ELP, Saraf, Bharucha, satellite offices of tier 1s and star tiers, LKS.

It sure is a downgrade. A senior of mine interned way back in 2018 and got an offer immediately. I interned in 2021 virtually and yet there was never any communication from the HR to me. My batchmates who were in good books of other seniors from the office got the offer even while it was an online internship. It's the most bizarre selection procedure on the planet which is shown to look like transparent while it is sheer whims and fancy of the partner and how much you know them. Merit for sure takes a backseat.

Ps- I was an online only intern so experiences might vary for the in office interns. Glad I didn't join this place and actually happy with my AZB for now.

1. Pay is around what they pay at other Tier-1s post probation, at A0 level.

2. This tier one university crap needs to stop. What matters are the lateral guys with real experience, not the fresher tier-1 guys with absolute no knowledge of how the law works outside the make believe world of moots and MUNs.

For MBBK, most of the folks who join out of B-Schools drop out just after they get their first promotion, leveraging the same to exit to relatively senior positions in any industry they like (Product, IB, etc.). If you think T1 law firms' attrition is high, do check out MBBK's; you can just look up folks from top B schools (both India and abroad) and their average stint with these top consulting firms.

Forgot to mention, you can skip the queue in the promotion route by one year for your first promotion due after 5 years. You can get it after 4 years if you have got a PhD by then. Similarly, you may apply for any open Associate Professor position after 8 years and Professor position after 10. The earlier post about 13 and 16 years was about the promotional route.

I've seen plenty of threads, criticizing teaching as a career in legal field. Is it that bad?

Can someone please Answer following queries:

1. Does UGC-NET Law suffice in getting a good college?

2. How much is the pay scale in private places, after qualifying NET?

3. How does the recruitment process works?

It would be really helpful, if someone can help out, on how to plan after UGCNET Law.

I am a former Jindal student. I can honestly say that Sameena's teaching classes were seen unfavourably by most students. She has used the C-word in class in the past as well. Yes, she used it to mean a fool, like in Delhi lingo, but that is still inappropriate for a classroom and the word is pretty offensive in other states. She also employed questionable evaluation methods. For example, she used to award 10 marks in class to students who stage 2-minute plays in groups. It went something like this:

- A boy student (acting as a husband) slaps a girl student (acting as his wife)

- The girl student-wife complains to another girl student (acting as a lawyer)

- The girl student-lawyer informs the "audience" (class) about X provision of the law and complains to another boy student (acting as a judge)

- The boy-student judge convicts the boy student-husband and cites A vs B Supreme Court case to further enlighten the audience.

As for how Sameena rose to such a senior level and received foreign research grants, the answer is a combination of her excellent contacts/network and the subject she specialises in. Just submit a research proposal on corporate mergers vs a proposal on violence against Dalit women to foreign research bodies. 99% of the time the latter proposal will be awarded a grant.

In its heydays, it used to be a great firm. My friends who have interned there earlier, have had an excellent experience. Great people, committed to their work but also committed to having a life = the best learning space. I went with this impression to intern (and trust me, this internship was not easy to get; required a lot of persistence). But realised that there is no difference between TT&A and any other toxic tier I firm. People are no longer great, work quality is poor and on top of that, the environment is terrible.

Starts with 85k gross per month, with around 3.5k increment annually till your 14th year when you make associate. Before that, you will get one extra increment after your 5th and 10th years respectively. After making associate, you will get around 2.3 lakh gross per month. Then again 3.5-4k increment annually. After your 16th year, you will make professor, and your pay will become around 2.8 lakh gross per month, followed by around 4.5k annual increment. After your 26th year, you will get your last promotion, become Senior Professor and get around 3.75 lakh per month with 5k annual increment for the rest of your working life.