does not matter

All these left students are anyway gonna work with companies of adani ambani and other wealth creators lol but will vote for parties who talk about excesssive freebies, caste census, wealth distribution as if its gonna take economy at some new heights like bihar has done after caste census

Recent LI thread of caste census just showed how left in india has changed from progressiveness to backwardnesss.

I still know many Right wing and neutral students who are in law schools

There is nothing special about the NLUs that other universities cannot replicate. The key is to do it for an affordable price and make the entrance exam big enough to attract real talent from the potential students. Think of NLUD. It did the same thing without joining CLAT. If it had been called by some other name, it could still have done all of that. A good VC, decent faculty, updated curriculum and pedagogy and building industry connect. These are all that are needed.

My two cents about Jindal: if you are confident that you can be a top student there and take full advantage of all the opportunities on offer, go for it. Otherwise, you may be relegated to the cesspool of mediocrity most of its students are in.

Objectively, may be safer to go to a traditional college/ random NLU, and then take the exam again just to see if you can make it. It may change your life. 35l + interest is a large amount, and working one year for it is worthwhile. Think about it, even as a T1 graduate with a T1 job, you will take at least two years to make 35l.

With an AZB tag on your CV and competitive salary to provide for/ finance your living the GREAT INDIAN DREAM, you shouldn’t fuss. Especially if you aren’t Muslim 🤷🏿‍♀️ I suspect that you aren’t. I’m also sure that your attitude won’t take you far at AZB or any other Tier 1 law firm. Please review your attitude towards work.

I have applied at AZB Delhi several times and never got so much as an interview call. Ask me how difficult it is to earn even half of what you do. There’s no certainty in my life in terms of workflow and revenue generation. A lot of the work that’s moving around is taxing and super low paying. Here’s some context to drive home my point - I don’t make a sound when a client short pays me by almost a lakh on a 3 lakh rupee bill which stands on 14 days mixed work to the tune of ~ 300 hours. This client now has a cash flow problem and has paid me 25K on a 2 lakh bill. India is full of trashy clients like this. What’s worse is that they, more often than not, are gullible as hell. Clients like these get easily swayed by bad (cheaper) shortcuts then come back after burning their fingers demanding to be saved.

Long story short - be damn grateful for what you have. Work hard and save your tier one job like your life depends on it. Outside it is a boundless sea of mediocrity, which will most certainly break your spirit.

Pre-NLUD: Didn't care either way, but I would lean a bit more towards individual freedom.

At NLUD: Learned to empathize, would say I had very hardcore libertarian ideals. Would value individual freedom more than anything else probably. Also strongly believed in identity politics - gender, sexuality, caste, religion etc.

Post-NLUD: Still feel individual freedom matters a lot. However, I think it is sad that all the dialogue space is occupied by identity politics whereas there are a lot more "real" issues that India has not solved, like hunger and poverty. I would now call myself a centrist - I care about individual rights but also understand that economic progress may contribute to some upliftment.

The college course had nothing to do with what I believe in. It's just a part of growing up and trying to make sense of the world around you. Grateful to college for making me keep an open mind.

So the mighty JGLS has dropped from 70 to 72?? Looks like an indication of deterioration to me? See their webpage here describing how they are 70th in the world in 2022.

https://jgu.edu.in/jgls/

Vivek ramaswamy want to raise the bar because most of the young voters are democrats and 3rd party voters.

By your logic, nobody above the age of 60 should be allowed to vote, they are one of the most decepteble population and they contribute to the rise in misinformation

If 18 year old can go to war they can surely be allowed to vote.

If I can give you some practical advice
1. This is a bad year for fresher hiring for various reasons beyond your control. This is not your fault, but you will have to deal with it.

2. Take whichever job you can get now which promises good learning and/ or good exposure to other lawyers/ clients etc. Don't focus on the money as long as it is enough for you to take care of your bills and any other necessary payments. Right now all you need to do is get your foot in the door and use your job to become a better lawyer.

3. Your best bet to increase the amount of money you make will be to switch jobs, keep a look out for opportunities amongst people you interact with as part of your job. If you do good work you will be noticed, this I can guarantee you. When I am looking to hire someone who has work exp, where they graduated from is far less important to me than what work they have done and how much they have learned.
4. Do not worry at all about the time it will take you to reach X salary or Y designation. Everyone has their own path and their own way to traverse it. Your life is at the beginning not the end. Good luck.

