I can't say what Gen Alpha will be like, but one thing's for sure: we are in the final stages of Gen Z culture. Just a few years and Gen Z will completely lose the narrative. That will come as a rude jolt to Gen Z, just as it was to Gen Y when the millennial culture of the 90s and 2000s died.

Hi,

I have a tier 1.5/2 law firm job as of now. My current team, partner and immediate seniors are very supportive and environment is really good. I am getting a lakh a month as a A0 with 4/5 months of experience. Since I am located in delhi, expenses are less as well.

I have a offer from another firm, salary will increase by around 20k per month. However, I will have to go to Bombay, where a lot more expenses will add on alongside with which I know for a fact that the other firm doesn't have much work at the moment and most likely not more work to come.

So, should I go for that job or stay where I am and happy?

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-117-students-of-gnlu-2024-batch-get-placed-highest-salary-almost-20-lakh

Here you go.

Worth really depends it’s super subjective, given there is great money but you also have to see at what cost? I work at one of tier 1’s in Bombay and look to quit for health reasons. I workout 4 times a week and had become pre diabetic and also had fatty liver luckily don’t have those problems anymore but had to work super hard on my health which also came to saying no at times to work and drawing a boundary between work and Health. This came with its own consequences of partner and pa being mad at me for not being available after reasonable hours. But for me my health is more important than a tier 1 job. I regret doing law it gave me only stress and hair loss. Planning to pivot doing an mba. 5 years is a lot of time for a law degree be very sure if you want to commit. Cheers!

First-gen practitioners who have set up their own firm or legal tech startups, care to share your journey? Don't mean to shit on us law firm loyalists, but hearing your story would be a refreshing change, and may even be inspiring for some of us.

What were your initial roadblocks? Aspects of your life/ practice that turned out to be net positive or negative (compared to law firm life)? Any specific challenges that you are yet to overcome? Any tips for people considering this path?

Wishing you the best!

Id rather work 12 hours and get paid 20LPA than work 12 hours for 10LPA. T1 is the place to be at. It is a myth that lower tier lower pay = better life and wlb. You can do that only if you're senior enough and have the control to take up less projects; in a avg t2-t3 firm you're probably gonna work the same hours for half the pay

I agree with what this person said.

I am a T-1 associate. I have no clue about hardships faced by our fellows in chambers or low paying jobs. I can only imagine from the stories I've heard - it's gruesome.

T-1 tends to follow professionalism. Ofc, there will be exceptions like azb episode and CAM episode.

I advise everyone to at least work in one T-1 firm for 6 months, if you can. T-1 gives sense of peace that you can easily switch if things don't work out, decent money, facetime with talented and hardworking people, and indepency to afford things / foreign trips and whatnot. If you feel you're getting too much work or the extent of work / toxicity which is not worth the benefits, then leave and do something else.

No one should discount the fact that job at T-1 firms come with such benefits that the alternatives (litigation, llm, mba, chambers, etc.) are rarely able to catch up.

A tier 1 job is still the best place to be in the legal profession. A lot of the negativity on LI is deliberately manufactured to discourage competition. Plus, most of these people have never worked in a boutique or a chamber so they don't know just how bad it is in the lower rungs of the profession. The toxicity is far worse in boutiques and chambers with just a fraction of the pay.

Don't take away the slow mornings, try to get up by 6am and make yourself a good cup of chai/coffee then start your day.

I'm into running so I go for a run around 10pm after office and sometimes when I'm not just feeling it I skip the runs. My goal is to run 50 km per month (which burns around 7000 cal per month which is equivalent to losing a little less than 1kg without following a diet plan). You can also try this

I'm a 4th year average law student and one of my senior who is in his 5th year. I noticed he got PPO in his 5th year as an inhouse counsel. I don't want to sound like needy, I just need some tips and advises as I'm also interested for the same. I have talked with him earlier few times but it was very short and casual. I can not meet him personally as his last semester is completely online. How should I cold message him?

LLMs are money making courses in the USA for every university. They charge a lot, and open as many seats as possible. They have no restrictions on intake. They can always hire a few more adjuncts if they take too many people. It's not difficult to get into even Harvard LLM if you are paying for it. Getting scholarship is a different thing.

Yale might be an exception as of now. Maybe not for long.

The fact that you believe that generational wealth and privileges only mean being born in the family of multi-millionaires goes to show your ignorance of the social realities. The son of even middle class UC parents in this country gets to enjoy multiple advantages when it comes to education and career compared to the children of Dalit families. That's just one example.

Very true. Take England, for example, where the law firms take in a good mix of people in terms of academic talent, but in the good law schools (Oxbridge and some of the London ones) there is a definite trend for the academically superior students to consider other options such as further study (academic), career as a barrister or career in academia.

