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Coming to SLS
Offering 12+1 Mumbai, 10.2+1 Del and B'lore
GPA > 8
This is the last firm that will come for recruitment. Post which, it's all consultancies.

Should one go for it, and if yes, how long are they to stick w them, considering they have crap reviews.

Good people are extremely hard to find in this firm. I’ve also seen many good people join this firm and become jaded, bitter individuals because they didn’t expect it to be as bad. To make matters funny, some even develop a stockholm syndrome where they justify to themselves the bad behaviour they put up with, thereby making it okay for them to subject others to the bad behaviour.

Remember the competition team’s email saga. Barring one guy, none of the maharathis left that team - self respect be DAMNED. One of them was up for promotion as well, which they didn’t get. Last I heard, that maharathi was still giving it all in the hopes he gets promoted belatedly. Promotion ka kya karoge jab boss aise ho.

I’m out of here very soon, and that mere thought makes me so happy. Faaaak this place.

Pls advise....
Judicial services aspirant here, upon unsuccessful attempts at getting a govt job, I am planning to switch... however I stuck between choosing arbitration and teaching (ps.. I have been teaching and know various methods to mint money out of it). I am looking for someone to advise me as to which career option will help me make more money and is fulfilling in the long term.

kindly help out a lost soul.
thanks in advance.

Going by some of the other threads on this site, most law students want jobs in corporate firms. Trust me, the kind of work that NLS makes you do is just a fraction of the pressure and deadlines you will encounter in real life while working in a firm. And as much as I hated it while I was a student, I will grudgingly admit that it has helped me manage pressure in my career.

Old article that someone shared, but still relevant...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/little-to-cheer-one-olympic-medal-for-every-60-crore-indians/story-Z27YnPgsbx2SowvXRqvSIJ.html

You dont know anything about me and I dont know anything about you. Lets leave all that baseless personal stuff out. It would be safe to assume Ive been at NLS in various capacities however. You dont need validation or approval- you can be bullies who want to bully. But if you want to convince others some injustice has happened that merits forcing the VC to quit- you need to make a reasoned case that goes beyond feelings.

Students at other law schools arent actually geting a good education. The closest competitor to nls is nalsar? why dont you ask nalsar students some basic 1 L questions and figure out if they can answer them? why dont you ask them about the faculty exodus? Why dont you ask them how many real hours of teaching they get in a week and how many cancelled classes? If you want to be them- if you want to be Jindal- be my guest. Go. What anyone can tell you today is that the legal market is getting more and more competitive and if you refuse to get better you will get left behind.

Sudhir taught himself a lot of stuff when he was a student- but the faculty group back then was strong for a small university and rigorous work was demanded from students- who were a self driven lot. it was shortlived however, the institution has been in a nosedive standards wise the last couple of decades and sudhir is trying poor soul to turn things around.

Do you not want a better education? do you want to be mediocre?

this is such delusional conspiracy thinking. Do you really think Sudhir cares what students say on anonymous forums? Enough to tell people who work with him to go post on it? Hes far too dignified for all of that. People are defending him because they actually see what hes done and they have a (sometimes grudging) admiration for the man and its not nice to let someone get bullied online by an anonymous mob.

No one is ignoring you. We've heard what youve had to say, youve explained your concerns- people dont agree. Batch sizes need to increase. NLS cannot be this small elite island and continue to hire good professors and grow as an institution. Sudhir has brought on more private funding for research and for infra than any other VC before him. I dont see any random irrelevant new courses- public policy is a good programme. the LLB move, while unpopular with students, is a bet that will work out in the long term. Not giving you free attendance and dancing to the whims of recruiters doesnt mean that he wants his graduates to be jobless- it means his job is to prioritise academics and thats what hes doing.

Only students who are worried about jobs think that recruiters must be appeased and catered to like they are modern day kings. These people are professionals who are recruiting other professionals. If you made a schedule that worked for the university and for them there is no reason for them to be offended. Those of us who have been working for a while know this already. We know that flagellation and brown-nosing isnt what makes us hire from a university or hire particular candidates or not. Its what we have a requirement for, and how can we get reliable smart people who can do the job we need them to.

Sudhir didnt cooperate with all these crazy demands like condoning attendance for interviews- what happened? did firms walk out of your day zero? of course they didnt. because its not some dick measuring contest about who is the bigger boss. its just about scheduling and everyone getting their work done.

extreme stand point epistemology. "No one can tell me I'm wrong because no one else has lived my life" is not a convincing argument. Reasonable adults can see facts and decide what they make of it. Instead of just vaguely alleging there are facts that make you right- you would be better off actually telling us what those facts are or what information you have that outsiders dont.

