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Congrats for NUJS (hopefully)
Also AILET is not tough, it’s just how well you handle the pressure in analytical reasoning. Good luck!
@Tier-1 NLU
I am scoring 87-88 (depends on the final answer key) and I have nujs domicile. Will I get my dream college? I am also attempting ailet but it’s very rough so I don’t have my hopes on
GNLU
NLUD
Most firms don't really care about your grades tbh. They'd not know or even care about your marks at any juncture. You may not be eligible for college placements on the downside and a good to average gpa would have definitely been a cherry on top but it's not the end of your career. Most firms give a lot of importance to the interviews and work experience. I know a number of people who are batch toppers and still don't get opportunities to intern or get placed as early as they think they will. Could attribute a part of the cause to nepo products but it's just that nothing else on their cv apart from their batch rank stands out and that's a clear indication that your gpa isn't the end game. I know people who ended up getting placed through ppos and their sheets were asked post their placements. There are people with average grades who are preferred over people with good grades, simply taking into account their work experience. 3-4 years down the line it really wouldn't matter. But you might take a bit of time to establish during your formative years.
You'll have to slog a little not only towards clearing your backs but also towards improving your cv. You could start off by networking on LinkedIn and trying to contact people within your field of interest. You could try pursuing RAs during your semester or online internships with advocates, whilst working on publications. Try to intern at botique law firms to begin with. You get a good load of work experience and get to form personal connections with professionals within your field. The working atmosphere is informal and once you've shown your interest in a certain field or demonstrated a commendable work ethic, you could ask questions about their work, how they started off, express your interest and ask for suggestions to go forward.
You'll have to try harder and go out of your way for things to work out. Things won't be served on a platter.
in terms of placements, these threads might be useful:
https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-nlu-jodhpur-successfully-concludes-day-zero-process-for-the-batch-of-2024
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/273191-gnlu-runs-the-show-amidst-a-grim-placement-season
NLUJ has always been more oriented towards a corporate culture too, as evident by its course curriculum and faculty.
besides that, the cultures at GNLU and NLUJ can vastly differ. i would recommend getting in touch with students who are currently studying there to ask about student life on both campuses
I totally agree with #3, we need more courses on corporate law subjects, especially when most of us are looking for law firm jobs. 'Anti-law firm attitude' is sort of present in all the professors, except the ones who teach corporate courses.
In some companies, they play role of GCs, and are usually the one in charge of referring matters (with approval of board or CFO).
At some places, they are merely for formality - they don't do anything.
And do you have any idea regarding the possibility of getting a PPO there if I'm interning for the first time? I am a fourth year student.
Given that you don't have any experience, you may be asked to work on assessment - which I think you should go for. This is what I did - had no experience in corp.
I think general corporate is not going anywhere - you can start with that.
1. Gives a lot of guys/girls like me the chance to get a good hands-on exposure. Although I am jealous of you guys because a. infra that you had and b. the classroom environment.
2. The ultra-rich vac school attendees are few in number and even fewer will actually even bother trying to take the jobs that we are vying for.
That said, I hope you get all your wishes fulfilled! Cheers mate and again, apologies for me lashing out.
This has really helped our team perform well.
But I saw the paper and it was quite easy, 85-90 for a T-2 NLU is my guess.
Admin speak: "Teri keh kai lunga.".
Students speak: " Ok daddy."
Which one should I opt if my main concerns are placement, Internship, foreign placement, faculty, campus
I don't wanna go into judiciary and aiming for corporate placement so tell accordingly
Thanks !
please compare on the basis of
•Placement (if someone will passout after 5 years can they expect a higher package)
•Foreign placement
•Foreign placement
•Internships
•Academics, Faculty, Campus
Thank you and please don't bring NLUD in between 🙏
1. Insistence of making courses like Gender and Law, Sociology, Law & Development, Jurisprudence and Human Rights compulsory. Then foisting LW profs and curriculum on the students. These courses have no relevance in the market --- certainly not with the curriculum that is taught.
2. Under emphasis on clinical legal education and overemphasis on legal theory (encapsulated by Sudhir Krishnaswamy dismissing the IIT Delhi director's view at the India Today conclave).
3. Overemphasis on public law and underemphasis on commercial law. Why is Public International Law compulsory and why 2 courses each on Labour Law and Family Law? Why not take Company Law 3 courses, Indirect Taxes 2 courses and Insurance Law compulsory?
4. BS argument that lawyers are social engineers and so law schools must charge low fees. Even as IIMs charge a lot more and law schools abroad are very expensive. Low fees = low revenue = no money to spend on infra or hire good profs.
