There's a lot you can learn by working under a good lawyer. The easiest way towards getting better is to emulate. If you don't even know what a good lawyer is, how will you even raise your competence to that level?

Having said that, I know some lawyers who have carved out practices where they are making around 1-2l pm despite having never worked with another lawyer. However, they mostly do trial court work and are not "good" lawyers in any respect. I wonder if 10 years down the line this will impact them.

Tukke mein CLAT Diya tha and achhe college mein admission ho gaya. In hindsight should have gone to IIM Indore. The only reason I didn't go was that they were giving a diploma and the degree was to come from IGNOU. And I was also under the delusion that I could get a better IIM later. (Lol)

I have the interview last month for dispute resolution team. The interviewer was a SA from Corporate team and didn't ask anything from me from my CV ( filled with all dispute resolution internships from Tier1/2 law firms and chambers of AORs). After 2 follow-ups over a month they replied with a rejection mail!!!

There is no certain way to establish whether or not you'll actually get in. It depends on multiple individuals and factors beyond your ability to actually calculate. I'll suggest waiting it out, Gnlu seats will open up and stretch a bit in the vacancy rounds. Infact even NLUJ went for the lower 400's last year so you might get in via vacancy

So youre arguing that legal education in this country should be elite and exclusive? That theres really that much difference between a rank 80 and a rank 300 in CLAT? thats how much faith you have in CLAT? Why? What does CLAT even test? really think about it for one measly second. I say this as someone who got a double digit clat rank- its a hopelessly pointless exam that tests nothing but privilege and english.

CLAT ranks do not correlate at all with whether a person will be successful once they get into law school. The rest of us understand this once weve actually gone to law school and graduated and have a few years behind us. Its only arrogant 18 year olds who put much store by this exam or their rank. If you want to take it easy and coast for five years- your clat rank wont matter- you will have trouble finding jobs or scholarships.

No, it was never about money.

No, my father is not a lawyer. (He is a teacher in a very small private school)

No, law was not my first choice.

Primarily, below are the 2 unfortunate incidents, that impelled me to pursue law.

1. Watched this movie called 'Shahid' and came to know about how only poor people from a particular community are falsely arraigned as terror accused.

2. My uncle, a superintendent of police got suspended because of some petty allegations. The same allegations were levelled against his seniors as well his juniors, however they didn't get suspended. May be there was something in my uncle's name.

(Uncle is an SP. Can you imagine the level of discrimination and persecution of poor people? )

Still in law school. Enjoying the struggles!

T1 firm, A2

Please keep in mind that my total assets are not worth that much so going by % may not be a very good criterion (e.g., my monthly salary is a little less than 10% of my liquid assets).

Around 50% of my liquid assets are in MFs and stocks

Remaining 50% in cash, FDs, gold, etc.

Put in amount equivalent to around 30% of my liquid assets in a car, and another 30% in an apartment under construction.

Your definition of UMC may be true for Mumbai but is not true for Delhi and is certainly not true for other cities and towns (Kolkata, Chennai, Bhopal, Indore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad, etc.) where a significant number of people in T1 law firms come from. In % terms, at most 20% would be from Mumbai (if seen on a pan India level).

In these cities, once you have a good residential property, you don't need more than 24-36 LPA family income to live a very comfortable life. Most families would be getting to these levels after working for at least 15-20 years.

On the other hand, you can make this kind of money in 4-5 years in T1 law firms. In another 5 years, you'll comfortable surpass your family income (that took them 25 years to reach), with just 8-10 years of experience.

Therefore, for a vast majority of people, you actually increase your affluence by joining T1 law firms, even if you are from an UMC family. The exception would probably be if your family income is above 60 LPA and consistently so (which is extremely high for any city other than Mumbai). Additionally, even in those cases, remember that professionals cannot transfer their income directly to their children. It is only if you have a business that you can do that.

