if you cannot fairly characterise your opponent's arguments- youre engaging in bad faith. Sudhir has written many papers many good academics could not have written. it is sick to attack him for that when you're a student. He absolutely knows plagiarised work when he sees it. He just doesn't want faculty to keep litigating with students about chat GPT. hed rather we all build assignments that minimise cheating and are rigorous than act as policemen looking for chatgpt around every corner.

They interviewed me a month back .I had applied for dispute resolution team but the interviewer was from Corporate team.She had no clue what to ask in the interview.I have Karanjawala,JSA,HSA, saikrish a,2AORs internship experiences in my CV.

They updated about the status of my application after a month by an automated response within 2 mins of the mail.

This is sheer ridiculous on part of Trilegal!!

You learn many things only after joining practice regardless of your number of internships or how seriously you attended them. For this, you would need matters which will not come easily from day one. Also, it will not be given to you without experience. Therefore it is advisable to join a chamber and a senior who allows you to take matters independently and appear in his matters for hearings. That will give you experience, exposure and credits to sell yourself in the market.

yep, only from NLS, NALSAR, NLUD, NLUJ, NUJS and GNLU to be precise. The trend has been this way for quite some time now. A&O, for example, does an IFCC Course (which also forms the basis of the kind of interview they take for vac schemes) and only people from top 5 NLUs are invited for that event. Obviously, everyone can apply but you can confirm from someone at NLUD that they had a fixed quota for these 5 colleges.

If you want the rule of thumb, then here it is: 40-50 times the annual expenditure depending on when you retire and depending on the nature of your portfolio. There are lots of exceptions, nuances, and personal elements (such as termprament, habits, and situation) which impact the final figure.

The way you are looking at this is just completely wrong. Spend maybe 30-40 hours reading about this (but only good sources please) and then you will understand why this is the rule of thumb.

Maybe we need to wean off the teat of the alumni network then. What's the point in beating our chests at being the best university since Nalanda if we depend on pass-outs to spoon feed us opportunities? We're reduced to capitalising on the first mover advantage of NLS being the first NLU. We've given these old farts too much power to meddle in the affairs of the university merely because they throw cash on the floor for us to pick. Appalling state of affairs.

At fresher level very few in-house jobs can even try to match law firm salaries. Law firm fresher salaries are significantly higher. However at senior levels in house the pay is more 'respectable'. But at the end of the day you have to make a choice between money and 'some' sanity (in-house job is not a cake walk either).

Don't compare law firms salaries with in house. As opposed to multiple client being handled by you in law firms, in in-house your only client is the company. So the pay vary as per the need and budget of the company. At entry level, the pay ranges from 4-5 p.a but with time you can easily match T-1 level (provided you are making decent switches and know about law). And yes it is easy to shift from company to company since companies prefer people who has already worked in such environment. Career progression is solely dependent on you, how good you are and whether you are taking the right decision at the right time. Also, i believe after some time it is better to stick to one industry to maintain specialisation.

Coz I see that a lot in mine. Opposite attracts, it seems. There's a cute girl I like. She likes reading books (like me), is into games like chess and scrabble (like me), is into non-mainstream indie music (like me) and is academic minded (like me). I was really disappointed that she friendzoned me and hooked up with a jock senior guy who's really dumb. He is like one of those typical MTV Roadies-type contestants: brawny, full of Hindi gaalis, listening to Punjabi hip hop, watching Andrew Tate and MMA, and getting into random fights in college. This guy literally can't name the US President. He's THAT dumb.

Many other cases like this as well...☹️

There have been some posts on FIRE lately....

I was reading an article saying that 20K a month (2.4L a year) was considered a decent starting salary in 1995. Now, 30 years later, a decent starting salary would be 1.5L a month (18L a year) which is 7.5 times as much. So, going by that logic, should the retirement corpus for someone be premise on having at least 1.35 crore to live on every year from 2055 to 2065? Or, 62 lakhs per year from 2040 to 2050? Or, 31 lakhs per year from 2030 to 2040? Seems about right?

I am assuming a decent upper middle class standard of living here. 2BHK with Dzire/Tata Bolt car and driver, 1 meal in a good restaurant every month and in a five star hotel every 2 months, 1 foreign holiday every year.

Also assuming no kids and spouse who has own savings and not relying on yours. So basically a single-person estimate.

Objectively improved standards how? Are more students performing better in any field? Winning more moots/competitions/scholarships/jobs? How has he helped the students doing better that they already had not been doing before him? The only objective things that he has done are to increase student and faculty numbers, though not in the same proportion.

