It’s really hard to isolate a cause for suicide. For the most part it’s some combination of opportunity and Ill health. What can be done is for people who are in trouble to seek out cognitive behavioural therapists that will help them manage negative thoughts and consider all the good things life has to offer.

Absolutely no one for any reason should kill themselves for any thing that happens at university. No college drama is worth that at all. In my university batch there were people who didn’t graduate, women who went through sexual assault, people who took so many mind altering substances they were barely holding on, people who faced bullying, ostracisation, degradation and humiliation, people who came from messed up families- all of it. One of our batchmates died in an accident and that messed up his friends a fair bit. But not one of us committed suicide. And guess what? - years later, college is over, and all of that stuff just seems so petty. So unbelievably insignificant. These people are now doing well in their careers and most have a spouse and kids. It would have been silly and terribly short sighted to commit suicide then and not stick around for everything good that life has to offer.

We can find all sorts of things to blame it on. Drug culture , academic rigor , lack of academic rigor, love failure , career uncertainty, lost a job, failed too many subjects , assault or violence, whatever. Many of those things will not change. It’s really hard to change culture. It’s really hard to create a world where no one considers suicide. It’s far easier to identify people at risk and for those people to do some CBT so they can avoid harming themselves.

Can you find a state NLU that is NOT toxic?

- Suicides in NLUD

- VC intruding into girls' hostel in RGNUL

- Gujarat HC issue with GNLU

- Sexual misconduct in NLS
- Politics, and dress code issues in WBNUJS

- Ragging and bullying are common

- Irregular faculty salaries in MNLU-N

- Admin apathy, no funding, corruption, entitled students, creaking infrastructure in all NLUs

The list goes on. In fact on this platform, the dire situation is underplayed and many posts are not published or marked trollish.

GNLU (like all NLUs) is a state university. This is the best you can get. Thank your stars because Gujarat as a state is doing OK economically. Imagine the plight of students studying in poor states like UP (Pragraj and Lucknow), Bihar (Patna), Chattisgarh (Raipur), Odisha (Cuttack), Rajasthan (Jodhpur), Jharkhand (Ranchi), Assam (Guwahati) and MP (Jabalpur).

I get how you feel; I am a fellow first-year only. But the thing that you need to understand is that this is just your first sem. Give the place some time. It will surely surprise you in a good way. As for the freshers and garba thing, even our seniors had their freshers cancelled, ig it was the third or the fourth year. And politics in student bodies is pervasive, so the possibility of the Garba not being as big an event should only bother you if you are in SAC because then it's your lookout. Otherwise, you are here to study; freshers and Garba should not affect you as much as they are. Online bullying is happening for the first time in the uni; it is because of our batch. We need to tackle that batchmate independently with the admin's support. The hygiene and sanitation issues are genuine and need to be looked into by the admin; we need a more significant voice (which the admin will hear) with some real solutions. Sending us home cannot be a solution.

Seriously? You chose to use the phrase "general reasons"? Just say it out loud: this generation is going through a full-blown mental health crisis! As John Oliver said about COVID-19 in the context of the economy, the textbook (or textbook strategies) just didn't apply and went out of the window, and the only textbook that applied should say "Oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck!". Maybe start by educating yourself and by taking a breath and acknowledging that John Oliver's dictum covers this situation precisely?

To answer your specific question, of course university makes the mental health of people whose situation is already difficult worse! What did you expect? Peer pressure and a cutthroat environment where people care exclusively about themselves, young people (many of whom are appallingly unprepared for university life) suddenly being treated as full-grown adults, a shocking lack of qualified mental health professionals, admins who don't give a shit about students but only about keeping their jobs, currying favour with the right people (read: oiling politicians' backsides) and lining their pockets, a society as judgemental (if not more) than England (once again, see Oliver joking about the levels of scrutiny that the lives of even minor functionaries within the royal family are subjected to)? The mixture is lethal!

I am a fresher with a 6-7 months study gap for llm. I wish to get a job in ip law specifically as i wish to do llm in it. Kindly suggest firms or independent lawyers in such domains who may have structured timings so i can focus on academics as well. Delhi-NCR region. If you know the remuneration,mention that too.

Sorry, while the university should definitely listen to the students' problems, provide counseling, talk to the parents etc., making people pass when they are clearly not up to the standard by holding multiple examinations every year is simply not the solution. I'm entitled to get marks because otherwise I'll harm myself is a very dark and undesirable way of putting things across. If someone is failing, then they need help to do better, not simply an undeserved promotion.

