I haven't heard any sane person calling it a 'Hindu' problem. It is a far-right problem. A Modi Problem. A BJP problem. Nobody should do the Hindus the criminal injustice of painting us all with that brush. However, right wing trolls like you, in an attempt to make reasonable people who don't agree with your far-right views look bad, invite cranks to talk this way, revealing your own IQ levels and surprising us that you can string two words together!

Says a rich Hindu person living in India (the modern-day equivalent of the Apartheid-era rich white South African) who probably turns up their nose and remarks about the 'smell' of their maid's body.

I have never seen such deliberate misconstruction in my life. For your information, I don't the Taliban should be allowed anywhere near power in any country. Also, there have been far more instances of Hindus linching Muslims than the other way around. Why don't you go to Modi and ask him to condemn those?

As for "[eating] cake" etc., I, unlike you, wouldn't do working class people in Britain or anywhere the injustice of pretending to speak for them. What I can tell you is that I, unlike you, don't take working class British people for fools, because they aren't.

Vishwa guru is stuck at 3 bronzes, all from shooting. Below Taiwan, Thailand, Fiji, North Korea, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Uganda, Ethiopia, Cuba, St Lucia, Kenya, Jamaica, Uzbekistan, Iran, Guatemala, Dominica, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Kosovo, Mongolia… 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Yet Nita Bhabhi and Modiji are still pushing for billions to be spent hosting the 2036 Olympics. 😂😂😂

Pi-bashing is a phenomenon that's been around for much longer than the 80's and 90's. You are right about the part about the social disadvantage which Pakistani and Bangladeshi-origin people face there. But Pi-bashing was started by people (and is practiced by people) who probably wouldn't be able to point to either India or Pakistan on a map.

is it true that securing placements as a fresher in the disputes team (both through PPOs and Day zero) is considerably difficult than GC or any other team for that matter? Moreover, is there also any difference in terms of the salaries offered to the A0s in these areas of law?

Undoubtedly a coup facilitated by the U.S. Deep State. Check these links out. This is why I want Trump and Vance to win despite Trump’s faults. Their foreign policy is one of isolationism. They also don’t give an F about the Gates-Rockefeller-Soros-Ford NGO ecosystem that hypocritically and selectively alleges human rights violations in other countries. When asked what he would have done after Russia had attacked Ukraine, Trump answered: “Nothing, I would have done absolutely nothing.”

https://www.news18.com/amp/opinion/global-watch-how-us-meddling-has-pushed-bangladesh-into-chaos-and-anarchy-8992785.html

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/americans-have-got-their-man-in-office-expert-as-muhammad-yunus-agreed-to-be-chief-advisor-to-interm-govt-in-bangladesh-440370-2024-08-06

https://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-a-cia-backed-coup-nobel-laureate-yunus-at-helm-in-bangladesh-3100938

I don't understand this obsession with "top-tier" firms. It's a job—nothing more, nothing less. Unless, of course, working in a firm is your one true love, then ... well, more power to you, I suppose. But it is undisputable that it can be a high-stress work environment, and your only gripe being that others do not want to put up with it, but you do. This comes off as a little paternalistic.

Everyone may not desire the same things that you do. And even if you want to advise someone to commit to the firm life, you can perhaps consider not being so vitriolic about it.

You will only get a college experience once, you will have to work every day for the next 30-40 years after.

Living in Mumbai is a struggle, from day 1 - finding apartments, being on a budget, and managing work (internship) and college expectations together will be very stressful and challenging.

While Pune is a much student friendly city, ILS has a decent campus, and it is as reputed an institute as GLC (if not more). ILS is surrounded by colleges like FTII, Gokhale, Symbi, Fergusson and Pune University. It offers a student-friendly atmosphere and lets you interact with a diverse crowd. It may allow you time to pursue your hobbies, hit the gym or play sports. Things like these are difficult to manage in Mumbai (especially as a student).

Pune may not have much to offer from a legal professional's perspective, but it hosts good tax lawyers, original side litigators (if you are well versed in Marathi), and a few law firms also have their offices in Pune. There are a few tax firms as well. Lectures at ILS mostly get over by 11:00 am, which allows students to intern on the side.