I left a T1 Lalaji firm in Mumbai and relocated to my hometown Chennai to do advisory work online for a foreign company. I get paid in foreign currency, converted to INR. Overall, my pay is 25% less, but work hours are as much as 70-80% less with lots of flexibility and free time. Plus zero rent as it’s my own home and the costs of living in Chennai generally are less . And one of the things I like is that the company boss and colleagues are very kind and understanding.

How was it in my law firm? Better not to say, LOL.

Even if they did, they shouldn't have. Marking standards in most Indian law schools - and yes, includes NLUs - with the remarkable, prominent and obvious exception of NLSIU, are crap as it is. What do you want: law firms to take the crap of the crap rather than the best of the crap?

What's your batch rank looking like homie? I'm one of the people who cracked it without prep. I've a pretty good rank in everything - exams, intras, you name it. Is your superiority limited to the entrance exam? Or are you actually doing anything significant otherwise? Maybe you're the one who needs humbling.

It seems you are ignorant of reality that's why you are asking this question. Law firm job requires more than just mugging up and vomit in the exam. Real world lawyers require argumentative skill, research skill and communication. Many law schools don't test these skills through their examination. It matters for the hiring of A0, but doesn't completely close your doors in case you are a fresher. You can try through PPO route and emphasise upon learning all the above mentioned skill. Then your prospect will be increased multiple times. You can check many previous theads on the same.

hi, I am from a T1 school but got a PPO recently from a top paying firm. FYI my batch rank is almost 130/147. Got the internship through sheer following up and highlighting my internship experience in the specific practice area I was interested in. Also cc'd the concerned partner to the application mail. Worked my ass off, got a callback and converted it. i was exactly in your place a few months back as my batchmates were interning with T1 firms and getting PPOs. Feel free to drop a reply, willing to help you through this, I wish I had someone.

The fact that you gave it ages ago speaks volumes on your perception of the exam.Check our the recent papers, the papers are not at all anything to filter anyone out. The paper level has gone down so hard that any tom dick hardy with zero preparation can score good enough in that exam. My point isn't about cribbing that someone was able to score as much as me with less preparation and less hardwork, my point is that the paper has become so easy now there are a lot more people in the same percentile, leaving no reflection upon who can be actually filtered out. The CLAT 2025 paper is being called 5th grade english, you can understand how many people can do that much and what will be quality of the new batches.

Also,you gave CLAT ages ago when what?1000 people gave clat ? Multiply it by almost 100 and that's the no. of people giving clat now. In the same 0.25 marks stands atleast 50 people. And moreover making the paper so easy that anyone with elementary level of English can do it like a breeze,that is adding up to the misery.

You gave CLAT ages ago and things have changed by a huge margin now.The same way I don't have an opinion on the changed syllabus of my nephew's 3rd grade exams,you should also keep it down. The hubris portrayed here is formidable.

We need donkeys to work 20 hours everyday in our sweatshop. I assure you we’re not going to look at grades (post 1 PQE). Grades are just a justification created so that we can reject freshers with bad grades and choose them over the rankers. We don’t give a F bout your grades in Company Law and Investment law. We need majdoors. Hardcore ones who love sweating out

The Calcutta High Court has cleared Prof. (Dr.) Nirmal Kanti Chakraborti, the Vice-Chancellor of the National University of Juridical Sciences (NUJS), Kolkata, of sexual harassment allegations. The court found no credible evidence to support the claims and upheld the Local Complaint Committee’s (LCC) decision to dismiss the complaint, citing the time limitations outlined in the Sexual Harassment of Women at Workplace (Prevention, Prohibition, and Redressal) Act, 2013. The complaint was filed on December 26, 2023 by a faculty member, who accused Prof. Chakrabarti of making inappropriate advances between 2019 and April 2023, allegedly linking professional benefits to personal interactions. The complaint was filed only after the enquiry was initiated by the Executive Council into her on December 21,2023. Under the POSH Act, complaints must be filed within three months of the last alleged incident, with a possible three-month extension in exceptional cases. The complainant, however, failed to justify the substantial delay in bringing forward the case.