Hi guys, OP here. When you guys drop the partners' names, can you please mention how the team is, work hours, work culture etc. TBH is it too much to expect decent work hours (8-10 regular and 12+ on busy days)? I have interned with T1 firms but the work hours have been sane so far (8-10 hours max) I think it is because interns don't get work post 7 and sometimes there is actually no work at that time (as internships breaks mostly coincide with the vacation month of niche teams). It would be really helpful if someone can guide me on this because so far I haven't interned with any toxic teams and any info on such non-toxic teams with mostly sane teams across all the T1 firms would be extremely helpful. AND I actually don't mind working long hours (10-12) but I want to know if there are any teams that stop working post 7/8 like firms like TT&A and Finsec (also heard the same about Anand's team at AZB)

Thanks

While his leadership style may work for some, it may be stifling for someone sensitive to a 'roughing-up' type of teaching attitude (which people normally are and rightfully should be). A little self awareness and empathy could help. He is old school which works for him as a lawyer but not for someone who likes to maintain a personal life beyond work and pursue intellectual passions beyond just the law firm work.

That said, his book his good but the domain is limiting so weigh your options accordingly.

35, Kolkata, in-house counsel. Around 10 cr in total assets, which consists of my own savings and money gifted by my parents. I save good money as I work from home. I have also invested well in stocks and MFs (though I have lost 20 lakhs since the markets turned bearish).

Only advice I can give you guys is this: stop buying stocks in underdog companies. The government and establishment will do everything to F you up. Invest in Adani, Reliance and th

F*** everything and look at placement data, which is the most important.

NLSIU - 56/74 placed with 16 lakhs median salary

NLUD - 69/83 placed with 14 lakhs median salary

NALSAR - 98/112 placed with 16 lakhs median salary

NUJS - 108/127 placed with 20 lakhs median salary

Symbi - 70/72 placed with 12 lakhs median salary

Jamia - 51/66 placed with 8.5 lakh median salary

IIT KGP - 29/20 placed with 18.7 lakh median salary

GNLU - 163/175 placed with 16 lakh median salary

SOA University - 42/52 placed with 5.45 lakh median salary

Ambedkar University Lucknow - 31/38 placed with 6.5 lakh median salary

KIIT - 258/281 placed with 6 lakh median salary

AMU - 184./217 placed with 12.5 lakh median salary

Very obviously most of the non-NLUs have lied about their stats. This has hurt GNLU's ranking. I would urge GNLU to approach the Gujarat lobby and institute an audit against these colleges. It's practically like doping in the Olympics.

Oh, you meant physically? Nobody tried to hurt Sudhir physically either. The firecracker had been set off in an empty room when he was not be there. Is he or his fans narrating the story otherwise to play the victim card? As for any mental scarring or trauma that may have been caused to him because of that, his antics have caused such thousandfold to many a student at NUJS and NLS both.

I am not going to even legitimise these comments with a detailed reply because clearly you guys are not from NLS - very evident from your replies. But if you think so many students are simply wrong and doing this because they can't cope or are "emotionally fragile", then honestly no argument in the world could convince you that may be there is a limit to how rigorous a degree should be.

PS - I am unsure you even know what the current level of rigour is lol.

No. I meant least prioritised. If you allow students to miss classes and skip coursework because they want to play sports, attend music festivals, do their extra curricular competitions, because they have a headache, they have a cold, they have the grumpies, because some recruiter wants interviews on his schedule- then youre essentially saying academics and coursework are the least prioritised activity on campus. You should learn to read.

In reality, NLUD and NALSAR and even NUJS are now closer to NLSIU in terms of score than last year. The gap between ranks 1 and 2 used to be 6.41 last year, this time it is 6.35. If the completely opaque and controversial perception score parameter is removed, then it will reduce even further.

They're coming to my university for recruitment. Is it worth applying? So far I've heard bad things about their work environment in transaction teams. But I don't have many options right now. What are the prospects of switching to a tier-one firm after working there? Need serious answers, if you intend to troll them better not bother wasting your time by replying.

You all are trying to drive the narrative relentlessly about it being Sudhir v. lazy students. While choosing to deliberately ignore the fact that the demands are also about his bad administrative decisions, including high handed behaviour that have got nothing to do with academics. Increased batch size, less funding for activities, scholarships, introduction of random new courses and diverting resources towards those, non cooperation with placement and so on. It's clear that he's out his own chamchas at work to hijack the thread.

youre not consumers. University doesnt exist to give you advantages on a platter. It exists to educate and it exists to ensure there are rigorous academic standards for students and researchers. If you can point to an exam that had unfair questions or a professor who didnt teach- then you can make the argument that the university is not doing its part. But if none of that is happening- if your kids are just failing because they didnt bother studying- no university or professor will take responsibility for that.

