They are so bloody uncommunicative!! The buddies don't reply, the associates, the HR and everyone makes you feel so unwelcome and stupid. Nobody gives a fuck about skills or anything. All people care about is ass licking and taking on crazy amount of work on oneself. I mean, idk, it broke me tbh. I expected basic human decency, I was not even shown that. Feeling stupid.

I have seen many students get into good and even top USA colleges from private universities. So, my advice will be do a LLM from USA ki top university. Talk to some Indians who are studying there. You will find many Non NLU grads in these top firms in USA.

The only issue is even after an LLM you might be forced to come back to India because of visa issues (I saw one Columbia grad Susanah Naushad coming back to work for Khaitan, Singapore after LLM from Columbia and working 1y with a top firm there). So, contact these people to get a better feel of the LLM and the visa situation.

Maybe if the VC had fostered an institutional environment where the admin was more open to listening the problems of students and empathising with them instead of treating everything as a 'dilution of standards', then students would be encouraged to talk about their worries and problems more. The student community does its best, as do some faculty, but it's not a substitute. All the stakeholders need to work together in such matters and do better.

It’s in all the papers. The typical response to such incidents is that there are counselling services and Sudhir has said the same. But we are looking at the problem too narrowly. It’s much deeper. I will only say Google for the UN World Happiness Report, which came out yesterday.

You do realise that Nobel Prize winners can also be, for example, terrible human beings? (https://www.vice.com/en/article/kb4vam/einstein-was-a-genius-at-mistreating-his-wives)

Nobody's talent, if so, gives them a free reign to treat other people like shit.

You'd learn a lot with GS but the people are difficult to work with at the mid/upper mid levels. Would be completely your call - if you just give a fuck about the money, blindly choose it but if you need a bearable culture, go for Touchtone and certain teams at SAM (both based out of Ggn and Delhi). Again avoid characters like B(Anand) and likewise at KCO where teams are always looking for people given how they bleed resources.

Heard CAM was a bad place to work but she seems to have spent most of her time at Khaitan before jumping ship to become Competition head at CAM. Here I thought Khaitan had the nicer Partners in general. Is it just bad everywhere? A very clueless and disillusioned A2 wrote this. Responses welcome.

The National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bangalore, is deeply shocked and saddened by the sudden and unexpected demise of one of our students, Mr. Dhruv Jatin Thakkar.

Dhruv was a first year student of the B.A. LL.B programme and hailed from Mumbai. He was a warm and compassionate person, and a bright and diligent student, well-liked by his peers and faculty.

The NLS community stands in solidarity with his grieving family and friends in this period of deep sadness. The University staff are working closely with the authorities and extending all support to his family members. We request all members of the community to respect the privacy of the family at this time.

As a mark of respect, the University will suspend all classes for the remainder of the week. We request all members of the NLS community to come together for a condolence meeting in the Old Academic Quadrangle at 11AM on Friday 22nd March, 2024.

The University welfare support service and counselling services are available to anyone in the community who needs to reach out.

Sudhir Krishnaswamy Vice Chancellor

The National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bangalore, is deeply shocked and saddened by the sudden and unexpected demise of one of our students, Mr. Dhruv Jatin Thakkar. Dhruv was a first year student of the B.A. LL.B programme and hailed from Mumbai. He was a warm and compassionate person, and a bright and diligent student, well-liked by his peers and faculty. The NLS community stands in solidarity with his grieving family and friends in this period of deep sadness. The University staff are working closely with the authorities and extending all support to his family members. We request all members of the community to respect the privacy of the family at this time. As a mark of respect, the University will suspend all classes for the remainder of the week. We request all members of the NLS community to come together for a condolence meeting in the Old Academic Quadrangle at 11AM on Friday 22nd March, 2024. The University welfare support service and counselling services are available to anyone in the community who needs to reach out. Sudhir Krishnaswamy Vice Chancellor

such delusions of grandeur! NUJS is a tiny insignificant spec on the scheme of things that TMC is interested in. The election results will hardly have an influence on what the TMC elements plants to do vis-a-vis NUJS.

the rather particular variety of invertebrate species that are are the major predators in the NUJS ecosystem will morph to a saffron shell, if that is required (or to red, blue or whatever happens to be in vogue). The fortunes of NUJS are not going to shift because of some change of guard.