You will find a job sooner or later, but you will never get your college life back!

On YouTube I found so many videos of DYC at Jindal events. Maybe the students of NLUs that he is not visiting, especially where he is Chancellor, should write a letter protesting this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NWLIobE3NnM&pp=ygUSQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTMABYk0u5A&pp=ygUSQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oNrcNu7jufY&pp=ygUSQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii2i6zy_a54&pp=ygUSQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YbbqytS01AU&pp=ygUSQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPGd03hbHI&pp=ygUZQ2hhbmRyYWNodWQgamluZGFsIGdsb2JhbA%3D%3D

I am a student in BML Munjal right now and I am not very satisfied with the university. First I thought it was me and then I saw another thread here about Munjal being bad. The biggest problem is peer group is not that great and infrastructure is in fact very poor specially hostel. The faculty is very great probably the best in any private law school after Jindal and few others. Right now I will be paying almost 30l without scholarship which I can get from second year onwards. The batch is just 50 students and even in that peer group is not really good.

As legally India is website for lawyers please guide me whether I should continue here or change to other Universities mentioned above. I might get some scholarship in Bennett as they are still offering. Is it a good college? Other option is Amity and Lyod although I don’t know if they are still offering some scholarship.

“Islamophobia”, eh? Would you welcome those category of Bangladeshis who are urinating and breaking Mujibur Rahman’s statue, and burning Hindu temples? The truth is that this category of uneducated Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have been flooding the UK illegally, far far outnumbering the minuscule elites from these countries studying to become barristers and doctors.

It also matters as to how difficult you exactly define a first generation Advocate. Someone with a rich network consisting of noteworthy individuals from politics, business, or other high society circles, despite not having the blood connect, definitely can gain from their social circle. The 'network = net worth' is not a mere saying in legal field, but a reality.

Can someone please shed some light on the pay differences among T1/T2 firms based on locations. Also any tip on pay differences based on practice areas of corp teams in the same firm will be much appreciated.

I have heard that AZB pays less in Bangalore, if anyone knows the exact amount please do share. Also what's the scene at Trilegal, CAM and Khaitan?

Thanks!!!

It's real and they handle administrative decision making, nothing too fancy. Big ticket partner hires etc are orchestrated by the board largely. It's also important from a PR perspective, makes the EPs feel like they're doing something substantial with their lives. Talk is that the new board has been asked to focus on retention measures to deal with high attrition rates

GIFT City Gandhinagar and NFSU School of Law to establish a "Centre of Excellence in Corporate Forensics". NFSU's BBA-LLB (H) offered in the Delhi campus specializes in Corporate Forensics.

https://money.rediff.com/news/market/gift-city-nfsu-partner-for-corporate-forensics-center/13951720240807

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/centre-of-excellence-in-corporate-forensics-to-be-set-up-in-gift-city/article68496868.ece

Where's your 30 under 30 award ? Or 40 under 40 ? Didn't see your picture in Forbes and that means you're living a mediocre life as well jackass.

This generation is not put in a delusional hypnosis that "work hard, sacrifice everything & it will pay well" mindset that millennials were taught. I am a millennial myself that founded a top tier firm, & someone that left the corporate life for litigation. With your 20 years experience, I'd say we're around the same age. Let me tell you that I stopped dreaming and woke up just like this generation has, and realised that being a corporate slave isn't worth it. Despite being a founder, the top honcho, I still was working 16 hours just to "please" clients, that didn't give a crap about my health as long as I did the job. So stop spewing this weak mentality garbage.

Moreover, the kids have realised that law firm doesn't even pay half of what MBAs or Tech does. So any kid reading this, don't pull up with this BS, your mental health is more important than being in a constant abusive work culture. Also, 20 years in litigation will pay you much better than 20 years in firms, with added benefits of spending time with the fam. Knucklehead like above will justify their position cause they're too scared to admit that they're nothing more than a paper pushing corporate slave. When in reality, in today's day & age you can easily earn as well as life comfortably without destroying your own health and environment.

