Soo this year I am also thinking of giving the exam as clat results are being delayed a lot so not in a secure position rn i am mean i will get a clg but idk if the course will start on time. So did u do that 2 year IBL llm From Nalsar. How was ur experience n is it worth the fees?? Please tell no

While all other colleges have finished their courses, NUALS, and it's Harvard level education and it's ▮▮▮ inequipped professors, have decided to extend the course till the middle of June at the very least so they can leisurely conduct all the required vivas and exams which should have been done by April.

Any other NLU or law college facing this plight??

Beyond fucking tired of this college

For a potential donor, the question is not whether a university needs the money (every university needs money) but whether the university has the ability and competence to properly use the funding. Many IITs would have loved to receive the ₹500 crores from the Tata Foundation, but the Tata Foundation gave it to IISc for its new medical school, because in its evaluation, IISc is the most capable of putting that kind of money to proper use. It is the same here. Cyril doesn't think any state NLU can use the ₹15 crores properly, hence he gave it to JGLS. Think like a donor before commenting.

Messed up clat so bad this year and with my ranking, I might have a chance with NLUO.

Didn’t wanna write SLAT, but did it anyway and got SLSN.

I’ve heard that SLSN doesn’t have a good ROI, and NLUO, while a tier 2 NLU, is miles better.

Thoughts on this? Please!

Really? Surely this is a joke at this point?

Have you been asleep since November 2024? In fact, have you been asleep for several years? If you haven't, I really can't imagine why you would say something as nonsensical as this, especially considering what happened in the U.S. in November 2024. And even if you discount the significance of that event, surely you are aware that the theoretical rigour etc of the U.S. LLM curriculums is far inferior to the BCL and their UK/international counterparts?

Is anyone pursuing a PhD or has pursued one from Jindal ? My query is on how the admission process works ? How is the written and interview? What's the total cost of living for the next 3-5 years ? How much does CV play a role ? How much does recommendations work ? Do we get a stipend ? If I am from a middle class family should I pursue a PhD from Jindal ?

Normally the fees for the first semester are payable along with admission, but if you have genuine financial problems, then you can approach the administration in advance and then tell them about it, so that they may give you advance documentation proving your admission, which you can use to get the loan in advance from the local SBI branch or the Union Bank branch that is located within the campus. It has been done before. After that, you may apply for scholarships, both in-house and external ones like Platinum, Aditya Birla etc. You may also get in touch with the IDIA people if you qualify the income criterion.

Look man. If you wanted to talk about a particular case- the straight thing to do would be to talk about the case. not this nonsense where you pretend there's some puzzle and clearly are disappointed that someone has not given you the answer you want. Just try being upfront with people in the future.

A couple of points just after reading through what youve written:

1) CLAT consortium and the VC of NLSIU are completely different entities legally and practically speaking. Sudhir has repeatedly expressed that he disagrees with them on many accounts and even tried to find a way so he wouldnt have to admit students through that stupid and poorly run exam. He's in a bad marriage with the consortium, where he is blamed for everything they do wrong and also not allowed to leave.

2) This person you speak of honestly seems immature. Of course a university page is going to highlight students who have succeeded at different competitions and are optimistic and offer an aspirational example to other prospective students. Not just because those students are aspirational, but because it might be exploitative to put the trauma stories of students who aren't doing so well on the website. They might regret it; The internet is forever and a 19 year old may not be able to make a considered decision about whether to put their trauma up on a website for all to see. The university might just be protecting them and their future selves by keeping a light tone on its own website. It's got nothing to do with class or who gets encouraged at the university. A person who got into Yale for his LLM from NLS this year is a queer disabled first-generation learner who got tons of support from the university.
University website pages are also not there to "encourage" students. Not everything exists to encourage students. Students are not fragile little tinker bells who will die if they don't get applause constantly. University website pages are there for the university to publicly communicate with the public - they will put up calls for papers and applications, notices of news and events, faculty scholarship and an occasional fluff piece about new students or faculty. they only do that last so prospective students might draw some inspiration and consider applying. so crucial to that would be to point out all the opportunities NLS can offer them. It's not there to do the purpose you think it's there to do. This is not there to give validation to the students featured.
3) Are you saying that someone with an illiterate mother or a disorder of sexual development cannot compete with others on an equal footing? Are you suggesting that this individual is morally or otherwise inferior in her abilities? I don't think so. I've known plenty of people who were first-generation learners and did extremely well. Sudhir himself—his mother only has high school, and his father was a watchman. He went to school on scholarships and the charity of Christian organizations, and he made something of himself. And once he made something of himself, he was celebrated. The idea that people should be held to a lower standard because of their background - that they somehow lack capacity for brilliance - is honestly quite bigoted. I have known plenty of children from single parent homes, including yours truly, who thrived at NLUs, were not any different than anyone else.

