The thing is, although it started as an anti-Muslim riot and Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League (the ringleader) is actually tweeting in support of Hindus, it is now becoming just all-out chaos where shops are being looted, everyone is being attacked and robbed etc. Just outright thuggery by neo-Nazi hooligams. Also inevitably gonna be counter-violence from the Pakistani community and their gangs. Us poor Indians are caught in the middle.

Although London and Oxbridge are not affected, there is violence in Manchester, Leicester etc, where some people do go to study law. Anyone heard any stories?

Moderators, please don't mark this as trollish, you know I'm right here.

I am very pleased indeed that the quality of people who haunt this website doesn't reflect the quality of people in the Indian legal community in general. On the one hand, we have this anti-Muslim + 'Indians only are victims' mentality (see 'poor Indians'), while, on the other, we have antisemitic conspiracy theorists. We can somehow never get it right, can we!?

I haven't heard any sane person calling it a 'Hindu' problem. It is a far-right problem. A Modi Problem. A BJP problem. Nobody should do the Hindus the criminal injustice of painting us all with that brush. However, right wing trolls like you, in an attempt to make reasonable people who don't agree with your far-right views look bad, invite cranks to talk this way, revealing your own IQ levels and surprising us that you can string two words together!

On the ad hominem: I'm a secularist and im left wing. Im not far right because I see all religion as harmful. You dont know me and your assumptions say more about what you think about the world than anything about me.

Here is what I found by looking up hindu in google news.
India: Modi Launches his campaign by weaponising Hinduism: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/21/india-modi-launches-his-campaign-by-weaponizing-hinduism_6453910_4.html#
Why Hindu Right attacked Annapoorani and Netflix India Obliged: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/controversy-surrounding-annapoorani-hindu-right-vs-netflix-india/articleshow/106899584.cms
Indias Hindu Fundamentalists: https://www.aljazeera.com/program/people-power/2015/10/8/indias-hindu-fundamentalists

Delhi Riots: How a Delhi Police Investigating Officer framed 9 muslim men for an attack by a hindu mob.: https://article-14.com/post/delhi-riots-how-a-delhi-police-investigating-officer-framed-9-muslim-men-for-an-attack-by-a-hindu-mob-66569d8b05c28
Rising Hindu Nationalism leaves muslims fearful in Indias Holy City: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/30/india/india-elections-varanasi-hindu-muslim-tensions-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
Hindu Supremacists have a track record of deadly riots: https://www.dandc.eu/en/article/rss-parent-organisation-indias-ruling-bjp-and-it-thrives-islamophobia

Do note: My position is not that these authors or news papers have done anything wrong. When Religion and orthodox religious groups do things that are terrible because of their religion- we dont actually do anything good by ignoring the religious motivations.

The "Far Right" as you could call them are harmful because they are orthodox hindus who want to hurt people because of their religious beliefs. That includes within their fold the far right in places like afghanistan and iran and iraq and algeria - in the muslim world. People who roam around the streets with swords in their hands looking for members of another group to attack and do so because their religion teaches them that apostates and non believers are less human are dangerous because of their religious beliefs.

Most indian muslims dont do that - not because islam is some religion of peace- no religion is a religion of peace. But because they are indians and they chose to live in a secular country when they or their ancestors had the choice. Some orthodox Indian muslims behave the way their religion commands. The KKK and westboro baptist church and people who bomb abortion clinics do so because of their christian religion. They are religious fundamentalists.

When you dont apply the same standard to islam because you think the world is divided by racial or by east/west power relations- you stand in the way of islamic reform and you stand in the way of more moderate and rational and progressive muslims from being able to lead their community out of this dark middle age thinking. You encourage the orthodoxy by claiming that religion has nothing to do with the actions motivated by that religion.

There's no woke political correctness about this. You do know that there are Indian Muslims, too, don't you? Or aren't they Indian enough for you? If the answer to this is in the affirmative, there is no difference between you and the far-right whites you so glibly condemn.

Second, all minority ethnic peoples in the UK (and I mean all) are victims of this. We never used to make these distinctions before, and the fact that this has become a thing is disturbing and dangerous.

I think some of the people here don't really understand the concept of "P*aki-bashing" that developed in the 80s and 90s UK. It's basically about the hatred of Pakistaniness and the associated of Pakistanis with negative attributes - and often Islam and Muslims are stereotyped as equating to Pakistanis. So when it comes to many social issues, Pakistanis are the main target. Furthermore, the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the most segregated in the UK, and are stereotyped with things like the drug trade, crime and youth delinquency, so it's much more than what you write about.

Pi-bashing is a phenomenon that's been around for much longer than the 80's and 90's. You are right about the part about the social disadvantage which Pakistani and Bangladeshi-origin people face there. But Pi-bashing was started by people (and is practiced by people) who probably wouldn't be able to point to either India or Pakistan on a map.

This is incorrect. The vast majority of the aggression is aimed at Muslims, and they have a lot of mainstream support from the British public and South Asians over this. I would not be surprised if there were riots between Hindus and Muslims as there were in the 2022 Leicester Riots.

