There is absolutely no point in posting anything anymore if all of it is going to be censored anyway, let us know if you only want us to write good things.

Rajiv Sir is god sent angel, when it was raining once and the roof in our home was leaking, Rajiv Sir came with an umbrella and held it above our heads for the entire night so that we can sleep in peace. Best Rajiv Sir is:)

Yes, LI likely reported it. Paper was widely circulated then ofc after the exam. Dr Yashomati Ghosh, who previously taught at NUJS (and did her postgraduate here) was the concerned teach at NLS then, now NLU Goa. For more you can contact her or the spouse Ani C also at NLU Goa now.

Yes. Idea is to not think of work as your entire life - even if it’s taking up major part of it. Work is not the sole priority nor your sole purpose in life. If you’re happy (read: okay) spending the hours etc. to actually use your brain for other things (be it philosophy, skills, etc.)

I’m good at drafting and negotiating. There’s no extraordinary mind jumping I need to do to excel at work - I am instead using it to pursue things which challenge me.

▮▮▮. I am absolutely surprised on the number of comments of ex-interns 'anonymously' coming out to praise the team - and each and every comment seems to have the same line of argument, sentence framing, etc. More like a cut-paste job from ChatGPT?

I would have refrained from commenting - and have no business with tax too - but given the alarming number of comments by ex-interns, I thought I will add my 2 cents.

My view is based on my interaction. They r all seniors so no malice intended.

Gopal Sanks is great. Reads his papers and fights it out demurely. ST will get there soon. Shashank Garg is very average and more interested in building his network than reading his papers. K Parmeshwar is the most hard working in this lot.

Sadly, never. Even the partners are not masters of their craft. Grilled properly, majority of the BnF partners don't know shit.

Don't aim for mastery of the craft. Aim for mastery of the process. At the end, B&F transactions are all process driven and no body gives a flying duck about the craft as long as docs are signed in time and borrowers get their drawdown (save and except a few high profile structured finance deals where lot of brain goes into structuring and then rest is just paper pushing).

You gotta be kidding me!!

So, according to your galaxy-brain logic, these people were so shy that they first recommended an assessment, then a PPO… because they were too polite to just say ‘nah, you’re not good enough’? 😂

Come on, Troll. That’s the best you’ve got?!

He got no chill. 🤣

Some counter-points would be:

1. Are you sure about the critical thinking bit? Have you ever attended a classroom lecture by the likes of BS Chimni, Amita Dhanda, or the various younger NLU alumni profs teaching in various places? Have you ever read the journals published by NLSIU, or the NUJS Law Review?

2. Isn't nepotism deterring NLU grads from joining the bar and bench? At least two NLSIU alumni withdrew their judicial nominations after their apppointments were being stalled, whereas all the children of judges have become judges.

3. Corporate professionals dominate the 1% of Indians who pay income tax and subsidise the 99% of poor Indians (plus freeloaders like politicians). For the first time in history, individual IT collections outnumber corporate tax collections. By giving 30% of their income to the government, and receiving nil subsidies, corporate professionals effectively work 4 months in a year free for the government. Is that not public service?

https://www.barandbench.com/news/nlu-model-has-steered-majority-of-law-graduates-to-corporate-jobs-cji-br-gavai

I made the most mistake of going independent too soon. It took me several years to build back a stable income because no firm/company wants to touch an independent counsel. So tread carefully.

Also, do not follow examples. Someone mentioned Gourab Banerjee, well his father was Attorney General and was extremely well connected, so he need not have joined anyone's chambers.

Same with Kapil Sibal, his father Advocate General for Punjab and was extremely well connected.

A chamber gives you an identity in court, so it is important. I know some people who have done well independently immediately after graduation but they are the exception rather than the rule and you do not know what connections they have.

Who is this ▮▮▮ coming here on every one of these threads and spreading this utter nonsense about litigation? All these pro-litigation comments are clearly written by the same person. Sentence structure, same/similar points made over and over again, being a salesperson for litigation. What does this cruel and heartless attempt to mislead potentially gullible kids give you? Ego validation, or what!? Or is this merely another one of those stories involving an AI bot which is clever enough to sound genuine??

Alright: Law firm life is certainly not the most fantastic way to be spending your time, I can happily grant that argument, because it isn't. It is, however, a good way to earn lots of money. But to say that litigation is, has to be utter rubbish. Without being a nepobaby, in India, the kind of thing this fantasist is talking about is impossible - utterly impossible - to do. Moderators, please do the responsible thing and mark this comment 'contested trollish'.