Here's the deal: the number of students has increased, but the number of jobs available has remained stagnant. Also, because of the increase in quotas and shrinkage of the merit list, many bright students who would otherwise have made it to NUJS are being compelled to enrol at Jindal or GNLU -- and recruiters are preferring them.

FYI both boxers defeated by Imane and the Taiwanese boxer (the other controversial boxer with XY chromosomes) make XX signs with their hands after losing, as a protest statement to show that they are women.

The finals for Imane and the Taiwanese boxer take place this weekend. Both are favourites to win gold.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/07/olympics-boxing-live-gender-row-fighter-lin-yu-ting-women/

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=ESPNIndia&story_fbid=1040952270731896 mental health crisis of GenZ is affecting all sectors be it law or sports. Lakshya Sen at the age of 22 wilted under pressure. We are seeing the same thing with 22/23 year old A0s and even interns

I can't agree more to this. Gone are those days!!! People have higher ambitions than it. And def it's just one another job/ service, most of them get married to a higher earning person , get huge dowry and that's their higher source of earning. I personally know an IPS officer who married a senior of mine(who's a doctor and her parents own a big hospital) obviously he'd be a legal owner of it after years, and got paid 7cr+ a flat and a car in dowry.

Me wondering where does this money go if the further generations don't have it?? I know 3-4 such families were the future generations led a below normal to average life once their grandfather's (Retd IAS/IRS) did pass or leave the job. Where did those 100 cr go? Also the corruption is high. But C'mon you def can't buy a Porsche or a Mclaren and park it.

I agree with you, the lower the level the high is the corruption, I know a lot such engineers and PWD ones. IAS officers are more targeted by politicians and when coming to IPS, I've seen both the kids of an IPS ANS IFS leading an average life no hi-fi perks compared to buisness lads. And I've also seen a much part of corruption happening at a police station is at SHO level.

Does anyone know which teams in Khaitan (Delhi office) give out PPOs? Is it worth interning there? since once you have interned there and have not received a PPO, they don't shortlist you on Day zero. Is it worth taking a shot there because it's mostly lateral hiring in the Delhi office?

Yes, his course plans are a good place to get started. I would recommend the following three in particular:

https://www.academia.edu/104798656/LAW_AND_JUSTICE_IN_A_GLOBALIZING_WORLD_July_October_2023_NALSAR_Hyderabad

https://www.academia.edu/96332831/POLITICAL_OBLIGATIONS_January_April_2018_NALSAR_Hyderabad

https://www.academia.edu/96332992/JUDICIAL_PROCESS_AND_STATUTORY_INTERPRETATION_July_October_2018_NALSAR_Hyderabad

Of course. Lawyers have actually conceded this area because lawyers have zero ability to grasp anything to do with numbers or with a heavy structuring which needs creativity but are happy to do all the copy paste SPAs or do DDs. Btw, Mr. Datar has gone way beyond Tax, though he started with tax. Similarly, Mr. Salve.

I am from 2025 batch.

I am very much confused about going to law firms or going to corporate.

Practise area doesn't bothers me.

I just want to settle and get the job.

I am confused that whether I should do 1-1 month law firm internships or should do long term corporate internship.

I am worried that law firms will not given extensions and it highly depends on vacancies as well. On the other hand I want a good package also.

What should I do?

Law firm any day?

Or long term corporate internship?

Answers from the experienced ones are highly appreciated.

What are the teams at Tri Bangalore and Mumbai those are likely to hand out PPOs for their corp teams? Which teams across these two offices (name partners) have good work culture (don't mind the hours, just shouldn't be toxic). Any insights on Kannan's (Mumbai) and Arjun's (Bangalore) Team would be much appreciated. Also, who are the other partners in Arjun's team, heard that he is a non-toxic and pleasant to work with, TBH any tips on non-toxic partners and teams would be super helpful!

Any info on the corp practices of both the offices would be much appreciated.