Which NLU has got compulsory coursework for a year? Most get it done within 6 months and you don't even need to be there physically during this period apart from the weekend classes. It's not that you can't continue your research during coursework. You clearly have never pursued a PhD of your own to have such inaccurate idea about one.

Please check the current publication record of the NLUD professors including the ones mentioned in this thread. You will find it nothing exceptional compared to the other top NLUs. This 'improved research culture' is a carefully constructed myth. Most of their good faculty have already left over the last 3-4 years.

JGLS sure is producing a good quantity of legal research articles in SCOPUS indexed journals. Gradually, the quality may also improve. It'll be interesting to see if they can break into top 20 in the next 5 years and top 5 in next 20 years.

If rankings are the way, people should come to JGLS for education at a fraction of cost when compared to NTU. And in 20 years, JGLS will make sure that India becomes Vishwaguru in legal education. All hail JGLS.

Get an iPad - it's a sine qua non to be a disputes lawyer in today's age. In addition to the massive help in courts, use it as a second screen. Store your files in a drive/cloud and access it from both your work laptop and your iPad. (If your work laptop is a new gen MacBook and you get a compatible iPad, it actually acts as a second screen wirelessly.)

Have a meticulous file organization system. If your firm is lackadaisical about it, have your own system and stick to it.

Also, today you get many screens which connect to your laptop/desktop via USB. They're sleek and portable. A good option - and I'll argue better than two monitors stuck together at work.

The perils of fake news on LI. Time to send Kian an SOS and ask him to do something.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/trilegal-denies-rumours-equity-partner-nisha-kaur-uberoi-slapped-associate

The article says stuff that can easily describe the legal profession too. For example:

"Pulling all-nighters to assemble PowerPoint presentations. Punching numbers into Excel spreadsheets. Finessing the language on esoteric financial documents that may never be read by another soul."

"There are jokes among junior bankers that the most common tasks of the job involve dragging icons from one side of a document to another, only to be asked to replace the icon over and again."

Now, law firm-ites are also seen as glamorous like investment bankers: expensive cars and watches, champagne at fancy parties, beautiful WAGs. But is their work also similarly routine and replaceable as AI? In fact, are they even MORE replaceable than investment bankers?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/10/business/investment-banking-jobs-artificial-intelligence.html

Restrict voting to over 21s.

Restrict voting to taxpayers.

Restrict voting to university degree holders.

You will automatically see an improvement in the quality of politicians and the quality of governance. India will then truly become a developed country.

"UPSC-determined cut-off".

Similarly, there is also an NUJS-determined cut-off for NRI quota.

"failed to meet the cut-off for NUJS in general merit category, but is allowed to join if he can pay more money."

Similarly, one may fail to meet the cut-off for UPSC in general merit category but be allowed join the UPSC by virtue of being born to an SC/ST/OBC father.

"No one can pay their way into joining the civil services."

And neither can one pay their way into NUJS. You need to have a certain score, which is very often higher than the SC/ST/OBC cut-off and higher than certain other NLUs in the merit list.

"Work on your analogy skills."

Works both ways, cupcake.

I don't know about that but what I do know for sure is that my presence in the courtroom is just a bad omen for Mr Lall. Every time I step into a room where he argues he loses that case!!🤦‍♀️ I am so sure of this because he was once opposite me in a matter where he had a damn good case, he lost that too! 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🙈🙈🙈I to this date give me 0 credit for that win! 🙈🙈🙈Shudder at the thought of briefing him one day🤦‍♀️Jokes apart, he's a smart counsel. His tech game is SO on point. Please look up the discussion he had with Pravin Anand and Justice Endlaw during COVID-19. It's on YouTube and a must-watch for every junior counsel and law firm partner on how to manage and use e-copies of a court file. The other thing that impresses me about Mr Lall, besides his many landmark victories in the courtroom, is his passion for cycling and fitness. Mr Lall has a great personality. Whenever I see him I want to hit a gym or play a sport or do something to get fit! He comes through as an all-rounder and a great sign of a promising bar!

About frikkin time!

https://www.barandbench.com/news/bombay-high-court-pil-enforce-75-attendance-law-colleges-mumbai-university

There is a reason that QS rankings are bullshit. A whopping 45% of the rankings are based on academic and employer REPUTATION, which as many in academia and MNCs have pointed out are wildly inaccurate. Employment OUTCOMES, btw, like actual jobs, count for only 5%. There is also a 'research network' weightage of 5%.

Methodology source: https://support.qs.com/hc/en-gb/articles/4405955370898-QS-World-University-Rankings

Times also gets heat on the inaccurate reputation comprising of 33% of their rankings, but just that 12% drop compared to QS makes their rankings have an astonishing difference.