The court highlighted that the sexual harassment complaint was filed much later than the statutory deadline. The delay, coupled with the absence of credible evidence, led the LCC to dismiss the case. Further, the complainant’s own communications with the university’s Chancellor did not mention any claims of sexual harassment, casting doubt on the veracity of the allegations. The complainant also failed to present convincing evidence to substantiate the claims. Furthermore, prior to the harassment allegations, the complainant had faced administrative scrutiny for professional lapses, including failure to complete a university project with NFCG and not submitting necessary financial documentation. Additionally, the complainant had undisclosed business ties, being a partner in Effulgent Educators LLP, which raised concerns over a potential conflict of interest when managing a university course. The court also pointed out that key decisions, like withholding promotions, were made by the university’s Executive Council—a panel of respected academics and jurists—not by Prof. Chakrabarti acting alone. This weakened the claim of the Complainant that the Vice-Chancellor had exerted undue influence over administrative matters.

https://hcservices.ecourts.gov.in/ecourtindiaHC/cases/display_pdf.php?filename=bzPoyUlszYLCUcCpirIpqIaDhQxb1%2B6E%2BBOO8QdbgnuSjKc8Psozi%2FUgYgQA74Uo&caseno=FMA/873/2024&cCode=3&appFlag=&cino=WBCHCA0325622024&state_code=16

The guy speaks well WHEN he is talking sense....otherwise most times he just spews his own twisted version of a larger right wing agenda that range from the idiotic to the downright assine (at times). He can scream and shout all he wants but he can NEVER match the genius of RFN.

In the same boat buddy, 3rd Year but Mid tier NLU.

What I've observed is that :

1. The worthiness depends on what you want in life. I know you must be confused between corporate law, litigation, and judiciary, as all of them are entirely different in terms of lifestyle. You need to decide what you truly want at the end of the day.

If you want to settle in big cities and are attracted to the money (which, after deductions, isn’t as significant as it seems), or if you want to contribute to society, it all depends on your aspirations and the background you come from.

2. Yes, it is somewhat difficult to reach the High Court this way, as far as my knowledge is concerned. If you join at the age of 23–24, the chances are that you may end up at the High Court. But becoming a District Judge is almost certain.

3. I’ve just started my preparation. It depends on whether you opt for coaching or self-study. Coaching helps streamline things to some extent, but either way, it usually takes at least a year to prepare thoroughly.

Just a tip:

Don’t base your decision solely on LI posts. Think deeply about what you want in life. Many graduates from Tier-1 NLUs also join the judicial services. For instance, in 2024, a NALSAR alumnus was selected as a Judicial Officer in Haryana. I also know someone from NALSAR who is now a CJM in Haryana. Also there are many toppers from NLUJ in RJS, from NLIU in MPCJ & DJS.

Don’t let your batchmates’ decisions influence you. Instead, focus on your background and what you genuinely want in life.

(This is what I've learned, and my observations from it.)

Yes, true. Britannica was founded in 1768, so it comes with all the right-wing, toxic biases of the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. It’s really in the 21st century that the world has become more civilised and enlightened, with the hegemony of the right being challenged. This makes Wikipedia a better encyclopaedia, because most of the editors were born in the 21st century, like us. Our generation is mostly free from the racist, colonial and patriarchal biases that were present in 20th century people.

At the end of the day it's your calibre that sets your career, not the institution. If you slacked off in your 5 years there, it's your fault. The institution can only give you a tag, the rest is upto you. This is not IIT where placements are the norm. The legal field was never about this placement stuff. So, if you think it's committing career suicide then it's on you, that you failed to utilise your efforts and time. Btw many non-nlus are eminent lawyers and judges. Didn't see them complain about their career suicide due to institution.

“It’s very unfair. When members of a particular institution say that this institution has gone downhill after my exit that I think is too much of a statement to me. And two, some of his statements both on history and especially contentious aspects of history and let’s say his specific points on the Ram Mandir case are as inaccurate as they can get. To say that there were no findings whatsoever from the Supreme Court on the existence of a temple underneath the disputed structure, call it only the disputed structure and nothing else, is false. It’s provably, demonstrably and patently false.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0_IzaC2lpmo&t=1943s&pp=2AGXD5ACAQ%3D%3D

Let me try and reason this out. First, if you are someone who is looking at their phd as a 'stamp', there are two extreme outcomes - the best brands and the regular ones. Now, if your intention is to get a stamp, a pedigree and a symbol you should obviously try for a good university. That also automatically checks many boxes. A good branded university usually will give you exposure, research grants, collaborative exercises like publications etc. It will also (possibly) give you a good guide who will teach you stuff. I have seen people who average publications but reaching great places because of their phd. A lot of top profs at NLS and NALSAR have regular publications in peer-reviewed journals but their phd is from the best univs in the world.

Second, you are looking to genuinely make something out of your phd. This again is subject to multiple permutations and combinations. More often than not your phd applications are strengthened by the fact that you already have some publications. So, I am assuming that you wouldn't need help with publications as such. Here, if you are already publishing, care or scopus, I think the univ won't matter. I know people with decent phd's but better publication record.