Yours eternally grateful,

Jobless Jolene

To the one who posted this and the first response, cut down the condescension and understand where people working in chambers are coming from. Yes, it's unfortunate that litigation lawyers are still being grossly underpaid. But a lot of people are willing to put up with it because that's where you truly learn litigation. It's not that people in chambers are inherently dumber than those in tier 1s, it's a question of long term goals and priorities. Working in a chambers is an excellent way to gain immense exposure, both in terms of understanding court craft and also in terms of learning how a chambers functions. The things you learn at a chambers will definitely put you on track to take up independent practice. If you need any more convincing, ask yourself how much senior advocates and even junior counsels make by arguing matters. Even partners at tier 1 law firms will bend over backwards in respect for counsels, even if they're on the younger side, because that's the value they bring to the table when matters have to be argued. In short, it's a matter of priorities, not everyone's just in it for the big bucks straight after law school.

What do you mean tax isn't pure law?

And who are these 'We lawyers' who don't consider tax as legal practice in true sense? Speak for yourself. Your generosity in sharing your dumb mindedness is commendable, but unwelcome.

A good amount of noted lawyers of the country started as tax lawyers. (Kanga, Palkhivala, Sorabjee, Salve etc.)

Do you also not consider company law to be a pure law as CS practice the same?

During my day 0 two years ago, these were the two topics that came up in GD:

1. Do deadlines negatively impact creativity?

2. Third Party funding in litigation: Boon or Bane?

These were fairly general and open ended in nature, I'd suggest staying abreast of legal developments and hot topics in legal news, even if they're not specific to the field you're looking to join. All the best!

Bro, you're in a T1 NLU — you don't need connections for T2 firms. Two out of the three T1 NLUs have a longstanding relationship with Veritas and have specifically assigned internship slots for them. The third is NLS & if you have a good CV and apply to Veritas HR there's little chance that she would say no to you.

For Indus, send mails to the HR person who serves as POC for your college's committee. Otherwise just find recent alumni from college who work there and shoot them messages for internships. One of them will end up being kind enough to forward your mail or atleast permit you to CC them on a mail — either of them will increase your chances. For Argus, again, your college would have an assigned POC HR, figure it out and drop mails.

All of that said and done, if you have a good CV and are from the top 3 colleges, you could definitely aim higher and get a spot at a better & higher paying firm.

Does PGCL have a three year course? Or are your referring to JCCL, by any chance? Any which way, in lines with your question, stating PGCL in the response.

Obviously, GLC for brand name.If that doesn't work out for some reason, New Law> KC> PGCL> Advani

Only ranking PGCL above Advani coz the former's considered a decent* MU College for 5 year course

* as decent as you can be under MU's control.

Do check attendance policy, though. SVKM managed colleges are known to have a tough attendance requirement.

1.Which team in the law firm should I be part of to get most in-house opportunities?

2. If I am not able to manage stress etc. in law firm as an A0, what is the minimum time period I should spend to get into in-house counsel practice? I guess few months would be like 'this guy is useless'. Atleast one year?

3. If I am able to survive law firm pressure in the initial years but then want to spend more time with family and kids etc. then what is the ideal time/PQE to switch? Five years?

us bhai us, this world is a cruel place. Reaching out to people has become a hobby now with no oppournities i also dont know what to do. Fuck this, Law as a profession is highly nepotisitic see even the judges, its like the king's son geting the thrown. Partners are mere people they would anyways prefer to hire from their connects or the T1 NLUs. We people struggle a lot!

I think some of the people here don't really understand the concept of "P*aki-bashing" that developed in the 80s and 90s UK. It's basically about the hatred of Pakistaniness and the associated of Pakistanis with negative attributes - and often Islam and Muslims are stereotyped as equating to Pakistanis. So when it comes to many social issues, Pakistanis are the main target. Furthermore, the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the most segregated in the UK, and are stereotyped with things like the drug trade, crime and youth delinquency, so it's much more than what you write about.

This is incorrect. The vast majority of the aggression is aimed at Muslims, and they have a lot of mainstream support from the British public and South Asians over this. I would not be surprised if there were riots between Hindus and Muslims as there were in the 2022 Leicester Riots.

