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b) law schools cannot provide jobs for all those who want, it depends immensely on the chutzpah of the candidate. Even then there so many factors that only about a quarter of all applicants get a job in a law firm.
c) if you want a job or a modicum of chance of a job after a degree, you may consider doing an MBA, I know this is an often mocked suggestion, but it is possible to get a job at 30k pm at a bank after mba which is not possible after llb. So, if it is the first job that you are after and you do not want to stay in law then MBA is the only option.
d) if you want to stay in law then doing llm is not going to add any employability value. It would be better if you just be a junior under a decent senior (decent does not mean that thay will pay you, decent means they will not abuse you and give you a chance to fill out vakalatnama once in a while), stay with them for one year gain experience and then strike it out alone.
TIA
- Will you become obsessed with money and high living?
- Will you become politically right-wing?
- Will you become like the same boomers that you despise?
It’s not some great gotcha to say womens games in some sports are more boring- they are- I’ve admitted they are. Mens games are boring too. That’s just aesthetics and personal choice . My whole argument is about what is valued enough to put money into and why, and who is thought of as a possible sports fan and why. And how we think of sports or female bodies generally.
Would you rather watch male volleyball/ gymnastics/ synchronised swimming or the womens game ?
Please also give which firms to avoid.
Forums like legally india are the only options for students without personal contacts, so do kindly pitch in thanks.
My usage of this site has gone down by 90% lately and I'm sure majority of the use base now left is all students who only care about my nlu vs your nlu.
Studying all that law for this??
Also do you even know why NLSIU was founded? It wasn't founded so that people will get educated here and go to uk to become a barrister or teach at foreign unis. It was founded so that our society will get great advocates, law professors and other people who'll serve the society. Going by the list, NLSIU has failed terribly. None of those toppers served the Indian society, although all of them were able to fill their pockets though.
Sudhir after implementing unconstitutional 25% domicile quota shouldn't be seen as some legal lengend. He's another stooge afterall. Surely it seems you're not practising advocate either, must be paper pusher at some lala firm.
I am a 2021 graduate from a private law university in India, currently working as a Research Fellow an at an NLU. I had initially wanted to join academia, which is why I did not sit for campus placements and undertook an LLM (from an NLU in India), with plans of going for a foreign LLM and PhD later on.
I have decent grades, and about two years of experience in research and academia. However, I have grown increasingly disillusioned with academia. Not only is the pay low, but it is full of politics and sycophants, and there is a strange preference for foreign LLMs. Getting into regular teaching positions without a PhD sounds highly unlikely in the foreseeable future, and I do not plan to do a PhD yet, since I have financial issues.
I want to switch to law firm practice, and wanted some practical tips on things to look out for, and how I can get my foot through the door. I come from a family of idealistic government servants, so the corporate world hadn't appealed to me much earlier. Have I spoiled my chances of getting into law firms altogether due to this (planned) detour? What skills can I show to be a good lateral hire?
Thanks in advance, and I would like to her especially from those who have switched to law firms with a significant gap.
And It seems to be a successful one. Students there are smart though. The people are getting admissions after qualifying regerious rounds of interviews, conducting by HC Judges.
DY - is the one who did nothing, just passed statements. Thats all he did. He just collect the list of flaws, and spat it out.
Specialization is valuable, but staying informed about topics connected to your practice area is essential; even a quick read can help. While areas like criminal law and constitutional law may not intersect with my work, allied practice areas do.
Theory can sometimes seem dull, but in practice, it often reveals useful similarities with the area you want to work in, giving you an edge. Once you start working in a law firm, you won’t have much time to study areas you haven’t yet explored, and if your work overlaps with those topics, not knowing them can create issues.
I hope this helps and all the best!
no biggie, just the partners daily screaming at you, totally worth the 80k and your mental/physical health, don't spread misinformation saying it's a bad place to work haha.
You're insane.
Source - Been there
Secondly, there exist firms which will teach you without humiliating and ridiculing you. No doubt these guys too will teach you the trade but at what cost, do make note of that and decide accordingly.
Pay scale
Work culture
While the partners tend to scream, I dare you to name a firm where this isnt an issue. On the other hand, BLC is a new firm that has yet to prove its track record. Samvad is a known commodity.
Only option available is LLM
There's no concept like work experience based PhD in law.
I've been working in a chamber since 2012
More 8 years to go
www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/topper-to-work-among-grassroots-back-home/article7597966.ece
There are multiple others. You wanted a single example so here it is.
Of the top of my head I can only name only AZB, B&P, AMSS
At any rate, post-Diwali only, but regardless, bumping this for any updates.
The team doesn’t love each other. It’s hard to do with this kind of work load. ▮▮▮. Not the healthiest environment. Another PA is leaving. One of the PAs is lovely. ▮▮▮ The also tend to cut the PQE of lateral hires more than other teams at CAM. This is unfair and insane since this isn’t the best team to be in and they always want people.
Out of the partners, VP seems the most normal. Quality of work is decent. Good exposure in terms of clients. But genuinely the loveliest person in the team is Sarita Khatana. She’s the team EA. She’s a gem of a person.
Any law school that does not have an attendance policy is breaching BCI regulations.