Wait what? Rs 7 lakhs for a summer school? Most people pay Rs 7-8 lakhs for a semester exchange abroad. The summer school is totally not worth it in comparison, also because most of your peers at any summer school but especially LSE will not be young bright students but middle-aged people with broken English and without a spark in their eyes anymore

Hi, I'm in my final year and have mostly done internships in Dispute Resolution, however, I am considering broadening my options and want to know if there is a possibility to switch to an In-House position. I don't have much of a General Corporate background. Please advice, thanks!

You have to appreciate that if the partner has to check everything personally (including basic facts and figures) there is no reason to pay 18 lakh per year to A0 associates or 24 lakhs to A1s

juniors need to be reliable and go find another job, this holds true even where people are paid 25k per month, but especially if you are paid the best salary in the country

Hope this clarifies

Think about it this way.

When you were an intern, would you have liked to receive such unncessary feedback?

Do you really want to break an intern's confidence like this? You aren't their boss. They are not working for you full-time. You're supposed to be their mentor. Someone they can learn from. I'm sure you are not at partner level and you can obviously try and make time to give constructive feedback to interns. Otherwise, you are just gonna be two initials being hated on legallyindia.

I totally agree. But this is a practice which is prevelant throughout the industry. They treat people like shit. Incompetent people who pretend to work (more than actually working), have zero inputs (other than beautification changes), suck-up max to the boss, are given promotions and big bonuses. The people who actually do good work but don't show off enough are subjected to taunts, ridicule and personal comments (which are highly problematic and unprofessional in nature). That makes people quit the industry and there is huge vacancy of good talent. In the end they have to rely on junior associates for work and all of the incompetent people just pass on the buck, till it reaches the person who can no longer pass the buck. Entire system is a scam. One day it will all come crashing down and burn.

Dekho, agar law kar loge aur mana ki interest nahi aaya, phir bhi -

1. Give CAT later. You will need lesser percentile (seen General male getting no calls at 99.7 and general female studying in IIT Roorkee at 99.1). Engineers are extremely disadvantaged in CAT. So, do law and you will get some diversity marks and can get into a good IIM at 90 percentile too.

2. Give IPMAT and other integrated MBA programmes too.

3. Dekho, engineering me, even a B.Pharma from IIT/BITS is gold. But, in rest of the institutions, real placement is in Computer Science/IT branches. All others are shit. In IIT or BITS branch is not that important. So, if you take on Engineering (because I presume shayad IIT na nikle, varna tum yaha pe Q&A nahi kar rahe hote), make sure you get Computer Science even in a Bangalore college like PES or Ramaiah. This will ensure employability later. Mech and Electrical and other so called Core branches ke bakwas me mat pad jana. Baad me MBA in Sales karte miloge.

All jobs in India are in CS for aam Engineers. For IIT students BCG, McKinsey have Analyst openings. Woh aapke college nahi aaegi recruitment me.

4. If you are confused do law. No one told me this. I am an Engineer myself. Because getting into a college is one thing, surviving Engineering is another. Everyday you will curse yourself on what shit are you studying (again, this is not the case in CS/IT as you can see abundant opportunities in front of you) with no hope of a future.

So, study law. If you don't like it, shift to MBA. Also, for most data science, product management and other jobs, degree can be overlooked, basharte ki aap kaabil ho. So, you can switch to these hot jobs later too.

But, again - No engineering except CS/IT in India or IIT/BITS

Do the following things and come back here -

1. Follow Ethan Mollick on LinkedIn. Open LinkedIn everyday and see what he posts. He is a Wharton Professor who tests AI to the limit.

2. Go to twitter - search Sora videos. (Bear in mind this is first generation, everything will improve in the next 5-10y.)