Methodology source: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/world-university-rankings-2024-methodology

Having now done some research on this, I found a good example: Tilburg Law School, Netherlands. They consistently rank #1 in SSRN by downloads [1]. Note that Tilburg Law and their Law & Economics department are split in the rankings (unlike other schools on the list) and yet both as split schools feature in top 10 along with Oxford, Cambridge, LSE etc. and the entirety of the Max Planck Law group.

Reflecting this, Tilburg ranks #18 in the world above UPenn, UMich, UCLA etc. in the Times Ranking. [2] However, the moment subjective reputations play a large part, Tilburg ranks 101-150 in QS. [3] That is an extreme change which does not reflect citations, outputs and teaching. Yes, teaching. I found that Tilburg is rated exceptionally high in Dutch student surveys (4/5 stars) as well. [4]

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[1] https://hq.ssrn.com/rankings/Ranking_Display.cfm?TMY_gID=2&TRN_gID=14

[2] https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2024/subject-ranking/law#!/length/-1/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

[3] https://www.topuniversities.com/university-subject-rankings/law-legal-studies?search=tilburg

[4] https://www.studiekeuze123.nl/opleidingen/6984-rechtsgeleerdheid-tilburg-university-wo-bachelor

Bhai/Behen, dil khol ke apne dukh ko likha humne. Literally, I thought I shouldn't have written this. This is too much information. Par aapko cool banna hai.

Let me tell you what Aspirants and other Bull**** do not tell you. It is not really the subjects which are hard, it is loneliness. It is too too lonely.

Alone. In a dingy room. No girl. No friends. No hope of cracking the exam. And you do not even know how to get out now as you have spent 3+ years in this. Shit in the name of CV.

You also have depression and not low, 100x negative self esteem. In Hindi, there is a word called - "Kosna" as in being hyper critical of something. Every time you'll look in the mirror after each failure, after every 10 days, you'll have bouts of extreme self loathing. Tum kosoge apne aap ko. Why am I so so dumb? Why I do not have the motivation to study? Why I am not disciplined enough? And you cannot get out. The lure of IAS is too big. Too big. A Google or McKinsey cannot compete with it. Hence, you'll continue in this.

The question is batao, as a General Male from a middle class family, kiske saamne jaake roe? Sarkar ke saamne, Imaginary girlfriend ke saamne (no Dhairya talks in real life buddy, you mend your own spectacles, and wear mota specs in the dark corners too, so that people do not see you when you sob), ya 40 LPA package wale dosto ke saamne? Pin point again, is you cannot get out unless your attempts are over, it is almost impossible to get out of that zone.

Anyway, I wish you all the best. I hope you all crack the exam! Go make us proud. But, please don't post bull**** cool banne wala comments. Itna empathy dikha do.

Hey folks,

What are some everyday, irksome tasks in your workflow, and have you found any clever workarounds? For example, at my previous firm, the restriction on using a second screen/ monitor meant one was doomed to endless switching between tabs and documents. The Word split-view feature at least made life a tad easier. Or perhaps you've experienced the hair-splitting task of finding that one email from a cesspool of a mailbox you inherited.

Would be interesting to hear transactional and disputes lawyers' tech/ workflow struggles, uncover common pain points (maybe associates/ partners face the same or wildly different problems!) and hopefully, discover solutions to those pesky everyday tasks.

Lot of good points here. Just to add another from personal experience.

We have interns, virtual and in office every month. I called one of the virtual ones since we were informed that he is available. Assigned him a task. Immediately after understanding the task, he told me that he also had college assignments to complete and was expecting some work from his assigned team. While he did finish the task, I did not reach out to him again.

It was very strange - firstly, He was somewhat selective in what he wanted to do, which is fair but it's difficult to place a high degree of trust on an intern, so the task allocated would not be of very high quality. Secondly, it just flipped a button in my head when he said that he has college work, after listening to the task. He's still here for a month, and he did well in the task, but I'd rather do it myself now. Did I experience disappointment?

Thirdly, terrible formatting. I had to get on another call to understand what he had written in the mail.

Takeaways - please be clear on total time available, if college is a priority, please don't chase the certificate, or pick a month with full commitment. Communicate clearly and reach out proactively. Submit good quality work, virtual impressions are even more delicate. Ask for phantom tasks to keep busy. Finally, be humble - your contributions are important, but ego is the enemy.

