why cannot NUJS get almuni to come and teach? so many of them who are both good and interested in teaching? if administration is not doing enough, students should take efforts. invite them for guest lectures. ask them to waive fees. I am sure they will do this much for their alma mater

As an A0 (batch of 23) who is currently working at a T1 who keeps getting such requests, please note -

1. A0's themselves are on probation and new to the firm who they do not have any definitive say in recruitment of interns.

2. While messaging please make your message with some achivement that normally is not done by other students eg an empirical study or a research grant or a good paper publication etc. Ensure that it is relevant to the practice area you are applying to.

3. It's always better to reach out to Partners/Counsels/ PA's/SA's who have more leeway.

A0's like me would honestly love to refer good applications on LinkedIn but please understand our hands are also tied.

All the best!

You should have done some background research that BALLB students usually do. Students had to go to exam centres and write clat 2020. It wasn't an exam that you could attempt from home so I don't really understand the reference to "Online CLAT".

As for people getting caught for plagiarism, you need to consider the fact that everything went online and it was difficult to make them understand how plagiarism works or how a researcg paper is written. So they did have a huge disadvantage at the start, when people need help the most.

That batch is anyway considered as a poor batch by NLS standard. The fact that you guys are struggling to keep up with them really shows your incompetence.

Hi bro, it's your decision ultimately so I would just give insights on what I have seen of law till now. I am also from a non-law background, a middle-class family and parents want me to do govt. job.

Here is my take. Firstly, why are you interested in law? Please don't make the mistake that I did which is thinking law is all about communication(read: debate, elocution) skills. It is not. It is largely reading mundane stuff every other day. It is then about writing, cut copy pasting, (aka drafting) and lastly it is about speaking. That's what law is. So don't judge this profession by movies and shows like suits.

Secondly, litigation (i.e. going to courts ) is still very much family oriented. It will take around upward of at least seven years to be an established lawyer in courts (though there might be rare exceptions). It could go worse as well. The easier options for us all are law firms, in-house counsel, academia and government jobs. That's it ...so much for diversity of jobs.

For academia you have to do llm (mandatory) preferably from an NLU to get a good teaching job in some average law schools. I hate to say "average" but status is a reality. Top NLUs take guys who have done LLMs from abroad which people like us could only afford if there is a scholarship.

Now coming to law firms and in-house counsels, try to get into at least top 4-5 NLUs and other Good Law colleges. Below that chances are very low. Ordinarily average guys (like me) get placed from these NLUs. In other NLUs you have to be amongst the cream. Law firms pay is good but as you and I have heard here (mind you only heard ...not experienced) the work-life balance is pathetic. I won't say to any of my friends to trust law firm salary to pay off the loans considering the toll it might take on me. It doesn't matter how much money they pay, if your health says no, then it means no. Again, that's what I have heard. I heard similar things about NLS when I was preparing for CLAT. It is hard and but not as much I heard. With time, you learn to survive. Things did change for good over the years. I hope I get to see from law firms.

In-house counsels are relatively better in terms of work-life balance and pay is reasonably well even if not as much as law firms. That's what I have heard(again ...heard). For this as well you should try to be in those top 4-5 NLUs and mind you the job opening here is much less. Usually they hire who have work experience in law firms with few years of experience.

Then comes govt jobs : upsc, judiciary, legal jobs in govt PSUs and other bodies like SEBI, RBI etc and other exams like assistant public prosecutor etc. Work-life balance I hear is pretty good and pay is okayish to good depending on your expectation.

Lastly with regard to law schools at least NLS is charging very high fees 4.15 Lakh for one year around is for the coming first years ...equally I guess for three year LLBs. Usually they charge same but you can google it. NLU Delhi also has increased its fees and so do other NLUs. I am pretty sure many of our seniors wouldn't be able to afford NLS at this rate. Do check fee of other good law schools and univs. If you are from M.P. medhavi chatra yojna is a good thing. check that.

Also look up about IDIA . It is basically like super 30 of CLAT. They provide scholarships as well.