3. On youtube, follow - Varun Mayya. Smart guy to be updated on AI.

4. Open Microsoft edge - copilot - creative mode. Now ask it questions. See the result. Almost all secondary research, can be done on it, or atleast, the first draft will be on AI. People use free wala GPT 3.5, and cry that AI is overblown. Abe, IIT B engineer and Tier 3 engineer me antar hai ki nahi? Similar difference is between GPT 3.5 and 4.

5. I posted this prompt - defence spending on india is divided into equiptment buying, defence services, defence infrastructure -- xyz percentages. Create a pie chart for it.

This is the pie chart it generated - https://ibb.co/xqkj3sZ

If it is not impressive, I don't know what is. Graphics designers would take a week to create something like this. And this is design and creativity we are talking about. Law me toh kagaaz pe type karna hai. So, disruption is coming. Better be prepared.

Ohh really? When did Jiggles become a NLU? Last I checked Sonipat has only one NLU. TWO OUT OF THE THREE MAHARATHIS are from Jindal Global Law School, Sonipat.

And you think NLU people are special? Ms. Avantika Kakkar joined a prestigious law school at a time when there were only three NLUs out of which two just opened their shops, thus presuming did not have a campus of their own.

No one said that the students were the ones who were catcalling; this isn’t GNLU. The concerned hostel is close to the boundary of the college premises, and therefore, pedestrians can directly see the terrace of this hostel and also some balconies. Consequently, a certain group of outsiders assembled in a spot and started catcalling students. The VC took cognizance of this issue as soon as she was informed of this custom. She promptly got CCTVs installed, contacted the police commissioners, and appointed two officers to get rid of this menace.

Please wake up to the reality! there is vasr horizon beyond NLU where competence and success is not based on or limited to your NLU degree! it's to ro move forward from your CLAT days and gloating on success from the past.

by way of full disclosure, I'm not from an NLU but still very successful!!

I always have wanted to go abroad to study just for the experience. I was thinking of doing a foreign LLM but it's really expensive and since I want to work in India, it's pointless. I still want to experience foreign law school once and was thinking about LSE Summer school. It's still a very big investment tho, is it really worth it? I was thinking of their course in International Financial Regulations.

But again the problem is the fee is like 8 times my law school fees. Do you think it's an experience someone should not miss and atleast have once in their life? I am in my third year of a non nlu.

According to me the expense including food accommodation tuition and flight will come to around 7 lacs, which is not really terrible for my family it is still a huge chunk. But given that LLMs are even more expensive, it seems like a viable choice. Someone who has already done a course like this do you have any advice or recommendation?

Understand and agree, while some parts of the email are excessive, it was mostly meant to be an internal email/ discussion within the team to deal with a systemic attitude issue. Moreover, there is consistent lessening of work ethic in the newer associates as well as serious attitude issues and sense of entitlement. Law and the profession is demanding and you have to accept it.

Jab AI meri job khaa jaaega tab big deal laguga. The improvement between different generations of AI is stark. The perception of fake v. non-fake is subjective and also highly dependent on the prompts by the user. FB is filled with idiotic AI images of religious figures which would make no sense to a person versed with AI, but to the majority of users it is a sign to type "god bless" in the comments.

With respect to law, once AGI is achieved, which might take a few years or decades, then it's over for most of us law bros.

Yes and he just HAD to do it just before the election and just when Jindal is facing accusations of being anti-national and woke. It’s just PR, buddy.

P.S. It is being rumoured on Twitter that Shallu Jindal may get the BJP ticket from Kurukshetra this time. She is in the shortlist for sure.