4) What is the great source of agony here? What is it that we're supposed to get worked up about? The university website page that hardly anyone reads doesn't celebrate exactly the type of person you want and deem worthy? Because from your obviously biased summary, I gather that your candidate did not actually make it into NLSIU. So they very well cannot put up a profile of her as an admitted student. If it was money she was worried about, she could have taken loans, tried out for Aditya Birla, or reached out to IDIA. It seems she wanted a lowered admission standard and I'm afraid sometimes in life you have to take the L, or work harder to ace clat the next time. Thousands of students attempt clat and don't make it to NLS and move on with their lives. This obsession seems unhealthy.
5) Besides the laws can and do account for- you must admit disabled candidates who qualify, dalits and adivasis who qualify etc. She was not denied admission just because of her disability. What you're asking for is something else. You're asking for everyone in your life to celebrate and treat you like a hero because you have a trauma story that you personally think makes you superior. I'm afraid you simply cannot compel others to see you the way you want to be seen. Or at least that the university celebrate other candidates you deem worthy because of their traumas. None of us have that right. If we did, it would be a dystopia where speech and thought could be compelled.

6) If the assertion is that because your friend was not admitted—no one at NLS currently has trauma or comes from disadvantaged backgrounds and therefore it's an elite institution—that's honestly just ignorant. Hundreds of people on a university campus, many of them come from troubled backgrounds; nearly all of them do not make it their entire identity; they focus on self improvement and learning the law to help others. You might consider doing the same.

You should always try for a call-back. The big names are spread over. Anuj Berry & Kunal Gupta (Tri), Avik Biswas & Manavendra Misra (KCO), Alina Arora (SAM) hv large teams but don’t take a chance if you have a way into PBB. T-1s pay T-1 salaries. It’s a niche area difficult to get through & tough to survive.

Umakanth Varottil is the youngest partner* at any Tier 1 law firm in Indian history. He became a partner at age 26 at Amarchand Mangaldas and Suresh A Shroff (before Sam cam era) Within an year he quit his job to teach in the US.

Youngest Partner* through merit - not related to same caste, family or power politics.

NLUD places around 20-25% of a batch in tier one firms. NALSAR around 40%, about the same as NUJS. GNLU maybe 30-32%, but they have a higher batch size. NLSIU rarely reveals its full stats, so the exact number is not clear, but it's less than NALSAR and NUJS and the future NLSIU numbers are likely to drop way lower because of their heavily increased batch size.

Not really. I disapprove because JGLS doesn't really need the money, given the fees that they charge. Public universities do. It is also true that overall public universities in this country do produce better quality research than private ones. Had Cyril really been trying to make a difference in Indian legal education (not that he is obliged to), then he would have donated the money where it could have made a real difference. That is indeed a valid point of criticism.

Also continuing from the previous comment. Given the following:

1. Supreme Court's stance on CLAT 2025 challenge it's still sub-judice

2. Oral observations by Bench that 3 years practice requirement is needed

3. Recent orders by the Supreme Court staying civil judge recruitment in few States and more States following suit

4. Submissions by States

It's highly likely that 3 year practice requirement would be imposed from this year. Even if it is allowed this year, as a caveat, please do understand that judicial recruitments in some States take a lot of time even after the results.

This is mostly due to litigation challenges.

Better to go back to practice, have financial backing and write the District Judge exam or do international/domestic arbitration and get appointed directly to the Bench like SAM Partner Tejas Karia.

Even if corporate isn't your choice, it makes sense to stay closer to home. I'm assuming that you're getting NLUJ via domicile, and NLIU via rank. I was in the same position as you a couple years ago.

1. Infra and facilities: While both the institutions are T1, and will offer you nearly equal opportunities - NLUJ offers you single rooms since Day 1, trust makes a lot of difference, be it in exams or during parties - cuz even if you don't party, your batchmates/roommate would. And since you are not focused on corporate at all, it makes to stay closer to home and save money, or just not spend extra if you don't need to. NLUJ also has a lot of sports facilities, and people are very actively engaged in them. We have our own Cricket and Football leagues as well. You can expect similar classrooms at both the places too.

2. Faculty wise it's kinda harder to differentiate, since when it comes to law most good professors are concentrated and consolidated at JGLS, NLS and NALSAR. So they would be similar in that regard.