They have a large team. Owing to that and the presence of very senior partners, office politics is rampant. One needs to be adept in navigating that.

With regards to work, they have a good quantity of work which is a quality mix of both enforcement and merger control. But they largely pigeon hole resources into a specific type of work. This affects overall growth of the resource.

The money is very good in this team.

Based on my limited experience, the quality of work is largely above average in this team.

(1) What is the growth potential of this practice in India in the next 10 years?

Great potential - see the proliferation of funds over the last 10+ years.

(2) Do you expect the practice to expand out of Mumbai (to Delhi or Bangalore)?

It already has but Mumbai is likely to still be the biggest center.

(3) How easy is it to switch from investment funds to M&A/GC/PE&VC roles?

The skill sets are entirely different - it is a different practice area after all. There will be a learning curve, much like if you wanted to do debt work tomorrow coming from a fund formation background. So, I would reckon you will be able to switch in the first 2/3 years but it will have difficult after that.

(4) Do PE firms look to hire in-house lawyers with only investment funds experience?

Mostly, no. Once a fund is formed, then between entry and exits, a fund may have 10-20 deals (if not more). So, they are likely to value the lawyers who are involved in those 20 deals over the lawyers who are involved in the fund formation. That being said, larger funds may end up hiring a few people with fund formation background.

One question you haven't asked, which I think is probably the most important, as you grow older: what are the exit opportunities outside of law firms?

Here, M&A / PA & VC (and I consider this to include general corporate) or even debt work will give you far more marketable skills if you wish to move in-house. It will be silly for you to bank on exiting to a fund after you leave law firms since there are very few of those roles available in the market and typically people stick around in those roles once they get them. So, your likely exit is to be an in-house in a company. Here, fund formation work gives you very little advantage since it is a niche practice area and practice areas which have a larger universe of companies or which have general skills make more sense. Someone coming from a M&A / PE background will know how ESOPs work, how employment agreements work, would likely have done more drafting of general contracts, and thus will have skills which a founder will be more interested in, rather than fund formation.

People are a mix of their environment and their choices. You can go to a shit uni and make wonderful choices and get ahead. You can go to nls and waste your life and fall behind. But to the extent that some nls students make good choices also and they have a good environment - they have a significant advantage and can dream bigger .

Those people might become litigation superstars , they might get Rhodes , they might become partners in white shoe firms.

These things are very difficult to do - do you need every advantage you can get.

This is exactly what one of our faculty said. We need to adapt to the existing tech and modify our pedagogy to use those better and more effectively, instead of shying away from those. Only way to remain on the curve, if not ahead of it. He has come up with some alt suggestions about how to integrate tech within our assignments. However, he is in the minority about this, no other faculty has supported it yet from what I have been told.

Honestly speaking, even Academic/ Admin Blocks are prone to collapse. When such kind of huge structures are built, first thing that is required is soil testing at sophisticated labs. However, HPPWD did a shoddy ground work.

Also, the alloted land itself is highly slant, which most probably can't support a heavy structure.

Lastly, if you think doing continuous evaluation is “busywork” - you don’t understand pedagogy to be having this conversation. And if you think sports give you more meaning than academics or learning the law - why are you in law school ? Why are you taking away an opportunity from the lakhs of students who would give an arm and a leg to be where you are ? Please do us all a favour and leave.

All other people who are from chiller law schools seem to be doing fine after joining corp. So your theory is just that, an unproven theory. You need not grind students into dust in order to help them learn at law school. That's an outdated perspective. The UK top law schools allow for all sorts of co curricular and extra curricular activities too.

It’s mostly stuff you can’t cheat on- small weekly/ monthly in class tests, in class writing assignments , response papers. Instead of putting 80% of the marks in a term paper or a test at the end which incentivises cheating and reduces faculty ability to catch it or punish it, you spread it out. Faculty are better placed to design evaluation such that they can prevent cheating. And students have multiple tries at improving their grade so they can learn from mistakes. But of course it takes a lot more effort to consistently learn than it does to cram stuff the night before the exam. And research shows that this improves retention of learned materials. And it takes more effort for faculty to continuously correct papers than it does to just correct end term papers.

You act like students are perfect angels who behave in good faith. I taught at another law school where students do abuse chatgpt to get around their work- if you mark them low they want definitive proof of cheating . How do you provide definitive proof ?

