Constantly this prediction has been made... and what has been the result? Placements: still good. Foreign firm hiring: still happening steadily. Rhodes Scholarship: happened recently, that too awarded to a student of the programme which is Sudhir's brainchild, the one you all said would produce crap quality graduates. Instead what? Despite all your crying, it has produced somebody who is scholarly, kind, well-rounded and eminently a better person than every single talking head on this thrice-damned site. Will you please just shut up, admit that you are failures and carry on with your lives? Gosh! You are even more pathetic than the person whom Hasan Minhaj referred to as "Beky with the bad grades". At least she had the guts to file a case (forget about merits or otherwise of the lawsuit) against the U.T. system. All you do is come on an anonymous forum and bitch about a person whose boots you aren't worthy to lick, hoping that one of your attempts will stick. Why not accuse him of a crime and have done with it? Oh! I forgot! NUJS people who tried to harm him with fireworks have already tried that stunt, and failed. So this is the best you can do.

This is the latest mail from the dean. This is after people were protesting her previous mail by writing mails stating that this is not fair or good for the mental health of students.

Mail:

Dear all

Sending these type of hate mails doesn't help. I am responding to make just one statement. Any faculty that VC wants who is 'flexible' enough can be made Dean Academics. I have already stated this to VC number of times. I have rejected to be VC in charge 3 times in my career in two different universities and also given up registrar's position. So rest assured I don't enjoy this. I have been on the side of power since the day I was born so I know it's reality.

As long as I am there I won't agree to standards stooping to lower level than they already are thanks to 'flexible' and so called 'student friendly' (or student appeasement) policies of some who have been associated with the university. Since you hardly know anything about how universities work, I am informing that I don't appease because I am academically and financially honest and don't have skeletons in my cupboard.

So instead of writing unnecessary mails here and wasting time prepare yourself for the hard life and competition ahead. These mails do not affect me. And I won't respond further

She gets a worse rap than she deserves for unnecessary reasons. There are other partners that are sometimes more vitriolic in open view at the office that are not discussed like this. The team executes efficiently and everyone there is well trained - if you join, you'll learn immensely.

I don't think getting in litigation is that hard. You might not get what you want but there is always something for everyone in litigation. Try shifting to Delhi, if you are not already here. It will help big time. Talk to your friends, approach your seniors, take the pain to talk to anyone who might have a connection. Just don't stop the grind. Also, pls take care of yourself and seek some professional help if you need to!

Fresher gets around 10 to 12 per annum from what I last heard. Both Delhi and Mumbai have good disputes practices. There is a variety of matters and lot of independence given to SA level onwards including appearance. They dont follow sols model so you do get encouraged to appear if you persevere. Broadly divided into tax lit, civil and commercial lit and arbitration. The tax lit team is fabulous. The arb team is GAR 100 ranked and has some good individuals. They do mainly domestic arbitration. Hope this helps.

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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/held-hostage-for-40-hours-youtuber-ankush-bahugunas-digital-arrest-ordeal-7405352

I just don't get it! We are warned every day.. why do they fall for these scams then?

The mere mention of a central university provokes downvotes, as OP already mentioned. This is the most definitive sign of jealousy, insecurity, and hatred among state NLU students. If state NLUs achieve much more with a "fraction of resources' then why such a toxic reaction to anything concerning central universities? Don't bother reacting to such posts.

How do these Del HC/ SC (mostly Delhi based) advocates make money in litigation when they sit at 30-40k LinkedIn followers but their each post has no sense of punctuations, no capitalisation in place and it's all writing of the lowest order. How are they churning money when they can't put together sets of words?

From your tone, maybe you communicated it to them like you were expecting them to be impressed? People don't react well to that kind of thing. Not to pick on you but I'm just pasting what you wrote below and will leave you to find the contradiction:
'if u want to impress others you are in the wrong business", i dont want to impress anyone but it hurts when people are not impressed'

If you want to be happy, maybe reflect a bit. If you don't want to, that's fine. Many people go through life obsessed with external validation.

