Manni paji from Saraf is rocking with some orders in the O&M petition before NCLT, Bangalore. Trilegal is struggling to even get any interim relief for their clients despite there being almost 15 people toli from Trilegal on the matter. Saraf's team is reasonably smaller. They hardly take 4-5 people for the hearings. Otherwise, in these facts, only god could have saved BR and the company. BR should pay Saraf a premium for saving his ass so far. Investors should deduct from Trilegal's billing. They have messed it big time..XD

There is a very sad story from my NLU. There was an informal boys reunion of 20-30 people or so. Most were law firm people. They were showing off their fancy branded gear and some were crudely boasting about how they were dating/marrying good-looking junior girl associates. There was one guy who was working in a lawyer’s chamber in a trial court, not earning much and perhaps unsuccessful in dating girls for this reason. He felt sad thinking that his batchmates were so rich and successful but he was poor and unpopular (in his perception). He committed suicide a few days later.

Hi,

Has anyone of you here have been diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)? Please share how you function in what you do. Be it a lawfirm, inhouse, or something which is completely non-law. What kind of systems have you placed so your functioning can fit well in organizations you've worked with? Do use of ADHD meds help you in focussing on law firm work which is often mundane? How do you deal with memory and brain fog? If not purusing law, what have you been doing in your life to make money / which sparks your interests? Do you get anxious because of the amount of work you get in your work and ADHD just worsens it?

Above are just the talking points which you may take a lead with. ADHD is so less talked about in this community despite it being one of the most common mental health issues. Lets talk ADHD among lawyers!

I don't know what kind of an organization is that. They don't do any credible research, just organize random panel discussions, essay competitions, etc, and even then can't release the results on time. They don't even reply to emails enquiring about the status of the result. Highly unprofessional behavior.

I've heard from a friend that the biggest issue there is the Vice Chancellor. It seems that last year, she compelled all students to move into hostel rooms on a double occupancy basis, even though the rooms were designed for single occupancy.

As a result, students are living in cramped conditions and have to rely on lockers kept in the corridors to store their belongings.

Unfortunately, these lockers are flimsy and prone to theft, as they can be easily broken with just one hack of a screwdriver.

Hi

I’m planning to create a tier list of Indian law colleges, and I’d like to gather your opinions on my initial draft. Once I’ve gathered feedback, I’ll refine the list and post it here.

S Tier: NLSIU, NLUD

A Tier: NALSAR, NUJS, NLIU

B Tier: JGLS, GNLU, NLUJ, MNLU-M

C Tier: SLS,HNLU, RMLNLU, RGNLU, GLC, CLC

D Tier: NLUAS, NLUO, MNLU-N&A,CNLU, LC-I, ILS, IIM Rohtak’s IPL

E Tier : Every other undergraduate admitting all college in the country.

Questions:

1) Should JGLS be in the A tier, considering the profile of their faculty and their amazing infrastructure (from the perspective of an NLS student)?

2) Is NLIU at the same level as NALSAR and NUJS, or should it be placed in the B tier?

3) Considering its decline in recent years, should ILS even be in the D tier now?

4) What’s your opinion about IIM Rohtak’s IPL? It's quite new, but I've still placed it in the D tier because of the overall brand reputation of IIMs.

Please do share your thoughts and opinions on these questions. Thank you!

Anyone heard of the famous 2012 batch of RMLNLU? Strange deaths and (fatal) accidents right from inception. Some say there was a curse. If course there wasnt, but it sure was traggic - the various circumstances under which they passed away. There is actually a list circulating on couple of (unofficial) alum group

Had a great experience of internship here. It was a wonderful learning experience. Had corporate work- on acquisitions, fund raise and commercial contracts for clients across the country and worked for some international clients as well. Got to work directly with very experienced and knowledgeable Partner. Corporate team largely work remotely and some of them operate out of Bpl office.

I want to do my doctoral degree under Prof.(Dr.) Thomas Mathew or Prof.(Dr.) Anjani Singh Tomar ? How are they as advisors ? I was researching & saw there was some news about Prof Mathew as the registrar issue. Also he's a PhD in science, does he take PhD scholars ? Is he good for tech law ? Sorry for lots of doubts

Sons of rich businessmen have bloody made it into a school or college, where rich fuckbois used to rule the roost socially. I m tired of licking their asses to get into good social circles. This is why I now plan on preparing for HJS. Tabhi peecha chuttega inn gore aur fake accent waale privileged toxic bois se.