I wish I could upvote this 10 more times. Didn't expect to see this level of wisdom on LI comments. Speaking as an average looking man who hooked up with a LOT of women for quite a few years before getting married and settling down - this is pretty much the answer.

Looks are not irrelevant, but they're not that important (for men). It mostly functions to open the door - if you are good looking, it's easier to go up and talk and they will initially be more open and welcoming. But if you're charming and confident looks become irrelevant very quickly. What is important is how you make the girl feel. That has to do with emotions, not reason (which is why the girls prefer the "dumb jock" (who probably isn't that dumb actually - physical and emotional intelligence are just as important as analytical intelligence/IQ) instead of the guy who shares the same interests).

Even an initial dislike of you is fine - it's better than indifference or boredom. It can easily become interest (which is why the girl always hates the boy at first in Hindi movies).

"Being attractive" is a state of mind - an attitude - more than anything else.

"Hooking up" or "seducing" is a social skill - it's no different to learning a language or learning to drive a car. At first, you're terrible at it and slow, and constantly have to think about what you are doing and making mistakes, and slowly you practice and get better and smoother, till you can speak and drive on instinct and think about what you're going to have for dinner while driving. It's exactly the same - towards the end of my single days, I could go on a date and hook up at the end of it entirely on autopilot, while thinking about work or what I was planning for the weekend or whatever. Just the same way you can drive home from work and not even consciously remember large parts of the drive.

To the OP - you want to be more attractive to girls and hook up more? Go and spend a lot of time talking to a lot of girls. Don't immediately think about hooking up with them - think about having fun with them, teasing them, joking with them and making them want to hang out with you. Think less about logic and more about "fun" in your conversations. If she's laughing at what you're saying and simultaneously punching you in the arm in mock anger because you're teasing her, you're doing it right (do not insult her - this is meant to be fun, not serious). If you get good at that, I promise plenty of women will be interested in you.

Oh and never ignore a girl's friends - their opinion is HUGELY important to the girl and it can make or break your chances. You want her friends to approve of you and to be asking her why she hasn't hooked up with you yet, and telling her she should do it before she loses you to another girl.

I participated in HSF-NUJS Corp law moot last year. They don't release any info in public domain, only 16-18 teams participate based on invite-only format (not even all NLUs were there but that might be bcoz of tightly packed timeline clashing with schedule of uni. Some non-NLUs like JGLS, ILS, GLC were there). Last year the problem was not drafted by Varottil and as per my research he's not drafting it for last many years.

Ahh I see batch of 27 and 28 have found LI. Law clerks are research assistants to judges. They get to even research/work on judgements, gain a lot of insights on the working of the Constitutional Courts and the networking possibilities are endless. In the US too, clerkship is a very prestigious thing. "Dost" you should also research (believe me, the profession you're joining, research is its lifeblood).

It is clear that you are unable to read and comprehend properly. Did NLUD get founded the very year when its first batch graduated? It had already been around for five years by then and made its name courtesy the previous admin, faculty and students. Hence its first batch got the offer (one from Linklaters). Even then, NLUD managed to get very few offers from Indian firms, though that improved real quickly. Of course, the present admin has failed to keep that momentum up and many good faculty have left. Still, the students are still doing well for themselves and the alumni are getting well-established now. The point is that there is no gatekeeping of opportunities. If you do well, then you will reap the benefits.

I didn't and that's why the first 5 years were brutal to the point of wanting to off myself. So from experience I'm telling you.. university being tough on you will help you more than anything in the world . I wish that we had Sudhir during our time, would have made me more disciplined for law firms.

Man the crowd on this website is super incel coded let me do you a favor if a girl isn’t interested in you it’s because you have no charm or personality stop putting yourself in these boxes of dumb jock nice guy it doesn’t matter either you have charisma or you have to work on it buck up Romeo

oh no! could it be that neither the faculty nor the students want to do all the extra work that continuous evaluation entails? If you focus on making people happy you will find your integrity withering away quite quickly. sudhir is many things- but he is not a man without integrity.