If you quote a case, they will ask for the provision of law under which the matter was litigated. Be sure you have these details with you. Read the sections again and on what basis did you proceed with the case. Quote supreme courts judgments, ratio etc. If corporate, mention the sections of Companies act, FEMA under which you researched. Thereafter you will be grilled and your knowledge will be tested. Make yourself very clear and be confident of your response. Don't be adamant and politely say that you would like to hear interviewer's perspective and that you are happy to be corrected/guide. Be confident, show that you're are honest and hardworking (which you should be). Most important, don't faff. It is okay to say you want to take a guess and you are unsure of the correct response.

BS. Compulsory coursework work is anywhere between 6 months to 1 year. After which no one is completing their PhD in 2 years. Also, you should be the one to check. All NLUs state a minimum of 3 years before final PhD maybe submitted, which takes another 4-5 months of finally getting through

If you actually have a PhD you would know that the average time taken to complete a PhD is 5 years across the globe. You should also be aware that it was the UGC guidelines that has pushed for a MINIMUM 3 years and maximum 6 year limit. You should also be aware that the maximum time taken for a PhD in JNU is 5 years, even an extension of one year is difficult to get, if you knew about the COVID protests of extension, you would have known. If you would have been a PhD in law, you would have checked out every NLU, where the minimum time is 3 years, in SAU it's 5 years, in JNU it's 5 years, in IIT & IIMs it's 5 years on an average, in DU it's 4 years. All in all, if you were actually a PhD, you would know that there is no university in India that allows you to complete a PhD in less than 3 years. So stop spreading fake BS, or more importantly, you need to go back & do your PhD again.

Firstly, it is OK if some bloke writes nonsense about NFSU with a long fictitious story, but not OK when I respond.

Secondly, I wonder why several NLUs have research centers and/or departments on forensic science (NUJS, NLUD, MNLU, etc.) and a dozen have signed MOUs with NFSU. Almost every NLU teaches at least one course/subject on forensic science. All these must be really crazy people.

Thirdly, it would be good to know if there's any NLU that teaches fashion design or hotel management in their law curriculum.

So get off your high horse, and just observe this thread quietly. You don't have the mental faculty to understand why NFSU is discussed here.

I'm an upcoming A0 at T1 firm. I was excited to receive an offer from the Cap Marks team but in the past few months, reading a lot of threads on LI and also interacting with a few people I feel that Cap Marks is just very overworked.

Is it the same with other practice areas in T1 firms or is Cap Marks the winner of "the worst work-life balance and zero weekends" award?

Reactions by the NLU bhakts on this platform:
1. The QS ranking methodology is flawed, hence NLS' ranking is abysmal.
2. NLS has a policy of not taking such ranking seriously.
3. JGLS' through its contacts was able to influence the outcome.
4. NLS believes in the NIRF ranking over the QS ranking.
5. This cannot be true. This is an April fool's joke, albeit a belated one.
6. Our students are better, so who cares about these rankings?
7. But we have the "Wrodes" scholars.
8. .........
9. .....

Let's see how far / deep the stupidity goes.

foreign llm does not help with litigation

the names you mentioned or people who are doing litigations after llm come from privileged background

i know some will mention a couple of names who are not from that background, but they are exceptions

if your family can afford the money then do the llm but it will be of little use unless you come from that strata of the society

Hello sir/ma'am, I had interned with Azb Bangalore for the month of February and since everything went well for me I have applied for a callback and chances are most probably I will get it, but the thing is with him leaving the firm will there be chances of ppo from the disputes team since I heard he used to hire on a rolling basis but with him leaving things will change. Already I heard the disputes team is full. I am from the batch of 2025 from a tier II Nlu. What should I do? Your guidance will be much helpful for me.

Tesla chief Elon Musk will visit India this month to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi and is expected to make an announcement related to his plans to invest and open a new factory in India, two sources with direct knowledge said.

The billionaire executive will meet PM Modi in the week of April 22 in New Delhi, and will separately make an announcement about his India plans, said the two sources, who declined to be named as the trip details are confidential.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/elon-musk-to-meet-pm-modi-in-india-may-announce-new-factory-report-5413607/amp/1

Very dumb argument and honestly, I don’t know how it’s even a counter. For a quota candidate to get into IAS, he still has to clear the UPSC-determined cut-off and meet the minimum eligibility criteria. For the NRI person in CLAT, he has failed to meet the cut-off for NUJS in general merit category, but is allowed to join if he can pay more money. Where is the correlation between the two? No one can pay their way into joining the civil services. This is like comparing apples and oranges except even more nonsensical. Work on your analogy skills.