Plagiarism is also about stealing writing and articulation. Have you been following the Claudine gay thing ? She got in trouble for language she had taken from other authors - nothing to do with ideas. If you ask a friend to help write a project or feed prompts to a friend and have them write something and edit it later - and then you don’t acknowledge them - that’s plagiarism. Even if you do acknowledge them it might still be plagiarism or unauthorised collaboration.

You might think it’s morally acceptable to use chatgpt but I do not. If you’re being evaluated for work you’re claiming to have done - you should have done that work. This isn’t about what you can get away with- this is about have you learnt the skills to move on up.

It’s like using a calculator in a middle school math exam- you might technically get the answer right - but the reason you’re not allowed to is because you can only demonstrate that you know how to do long division by hand by actually doing that and showing your work. If we gave up on teaching students basic math or writing and research - were not preparing them for a world where those skills will serve them.

In a world filled with lawyers who can only use chatgpt- the guy who knows how to write, who knows how to draft - he’s gonna get clients who pay, and he’s gonna get his research funded-because when it’s serious money at stake - you want that credibility and accountability.

I don’t like to fight culture wars on generations. This is more about class than it is about generations anyway. I think there were plenty of spoilt useless rich brats in pre-clat generations. I think there were plenty of other people who came from dirt and made a name for themselves because they dedicated themselves to improving their school.

You should ask yourself which group you belong to. Do you think the competition for jobs and scholarships is so low that you can waste time in college fighting over a sports meet that’s at best an excuse for kids to get high? After all if it is about just playing sport for the love of it and trying to emphasise discipline and fitness and sportsmanship - you could legitimately just play with local teams at a significantly lower cost to the university. No one ever got a job because they won against Nalsars football team- those guys are mediocre anyway.

a lot of those people who started all these concerts and extra curriculars did so because they had rich lawyer parents who would help their careers. They could afford to take a five year vacation at what they saw as a finishing school .

Y’all will be complaining in five years that the nls brand isn’t what it used to be- what you will mean is that you won’t get jobs off the brand name. You will blame it on the VC and the expansion. But really other people at the university will still be getting jobs and scholarships. And it will be because they kept their eye on the ball and their feet on the ground. They were realistic about the competition that’s out there and went after the academic and career opportunities nls offers instead of complaining they don’t get to party their faces off. The toppers at nls will be fine. It’s folks in the middle and bottom of the 5 year programme who will struggle to find jobs.

If you don’t contribute to building the brand - you contribute to destroying it- and you don’t morally deserve to benefit from it.

Now if you can be an excellent student and have a serious career plan and

Sports or concerts help you do that stuff - work life balance and all - good for you. But you have to be honest with yourself first, and the institutions priorities for funding might not match your specific taste - you might have to go it alone.

You can always raise funding for any of these events, host your guests in hotel rooms , have the event at another venue, or you can pay the university for use of its resources. Students at other universities already do this. But if you’re asking for an investment of university resources into a sports meet or a concert- you have to be able to articulate why your cause deserves an investment other than “ waahhhh I want it , it’s so unfair! My friends all got it !”

The university is heading into a lean period financially - they’re taking on a lot more students , building a lot more infrastructure , and hiring more and better faculty. Those are expensive things.

They may host an alumni weekend so they can glad-hand some partners and squeeze some scholarships out of them - but how does it help to pay for students to get high and drunk and watch a concert ?

Because you prompted me to talk about generations let me say this- For a generation that complains constantly about how unfair it is that they inherited a world that is facing enormous challenges in climate , the economy, education, and social justice. For a generation that claims to be “woke” to these injustices, y’all have some weird priorities. You want to have oppression points but you also want a luxurious life. You want to complain about competition in job market but you want to spend your years in college out of your mind partying instead of doing everything you can to beat out the competition, or even everything you can to solve larger problems. You say you want a revolution - but y’all also want to retire early and live like a kardashian.

At some point you’re gonna have to come back to earth - away from insta reels - that’s not real life. And start working on solving problems for real.

You can keep blaming your elders - but at the end of the day it’s your life and your future. Those guys already got theirs. Rich Gen x and gen y folks might have had it easier - but times are different now, and different for you.

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times.

If you are serious about law, then you should be able to keep up with the readings prescribed during regular classes, especially during the weekends. The number of pages does not matter, what you glean out of them within a reasonably short time, does. Make notes, summaries as you write, use classifiers and tag words if needed. The more important thing, as one of my fav teachers in law school used to say, is to develop a perspective.