Well if you make big some of your biggest clients will be corporates. Guess who does their incorporations.

This is a very weird take that I could never understand that corporate lawyers don't contribute to the society. Even the guy who sells tea below the office contributes, everyone does. Type of impact might be different but it's not non existent.

This is soo true. I'm a very very average looking. Not at all mascular build or anything.. just your plain average guy but I'm good at making women laugh whilst also keeping my composure and being serious and in your words let's say .. manly, as and when needed, and it works.

I've always had a very good luck with women due to this and I've always acted in the manner as described above. Almost every girl I've ever been with has been out of my league and I've impressed them so yeah guys take note .. this stuff works.

seniors don’t pay well, plus i believe i’m in a good position, better off than many arguing competition and ip cases in delhi; would i not learn those intricate stuff with time if i have my own practice?

my seniors from this college who are now working under some well established seniors don’t really find a good learning curve and suggest me to start independent if I can

Please read the resolution. It was posted on LI. It's not about sports and entertainment. The demands cover everything from lack of monetary support to students to academic issues to sports, fests etc.

If it affects them then they will have to start the conversation. Have they reached out to the SBA? To the SC or any other student body? Can we start a protest based on a random LI allegation?

I can argue that it's a religious event as well. The issue is not about whether holiday should be observed or not, the issue is who has the power to declare holidays? Its the govt. The current govt can very well come up and say that 22nd Jan will be observed as a national holiday from next year on. The courts can't do much about it tbh. It is for the people to elect the right govt. This much discretion should be left with an elected govt.

A stunningly beautiful and intelligent girl from my law school (who went on to do her LLM and PhD abroad) used to date an absolute lafanga senior. The guy was a big gunda and ragged juniors very badly, including physical beatings. He was a dumbo too and failed a year. They broke up later on, but I just can't believe what she saw in him. Girls seem to drop their guard while dating seniors, I guess.

I infact agree with you. something very similar happened at the firm were i work.

Some random intern (who got in the last minute via pulling some big contact), accused the principal associate there. Now we all know that principal associate for several years, he never came accross as anything but professional to us, a rather kind soul if one were to descibe him. I just don't happen to understand this mindset of people saying such things which is coming at cost of one losing his/her reputation in the industry.

However, the number has increased over the years. NLUD, NLUJ and GNLU have all been subsequent entrants. Therefore, if any university makes itself known for the right reasons, the firms may consider those too. There are alumni from Symbi, Jindal etc. working in those firms, over the years, they may end up having enough clout to get their alma mater included.

I am 22 from Symbi. Recently, I received an offer from a tier two law firm and another one is a fintech in-house practise. At this point in my career, I am really confused and seeking for some clarity. I am 1st generation lawyer and I want to take a right call?

Any suggestion?

Hey! I am a 17 year old girl and I recently wrote CLAT, I got a rank extremely close to 900, It was my dream to get into a tier 1 nlu (especially nluj), which I couldn’t make it to this time. Last week Gnlu release a form to be filled as an expression of interest for admission through Nri sponsored category. I just wanted to ask for guidance from here since I might end up in Rgnul with that rank of mine, and I always wanted to work in a reputed corporate law firm. Since there are 16 seats in gnlu, I wanted to ask that will I even make it through? And will it be worth the money? Please guide me through this.

(Just to be clear I cannot apply to any other nlu through nri sponsored because I did not mark the nri sponsored category at the time of filling the Clat form, and only gnlu takes nri sposnored admission through All India ranks and not the nri ranks, so I just have gnlu as a tier 1 nlu option).

adapting to tech and becoming reliant on tech are two different things. If you dont learn law in law school how to research, construct arguments, draft , and write, then when will you learn it? Who would pay you to play with chat gpt all day and how much would they pay you when youre not bringing a real skill to the table? Its not like chatgpt is so complicated we have to teach it to all our students all five years. An idiot could work it. Your value would have to come from actually knowing the law and knowing these skills- not in being reliant on flawed tech.