Hey, seeing a lot of replies from other peers who have actually interned with the direct tax team censuring the above reply. I wanted to add to the same as my experience was far from what has been claimed here. For context, I was allotted to the Tax team at Delhi at the last minute despite opting for a different practice area and location. I must say that things worked out for the better, I had the opportunity to work under the mentorship of Yash Varmani sir who was not only approachable but made the entire experience extremely comfortable considering I wasn't from the city. The associates (and I must specifically mention Ishita Sharma Ma'am) are genuinely sweet and ensured that work was not only allotted but understood. Mistakes were not looked down upon but seen as learning opportunities, for which I will always be thankful. Lastly, I must mention that I later interned with another team of Trilegal in a different location where the experience was completely different and incomparable to the one I had with Himanshu Sinha sir's team in Delhi. I choose not to go into the specifics because as the saying goes, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/nlu-model-has-steered-majority-of-law-graduates-to-corporate-jobs-cji-br-gavai

Will this great man come for the GC and ask another great man why student fees keep rising with Leaps & Bounds and we do not get commensurate facilities, security, administrative transparency, responsive academic quality etc? Not a wish list. Just a min since we foot the entire bill that pays for salaries, perks and fancy jaunts of the VC and his acolytes and his traffic in IOUs. Also meaningless litigations in the courts while he buries inquiries mandated by the EC. Then again, SJA is ▮▮▮

In many countries, even master’s students get stipends, assistantships, and institutional support that make it easier to enter teaching and research. In India, the reality is far harsher: limited opportunities, low pay in private colleges, and far greater competition for NET, JRF, and PhD slots. That’s exactly why people seek guidance. Offering clear advice helps; sarcasm doesn’t. And yes, there are few pvt colleges that allow TA position without a NET, though the salary is very low.

Some advice.

Firstly, on a lighter note change the default to something cheerful sounds. On every device. Sounds silly but the difference is that its intentional. You also stop jumping when other folks phones buzz. Making the buzz different. Its also some form of control you exert back in a life where you have little control. You need to laugh a bit when the buzzer does buzz. Your work is not that serious.

Second, you need to destress. Try to get as much of a physical workout in as possible. Also I cannot stress on how you must cultivate a friends circle outside. Those in office are not your friends. They will sell you out for a bag of crisps. They wait till there is no use for you. So make friends beyond the law or law firms. So, basically, go outside a bit and live outside a bit.

Third, see a doctor and a shrink. This is the beginning of anxiety issues and BP issues. This will translate quickly into physical issues. Do this early - even if you feel alright about it. Many people put this away. If you have family nearby - make time to bond with them on weekends, if you like kids - the better.

Fourth, don't shop or browse the internet.

Start a hobby using your hands instead. It will focus your brain. A good way is to intentionally start eating food cooked by you. Cooking also gets you to take care of your health and usually if you dont go overboard - budget friendly. Lots of good advice around cooking and eating healthy if you know where to look. Main upside, you are doing something for yourself. A treat for yourself. A reward. Its a bit of self love that will go a long way. It tells you why attending those buzzes is helping you live better.

Good luck.

try out Lexis+ AI; they have tied up with Harvey.

They call it protege, far superior to whatever else is in the market (esp common gen-AIs); asked it to draft an article of association for a quite difficult scenario, did it in less than a minute and was almost perfect. Conveyancing has become a breeze, automated agents take less than an hour, what a paralegal would take a day and half to do. The firms in the UK have halved hiring, firing support staffs, clients want to pay less, all transactional lawyers will lose their jobs in the next five years.

depends on what you want to do.

if you want to do litigation, get internships in that field

if you want to get placements, be within the top 10% of the batch and network

if you want to teach at JGLS, start saving money for foreign LLM

if you want to work in a company, get internships and network

if you want to sit for UPSC, start preparing

if nothing above applies, do MBA

Why is this post contested? Records on NUJS website or elsewhere in media don't show SH complaints being made in the initial decade of univ establishment. But thereafter, LI itself reported extensively on the PA vs then AR Admin; the shenanigans of a certain Registrar who was sacked (again kudos to LI for reporting on the Justice PN Sinha inquiry); SJA backed complaints got Lord Taluk to change ICC composition including removal of its then Chair; and now this. Is it also not a fact that after the May 2024 dispatch to DYC the SJA has gone completely silent? Is it also not a fact that several SH and polysubstance abuse complaints are ▮▮▮? Many judges et al in HC and SC know all this since they have their kids, relatives etc studying or teaching here.