I have an interview at Trilegal coming up. This would be my first ever internship interview from a Tier 1. Please tell me what to prepare. Is interview merely a formality or do they reject as well? Background: I am from a Non-NLU LLB with an average CV. Applied through the portal and kept on following up with the HR.

Compulsory counselling? Do you even know what you are talking about, or what the term 'counselling' means? Or what the implications of a policy making engaging with such a process mandatory are? Please educate yourself before randomly making suggestions.

Advocate all you like for universities to have more qualified, empathetic, counselling staff - that I 1000000000% support, but please don't advocate for mandatory engagement with counselling. There are people for whom engagement with what is purported to be a process of counselling has caused great difficulties and done more harm than good.

Hello, I'm preparing for the MHT-CET and would greatly appreciate any tips or guidance you could offer. Could you please share the most effective study strategies, important topics to focus on, and resources that would help me excel in the exam? Additionally, any advice on managing time during the preparation phase and the actual exam would be very helpful. Thank you!

Muktsar (AIR 1 NEET 2017), MBA student at IP University, an IIT G student, students of various NLUs–the recent case being of a first year student at NLU D–all committed suicide in a span of less than two weeks. This is shocking and tragic. What could be the reason for college students committing suicide? Of course there are general reasons like depression due to family issues, etc etc but is there a way college is actually exacerbating the already bad mental situation of college students? What could colleges change to bring this growing number of suicides down significantly?

The universities are situated within societies that bring with them all the issues affecting communities and their residents. The NCRB report states that there are 26 cases of student suicides every day, which means one student takes their life every hour. This is tragic. It's disheartening to hear that a first-year student, who had barely spent a month at the university, felt compelled to take such drastic action. This situation speaks volumes about families and parenting in general and is part of a larger problem. In law schools, academics are smooth, with hardly anyone failing. On the other hand, failure rates are higher in traditional colleges, where such instances are rarely seen. The students in TLC have better resilience and coping mechanisms.

Very well put. Fully agree.

Moots teach you how to research, how to frame a problem statement, how to draft your arguments, how to look for and cite sources, how to apply the law to facts, how to read, interpret and rely upon / distinguish case laws, how to present your submissions, both verbally and in written form, and most importantly (if you’re speaking) how to articulate legal arguments. It definitely helps.

Experience gained from mooting gives you an insight into certain practical aspects of the job, whatever that may ultimately be - not everything you learn will help you in a corporate law firm job, and actual litigation work / appearing in courts is nothing like mooting - but it’s a valuable experience nonetheless and I’m thankful everyday that I mooted in law school.

1) Supreme court- 3 lakhs per appearance (notice issue)

2) Supreme Court- 6 lakhs per appearance (final hearing)

3) Delhi High court (notice issue plus stay)-3,00,000

4) Delhi High Court (final hearing) - 5,00,000

5) Outstation High Courts- 4,00,000 (notice issue)

6) Outstation HC - 7,00,000 (final hearing)

7) Tribunal - CESTAT Delhi- 5,00,000

8) Outstation CESTAT bench- 7,00,000

9) APTEL

Appearance- 3,00,000 (notice issue plus IA hearings)

10) APTEL Appearance -5,00,000 (final hearings)

11) Additional conference - Rs 50,000

12) Settling petitions (appeal/writ/ SLP) - Rs 2,00,000

13) Written Opinion -5,00,000 (could go up depending on complexity)

14) Oral opinion- 3,00,000

15) Appearance before Departmental authority - same as that before the CESTAT ( in Delhi / outstation as the case may be)

16) Appearance before CERC- 3,00,000 (notice issue and IA hearings)/ 5,00,000 (final hearing)

17) Appearance before State Commissions- 4,00,000 (notice issue and IA hearings)/ 7,00,000 (final hearing)

Clerkage 15% plus OPE

See, let me speak frankly - this is not the time to speculate or spread rumours. People are not well here on campus (NLUD) because of 4 student deaths in the last four months (1 accident and 3 suicides). Everyone is shaken. People who would never even think about taking such a step are now having these thoughts over and over again (because they have heard so many repeated instances in such a short span of time).

There have been no protests against the administration even after 3 students have committed suicide in last 3 months. Students are just not well to even do that. Everyone is devastated.