There are a minority of far-right who hate everything including Indians, but I have come across more hate against Indians from Muslims and the left-wing, than I have from the far-right. It's only on highly moderated social media where racism against Indians is amplified.

The riots are predominantly between the nationalists and so-called "Pakistanis" (people from Muslim backgrounds of North African, Middle Eastern and South Asian descent) and generally Muslims.

There are a few racists in the far-right but most of them aren't hateful towards Indians and Sri Lankans. It's just like any protest or riot, you can't stereotype the entire group of people. But there have been a number of South Asians who have attended these far-right protests in the UK.

A bigger issue is that anti-immigration sentiment is much higher and you might have problems integrating into British society. Generally immigrants have been complaining about declining living standards and rising crime, a lot of which is to blame on Muslims (Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and North Africans generally). I have heard from a lot of immigrants from both South Asian and other backgrounds that the quality-of-life is not worth the effort, and that all the racism currently (from both right wing and left wing) is causing many to return back - the former first minister of Scotland is reportedly planning to leave Europe due to fears of rising Islamophobia.

Employment will definitively increase as the new labour codes will be passed soon. This will put India's laws in line with other jurisdictions and the manner of enforcement will again give rise to contentious issues. The core of employment practice lies at the heart of human actions and therefore the practice will continue to grow.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/highest-law-firm-salary-so-far-this-law-firm-is-offering-more-than-large-firms-for-fresh-law-graduates

But Touchstone hardly hires like 2-4 freshers.. what's the point? it's good for nothing.

Your experience would be discounted as you were not working in a B&F team in your previous T1, M&A team and B&F are different and not the same. Most probably, you will become an A0, but why on earth do you want to switch from M&A to B&F when the entire world does the opposite?

How do you identify your political and social outlook ? Are you left -right-moderate, and why ? Do you think as part of the judiciary we should have a political leaning ? As lawyers, advocates, judges, academicians should we try be more moderate ? I usually am in the centre as I am both impressed and disappointed by the arguments and points out forth by both sides. Therefore I am curious as a legal fraternity where do you stand ? How much does your political alignment affect your job ?

P.S please avoid the Gobi and Pappu, commie and bhakt analogies here. Let's have a healthy discussion.

Caps mar lawyers will keep reading the same SEBI regs over and over again. PE lawyers lol- wahi SPA (cut copy paste) and FEMA all day. IP lawyers in law firm lol. Just cos you think thats all that projects lawyers do, doesn't necessarily make it correct. Go out and learn. Band buddhi

Guessing most of the guys commenting here are are our glorified M&A/Gen corporate lawyers who've done a couple of deals on the infra side and think they've figured out projects as such.

I can give you a longish answer as such- but the general.theme is all law firm work is 'boring' when viewed through the lens of these jokers.

Happy to expand and tell you the upsides if you want, but the subgkr biggest upside is this id the closest you'll get to commercials, compared to any other practise area. What that also means is if you have longer term in house ambitions- this works best.

Companies don't do M&A for a living (except a few fund houses), nor do they keep listing themselves time and again (one IPO on 10-15 years) nor do they keep litigation for the F of it. Let me know if you know further deets.

heyo, as someone who has interned there and got in without any connections, imma try and help out. cold emailing argus partners almost never works, it seems they have a sort of filter to external mails. their selection procedure is pretty random ngl, they actually actually check the forms filled on the website - i was p surprised too. they do have a preference for local candidates tho, but if you mail the HR a few more times and follow up a bunch, im sure they'll accept it. in fact indus too for that matter, i did cold email a partner initially, but getting into both these firms took me 30 follow up mails each lmao. essentially, be patient w it and one day they'll stop ignoring you hehe

This wage warfare between all these firms dramatically raising prices to compete with each other should ignite class consciousness about how low associates at the lower ends of the totem pole are actually getting paid. The market mechanics of acquiring more labour is fueling this - the actual wages must be much much higher than what even this increase suggests.