Also if you plan to do govt job like state psc and other reputed ones, then you get a sabbatical of few years for studying. You can do 3 year llb from NLS after few years. There are quite a few govt employees above 28 or 30 age who are studying 3 year LLB from here. Placements of the first batch is yet to happen but looking at their quality I have no doubt they will be successful. The age factor of few of these students is what worries me though. Not sure if law firms would be willing to take 27-28 year olds as AOs and whether inhouse counsels would take them without law firm experience (a few like ICICI, Axis, ITC etc do..but largely that's it at least in NLS)

So yeah think through all these ....my suggestion would be to prep for govt exams. If you want to choose law, then Godspeed! You can try cheaper alternatives like GLC or other law colleges in Mumbai etc where you can intern from first year and take advantage of being at Mumbai. I have interned with quite a few local college students while interning at T1 firms in Mumbai. Also you could afford to pay back you relatively less fee by litigating as a junior if you happen to study in these colleges (I assume).

That's all I know

Pax!

Not the person you were responding to but they were talking about how AMS prefers 5 year law students over 3 year and I know multiple people who have interned under him from the 5 year LLB course including one person from Nalsar. (Do some basic LinkedIn research) What I did not understand is why you wanted to restrict it to NLS only and not to 5year LLBs as a whole? In any case, internships and juniors in the chambers of senior adv are based purely on contacts. It has nothing to do with University.

If NLSAT is bringing in people who lack basic legal reasoning abilities then it's not a good news really🥲

Recently graduated from ILS. My seniors and I found jobs at the firms you’re talking about- JSA, AZB, CAM, SAM, KCo. Either PPOs or campus placements. It’s not the easiest, and a lot of it is a question of luck. But it happens, and is not rare. Even if not immediately after, two years in everyone finds it easy to lateral into these firms. That is not difficult.

Massive Revamp of Curriculum under the new VC,The Academic Schedule has been changed with all Saturday's now designated for "Other Non Teaching Academic Activities". Moreover the testing mechanism now reduces the number of tests to one test per semester along with midterms and end exams.Furthermore a trend of move towards a research based institution with the streamlining of projects and the use of turnitin combined with new rules regarding formatting.Will this lead to nluj becoming A Top 3 soon?

Nobody Honestly Cares about your rank, they're most interested in the kind of personal ity you are, Plus There's always the Anti Ragging Cell and the SC/ST Cell for any grievances, However I assure you that nluj jas friendly seniors who'd accept you regardless of circumstances

Cold emails do work. Just involves a lot of luck. You can maximize your chances by sending mails at a relatively free time for the partners (sometime right before or after lunch). I know someone who got a SAM internship through a cold mail within a day of sending that email. At the same time the person got no responses from 15 other partners and the responses that did come through ended up nowhere because the HR rejected the application subsequently.

Best you can do is just draft thoughtful emails, because even if the partner ends up opening the email, it has to be a compelling one to stand out amongst the hundreds of applications. Try to make the email personalised in some way, whether it's some case they worked on, how it relates to something you probably published or did a moot regarding. Just think it through.

Once that's done, try to send it at a time when you would reasonably expect a law firm partner to entertain emails that do not concern work. Baaki bhagwaan bharose.

Those who do well will make a 2 month bonus. If you killed yourself, you will make 3, but that pretty much is a cap. Those in the north of 3 months is a tiny fraction of the firm.

The smart ones save themselves 500 to 700 hours of work a year and take a bonus which is usually half a month lower than the top performers.

Sure. This is part of it. But honestly - there’s some introspection required from folks who do llm in India also. They choose to do it while prepping for exams. They resent having to do any work. Most of them don’t want to be in academia at all - they’re not interested in research or writing or improving standards of legal education. How many times on this website have we seen llm students complain about course load ? If undergrads can handle these courses why can’t graduate students ? And if you’re not gonna be ambitious and hard working and contribute to building the university where you’re at - it’s a bit ridiculous to expect people to respect you or treat you well when you might be undermining all the work they’re doing.

You don’t get respect by demanding it to be honest - you just have to be so good you’re undeniable.