This is a shit show. Genuinely the BA law and 3 Year llb need to cut down their acts and collectively join to protest. Even if not protesting, help get rid of Ved Kumari. Her term will be one more year and she has been hell-bent on ruining everything from mental health to fests. Someone needs to alert the consortium of NLUs and BCI. This is an even semester and we have a record of suicides in every even semester.

Having seen this university for the past five years, all I can say is that the nose dive is for real. The admin is cranky and stupid at its best. The only good thing about this university is the caliber and hardwork of the students hustling in it. I am afraid, with the lack of academic support and irrational policy changes, the present placement stats will become a distant dream for the future batches (except only if the current admin is totally done away with)

OP here, thanks a lot for the concise answer.

I was a defense aspirant (wanted to be an infantry officer) but have weak eyesight and bad in maths so gave up on NDA and went for NEET hoping to join the Army Medical Corps. I dropped for NEET this year (2024) but it was simply not for me. I was getting a shitty off campus college in DU through CUET and almost went there (hoping to give CDS on graduation) but the college was simply trash. A friend whose dad is a judge suggested CLAT (and I have always been kinda interested in law) so I initially wanted to go for either JAG or judiciary but the sheer amount of money that you make in law firms is tempting me.

Personally, it has always been my dream to serve as a commissioned army officer, preferably in the combat arms, more preferably the infantry, but I understand that is not possible for me anymore.

I have 5 years to decide on my future path but for now I think I will either go for a law firm head on or try for JAG and live out my dream, albeit on a limited scale.

Either way, I wholeheartedly thank you again for your kind and informative answer, I shall keep coming back to it for future reference :)

Which foreign firms would you say do the best/most India-related work from a corporate perspective (other than HSF and Linklaters) from their London offices?

Hard to tell from the outside looking in, since so many firms talk about India on their websites, and rankings can get skewed too.

You say tradwife, like any Indian woman, is actually choosing to adopt the role of the homemaker.

Even if you were to meet a family oriented, make-your-own-bread milk-your-own-cow type of homesteader usually portrayed on "tradwife" spaces- she likely wouldnt be interested in someone who plans to slave for corporate overlords, not take an active role in raising children or who wouldnt know how to fix a light bulb let alone build her a house. Indian men want the women to be "family oriented" instead of career oriented, but they themselves arent similarly family oriented at all. What they want is a bangmaid, not a marriage.

What you mean is that you are incapable of being a good husband and want to marry someone who is poorer and less financially stable than you are in hopes that she will put up with your bad behaviour all her life. She might. She might also find out that its not worth it. Just be honest though- dont use euphemisms to disguise your own shortcomings.

Context:

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gst-notice-issued-to-tamil-nadu-pani-puri-seller-over-rs-40-lakh-earnings-7403011#pfrom=home-ndtv_lateststories

Leave aside the fact that many college students will be adversely affected by this (including NLUs and Jindal), isn't this a blatant disregard of privacy and personal freedoms? India is getting more and more of a crap place to live in day by day.

https://www.news18.com/business/unmarried-couples-no-longer-welcome-oyo-changes-check-in-rules-9177563.html

I didn’t say it was harder than being a cancer surgeon or more worthwhile. Did you read my post ?

I don’t know if it’s easier to get into Harvard for a phd or nls. Maybe the former might have fewer applicants but it still might be more competitive and demand more from applicants to even be considered than NLS does. Acceptance rates only tell one bit of the story. They tell you how many others applied. They don’t tell you how many of the others that applied were serious applicants, they don’t tell you how good the other applicants were - nothing. If you went by acceptance rate alone, everyone working in the services should be a genius and given the small number of people who are ever even nominated for the MacArthur grant, it must be quite easy to get .

Honestly I don’t care either way. It’s the work you do during your phd that matters to me, whether it’s interesting or novel or rigorous, not necessarily the institution. But I will say - on average institutions in the west demand more rigor from the work of their phd students than institutions in India do.

Search a Youtube Channel named

"Manoeuvre Education ". Not a promotion, but its the only channel which helps in this aspect of knowing syllabus of MHCET.