5. By supporting reservation and also taking additional affirmative action measures
6. Anti-law firm attitude
7. General lack of space to centre-right economic ideology.
Lots of love,
From a law school & b-school that you can never crack in your entire life
It is an unethical way for them to get cheap labour but hey, the people getting trapped are anyways the ones who may not have any other opportunity so something is better than nothing at the end of the day for them too.
They offer 4 week internships to RCC routers and give them the PPO.
People, please suggest options for law firms/chambers or other related job for a fresh lawyer in Indore city. It's not possible for me to leave my hometown.
He even had a few criminal antecedents attached to him which were discovered later.
It was after this incident that KCo adopted a stringent background check policy.
Now this might sound ignorance to you, but it is the truth. Aam aadmi knows NLS and to some extent Faculty of Law, Delhi Univ. Beyond that any other NLU/college is same for 90% of non law people. It is like people know AIIMS, Delhi and respect it, even though Safdarjung is equally tough to get in, but for non NEET people, Safadarjung is another hospital. Faculty of law DU is famous because India's top lawyer politician like Late Arun Jaitley, Kapil Sibbal all have been from this college and many from Faculty of law crack UPSC CSE too.
So, in my opinion, first choice of many Non law people who aren't preparing for Govt. exams and have time & money at their hands, would be NLS. And thus, the competition for NLSAT will increase.
If the Bar Council of India does 2 things - 1. reduces the LLB to 2y and 2. creates a 3y hybrid degree where students take a mixture of live and in person classes on weekends like in ISB PGP Pro, then I think NLSAT competition would increase manifold + would lead to inclusive growth of legal education in India.
Any insights will be helpful. Thanks
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Placement scene for the current batch is disheartening.
This is what happens when you are ok with Maladministration, and don't raise voice.
hinglish with whoever understands hindi and english
hindi with ppl who understand english, but heavily prefer hindi (for some reason, mostly ppl from the hindi heartland)
In a shocking turn of events, MNLU Mumbai is under scrutiny as students have raised serious allegations against the Vice Chancellor, Prof. Dr. Dilip Ukey. The students claim that the Vice Chancellor terminated the employment of a Dalit driver, Mr. Udhav Kamble, for refusing to perform menial household tasks, including cleaning the Vice Chancellor's personal toilet. According to the letter sent by concerned students to various authorities, the incident took place when the Vice Chancellor visited his house in Pune. Mr. Kamble, who was assigned as the Vice Chancellor's driver, was allegedly summoned to the residence and asked to undertake cleaning duties beyond his job description. Upon refusing to clean the personal toilet, Mr. Kamble's employment was terminated without any stated reason. The students further assert that this is not an isolated incident, claiming that the Vice Chancellor has a history of making drivers and other multi-tasking staff perform household chores at both his Pune and Mumbai residences. Previous instances of terminating employees for refusing such tasks have been cited in the letter, raising concerns about exploitative practices. The letter contends that these actions not only violate the principles of equality and justice enshrined in the constitution but also amount to a form of modern slavery. The students argue that individuals are being coerced into performing tasks outside the scope of their employment, degrading their dignity and perpetuating discrimination based on caste. In addition to the termination of Mr. Kamble, the students allege mistreatment of a female multi-tasking staff member who was forced to work as the Vice Chancellor's domestic help. Despite raising complaints, her voice reportedly went unheard. The students have called for a thorough investigation into the matter and are urging the Chief Justice of India and other authorities to set up a neutral committee. They are also requesting the Vice Chancellor to go on leave during the investigation to prevent potential interference.
**The letter further touches upon ▮▮▮. The students demand financial transparency and accountability. The students express their commitment to bringing about social change, and the letter has been marked to various higher authorities, including Union and State Governments, leading members of academia, eminent lawyers, activists, students, and faculty members. The allegations have already prompted the students to reach out to the press, seeking wider attention and support for their cause.▮▮▮
Don't.
Nothing is worth even a blemish on your reputation for intellect and integrity.
Man is a beast, super intelligent.
You will get a job dude. Don't worry for NLSIU placements.
If you get the internship through RCC/OCS (four weeks), then it’s one shot, provided you are in your fourth/fifth year.
Do not repeat such things in public. Outside the law echo chambers from which you speak, people will start laughing at you. It is not to demean lawyers, but, it is just the truth.
The thing is, to solve even 1 problem of Jee Advance, you need 150Q ka backing. Meaning read theory, then solve 10 Q which are almost highly applied on that theory (so the Questions are also part of the concept building) and finally try to solve the Jee Advance questions. If you score around 50% marks you are in the top 500. Just imagine - the best mind in India cannot solve the whole paper.
So, for every chapter in JEE there are 100-150 page notes which you end up creating having a lot of formulas, and tricks. You need to mug up the theory + these questions even to attempt any one problem. Finally, there are 70+ chapters, so 70*100 = 7000 pages of almost pure data. Complete data with almost 0 logic as all questions in your notes will have some trick, some new thing completely unrelated to the previous question. So, JEE becomes extremely tough.