Hi, I am from NUJS. What I can tell you is that bad people and students will always exist everywhere. Objectively speaking, NALSAR is a fine institution. There is no real difference between the opportunities available at both of these places. There are good and bad students as well as faculty and admin at both the places. My info about NALSAR comes from my friends there and I have got quite a few of those. Only juvenile people will engage in meaningless comparison or measuring contests, the sensible people from both the places do have respect for each other, especially when they are likely to become colleagues right after graduation. So, if you are planning to make a choice between the two, maybe focus on issues like hostel, location etc. You will get support from your peer group and faculty at both the places unless you prove yourself to be a particularly obnoxious fellow, which I hope you are not. Best of luck with your choice and life ahead!

Because you and the rest of your cohert are self centred egoistic brats. When you speak about the university you look out for everyone involved that includes UG, PG and PhD. If you had payed more attention, you'd know that not only the PhD scholars but even professors did formally and informally speak about this issue. Hell, even people not from NLS know about this issue. It's been brought up in LI so many times. Yet none of you had the gall to speak to the seniors about this. The only reason being that it's academic in nature. On the other hand this trivial matter is sports and entertainment related. Has nothing to do with your future career, yet you are up in arms over it. Once you pass out, how many medals you win, how many debates you had and how many make out session you were in will not matter. Yet the CGPA and thesis that you produce will have a lasting effect. Grow up and take part in more important things.

Its just like Capital Markets - work is clerical, firms putting in quality work are few and chances of going in-house are sleek. Should be avoided unless you are 200% sure of growing and making the best out of it at a firm. The darker side of both funds and capmarks is that it becomes kind of difficult to switch to M&A/GC roles since you neither develop the skills nor the bend of mind to understand general corporate transactional work/research propositions.

Studying for an exam is different from studying for a research paper or a moot. You'd do this kind of reading for a moot, but for an exam, try to cover as much ground as possible without getting stuck in one area/topic. That's where good quality notes made throughout the semester come in, you'll never have the time to read everything right before the exam.

LPO work is about outsourcing process to cheaper human capital, ie. they don't outsource the thinking, only the process is outsourced. I have interviewed many kids who didn't know a whit of Indian law, even the basics they might have known when they graduated from college after 4/5 years of working in an LPO, including fancier back-offices of big banks (JPM, MS, etc.). LPO work is a trap since it promises ok salaries for a bit and then people realise that they are now stuck in this line of work since all their other skills have atrophied.

A year of law firm experience also doesn't do much, I think at least 3-5 years of law firm experience helps. Unfortunately, you cannot be "tired" of working hard if you want to make 20LPA (ie in the ~95+ income percentile; 90th income percentile earns 25k per month) with only 4-5 years of experience. The better option would be to try to switch to any decent in-house oppurtunity which you can manage over a 6-12 month span. With the right in-house job, you can easily make 20LPA with 4/5 years of experience while have a decent WLB.

Just stepping away from the main bit (and I get that we have to believe the victim). I'm just wondering how easy it is to defame somebody on Legally India. I am far removed from Mumbai and the practice area of the alleged perpetrator, but based on some of the comments, I'm now 100% certain who this person is, based on my knowledge of my network. Surely, a victim has a right for redressal, but can all the slandering wait till something more meaningful is done, other than write anonymously alleging harrasment on Legally India? Again, I have no affinity for the alleged perpetrator. Just wondering out aloud how easy it is to bring down someone (which may also include your professional competitor). If further evidence points towards misconduct, please, by all mean, punish the perpetrator. However, please do not try and become judge, jury and executioner, like in a dictatorship.

Worst place to be at. This is one place which shatters your confidence. The partners and the peers are very rude. People don’t know how to have each other’s back. The key to success in this firm is good work and ‘bitching’. The firm works on hire-fire policy. The firm does not hire people with relevant experience, expects them to still know the firms practice and when they are not able to live up the unreasonable expectations, they end up firing people.

Please don’t go here! It is just going to bring down your confidence and self esteem.

Go to court when the court can help you else it's a publicity stunt. Tomorrow someone from BJP will file a petition in the SC asking them to cancel holidays on Eid/Christmas, will the SC sit and listen to such petitions?

The bombay HC did the right thing by berating them. If they were not students then costs would have been imposed.

Replacing research papers with things like class presentation, participation, case note (not analysis), among others. Sudhir things that Chatgpt responses can't be identified or that chatgpt can write better research papers than Sudhir so research papers don't have any value in today's world.