NLUD Students still will be debarred for low attendance. Maybe some relaxation this semester but not in future. Marksheets will show the student is giving repeat. And there are other caveats as well.
Also AILET is to be cleared to get admission. Forms are open now to give AILET exam.
Go on time, be diligent at work, and then apply for a second internship. If they liked you the first time, you will be confirmed for the second internship and ultimately PPO subject to hiring requirements.
Please create a reddit thread, tweet or anything
However, the "corporate paper pushers" part, at least from the list provided in another comment, not so much. Yes, some of them have obtained TCs in London firms, but not all that many, which is all to the good, I would have thought.
In the list in the previous comment, the names of three people who are barristers (or pupil barristers) working in England have been provided, so going with the a priori assumption that that list is a representative sample, the part of your hypothesis about courtroom advocacy being not so popular a career choice also falls out the window, especially as there are probably more like that. If you think about it, becoming a barrister in England is a process which gives lots more appreciation and scope to people with strong intellectual ability (like NLSIU toppers) - this ('intellectual ability') is in fact a criteria that pupillage committees in chambers in England and Wales often insert into pupillage adverts. Going into litigation in India has historically been seen in India as the easy softball choice for people finding placement hard. As Sudhir Krishnaswamy, the current NLSIU VC, points out correctly, the difference between the Indian legal profession's structure and let us say that of England is that ours has a reasonably wide entry gateway and sorting your career out after entry is more of a problem than gaining entry, while their gateway for entry is very tight, and your career is likely to be more stable once entry has been achieved because the tightness of the gateway itself is seen as a way of earning your stripes to a certain extent. Therefore, what do you think people would have found historically attractive when it came to making a choice between those setups? I think there is hope for positive change (for India) on this score, considering the western direction of travel in terms of tightening immigration restrictions etc (I suppose many might find the combination of a tight entry pathway into a foreign legal profession + a hostile immigration system a bit too daunting for their tastes).
As for "serving the country", what about Sudhir? Hasn't he served his country by coming back? Khaitan by being on the editorial board of the Indian Law Review and setting up the Junior Faculty Forum for Indian Law Teachers (JFF-ILT)? All these guys who went overseas, by showing abroad that NLSIU is, should be and deserves to be the sort of law school whose name, when heard or seen, is one that causes people to sit up and take notice?
1. Tarunab Khaitan: Superb guy, have spoken to him just recently. Went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Completed BCL, MPhil and DPhil (PhD at other unis) at Oxford, after which taught at NYU, Melbourne etc., before returning to Oxford again for a number of years as the Professor of Public Law and Legal Theory. Now the Chair in Public Law at LSE (previous holders of this post have included Carol Harlow, Martin Loughlin and Thomas Poole).
2. Harish Narasappa (founder of Samvad Partners): He was a few years before T. Khaitan's time. Completed BCL in Oxford, after which he worked as a solicitor in England for a few years at HSF, before returning to India and setting up Samvad.
3. Sudhir Krishnaswamy: The goat. Also a Rhodes alum, did BCL and DPhil in Oxford. Taught, among other places, at Buckingham, Oxford itself, Columbia, Nujs and APU, before returning to NLSIU as VC to rescue it from decline because of mismanagement.
4. Dev Gangjee: Again, Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, Prof. of Intellectual Property there now. Taught at LSE as well.
5. Shyamkrishna Balganesh: Rhodes Scholar at Oxford (again!) after graduating from NLSIU, completed BCL and MPhil there. Went to the U.S. after that and did an American Qualifying Law Degree (the J.D.) at Yale (completion of his J.D. in 2007 establishes proof, if proof were needed, of NLSIU being the trend creator of some rare excellent NLU students doing J.D. degrees in the U.S. as well), before teaching at University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School; he left there some time back, and is now Sol Goldman Professor of Law at Columbia.
6. Lavanya Rajamani: LLM at Yale, BCL and DPhil from oxford (where she teaches now as well!). Formally taught at Cambridge also.
7. Sandeep Gopalan: Currently at University of Maryland Eastern Shore (think he was Rhodes as well). BCL and DPhil from Oxford. Has taught at Deakin and Newcastle (Australia) and National University of Ireland Maynooth.
8. There is a guy called Krishnaprasad (forgot his last name). He is a barrister in England at One Essex Court. He got pupillage (a difficult thing to do even for the best graduates from top UK law schools) after completing BCL, MPhil and DPhil at Oxford, and teaching at Oxford during his DPhil.
9. Ayushi Agarwal: Read for the BCL in Oxford as a Weidenfeld-Hoffmann Scholar, seems to have almost completed DPhil there as well funded by Oxford Law Faculty and JN Tata scholarships. Recently was called to the bar of England and Wales by Inner Temple and will be starting her pupillage at 8 New Square Chambers.
10. Aradhya Sethia: LLM from Yale, MPhil from Oxford, PhD from Cambridge. Currently pupil barrister (barrister-in-training, undertaking pupillage, basically) at 7 King's Bench Walk.
These are what I can remember from the top of my head. Some academically excellent students got training contracts at prestigious law firms, e.g., Linklaters. Hope this is helpful.