As, its a state exam, so LE, CL and LPT these coachings don't guide for 3year LLB. So, you may get an idea from there.

I can relate! I have been struggling to find a job in law for six seven months now ( I am from 2024 batch). Despite approaching various small to large law firms, I've been met with rejection.

The common response is that I need experience, but when I reach out to counsels to join their chambers, their juniors tell me to gain experience by working in a law firm. I was ready to not expect any monetary compensation in litigation. I know how litigation is. But even in small law firms you don’t get paid.

And guess what, I have seen few people directly join chambers of some renowned lawyers directly after graduation. And then I found out about their whole family background.

It's a vicious cycle. Law firms want experience, but the only way to get that experience is by working in a law firm. I'm caught in a loop with no clear way out. Some small law firms even mentioned that I must work for 24:7 with no pay and no weekend off.

I've also offered to work for free to gain experience in litigation, but even that hasn't yielded any opportunities.

I'm starting to regret pursuing law. I wish I had taken my entrance exams like CLAT more seriously, despite getting into a good institution through MHCET. However, they didn't have a strong placement program. No doubt people give up on this career.

I'm not blaming anyone entirely, but I realize I must be lacking somewhere. Then why don’t they give me feedback instead of vague responses.

Despite doing well academically and securing good internships, I'm not getting anywhere.

Everyone I ask for help seems so so insecure and unwilling to offer guidance, recommendations or feedback. I'm feeling frustrated and lost. It’s literally taking toll on my mental health.

Also I met few people who are so insecure and threatened in law school and in legal industry. And sometimes I feel this whole industry is like this. Judge me I do not care. I am so done!

Is it a good idea to move in house after 1 PQE? I personally cannot take the workload of working in a T1 anymore or deal with certain people, and I am willing to take a paycut. I'm more concerned about the other tradeoffs that may be there in moving in house so early on. Please provide insight about what to expect if I do this.

There is a common pattern that settles the point beyond doubt. Other NLU students and alumni, including practitioners also agree that NLS is a fantastic place to study at, perhaps the best in the country. On the other hand, only NLUD students and alumni believe that NLUD is the best place to study law at. That makes all the difference.

I am in a T1 NLU (not NLS, NALSAR or NUJS, take your pick out of the two left). I have 5-6 T1 and T2 internships post my second year, all in M&A or Cap Marks, but did not convert into a PPO. Apart from that, I have decent publications in reputed blogs and a journal piece, along with several wins in competitions and other extracurriculars. The only sticking point is that my batch rank is dead average - like exactly in the middle of my batch. How screwed am I when it comes to campus placements?

Reproducing the posts below. This is a wake-up call for us to do an MBA abroad and settle there. I don’t see legal sector liberalisation happening before 2050, because SILF and the domestic legal mafia (backed by the desi deep state) will not allow it. ☹️

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/economy/story/chinas-gdp-is-5x-that-of-india-startup-founder-warns-of-grim-future-for-hardworking-indians-459568-2025-01-04

https://www.businesstoday.in/amp/union-budget/story/our-gameplan-seems-to-be-tax-people-to-death-startup-founder-slams-indias-lag-behind-china-singapore-459564-2025-01-04

Post 1:

An average city in China has better infra than that of any major metro in India. In the US, debate is going on: how to get more meritorious people there? who can build more firms. And, give more jobs. Singapore has transformed its economy to the point: where they are NOW rejecting multi-millionaires from settling there. They got to this point in the last 50 years. Thailand and Vietnam are way ahead on their tourism, compared to India. Give it 15 more years, India will be no where near. There are 0 leaders in India who are talking about: - Sensible taxation. - Rolling back reservations/freebies. - How to increase our exports. How to build wealth in an ever competitive world. Our game-plan seems to be: tax people to death. Use their money to support freeloaders. And, then expect them to stay and "build" the nation.