I am at a boutique firm with only one SA2 and he was previously very nice and kind, but recently he has been acting weird and has been sabotaging my matters by being non-chalant about it, to the point I am being chided in courts. He is messing up his matters as well and making me go fix them before different courts and Im being forced to bend over backward to finish and fix his matters.

His seniors and my super seniors are aware about it but turn a blind eye. I do not know what to do?????

Was in the same boat some time back. I lied about everything, practically my whole CV was stolen, I'll put the correct name of the firm i interned at but the tasks that i have written would be corporate law related tasks, copied from here and there. Linkedin is useful for stealing stuff, you can steal from other people's profiles, many people put what work they've done in the description. So a little bit of stealing, a little bit of inflating and everywhere inserting some generic agreements and contracts like service aggreement, transport agreement, MOA, SHA (i write that i have done drafting and vetting of these).

Also in the mean time try and read up on whatever you're claiming to have worked upon. I have done the same and so far it has worked out fine.

After this, once i got a corporate internship then i worked as much as i could and tried to get actual content for my CV and then I just spread it out evenly throughout all my internships and reduced the lies (thus reducing risk of me getting caught in an interview). At this point almost all my lying is over, some minor stolen portion might still be there but now i have been able to get enough corporate internships to get genuine real content for my CV.

Hi,

I wanted to ask MBs, if there are any here, what are the best capital markets teams you have come across? In terms of quality of work, and professionalism.

What teams have you seen, which don't appear haggard and overworked? What team would you recommend for a 3 PQE Cap Marks lawyer?

Also, other cap marks lawyers, please do chip in. My family is rich, I don't mind the pay, I want a good working environment which respects holidays and vacations. I can slog 25 hours in a day, but I can't tolerate infringement of my vacation time.

Brace yourself.

My boss made me cancel tickets for a vacation I had planned with my friends to Thailand ( I have changed country for privacy).

I am 3 PQE in a tier 2 law firm, capital markets practice. I had booked a trip with my friends to Thailand, for this weekend + 3 days to celebrate a couple of friends' birthdays and the third one's bachelors all in one shot. It was supposed to be an amazing group trip of amazingly close friends.

All my friends on this trip, barring one, work in T1 firms.

I was supposed to leave on Thursday Evening, this trip is pre planned, and my boss knew about it for the last couple of months. Boss even asked me to get them some souvenir for the office.

Today afternoon the Boss comes and tells me to cancel my trip as we have a filing on Wednesday, and they anticipate another kick off meeting on Thursday.

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? HOW IS THIS FAIR? WILL IT ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS?

Darren Mathew Punnen. He was my batchmate at Christ and was from BO'16. Professionally he was doing so very well and had just moved to the Germany office of NDA as their Head of Europe towards end of 2023 and he passed away due to a suspected cardiac arrest earlier this year. He was a very sweet and fun person to hang around with and was always willing to help others. RIP, Darren.

I know what empathy means. I disagree with you on whether it is useful or even helpful to students in a university setting. I think students would be a lot better off if fewer professors projected their nonsense onto them and cried with them and tried to be friends and "cool young adult" and or the inverse- projected their nonsense onto them and do things based on emotion and showed favoritism for no reason other than feeling sorry for someone or relating to particular students.

Students are not babies in diapers who need to be consoled. And even if they did need some "parental guidance" they are hardly at the stage of development where pure empathy would do the job. The job of a university professor is in part to teach that in the professional world- no one wants to be your mommy or daddy- they just want to do their work and get on with it.

17- 18 year olds are not 10 year olds. When a 10 year old tells you he messed up- you can be a little indulgent and treat him kindly and teach him right from wrong and give him a hug. When that same kid is messing up at 18- you know that something has gone wrong in the intervening 8 years. With a more developed brain, the young adult is supposed to be able to think carefully about short-term v long long-term interests, plan his time, and think about the consequences of his actions on other people. Excusing and indulging him then is telling him there are no consequences to his actions. the compassionate, good parent thing to do is to hold him accountable. It will make him a better adult.