We have a Parliamentary System not a Presidential One. Simultaneous elections suit the presidential system. The reason behind the simultaneous elections during the post Independence period was the existence of only one major political party that is Indian National Congress, which isn’t the case anymore. Emergence of BJP as the other major political party alongside INC along with creation of regional political parties ( some of them subsequently were accorded with National Party Status) has broadened the political diversity in our Country. To effectively strengthen Federalism, the elections must continue in its present form, thereby ensuring any Government’s accountability towards the citizens of India. In presidential form of government, the President is indirectly elected through an Electoral College, additionally National level issues overshadow the regional issues which are also very very important. The Executive President’s removal also becomes quite tough due to the impeachment plus removal by Senate process. In the Parliamentary System the PM is accountable to the Parliament and a simple no confidence motion ensures that the necessary checks and balances system has an effective oversight. In India the “People” must retain the power and not the “Executive”.

I am a fifth year law student and currently an assessment intern at a law firm which specialises in an area of law I am not interested in. On the other hand I have another assessment internship coming up which has the same practice area I am interested in. The firm where I am currently interning pays decent amount to A0 and they might offer me job as well. What should I choose

A confused 12th standard student out here. Should I go for law ( CLAT)or prepare for ipmat

( As I have maths in 12th).How are the prospects of law as career , is it really good especially corporate law.( I am the first gen) I got to know about CLAT recently only, I don't have any pure passion for either of the courses to be honest.

I am currently in my final year and pursuing an assessment internship at a law firm which practices on the area of law I am nowhere interested in. On the other hand I have another assessment internship coming up which has the exact area of law I am interested in. The firm where I am currently interning pays decent amount to A0 and I have chances to land a job here. But the only thing is that I am not interested in the work they do. I need urgent guidance on this if someone can help me

I am currently an assessment intern at a law firm which specialises in an area of law I am not interested in. I have another assessment internship coming up which has the exact area of law I want to work on. I am in my final year. Which way should I choose. If someone can help me.

Market share data is pretty critical to the filing.

Any team can't and shouldn't rely on an associate to prepare it and finalise it. A senior level lawyer must must check the data no matter how cumbersome they find it.

If it's that important you must give it that much importance.

In my associate days even though I was excellent with handling data and maths my seniors never let out any work product out without running by the data once. At least once. They would simply ask for the excel sheet, check my calculations and the source of data (client, target or open source).

Understood AK being the practice head won't have had the time to check but what about the second rung partners/ PAs/ SAs. (Apparently the team has a practice of not hiring mid level associates/ SAs. That's such a stupid move. It will definitely cost you more in longer term.)

I agree. Mocking in the workplace is absolutely unacceptable. Leave all that for the YouTube influencers: it's their job and they do it hilariously, without offending. Kusha Kapila is brilliant at it, and so is Pammy Aunty! -

https://youtu.be/sT6qoeOvXNk?si=D32-rPsPCWqJd_zl

https://youtu.be/0Np5bHJc_tU?si=a-wTE9FfyfIozuS7

https://youtu.be/Ah_7hp4kJmE?si=43OU0VaHW9nH4nfE

https://youtu.be/WGjEhJMTIj8?si=mKpV4kd4XFVv3lMe

https://youtu.be/_QS-s9IIsC4?si=qv0qFslcpMQijaEz

https://youtu.be/Wy47judx-dQ?si=1CctnWs2HkE6acBl

Calculation are done by lawyers and rechecked by lawyers even if companies provide it. Also, in some situations your client won't be privy to all the data due to confidentiality so the lawyers collate the data and do the calculation.

It's a simple excel sheet job but prone to mistakes.

Always a good practice to keep the calculation in Excel sheet and have a senior cross check the data along with the formulas and calculation.

I wonder why no mid level associate/ SA/ PA cross checked the data and checked the calculation. It's not rocket science but has to be done meticulously because it's easy to make silly mistakes.

I believe that we agree on the point that the CA/CS/MBA people with work ex + LLB from NLS will get a good job. All that I had said is that the LLB degree does not add much value in terms of employability in the Corp field. People with CA/CS/MBA who have come here were already working in corporate, sure their roles may change but at the end of the day, they would be getting similar packages. However, the employment prospects for someone who has done a BA/BSc degree is still uncertain

Delhi is full of such elitist schnooks who lambast others on their status and wealth, and coz they inherited it.. I remember once I was interning at a firm whose partner made fun of my caste. Delhi is the worst place for any profession, especially as boisterous a profession as law.