Almost right- also promoters selling shares worth 2.2 cr on OFS

Further its likely that share price will jump on listing given that they are doing the IPO on a lower valuation

As you can see on socials, Ramanuj/BRLM has done a good job of promoting it, massive, massive response from investors

Rarely you see 10 anchor investors co investing in an IPO of this size

On top of that QIB section was oversubscribed 7x on day 1, which is a great sign because QIB normally put in money on the last day of IPO, and this one has 2 more working days left starting tomorrow

Do we can expect momentum to get higher from here

And in retail its just frenzy situation, youtubers predicting 2x-3x listing gain, GMP also indicates that

But can this price hold?

A lot depends on what results they declare in march

Give it couple of quarters to know what the true share price will be like

Same goes for your question about Ramanuj and Abhyuday’s net worth

One thing is for sure, all the cofounders (8) will become millionaires going forward not just 2 of them

Mind you, these are the clowns protesting: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pnwda6urfCo

Wonder why they hate Sudhir when he opposes watching movies and sleeping in class.

Agreed, other law schools would be crying to have him as their vc. He carries a vision with him and his working towards it, and for the extra curriculars and sports thingy, who’s stopping students from attending fests, clubbing, participating in various tournaments which aren’t university affiliated? Someone rightly pointed out here and I strongly agree that NLS has some kids who aren’t there to make their career trajectory shine bright but only to milk the brand value NLS carries and do all sorts of stuff on campus apart from actually studying. Trust me guys, there are a LOT of students inside NLS who support the academic efforts put in by Sudhir but they’re doing their job unlike some hoarding and opening new LI threads.

There is immense growth in funds but not in the sense you want. Very unlikely that it'll grow out of Mumbai.

If you're choosing funds, then absolutely forget flexibility, there is very less flexibility in choosing firms only; forget in house and location.

Switching is hard because the area is completely completely different. Switching from PE to funds would be a better idea than vice versa.

Getting hired by PE firms is a complete hit or miss you can't rely on it.

I would strongly suggest you that if you're not from Mumbai or want to eventually shift out of Mumbai, start off by PEVC instead of investment funds. Starting by funds you'll be limited to 3-4 good firms at Max, there is absolutely no flexibility remember this.

There is immense growth in funds but not in the sense you want. Very unlikely that it'll grow out of Mumbai.

If you're choosing funds, then absolutely forget flexibility, there is very less flexibility in choosing firms only; forget in house and location.

Switching is hard because the area is completely completely different. Switching from PE to funds would be a better idea than vice versa.

Getting hired by PE firms is a complete hit or miss you can't rely on it.

I would strongly suggest you that if you're not from Mumbai or want to eventually shift out of Mumbai, start off by PEVC instead of investment funds. Starting by funds you'll be limited to 3-4 good firms at Max, there is absolutely no flexibility remember this.

Its astonishing to see that dozens of comments have poured in no time all directly or indirectly screaming the concerned person’s name loudly. Question is, then in today’s world how has he been doing this to so many females for such a long while now that too without getting called out until this post?? and this is a pretty serious question

Criminal law isn’t doesn’t drive me, I’ve done a few internships under some senior advocates who specialise in this field but all I learnt was that I’d have to spend a good amount of time in the magistrate’s, trial, and sessions court to understand some fine intricacies that are very much required and asked for at a later stage. I’ve mentioned my areas of interest in the above post and would like to work under those domains to start with, in my opinion.

These examples belong to product industry, whereas service industry like legal has different challenges, opportunities.

You can never scale selling pani puri or bhel, howsoever enticing it sounds as a junior. There are too many competitors, perhaps each after 50 meters in some cities. You can do premium billing as a pani puri vendor. Service industry players like law firms, accounting firms can.

We are often driven by the desire to leave law - because of no/less work life balance, opportunities etc. This is okay, but comparing it to selling pani puri may something not be okay.

Law is not a place for the weak. All adversities come in the way of success. Try to aim for call back in T1, if you have made meaningful interactions, they will again call you, or refer your application to a better place. Only thing you need is, being truthful to yourself, and sincere in your approach. World is harsh, there are people with Tags, and connections. But in the end, only your knowledge will be valued.

The ideal route is legal, of course. File complaint to women rights commission, report to bar etc.

But if that feels too taxing, please just post it all on LinkedIn. With screenshots. You'll have the full support of the corporate lawyer community except a few cocksuckers and their opinion doesn't really count.