Third, if you don't already have publications and want your phd to do things for it. I don't think it will work this way. Here, if you have enrolled in a bad univ, you won't get enough opportunities and if you have enrolled in a brand, people will get to gradually know you for your research granted that you work towards it.

From the perspective of recruitment nothing concrete can be said. On pen and paper, if you have someone from Harvard with a phd and no publications, it might seem more of an achievement than someone from a TLC phd with 3 Care Listed ones. The game suddenly will change and perhaps be levelled if the second person has 3 scopus.

Crap! I wrote a lot. Sorry.

CLAT was never what you seem to think it was. No one ever has “has achieved jackshit in this crap you call an exam” - any actual achievements are only a consequence of efforts once you’re in college.

CLAT has always been a test to filter for English speaking children with good time management skills and a quick mind - that is the most charitable way of putting it. Ages ago, I cracked CLAT simply because I figured out the time management part of it.

If your batchmates cracked it with just 15-20 days of prep and you required much more, it may perhaps be a comment on you. CLAT, in the worst of cases, doesn’t need more than 1.5 months of a few hours of prep assuming the test taker is moderately aware about the world due to which the GK section isn’t an issue for them.

Have recently switched from a T2 to a T1 firm/team. Pay wise it's a down grade of 5k/monthly after taxes and everything but otherwise the learning curve is much better, the team is much more supportive in comparison to the last one and I am really enjoying the work.

Just wanted to ask was this a right decision or not?

Bruh wtf, I'm a first year student at gnlu and there is literally next to 0 PI culture here, and I would know because I spent an year in RML before coming here.

I'm not part of any GNLU PR if there is one, this is just based on my experience and my observation of the experience of my batchmates.

What if they don't have generational wealth? Do you really think of the world in these binaries where either people are monopoly men or theyre slumdog millionairre? And that somehow is supposed to map on to trans-cis status? There are trans billionaires yknow- martine rothblatt, jennifer pritzker, caitlyn genner, many of these men come out very late in life after having enjoyed cis male privilege their entire lives. Most non-binary identification among youth are kids from comfortable middle class / wealthy families. Should they get the quota?

Paint a picture for me- what do you imagine when you imagine a transgender 18 year old?

Adding on to say, the logic generally with graduate school is that if you are applying to get a job in the private sector, you are unlikely to find funding. If you are applying to become an academic or a researcher or work in the public sector, you might be able to find some funding. The expectation is that if you are going to get a private sector job you will soon make back all the money you spent on graduate school. And for these universities- thats not an unfounded expectation. I havent heard of a yale grad being jobless. Most who want to move to private sector get scooped up by white and case. Ditto for the other schools.

Hi guys, I have my college from 8-12 and then have my internship at a tier 1 firm and of late I have been feeling unfit with my weight increasing as well because of my lethargy which I think is also affecting my work and focus.

So quick question on how others in my situation handle this situation should I work out in the morning and then do college and then work or go to gym after work (can’t put a time on when it will be end but let’s put it at 9PM on average every day) and what would be the suggestions of others? Thanks!

Go for Fintech over TMT, better scope and exit options

Telecom is bland, media is IP heavy, gaming has a bleak scope in india. Technology is essentially a bit of IP and Data

If the dpdp comes within the next 2 years, we will have to wait and watch how it is implemented. Unlikely the hype will live for long.

Nah any NLU below and including RMLNLU is horrible. They barely have any placements. This year only 24 people got placed from RMLNLU and out of which 10 were placed with lawyers. All my friends who opted for RMLNLU,HNLU and NLUO got placed, but the starting salary they got is barely 25-30k, so much for being from an NLU. Its high time people should realise any NLU apart from top 5 is simply not worth it. That drug den of a college is a shithole and i guess its as good as RMLNLU.

I am from NALSAR. Do not take admission if you are a person who is not fine with living in an almost remote village with extremely poor connectivity with the city, with people nasty as f, you will have to live there 24*7. Rest is fine if you are fine with living in such remote places with limited amenities, you can, it's a good place.

Also, regarding left wing, yes it is very much prevalent here, to the extent that Hindu phobia also is there.

One of the best places to start your career. Lean team allows you to be much involved in mandates but the firm is past its prime and pretty much everyone lives in a bubble. All the shit about cutting edge work is all branding and marketing with less substance. Still can give it a shot for the first couple of years of your career.

This is true. Have offered this to recent campus hirings at NLUD. But trust me you can get a max of 2.5-3 of the 5 lakh component and I am damn sure they will come up with some complex clause that will not allow you to leave before 18 months or something without losing chunk of money.