Post 2:

1980s: India and China had similar GDP 45 years later: China's GDP is 5X that of India. The situation is such that China is now taking our land. And, we can't do jack-shit about it. In terms of future preparation:- China is winning all important races -- the AI, ML, Exports, Robotics -- you name it. All Indian political parties are simply running a freebie race: killing merit, encouraging freeloaders and doing 0 prep. What kind of a meaningful future do you see for hardworking Indians?

Hmmm…..is that why

1. NLS has to pawn domicile seats for a mere 7 acres of land

2. MNLUN cannot pay faculty salaries

3. NLIU has to reduce intakes

4. WBNUJS has to put up students in staff quarters

5. NLS has to start a regular BA program where students will not get to stay in the campus

Do you want me to go on or you get the point?

This was a ragging ritual at all NLUs decades ago. Seniors would get a junior high on alcohol and drugs, then force him to do black magic rituals calling ghosts. I think the idea was for seniors to prank juniors by making noises and pretending to be ghosts and scare juniors, who were already impaired in their senses because of intoxication. But you would hear stories of how ghosts sometimes would REALLY show up and how students would be cursed. In reality, it was trauma because of forcible intoxication and bullying. This is what led to the practice being discontinued. It was a horrible and cruel form of bullying. And Gen X/Gen Y have the audacity to ridicule Gen Z! Yes, we would rather be woke than cruel!

VC was booming earlier, now deal flow has slowed down. It's a bad winter for VC.

PE is business as usual. A bit slow but not standstill.

Once Trump reforms US economy you can expect better capital availability to PE. VC unlikely to get back to the hey days of 2020-22

That is the reality atm. Most of my male senior partners (read who spends more time at work) have trad wives who take care of everything else. There are very less instances of two successful senior lawyers married where both can have their careers equally. Even in such case, the burden is on the female partner to manage the household.

The classes for any student cannot be for 12 hours on any given day, that's just a hyperbole. Just because the timetable goes on from 9 to 8 doesn't mean that a student will have every class during this period. Moreover, there is a simple way of sorting this out. Make groups of electives and ensure that students choose one group or the other. So that simultaneous classes can go on. You can't have the choice of any combination that you want and still retain the luxury of ending classes early.

Chances are if they don't know CAM or Trilegal, they'll not know Ashurst or Linklaters.

My relatives think I work in Khaitan the company that makes fans untill I explain to them what law firms are and how Khaitan the law firm is much older than the other Khaitan, the electrical company. They'll will still not care.

Don't get bothered by what others think of you. Get rid of this external locus of validation and you'll be much happier in life.

Who is stupid enough to be impressed by this? It’s a university- they should first focus on teaching students properly, stopping fraud, and having some small measure of academic rigor. Then on whether their students are able to get jobs or look after themselves.

What kind of idiot falls for this ? Do they think their doctor is really good if he hangs out with celebrities instead of treating them? Do they think their accountant is very good if he spends all his time talking about his fancy new house instead of handling their finances?

It’s unfortunate, but there’s a certain class of rich uneducated person who is totally being taken for a ride by this place.

Simple: those people don't have either the smarts or the balls to even try. They are just venting their spite onto you. Leave them alone. They know they are the trash and who the true giants of Indian legal academia are. While yes there are many who stuck around in India for further study after undergrad, tell me where the majority of them come from? They won't be able to because they know that next to those professors, they are hash.

KCO competition is not a T-1 practice.

SAM has Meta and Microsoft

Azb has Google

JSA has Apple

These three have also done amazing deals in competition law.

Trilegal is also not a T-1 but since Aparna is joining this month, she'll make it T-1 in no time.

KCO competition stands no where near sam azb and jsa.

I would suggest NUJS NRI. To the extent I know, there is absolutely no bullying or anything of that sort regarding the NRI status. Once first sem exams come around, and you prove yourself, the veiled comments (if any) disappear. Coming to what’s important, the college life and experience is amazing, in terms of competitions in various areas and internships. The opportunities you get here are helpful for any career you decide to pursue, not to mention the access to the kind and helpful alumni base. So if it’s financially possible, I would suggest go for it blindly.

Coming from a senior NUJS NRI (genuinely)