Compare it to CLAT where you do not specifically need this much note-making to get a correct answer. You might select a wrong answer, but, with practice, you can come to the right answer. Here, - tumhe hawa hi nahi lagega ki what is being asked. There is no gyan that you can derive from the question. You need to know the full chapter + 2-3 allied chapters to even understand what is being asked. So, you become completely, completely blank.
The most intelligent, hard-working people I know got 1000 ranks in IIT JEE advance. Not even under 1000. Their level of dedication, discipline, mugging and making of notes during the 2y was unparalleled. Do not, I repeat, do not be in this bubble that these men and women cannot speak better English, comprehend better, create drafts or contracts or negotiate better than you. They can, they definitely can, but they never wanted to. They could have burst open your arguments, destroyed you in CLAT exam and would have out-competed you in NLUs (if NLUs actually had no state quota and were actual institutes of National importance). More people in India give COMEDK (Karnataka Engineering entrance) than the national level law entrance CLAT. So, simple probability says you have a better chance of cracking CLAT than even a RV college of engineering.
It is good that you selected CLAT and left the uber competition and rat race of Engineering and then MBA (where at 99.89 I have seen boys and girls in IIM Kozhikode (Not even A,B,C or L (just imagine) where every day one thinks, how dumb he/she is and what is being taught & why he/she is here.
It is courageous to say no to this whole IIT JEE science charade. In the end, in this consumerist world and new D2C brands, money-making ability is the final scale of success. And people in law are making money in coherence with their talent in languages. But, to think, that you had a tougher exam than IIT JEE and somehow the top NLU students out-competed IIT/BITS students to get into NLU is pure bull.
Let us take one exam which is almost a level playing field for both and the top IIT/BITS/AIIMS people try for it too - UPSC CSE. It is unpredictable enough for all of us -
-has a good mugging up and factual component (UPSC Prelims),
-has a great writing component where questions keep on getting modified every year (Mains),
-has a creative component (Mains essay),
-has a math component (CSAT),
-has a logical reasoning component (CSAT passages).
See some stats online. 60% of all UPSC CSE cracking bureaucrats are Engineers. Why is that? Now don't give me that - I am happy in my Lawyer job. You can earn in multiples of what you are earning plus you have societal prestige like no other. Also, I think there is only LBSNAA-trained top bureaucrats who have the guts (in their first 5y) to stand up to the MLAs/MPs and even Chief Minister. (Read about Dr. Gautam Goswami who cut the mic of Home Minister Advani in front of 3 lakh crowd in Patna, Bihar). Why are you in some top NLU? Because the best of the best of India did not compete with you. It is plain simple.
Again, this is not in any way trying to demean the legal education fraternity. Lawyers like PM Nehru & Dr Ambedkar were leaders of men. The law gives a structure to society. And we have been a law-abiding society from Chanakya ArthaShatra to Allaudin Khilji's 4 ordinances. Science allows you to question, but, before questioning, you need to study and mug a lot. There is not interpretation or your Point of View in Science which is suffocating to free thinkers. Law is complex in its own way. But, to say CLAT is tougher than IIT JEE or BITSAT is pure crap.
Anyway, you won't understand if you don't want to. And you will give this example, that example. The point in life is, to find our path. If law is your chosen path, so be it. But, at least be humble enough to accept, that maybe, (just maybe), someone else also has the brain to read 200pages/day, write better, argue better, structure better, negotiate better, sell better and find those 'words' whose meanings can be differently interpreted (this gyan I got while studying UPSC CSE polity Vision IAS questions, saale khod khod ke question me words ke meaning ka baal ka khaal nikate hai).
Adios!
So can someone help me understand why is it so? and how does placements in NLSIU look like?
1. Your statement questioning the validity of the existence of "Bharat" and "Indic" civilisation does not hold water when history clearly says otherwise or maybe you are a subscriber to an alternate form of history.
2. Constitution has little to do with civilisation and history and more to do with governance and socio-economic development - Ok but when the history of a civilisation dictates what the "rights of the citizen and the federal governance structure" are and how do you reconcile with that fact? and how can you then exclude that history entirely?
3. Who is denying "Bharat" this agency? - This finally confirms my suspicion that may be you have not read the book and are making an argument of argument's sake with an ulterior motive, because if you had then you would know the answer to your question.
Also, there is no mention of "Brahmin"/"Brahminism" or even a distant hint at that term in the passage that you have posted here.
In conclusion you need to get a firmer grip with the history of this country and read more literature from authors outside your echo chamber.
Any suggestions for the way forward