You dont read and prepare for class- you will get less out of it than those who do. You cheat in examinations- you will face consequences, you half ass an assignment or a paper- you will get poor grades. Tell me why that is unfair? What exactly prevents any student from being able to do those things? Does that not teach students precisely the kind of professionalism that will be expected from them at work? does that not actually put students' long-term interests in learning the law well and to a high standard over the professors need to be immediately popular?

https://www.barandbench.com/amp/story/news/corporate/silf-asks-law-firms-discontinue-mass-poaching-recent-disappointing-attempts

The Society of Indian Law Firms (SILF) has urged its member law firms to discourage the mass poaching of lawyers.I

n his letter, Bhasin said,

“SILF has a Code of Conduct which requires certain basic courtesies and consideration on the part of the law firms when permitting or encouraging Partners / Associates of other law firms to join them.”

He added that while it is open to any individual practicing lawyer to leave any law firm and join some other law firm, the former law firm should observe basic courtesy and inform the Managing Partners of the affected law firm regarding the movement of the lawyer in question.

Adv Lalit Bhasin

"What is more serious and damaging is the law firms themselves inducing lawyers of other law firms to join them," says Bhasin in his letter.

He has referred to some recent "disappointing" attempts of poaching, which are undisclosed in the letter.

“This mass poaching ought to be not only discouraged but also discontinued. Proper ethics ought to be observed and SILF should be a role model for good practices which are integrated into our noble profession.”

Does anyone have any information on DU's 5 year law course? Managed to find the fees and the seat matrix but apart from that there's excruciatingly little information about it to be found online. Also, should it be preferred over Jindal/SLS P/T-2 NLUs due to its location and its legacy with respect to the 3 year degree, even though the 5 year course has been established just since 2023?

The Assisted Search in the old Manupatra was really useful. Made it, by far the best legal research website for me personally, despite how laggy and user unfriendly it was.

I absolutely hate the new update. It said all the old features were improved, but without assisted search, I have no use for the website anymore

what a strange theory of change to think supreme court will pass judgment and magic will happen? Murderers murder despite laws- that doesnt mean we make murder legal no? all laws are imperfectly applied- thats the whole democracy project- is to find a way to make a more perfect union and find a way to increase the rule of law and ensure that laws are more perfectly applied.

Next: campaign finance reform, make it illegal for any company to donate funds to a political party. if they want money they can raise it through individual donations. Enforce strict limits on donations. keep this data public. Keep making sure people are looking at that data. Constant Vigilance.

Fully agree, although no idea where you got the previous internships point from. I did not mention previous internships at all. I would prefer to have an intern who excelled in corporate law than a batch topper who excelled in subjects that are seemingly random. Skills can be taught, interest cannot. I want to know if the intern will find the work boring or not, and hence require a demonstrated interest in what they are applying for. Statistically, interest also would mean sincerity, although it does not mean that other person will not be sincere.

How to summarize tax litigation proceedings against a company including taxes like Direct, Indirect, Promoters , Investors, etc.

How to identify what is relevant and what is irrelevant from a host of documents provided for this?

Please explain like you would to a humanities 12th pass

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1775676175618310147

https://www.news18.com/tech/elon-musks-x-starts-onboarding-indian-contributors-for-its-community-notes-all-details-8839345.html

Will the RW trolls use this to target the Left, as has been happening in the US? Or will only LW users be accepted as contributors, as they have a much better record on fake news and hate speech?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/36-students-from-latest-batch-at-iit-bombay-fail-to-get-placed-101712082286602.html

TLDR version of chatter about this on X:

Anti-reservationists: They lack merit.

Pro -reservationists: it's coz of the unemployment crisis coz of Modi's handling of economy + biased employers. This only strengthens the case for reservation in private companies.

I worked for a education consultant and I had to research a lot for this. I am not from a college or other so there is absolutely no bias. My findings are from August 2023. There will be no point personally attacking me, I was paid to help institutes rank NLUs and this is what I found as a neutral. I am from neither

NLUO:

NLUO beats HNLU in T1 Corp placements, in general firm placements. Average package and number of placements is far greater than HNLU.

I contacted several HRs and have even taken paid results from legal recruiters, everyone stated that firms have preferred candidates from NLUO over various other universities for campus placement and other roles.

HNLU has stronger alumni network and thus that helps them in placements but it in total for every 1 HNLU placement, NLUO would place twice.

NLUO has done better in International Moots in last 5 years. National moot data is too complicated to make any comments.

HNLU:

HNLU students have said to have chiller academics, the new system of NLUO has reduced exams but students state that they are fearful of the administration and nothing comes easy to them. Faculties that take pride in failing students is also a factor. The faculties try to catch students red handed then to become friendly.