There's no defined number here. For purely legal roles in reputed organizations, you'd be looking at 20-30% haircuts in some situations, and none (but a tax hit) in others.

For funds, the case is different, and it really depends on what you negotiate. I have seen folks make at par with Tier 1, with incentives for sticking long term added on. The longer you stick the more you go up the leadership chart and even take up non-legal roles.

Nothing to do with Modi or RW or BJP.

Naveen Jindal runs campaign for national flag for last 25 years. This was done for Flag Foundation of India established by him.

Most of the tallest flags erected and maintained across India by Mr Jindal including one in Connaught Place and one in Jindal University itself.

This Guinness World Record is special.

Prof. Saurabh Bhattacharjee at NLS is really passionate about teaching, and refugee law is one of the electives he offers. He has also worked with UNHCR and refugees in the past so he also has a practical experience.

But, it depends on luck if he will be allotted to you or not.

You call this email polite? Had it only been to point out a mistake, then that could still have been understandable if not acceptable. However, she clearly refers to their behaviour and nature, about which she could have had a private discussion with each of them individually, instead of doing this. She only did this to vent, and that's not professional. The wording also makes it clear that she has spoken to one of them, but not the others. It is a pity that law firms don't teach their partners about how to deal with a team.

This is the aftermath- https://x.com/rajkishore990/status/1770703567059648922?s=46&t=siTq2UYN-fiDaM9V4rp0Kw

It is exactly this sort of attitude that makes top tier corporate law firms so toxic. Such toxicity cannot and should not be justified in any manner. Absolutely unprofessional and I would describe AK in her own words as an "INCOMEPETENT" leader. I guess if she knew her email was going viral, she would have asked one of these junior associates she likes to humiliate to run a spell check on it before sending it out.

Instant karma..She tried to publicly humiliate her juniors and ended up getting a taste of her own medicine.

In London,

There are two types of corporate law firms - British (Allen and Overy, Linklaters etc) and American (Kirkland Ellis, Paul Weiss etc)

While toxicity is there everywhere. In London there is no yelling, name calling and pulling your pants down etc.

British law firms have good work life balance. American ones you have to bill insane hours and you won't be able to sleep.

While I broadly agree with your observations, let me try and built some nuance around it. The real issue is mediocrity breeding mediocrity. A mediocre or less than mediocre VC will seek out, attract and hire those chaps whose intellectual prowesses hover around his/her own. NKC is not a serious scholar by any measure and it's natural for him to seek out people of his calibre. There is a certain form of blindness at work here in that NKC cannot conceptualise what an excellent academic is or what excellent academic practices are. He has spent his entire education and work life in mediocre institutions and arguably the best place that he has worked at is KIIT, which in its essence is a slightly better version of Amity. Taking NUJS to the KIIT standards and way of operating is pretty much what he would think of as an achievement.

bottom line is that the place is screwed academically. but the party will keep going on as long as the recruitments are not hit.

I would say technically if you have done a 2 month course or 12 month course from NLS you should be considered NLS alum. No need to diss on other degrees. Everyone knows its all about the five year course so you don't need validation. Stop belittling diploma/distance/LLM/master courses and degrees. At the same time these people should also specify exactly what course they have done from NLS. Just saying I am an NLS alum would not suffice. Just be true to yourself and others.

lol classic rookie associate behaviour (I mean the commenter who claimed cast remark) - Commenting before reading the entire thing properly.

Based on the logic of all the other rookie associates, who are downvoting anything in favour of AK, it should LegallyIndia's fault that such a false comment (i.e., the comment claiming caste remark) was even allowed to be published.

PS - this email, in my opinion, is the least toxic thing that any boss could ever say to their junior. Out of all the toxic things that could have been highlighted about the law firm life, this hardly deserves to be controversial. What else do you expect to hear if you not only behave unprofessionally but also fuck up the work product?

PPS - READ, because when we READ, we REMEMBER!