Nobody is engaging in dick measuring, embarrassing and exhibitionist display of inferiority complexes and trolling , other than you. Nobody is even talking about placement numbers on this thread. This thread is not about that. It is about how JGLS got (in the Indian context) an amount of money that is considered to be a significant donation. Why do you repeatedly have to bring that up?

Well last 3-4 years, CAM has been hiring many from Jindal. There are regular flow of interns too. As regards partners, well it’s fairly young compared to NLS et al. They did make the one or two that continued in the firm for 9+ years.

Things are gonna change soon. Law Firms aren’t looking for extra ordinary bright lawyers anymore! The bright ones usually leave for LLM or opt for better things in life. With AI now, law firms just did junior lawyers who are tech savvy and decently smart.

Potentially, not quite confirmed yet. Canning Town area, London, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. For just over £610000. UK Government's Consular Exchange Rate (CER) for May 2025 states £1 = INR118, so do the calculation yourself from there, because the number is frightening even for me to say. Two bedroom. Could have got it at a (slightly) reduced price a few months ago (if I had known about it), but this high tax Labour admin has gotten new stamp duty rules to kick in.

Would advise in favour of NLUJ (as a previous comment has done, for the same reasons). Avoid NLIU. It has had a reputation for administration-facilitated corruption scandals and scams that is beyond comparison (not like most Indian unis are paragons of virtue, but on a test which scores highly based on how corrupt uni administrations are, NLIU would have historically scored very highly indeed).

Increase the budget by what margin?

There is no scope for a laptop to last more than a couple of years kya? In that case, why bother paying a lot at all, refurbished try kar sakta hun.

I can't afford to buy another laptop every three-four years. Refurbished seems like a good option.

It's his choice whom he gives it to. If you're so anxious that the NLUs have money, (i) advocate for the abolition of artificial tuition fee suppression mechanisms and for the fees to be raised per year in line with inflation for self-funded students who are funding at least 75% of their studies by themselves; and (ii) donate yourself to your own uni.

Hi- I work for a boutique law firm (disputes team) and have 1 year of experience. Since the practice is really niche and my learning has stagnated, I want to make a switch, preferably to a Tier 1.

I understand that these are my initial years of practice so I should not chase a prioritise learning over money- even if that means a pay cut. However, I have financial responsibilities at home and the money would be extremely helpful.

Please let me know if any Tier 1 Disputes teams/Arbitration teams are hiring and what I can do to reach them. I am a first generation lawyer and barely have any contacts apart from the ones made in the past year. Any guidance or direction would be deeply appreciated as I'm stuck in a rut.

I have been cold emailing partners and sending personalised LinkedIn messages too, please let me know what else I can do.

Many find GC mundane and mechanical, but stick with it because having a generalist background can lead to more diverse experiences. But frankly it’s fine to start specialising when you already have a preference.

I’m not working in TMT, I’m still in a corporate practice. It’s hard to transition quickly.

I'm in my fourth year at a non-NLU and have an upcoming assessment with the Corp team at a regional office of a Tier 1 firm. This is my only opportunity as I don't have any other internships lined up and lack industry connections to fall back on. The team has previously mentioned that they’re unsure about hiring more people since they’ve already taken someone from my year, but informed me recently that they have not finished hiring for my batch. I really want to secure a PPO from this assessment, and although I know that the team rarely gives out call-backs unless they want to hire, there are a few others from my year who have also been given assessments for the same month considering that the office is notoriously known for hiring just a handful of people every year. I’m feeling really anxious about this, especially since the partner conducting the interview has a reputation for being intimidating. I have been working really hard these past few months to leverage my placement prospects - CV-wise, I have national and international mooting achievements with some good publications and essay competition wins, while my GPA is pretty average, unfortunately. I would truly appreciate it if people could advise me on how I can excel in this interview and maximise my chances of getting hired, especially because I don't really come off as affable in general. I'm always in awe that some people can yap well and build better rapports with Partners, etc, and I've never managed to do so - so maybe any advice in that regard would also work. I'm really sorry if I'm coming off as desperate, but I can't help it :((

1. No. Theoretical IP is increadibly different from what you would practice at work. The actual work is increadibly boring, mundane and repetitive. I don't understand who are the people saying this is going anywhere but the number of partners and associates telling me to they can't leave even though they're trying tells me another story. I was told to venture out before I locked in, and I couldn't be more grateful. A profession in IP academia seems interesting but actual practice will have you begging to opt out.