While the administration had created an environment that forced the first two students to commit suicide (because of academic reasons i.e. detention or year repeat) the third (most recent) incident is entirely because of the student's personal reasons back his home. He joined just 2 months back and wasn't suffering academically. It was because of purely personal family reasons and therefore I would request you all to please stop spreading rumours about the latest incident.

As far as the first suicide is concerned, most of you have not heard anything about it because the university, despite student demand, never acknowledged the incident. He committed suicide because the university was forcing him to repeat the year twice or thrice.

The second suicide happened because of the same reason. She was detained and forced to repeat the year.

And just to tell you all, around 10 more people were asked to repeat the year who were all considering taking harsh steps. We begged the vice chancellor to use his extraordinary powers and hold special repeat examinations so that these students are not forced to repeat a year. But the VC did not agree. We told him that they are suicidal and consequences would be harsh but still the VC did not paid any attention.

It took the two suicides for the admin to take the issue seriously and bring a no-detention policy in the university by which all students can clear their backlogs before they are awarded their degree & thus no one would be detained in a year.

The latest suicide is not because of any failure of administration but the first and second ones most definitely are because of the inactions of the administration.

The student culture is also at fault because everyone is so busy in themselves, their internships, their moots, their publications, that nobody pays attention to the ones who are not able to cope with such challenges. Had we been more proactive in helping students who suffer academically and not just our elite friend circles, the first two suicides could have been prevented, which could have in turn prevent the third suicide.

I am disappointed and heartbroken looking at the student dynamics here. People have their own eco chambers and only a handful of people somehow occupy the self-righteous positions of narrative/agenda setting in the college. These folks work in the comfort of their elite woke friend circles and make all others isolated and ostracized. Difference of opinion is one thing that they ostracize people on. Further, nobody gives two f*cks about people from marginalized tier 2, tier 3 city students who may not have had equal access to such activities that have been portrayed as cool in the university.

Hopeless.

Hi everyone, I am planning on moving to Dubai by the end of this year/early next year.

I would love to get insights from those lawyers who have made this move and what sites would be best to use for the job search.

I would also love to hear any other insights!

Thank you.

Can we please stop these BS comments by self-appointed moral guardians and commies shaming students who can afford flights as “privileged”? In the West, it is a very normal, middle class thing to take a flight. It is actually cheaper than a train in many European countries. In India, it’s more expensive because of taxes, but is still worth paying for instead of taking filthy, slow, overcrowded and unsafe trains.

Another thing is the tendency by Gen Y to shame Gen Z. As India progresses, each generation will naturally get more prosperous. As Gen Y become parents and give birth to Gen Beta, their kids will be even more “privileged”.

High time to end the preachy class/caste comments here by wannabe Marxists who most likely are (or will soon be) working for CAM, advising Adani and buying luxury watches.

Rant over.

Looking at the surge of unrest and suicide in law schools, law students and alumni may suggest some solutions:

1. Law schools have counsellors already. All universities have -counselling also available.

2. BCI and UGC define curriculum, attendance and teaching hour needs.

3. Co-curricular activities exist in all places.

4. Places like Jindal or NLU D have the most liberal hostel hours.

5. Teachers and admin cannot really stop students making their rights based groups. These are to be moderated by student council largely.

Look forward to suggestions which may help students to place before all universities for a good policy. We must also note, not all law schools have the requisite funding. So what can they do then?

All the people out there kindly understand that this is not a single issue that sparked protests there have been a myriad of misogynistic comments by the vc and his paternalistic attitude. Please refer to this - https://m.thewire.in/article/rights/protests-erupt-at-rgnul-over-vcs-alleged-misconduct-students-demand-resignation

I have an interest in both of these practice areas and want to compare which I should get into. I'm BO 2025 and have done internships for both types of teams.

Can someone suggest the best law firms (teams) to work with in Bangalore for TMT and for M&A/PE/VC work and also talk about the A0 pay, culture and the type of work these teams are doing?

That would be super helpful, thanks!!

I'm an RGNUL student and this will get buried in downvotes, but who cares. The girls hostel is mostly normal except for a very tight group of girls in the senior batches who've set up a den of vice and force freshers to imbibe at a high cost, failing which they risk ostracization and collective shaming. Do I endorse male authorities visiting without due protocol? No. Should the VC resign for following up on repeated complaints from other female students? Also no.