Which question in which test was unfair or out of syllabus ? which professor didnt do their job in teaching their students? If thats happening im more than happy to hear it and stand with you to ask for redress and accountability. If thats happening- your raja beta has to own his failure instead of blaming the system.

its not facist to think the sober experienced tested adult professional might know what theyre doing rather than hysterical teenagers who whinge about their mental health and demand ridiculous things and want to be babied. How has sudhir harmed you exactly? what is harm to you? Is it just deadlines and no cheating? is that really harm? what is the university for?

Even 2025 hirings are not fully finished. Please focus on learning first, not every single internship can and would be convertible into a PPO. Most firms will NOT consider you as a viable candidate even in your 4th or 5th year unless you have a high-level contact, happen to be lucky to work in a team with a high attrition, or are exceptionally competent.

I hope you are focused! though doesn't seem like that. It appears more so that you are a disgruntled person who barely studied anything in the past four years and now are busy yapping about your enjoyed laziness. Get a life dude!

More so, kindly stop refraining from passing or revealing personal correspondences of your batchmates. That topper's fate would depend upon her performance in the interview. However, for now, you introspect your own performance bro. ▮▮▮

We are honoured and proud to be ranked #1 in the NIRF Rankings 2024 and maintaining a 7-year streak! On August 12, 2024, the Minister for Education, Shri. Dharmendra Pradhan, released the National Institutional Ranking Framework results for 2024 in New Delhi. Dr. Saurabh Bhattacharjee, Associate Professor of Law and Dean-Academics, received the honour on behalf of the University.

Reflecting on the NIRF rankings, NLSIU Vice-Chancellor, Prof. (Dr.) Sudhir Krishnaswamy said: “While remaining a centre of national academic excellence we are committed to developing stronger partnerships with the court systems, the legal profession and the Union and State Governments of India to collaboratively deliver transformative and effective legal system reform.

We are engaged in a comprehensive review of the 5-Year BA LLB (Hons) curriculum in consultation with our Governing bodies. We plan to launch this renewed curriculum in AY 2025-26, and to develop high quality and accessible learning materials in collaborations with law universities and colleges to anchor the next generation of Indian legal education reform.

The NIRF Rankings give us the confidence to dedicate ourselves to these critical national goals.”

https://www.nls.ac.in/news-events/a-seven-year-streak-nlsiu-ranked-1-law-university-in-nirf-rankings-2024/

I'm sorry youre overwhelmed and emotionally fragile. There is a steep learning curve coming from school to university education. But it is doable. I know because people before you have done it and done it well. It wont do to expect standards to be lowered because "youre not machines". No one thinks youre machines- its just that people who have gone through the education system might have a better sense of what is doable and what is not. Take a breath- consider that no one is assigning work to first years that they dont think first years can do. Step away from social media. Clean your room, make a schedule, and stick to it.

If you do have chronic conditions there is a disability office that accomodates it the best they can- if it is entirely debilitating you should consider dropping out for a term- sorting it out- and coming back when youre ready to do university.

Nobody at NLS is setting assignments or term papers that are due within 6 days. Literally you know what rough deadlines are at the start of term because you see it in the course outline. If you only give yourself 6 days to do something- thats bad planning on your part. thats fine. but that is something you will have to try to get better at.

No. Sorry. There is a wide gulf between whats expected from school children and law school students. The learning curve is steep but it is doable. But not if you come into it with entitlement and expectation that you will be catered to and standards will be lowered like they are in the schooling system.

Getting a law degree isnt supposed to be as easy as getting your board certificates- theres a reason the board exams are easier every year and more and more kids get great marks every year- its not because theyre all geniuses- its because governments have an incentive to produce more high school graduates.

Clat isnt really a serious exam. Everyone who has spent any amount of time in law school can tell you that bragging about your clat score is cringy like bragging about your IQ or how much money your dad has. Its an entrance test and it tests for aptitude at a very basic level- but lets not go ahead and assume that doing well at clat automatically means youre a faultless perfect student/ law genius who doesnt need to apply himself.

By all means. Networking and getting yourself known is an important part of succeeding in the profession.

Even better is if you listen to an argument or speech given by one of these lawyers and then say something to them based on it. Shows engagement rather than just random saying hi.

how do you improve infra without money? paisa ped pe ugega kya? Only once you get fees can you improve infra. Yall dont know anything about how universities are build. You think Sudhir had good infra when NLS started? there was barely a building. He didnt complain because he was a consumer though- he started working to improve the institution. Shift your perspective.