2. Low attrition, but equally low demand. A lot of IP work can very frankly be taken up by someone who knows basic data entry and can replicate submissions, you do not need a law degree or for that matter even a deep understanding of IP. The pool of resources and cases is small, and India's IP practice is not nearly sophisticated enough for it to require you to use your brains

3. If your only concern is getting placed, it would not be hard. But you would be paid a lot lower, the work does not get more interesting, and the scope for you pay scale to increase doesn't increase much either. Think of this in the long term, not just for the short term. IP litigation might hold another story, but even in that a lot of recent cases seem to revolving around IP issues that have largely solid foundations and clear answers.
4. Start elsewhere, the work you do in IP will largely be the same everywhere. And unfortunately so is the pay, most tier 1 firms do not pay their IP teams at par with others. The only difference that you would face, is maybe the quality but even that would be marginally so. Start at a boutique firm, build your connects and then branch out.

5. No. Theoretical ipr is increadibly different from practical. Most students after a single ipr internship usually end up deciding that this is not the thing for them.

1. "Just as I think that you're the same guy who has been deliberately pushing that narrative of it being a concerted and diabolical attempt to harm him.": LOL. Really gave me a good laugh, this one did! Finally started reading books, have you? Good, at least Sudhir managed to teach you something. Using big words now, are we - "concerted and diabolical attempt to harm him", eh? I don't think your sort at that time could have had the brains or self-application required to make a "concerted and diabolical attempt to harm him". The only sorts of people who could come up with something like that are people with actual brains (the sort who've never heard of CLAT and who'd consider it faltu, if they did) - like the Israeli Mossad. You were more like the U.S. foreign intelligence agency, the C.I.A., who hired a bunch of idiots to kill Fidel Castro, the Cuban dictator, each of whose attempts was more bizarre than the last.

2. However, just because you lacked many of the qualities at that time to organise a "concerted and diabolical attempt to harm him" doesn't mean you have eternally remained so useless. You have grown and become more dangerous over time. You have realised that the best way to do this (i.e., to harm him) is by sustained and motivated attacks on his character and ability. What you didn't bargain for, however, is that there'd be folks who have a bit of common sense and who are ready to fight fire with fire and who can call out your bullshit.

3. People whose PhD research doesn't come up to scratch have no right to graduate with that degree. If really he has been doing something wrong, give me a source. One person who has not engaged in anonymous discussion, but spoken out in their own name to call this out. When the western unis (including Oxford) have fucked things up, students, alumni and academics of theirs have gone on Twitter and LinkedIn and blasted them openly and without any compunction. Surely, if Sudhir was so bad, someone would have the balls to do that (or something like it)?

False: You are making the criticisms. I am not. You are creating these great benchmarks against which to measure one of the cleverest people in Indian legal academia (based on which he is found wanting), I am not. At the same time, (a) you are doing nothing to make Indian legal academia better; and (b) the crap state of Indian legal academia for a very long time is thanks, largely, to the complacency of egoists, which may or may not include you or people like you. Therefore, anyone who has an interest in these matters (such as myself) has every right to hold you accountable, by asking what substance and substantive thoughts, knowledge or intellectual contribution you have, other than bitterness and trolling. You have ventilated your so-called criticisms consequence-free for far too long. Now cope and seethe.

Again: show me what you have, genuine request in good faith. There is one respect in which I am at fault, it is true - not talking about this in terms of anonymity safeguards before. Understandably, you'd want to not dox yourself on here. Happy to drop a throwaway email, which we can preliminarily use as an introductory mechanism to engage in good faith on this, before moving to using identifiable contact info. If you are willing to genuinely engage in this (or an alternative) way, I am happy to listen to what you have to say.

The equivalent of a first class degree in the UK system. That is 70% or higher. I would say try aiming for 75%, though, if that seems realistic to you, because there are lots of good candidates who'll be applying, so achieving higher than the minimum requirement is definitely one way your application could be distinctive.

gave clat25 (absolute shitshow) and landed a bunch of tier 2 colleges. I want to reattempt CLAT26 because ik I can do better, but my parents think drops are a waste of time. should I take a secret partial drop?

ps- I also plan on either specializing or getting a JD in the future

Oh no, the resident haters and trollers on LI who spew venom against JGLS must be having a heart attack! How dare Cyril Shroff donate money to a university with faculty a pro-active VC and faculty who are alumni of reputed universities! How dare he not donate to NLU XYZ, run by the TLC mafia!

The discrimination is real. You go to a shop and the shopkeeper will ignore you because you only speak hindi/english. Ola/Uber drivers will not switch on the AC. This happened to me a lot of times. When I am with a Kannadiga friend, the driver will switch on the AC, if you speak English/Hindi, they won't. I have not faced any kind of violence as such, but that is also because I only use ola/uber and never take the bus or other public transport.