NLUO has far reaching locational disadvantage, it has been saved by online meeting era else no firm was stepping to Cuttack. Cuttack stands no chance when it is made to stand against Raipur or even Naya Raipur. For a better life, Raipur offers better chances and places. Cuttack has been told to be small, conservative and people are not very friendly towards the liberalised campus o NLUO.

Take your call.

Of course I haven't run my own chamber ":D"

The pay/ stipend I get is SO bad, that I see absolutely nothing besides money at this moment.

Want to know what makes it even worse for me?

I have taken up close to 75%- 80% of the drafting, I am at office post court hours EVERYDAY, and I don't even complain about it. Why? Because I legit like working.

However shoddy pay has now gotten to me to the point that NOTHING but money can make any difference whatsoever to me now

To give context, I am quite weak in studies and I am planning to do a Distance LLB, while I constantly receive guidance and learn skills from my childhood friend, who is a practicing corp lawyer. Considering that I am weak in studies, which type of lawyer will be a suitable options in law field to make a good career with good money, without much efforts for me?? As per my knowledge, capital market lawyer is one such example

Or is there any other suitable career options available to have secure career with good money?

Pls share your thoughts.

Tell that to the people who have been humiliated by such snobs and socially excluded because of being perceived as not financially well off and not fashionable enough. As you sow, so you reap. Before asking others to get a life, think about the hurt and humiliation many people go through at the hands of these snobs. Be kind.

More than a third of the 2024 cohort from IITs in Bombay, Delhi, and Kanpur haven't been placed. This then raises a few questions:

> If this is the situation in the top IITs, then how bad are things in the lesser-known IITs in obscure locations? More contextually, how bad are things in the NLUs after students have spent significant amounts (direct costs, plus opportunity costs of taking gap years and education loans) keeping aside the irrational exuberance we see?

> Law schools (including the NLUs) have been raising their fees indiscriminately. In some private law schools, the total cost of 5-year LLB programs will now top ₹70 lacs by the time they graduate in 2029. NLS raised its fee by 25% in one go. Needless to mention, the salaries aren't galloping this way for some who get placed (most wouldn't be placed). At what point will the system break down?

https://www.livemint.com/education/news/iit-bombay-2024-placement-season-underwhelms-36-graduates-yet-to-receive-jobs-report-11712119360331.html

[Moderator note: IIT B has released a clarification: https://x.com/iitbombay/status/1775869110066487591 ]

While I agree with everything that's been said, it is also worth noting that sometimes people choose to become counsels rather than partners, in order to obtain a better work-life balance or pursue other things beyond the firm. I know that's been the case with AZB for the past decade or so, and I remember some partners who actually gave up the partnership to become counsels and take up academia/advisory positions in research etc. I'm also currently aware of 2-3 women at KCo and a couple of high-paying T2s who have opted to go & stay the counsel route post maternity.

Naturally, these people tend to have a lot of influence in the team & can call the shots on PPOs too — if that's the underlying concern here.

You can get everything at NLUO but not everytime. Academics are easier but you have to attend 75% classes, 95% of faculty is sub-standard, exams are of 70 marks.

Placements is through PPO or college placements if you have batch rank. Neither of colleges can help you with this if you are not helping yourself.

College life in NLUO can be tough with VC, Registrar, Dean(Academics) and Controller of Exams finding different ways to mess up with you. These four offices are arbitrary and sadist, especially RPT, and arm twisting is common thing. You question anything, you will be arm twisted.

We just received an email yesterday that if you don't fill faculty feedback forms, you won't be allowed to sit for exams. When someone tried to question, Dean (Academics) responded that she can get that person's answer sheets and projects evaluated by experts in India and that the person will not pass the exam. Basically, she was hinting that she will fail the person.

This is common thing in NLUO. You raise your voice and you are usually dealt with like this.

The title. Why have firms like Khaitan, AZB, and SAM not set up shop in Hyderabad ? Plus, looks like NDA, DSK have shut shop, and looks like JSA does not have a corporate team there anymore, after the partner left to set up his own shop. To add to it, neither does Indus or Samvad seem to have a major local client base. What is going on ?

I had asked the "founder" of the journal of how they get these internships. He said "setting hai hamari".

It's not only non nlus that get internships through their journals, majority of them are from rmnlu and jindal too. This is not right as they're claiming a position of a deserving candidate of either non-nlu or nlu.

Firms should stop entertaining them.