There are a minority of far-right who hate everything including Indians, but I have come across more hate against Indians from Muslims and the left-wing, than I have from the far-right. It's only on highly moderated social media where racism against Indians is amplified.

How did you label this as 'anti-mulsim' riots when majority of videos on the internet are of radical muslim groups calling for jihad while holding swords and knives? Not everything in the whole world is 'anti-muslim'. You need to drop this rhetoric. Everyone knows where UK is going and the kind of extremist views that UK muslims hold. Just stop playing the forever victim while calling for jihad please.

1. Please learn how to spell. I mean, FFS, 'anti-mulsim'?

2. Please stop speaking about matters regarding which, it is clear, you know nothing. As somebody who has lived in the UK for the past three years, I can tell you that this portrayal of it is exagerated at best, malicious at worst. From the language of your comment, I would go for malicious.

i am in london and commute from leicester, it is absolutely fine, there are about 150-200 people at each demo and they create so much ruckus that they make national headlines

there are more people in a SUCI demo in kolkata (for the uninitiated suci is fringe left group who are known for demo) another example would be the MNS demos

there is absolutely nothing to worry

Stop funding the East India Company. LLM is stupid and to fund a UK University, when they will primarily use your money to improve their LLB rankings, and when that degree entitles to you to practically nothing there, is not wise.

If Indian universities do not attract you, look a little closer. Think of NUS. Think of other European countries, which are more in need of human resource, and therefore have more sustainable prgrams.

The riots are predominantly between the nationalists and so-called "Pakistanis" (people from Muslim backgrounds of North African, Middle Eastern and South Asian descent) and generally Muslims.

There are a few racists in the far-right but most of them aren't hateful towards Indians and Sri Lankans. It's just like any protest or riot, you can't stereotype the entire group of people. But there have been a number of South Asians who have attended these far-right protests in the UK.

A bigger issue is that anti-immigration sentiment is much higher and you might have problems integrating into British society. Generally immigrants have been complaining about declining living standards and rising crime, a lot of which is to blame on Muslims (Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and North Africans generally). I have heard from a lot of immigrants from both South Asian and other backgrounds that the quality-of-life is not worth the effort, and that all the racism currently (from both right wing and left wing) is causing many to return back - the former first minister of Scotland is reportedly planning to leave Europe due to fears of rising Islamophobia.

yeap. spot on. Im so tired of assuming everyone who disagrees with me must be fundamentally evil. I can disagree with much of the racism and I can diagnose the problem differently. But Im not gonna do ordinary working class people the disservice of assuming it all comes from hate when there are legitimate grievances. And I'm certainly not going to blame the only jewish country in the world for no damn reason.

Would you call women living under taliban rule being beaten up islamophobic? Would you call muslim victims of lynchings in india hinduphobic? Would you call gays persecuted by christians christianophobic? What about people who supported those victims? Its no kind of phobia or racism to point out that fundamentalist religious people who want to impose their orthodoxy on the world are going to upset the norms that people in secular countries are accustomed to. or to point out that working class citizens of any country have a legitimate claim in wanting their government to provide for them before providing for illegal immigrants. Its elitism to think otherwise because your job hasnt gone anywhere because a slave class is imported. Your family and friends do not find it difficult to go to dance classes and go to work because mobs of illegal immigrants are assaulting them. You havent been punished for stating the race, religion or immigration status of your rapist on social media. You are safe in your ivory tower to tell the common people to eat cake and be kind.

Says a rich Hindu person living in India (the modern-day equivalent of the Apartheid-era rich white South African) who probably turns up their nose and remarks about the 'smell' of their maid's body.

I have never seen such deliberate misconstruction in my life. For your information, I don't the Taliban should be allowed anywhere near power in any country. Also, there have been far more instances of Hindus linching Muslims than the other way around. Why don't you go to Modi and ask him to condemn those?

As for "[eating] cake" etc., I, unlike you, wouldn't do working class people in Britain or anywhere the injustice of pretending to speak for them. What I can tell you is that I, unlike you, don't take working class British people for fools, because they aren't.

Why assume im rich or hindu? India is not the modern day equivalent of apartheid south africa. India is a progressive socialist secular country and has been since its birth in 1947. You need to get out of your internet bubble whether other people are always evil and the state of the world is always bad.

I do condemn the lynching of muslims. Why would you assume I dont? I condemn it because it is religious fundamentalism the same way I condemn little girls being forced to marry much older men at the age of 9.

I'm not speaking for working class people- im listening to them. You will only listen to them if they agree with what you say and dismiss them as fools if they dont agree with you.

“Islamophobia”, eh? Would you welcome those category of Bangladeshis who are urinating and breaking Mujibur Rahman’s statue, and burning Hindu temples? The truth is that this category of uneducated Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have been flooding the UK illegally, far far outnumbering the minuscule elites from these countries studying to become barristers and doctors.