Not OC, but I know several NLU students who have interned with AMS at least. Shakti Vardhan and Mihir Mathur from NLUJ, Wamic Wasim from RGNUL, Kabir Dev from NLS, Aujaswi Maken and Madhav Khosla from NUJS. People like Lzafeer Ahmad from NLUJ, Moksha Bhat and Thomas Kuruvilla from NUJS had even gone ahead to become his juniors eventually.

It has been taking interviews for 2024 Summer Internship Cycle and they have been a trainwreck. Very very technical and hardly one or two questions which are HR based. The interview is generally for 10-15 mins. Mostly based on your CV but expect technical questions. A principal associate or a senior associate takes the interview.

The difference between old pension scheme and NPS used to be that the former would ensure a minimum pension amount paid to you based on your last drawn salary, whereas the latter may or may not do that, depending on the nature of the market where the pension contributions from you and your employer have been invested in.

You would be contributing towards the pension fund from your salary (a fixed percentage of your basic + DA) and the employer would match that every year. You may contribute more voluntarily. This holds true for NPS.

There are tax breaks available on the money so contributed from your side up to a certain level.

Saw this today. It mentions that SAT has said that the delays by Sebi are wrong and look like they are due to vested interest.

https://www.barandbench.com/columns/the-dented-credibility-of-the-securities-and-exchange-board-of-india

Studying law is actually the best thing. The problem is with industry. People are pathetic when it comes to pay. Also, figure out whether you would like the work culture in corporate or litigation before deciding on law. If you don't like the tasks involved, you will end up either compromising your life by being forced to choose one, or you will have to move further with higher studies to broaden your options later on. And this is gonna cost you time and money both.

Nonsense. That is because traditionally law has been seen as a "humanities" degree, and hence BA-LLB is more popular with those having a humanities background in Class 12. With the way law discipline itself is changing, moving forward it will be BBA-LLB and BSc-LLB. State NLUs are not the bellwether for law education. There are national universities that don't offer BA-LLB anymore. The problem is that state NLUs are so tightly connected with BA-LLB, that not offering that option is too disruptive to the traditional approach that NLUs are not willing to take.

With the CLAT it's atleast one exam and 26+ NLUs. Saves us money. Also gives some sort of hope. Get a rank then apply for individual interviews. Whereas currently apply individually everywhere then find out more than half of the interview candidates are alumni and all your chances are lost. End up doing PhD from a shitty DU. - My life story

Start with corporate. Enjoy life. Then when your 1st gen is ready to retire, join them, and carry forward the name. Don't let your 1st Generations efforts go in vane, especially since it's hard to build a name and get a chamber nowadays. Most of my friends have done the same. They're chilling in corporate and in a few years will return to marry and settle in litigation.

As a lawyer the only impact that you can make is get into litigation at the local level and MC Mehta that shiz. If you're interested go to special states like Himachal, Uttarakhand, Sikkim, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram and Tripura to challenge govt backed projects of corporates that are harming the environment. Whether you like it or not, corporate firms are not doing much for the environmental. On the contrary if you're representing a corporate than definitely it's the encroacher.

Another option is, if you have the age & degree, join the Indian Forest Services. Plenty of posts in the service. However, hard to get in without science, and that it's a competitive exam.

The last would be read, research and find a topic in the environment that you're really passionate about. Example water or waste management is a pressing issue. And then become an activist. Join an NGO or an iNGO and work upwards.

Lastly, join politics and become the environment minister. But even that is now more corporate friendly and less environmental.

Personally, the most change that you can do is in the local level, and unfortunately whether we like to accept it or not, being corporate slaves we prefer our luxurious life than to struggle in the field with bare minimum wages.

It's a phase. It will pass. All the best.

Nonsense. With that logic the NLUs with BBA LLB courses like GNLU and NLUJ should be having much better reputations for student outcomes than the BA LLB courses at the tier-1s like NLS, NLUD, etc. They don't. That's your personal preference, not the whole "industry's".

1. Ensure your linkedin profile is upto date.

2. put 2-3 posts in your interest area (can be basic legal updates as well)

3. connect with people you want to intern under (PAs/SAs/Partners of firms or junior associates of chambers you want to work under)

4. You can use this message if you want "Hello Sir,

It is great connecting with you. As a young law student, I am currently looking for interning opportunities. It will be of great help if you could share the email id of ***, wherein I can forward my application for the same."
^ this is what i used, and the person was kind enough to grant me an internship spot.