To all the litigants at the Bom HC out there. Would love to hear thoughts on the proposed new complex at BKC. I am genuinely curious how this entire ecosystem of offices, chambers, stationery shops, etc. is going to shift from Kala Ghoda to BKC. Not to mention that BKC is anyways supremely congested - imagine adding all of this to the existing chaos

Lack of listening skills
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Leadership is about listening to your people. If someone vying for a leadership position is only interested in their own ideas, I think it’s safe to say they’re not ready to take charge. So much about being a good leader, I think, involves humility: Do you actively listen to your team? Do you actually let them talk instead of interrupting them? Do you take their ideas and feedback seriously? Do you hire people who are good at what they do and then trust them to do the job (ideally, better than you could)? There is no place for ego at the top—it’s lonely enough up there already.

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Rejecting feedback
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If someone is unwilling to solicit and embrace constructive feedback, then that person is not ready to lead others. One of the most important jobs of a leader is to enable the team to deliver the best possible outcomes by creating a culture of trust and collaboration. Many people attribute the success of NASA’s first landing on the moon to a mission-first attitude—teams that feel safe to openly discuss issues, regardless of organizational politics or roles, are better able to identify and fix minor problems before they become major ones. It takes humility to admit that you don’t have all the answers but that dedication to outcomes over ego is essential to complex problem-solving. It’s incredibly difficult to innovate or lead successfully without it.

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Know-it-all
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Early in my career at the Brooklyn DA’s office, I heard from the head of homicide, a figure I deeply admired. This was my dream job, the type of case I aspired to prosecute. However, as I listened to this individual speak, I realized they were a “know-it-all.” They exuded an air of absolute authority, convinced they knew everything about everything.

At that moment, I understood this wasn’t true expertise but a facade. No one knows everything. This type of inflated ego, believing in one’s infallibility, doesn’t belong in leadership. It stifles growth, prevents collaboration, and ultimately hinders the leader’s and team’s success.

A “know-it-all” leader, blinded by their perceived omniscience, fails to recognize their limitations. This lack of self-awareness is detrimental to both the leader and their team. A leader who believes they possess all the answers stifles growth and innovation. They are unwilling to seek input from others, missing out on valuable perspectives and expertise.

Effective leadership requires a willingness to learn and adapt. A humble leader understands that they don’t have all the answers and surrounds themselves with a capable team. They foster an environment where diverse viewpoints are welcomed and collaboration is encouraged. This approach allows the team to leverage each member’s strengths, leading to greater success than any individual could achieve alone.

By recognizing and embracing their own limitations, leaders open the door to personal and collective growth. They create a culture of learning where everyone feels empowered to contribute their unique skills and knowledge.

One person ? Care to look into the last year of things across all NLUs. Forgot Gujarat HC ? Or Delhi depression ? Or Bangalore protests ? Or Kolkata politics ? These are few to name, but all top ones. Let's face it, every NLU has faced to live upto it's anti-ragging, bullying & SA name. They can't practice what they preach to the society. Need to stop giving these entitled state universities importance.

Not sure how far this is true, but I heard that apparently KCo has changed its policy? Looks like they’ll be handing out PPO interviews on a relative basis around February after considering all the interns of the year. Not sure if this already existed, but I’d heard previously that you’d get an interview based solely on your performance and not in comparison to any other intern.

Academic standards were diluted along with campus discipline when he was here at NALSAR. Soon, you will see students passing with close to zero attendance percentage (the same happened at NALSAR). He calls this the freedom model. NALSAR remained unaffected because of alumni. But I dont't know about CNLU.

Hi, I am shifting to a new firm, and spent merely 7 months at my older firm. I have an interview lined up soon, I just want to understand as to how to negotiate a better or comparable salary.

At the place I am currently, I am paid well but the environment is not sustainable in the long term. However, the new place pays around 40K less than the current place. How do i ask them to match up? Please advise (I am afraid they won’t consider me if I put it outrightly)

Though things stated are precisely what is the case but in addition to administrative failure, the level of students and academic spirit has also hit an all time low. Every subsequent batch is worse than its predecessor. There are things, increasingly happening around me, which often makes me cringe out but I don't see a point of feeling regret. I just swiftly have dragged myself out of most of the politics, committees and events all which I find pointless at this point. The main issue, at the core, is that there are people who've been given weightage, who ideally shouldn't have been. When you let people whose brains are half eaten by zombies get into collective decision making, you get what exactly is happening in CNLU right now.

I am shocked to see not a single junior showing me quality at what is supposed to be their main job. I don't see anyone being able to sit on their laptops for hours even if the deadline's literally the next day. Things are might appear stale on the outside, but inside its now rotten to the core.