There is a world of difference between school and university education. Most of the failure in first year comesfrom the inability of students (who are often quite young and lack guidance) to comprehend this difference.

Firts year students are often carried away by the freedom they have while liveinng on their own. They forget that discipline is also needed to be able to work in such circumstances. In school your parents and teachers would pull you up when you were slacking. In no university anywhere will anyone do that for you.

I generally use Zotero and Juris-M for my footnoting and Bibliography needs, however recently I came across a unique situation where the citation style required was ILI (Indian Law Institute), this was not available, in the CSL (Citation Style Language) Repository from where these software take up the style.

I have taken upon myself to contribute to the CSL database, various Indian legal citation styles. I'm currently looking out for which Legal Institutes and Organisations in India have come up with a citation styles. I can find out NLS, NUJS and ILI from here - https://www.legallyindia.com/views/entry/uniform-citation-standards-in-india

If you guys have any other styles, and could link the original styles sheets of these citation standards, would be really helpful. It is going to be a long project, lots of trial and error, but I do hope to finish it within 6 months, hoping for a positive response from you guys.

I am currently in a small mumbai based law firm, and I don't quite like it here. I would like to move to a better firm (better means salary bump, plus high quality work). How do I go ahead from here? Would a direct jump to a T1 make sense? Or do I take the slow route going to marginally better firms and ending up in a T1, albeit with a delay?

Kunal Shah’s real estate team was literally the best when Ruchit P was around. Bunch of guys left with him. Don’t know what the scene is now. Hear he only has one counsel and one associate left in the team to pull the weight- presume they are hiring. Worth a shot. #The extended arm can be avoided altogether ting ting.

Sadaf Shaikh is a newly made real estate Partner in Mumbai; sweet and good to work with, her team is happy with her. Haven’t heard anything negative so far,,

Overall the culture in both teams seems ok. Work hours can be taxing sometimes (as is the case with every tier I)

Lexygen has the best competition practice in Bangalore.

M&A, depends on the partner and clients they’ve got. Trilegal, SAM and Induslaw come to mind first. You’re better off looking at boutiques like Aarambh Legal, MD&T Partners, Mundkur Law Partners or GameChangers.

Please. Its just not true that students are working hard in a disciplined way and still failing to get reasonable accomodations. If your illness is debilitating you should either be hospitalised or take a term off and get well and come back to university ready to attack. Its a university its not a hospital.

I dont think NLS students are machines. I think nls students are just as capable as students at the best universities in the world and they can handle the work load that you lot are asked to handle. They do more than you lot do. Are they not human? what is this learned helplessness and constantly describing oneself as incapable and unwell? If youre having a mental breakdown over having to submit first year projects- you should reconsider law school.

Yes. Be like Rahul Bajaj (who unashamedly criticized Nagpur Uni in his own name to the media for years both before and after getting the Rhodes), like Shai Davidai, like the students at some of the UK unis who were critical of their institutions publicly, in their own name, unapologetically, on LinkedIn, tagging their unis' LinkedIn/Twitter/socials and VCs in their critical posts about the unis and their immature and childish responses to industrial action (strikes and Action Short of a Strike (ASOS)) by professors. Win the Rhodes, get into the Harvard/Yale/Stanford JD, get a TC and achieve an equity partnership at Kirkland and/or become a King's Council in England (any combination of one or more of these or other meaningful achievements is fine), then criticize the place all you want in a non-anonymous forum. In other words, establish some credibility and develop some balls.

You want to continue being addicted to the drug that is anonymous trolling and bitching and displaying of the basest ingratitude for an opportunity which thousands would cut off their right hands up to the shoulder for (spending five years at the country's best law school) on Legally India, that's your affair, not mine; after all, this is a free country, you (and I) are free agents and we all have a constitutional right to free speech as Indians. Just know this: Indians you may be; lawyers you may be; Law Schoolites you may be: but as Hasan Minhaj said about anti-affirmative action Asian lobby groups who protested that they wanted to be treated like all Americans, "You just happen to be the worst kind" of people in all the above categories.

lol. what nonsense no? of course he is- there proper review process to weed out scam courses. Theres better teachers, theres stricter marking, theres more work thats expected from students and plagiarism and such is actually taken somewhat seriously. Of course hes doing a lot to improve educational standards.

literally the comment i was responding to was fantasizing about how people with more power would be able to bully sudhir out. you cant keep changing your tune. Own your shit.

Its not equity or reason to give out free grades, free attendance, impose no rigour and basically put academics last in a university setting. I dont think sudhir is the one with the ego or the superiority complex.