Feel free to modify it, to make it more amiable(?) for your profile.

Hope this helps.

Alternatively, if you have recently published an article/research paper, which is in your domain area, try sharing it with the abovementioned on linkedin. this can help in breaking ice. and then ask for an internship.

there is a higher chance that someone might respond to you seeking their feedback/advice vis a vi directly an internship.

Good luck!

Don’t take a drop dude, this is not CAT or UPSC. People crack CLAT in a matter of months, you are wasting crucial time. Imagine your schoolmates who didn’t take a drop, they would be 2 years ahead of you already. Plus, sitting at home without a job is the worst thing you can do in your 20s. Even people who prepare for competitive exams do it along with jobs because the gap in CV becomes difficult to justify at the interview stage.

Yes, the privilege can only be enjoyed by the batch that cleared the online CLAT and has the most insufferable and pompous jokers around. No wonder your insecurities are sky-high. Get caught out on en masse plagiarism as soon as college goes offline to hounding out professors, writing homophobic slurs on chalkboards is emblematic of your batch and their overall juvenile paranoias.

I'm in the same boat as you.

I took a drop after 12th for btech. After that i realised I'm not liking science so decided to go do B.Com since i was clueless. In my final year i realised that law would be a good option for me since I'm good with reasoning, love reading and writing, and hate maths and science so nothing quant oriented would be good.

So i did a 3 yr llb from a not so well known college. Will be graduating this year, 2 yrs later than most lawyers my age.

Accept it, it is what it is, no good will come out of crying about this so make peace.

Do good in law school now.

I struggled a lot, interned a lot, I'm still struggling but rn I'm a long term intern at a tier 2 and am nearing graduation at the age of 24. Hope something works out here.

Also, a couple of fresh associates are even younger than i am. But it's okay you get used to it after some time so.

What should one do as a first gen litigation aspirant to get placed with an AOR in Delhi?

Also I'd like to know the payscale if possible (I've absolutely zero clue about this. All I do know is that the pay is highly dynamic and depends from AOR to AOR)

(Currently in the second semester in a tier 3 NLU). Would appreciate if someone sheds some light on this

Take a partial drop ie join college but prep hard for CLAT/AILET on the side. No studying too hard for college (you may not need to anyway as a college filled with 6K rankers isn't much competition), no interning or participating in any competitions and definitely no partying. Do all of that after cracking a good law school. Extracurriculars or internships from first year don't matter anyhow, even if you do continue in this college

Those who are questioning the ipo of this company, first of all you should check the company's growth as it is growing at a healthier rate both in revenue and CAGR profit and i bet on listing day of this ipo, you guys will be bombasted by the listing day gains and further profit which this ipo will provide to it's investers ..

I am not associated with Tatva Hyderabad or its PR team, but as an MNC client, I can vouch for the fact that Tatva Hyderabad is the only firm providing cutting-edge legal advice and services in Hyderabad. They have the best pay in the industry and maintain a toxic-free work culture. Do not settle for the 'back offices' of national law firms with no work, mom-and-pop shops run by one or two lawyers, or fly-by-night operators with only one lawyer.

Hello everyone. I am a 2023 Undergrad in BA from a local university.

Everyone in my family, friend circle, relative and well wishers are telling me to prepare for government jobs exams like Banking, SSC, Railway, so on and so forth. But, I am very keen on Studying LAW, which they are not allowing me to do at all. So, what I should do? Should I listen to all of their suggestions and start preparing? Or, do law?

P.S - My family is a lower middle class family (read "poor family" ) and it's annual income is less than 1 lac. Also, I have no one in the legal profession. And for studying law, I have to start earning so that I can pay for my law degree as my parents can't and won't.

Please kindly give your valuable suggestions. TIA

Mod, please help.

Why would you generalize? Also, I am asking here because I want to know something. Either you answer the question or scroll past it.

Also, I mentioned Legasis Partners which is a law firm not Legasis Services. Why don't you start wear specs? Your age is affecting your eyesight