What is a good way to ask Partners for work ? I dont want to sound desperate and at the same time I dont want to just say - Can you let me know if you have work which I can do. Im asking for a good, innovative and thoughtful way to get work from a partner . Say like when a Partner is going to potential clients to get work. Optics matters and I feel simply saying I want work is not enough. So please let me know what to say.

Maybe the SC judges, not just ones who write the judgment, know something we don't. It's strange that successive CJIs and their nominees have skipped convocation. Maybe now it will take place. And don't cry for VC. He is made of sterner stuff. Don't be fooled by his act. Nothing stops him from going for a review. You can join his long list of well wishers. Isn't it interesting that all Kolkata based studiously avoided making even a small mention of this order? Sure, criticise it. But to completely blank it out? Compare this to a former SC judge being hounded out. There too the matter remained equally hazy. But the highest levels of regime was deeply invested in running a kangaroo court and the Delhi friends also chipped in. Why did the heart not bleed similarly for another Noojie who brought in a complaint against another former SC judge? Her case was clocked out through "process" while another one happily enjoyed state facilitated jaunt in Canada. A certain insider and a former IAS wrote about this among other shocking details. Why was the defamation case not pursued against him in Cal HC zealously?

SC ruled that article 21 and 19 are enforceable against individuals too. And there was a major judgement on recognising right to privacy as part of art 21 in the putaswamy case. Does this mean that this right can be accessible against private individuals too. For eegxample if someone eveals another person's personal information without their consent

Hey there, I can only imagine the frustration and disappointment you feel. Sometimes I experience similar feelings when interviewing laterally as a mid-level. Unfortunately PPO recommendation to job offer isn't as smooth a journey as one would wish, and all that matters is that you do your best. The fact that you reached PPO interview stage is a good sign that people liked your work and saw you as a potential asset to the team among the dozens of interns they have in a year. Ordinarily HR doesn't make decisions on accepting or rejecting PPO candidates. I spent a few years assisting in PPO recruitments when I was at a T1 firm and these are a few things I've observed in cases where offers weren't made after PPO:

1. The team was actually interviewing ~4-10 interns they liked over the year but only intended to make 1-2 offers.

2. The intern got positive recommendations from all the associates but the interviewing partner was not satisfied with the answer to a technical question.

3. The intern was well liked by the associates, interviewing partners, but some senior partner having influence over the recruiting process preferred that the fresher be in top 20% of their batch, or preferred students from some college.

4. The team decided they didn't need as many first years joining due to external factors (state of economy, attrition in the team, partners split or quit the firm, teams got restructured) so they ended the process.

If you really loved that team, you can always add some members on LinkedIn, or email a few people who gave you work letting them know that you didnt make it through the interview but would like to be considered for an opportunity in the future. T1 firms experience 50-60% attrition within the first 2 years anyway lol.

I agree with this. I’ve been thinking about it for quite some time. Litigation lawyers tend to be much happier after 40, after the initial struggle, since anyone who has worked hard by then has built a client base, become independent, and are generally quite satisfied. They are also more passionate about their work.

Committee selections depend on whether you know the Convenor/Past Convenor of the Committees. This is the only way to get into committees in almost all colleges. So don't judge yourself by committee selections, that's the worst metric. It does not even add any value to your CV. The admin has glorified it so that they can get these jobs done by students for free. Recruiters don't give a damn.

2023 batch - bumper hiring - look at old articles - 200 freshers joining

2024 batch - no slump - around 100 freshers (which is usual)

usual expectation is having 50-60 percent retention at the end of year 1 and 15-20 percent by end of year 2. But this expectation works out when the offers in the first place are made to top 10-15 rankers of a batch in top few NLUs. these kids ultimately have the risk taking ability, merit and qualifications for other things (LLM, Litigation, alternate careers). Not that other kids are not good, they just need to stay a little longer to shed the disadvantage that their lower rank/university puts them at in the eyes of those assessing.

Also biggest reason is an anticipation of market slowdown - I dont think (those familiar with numbers may elaborate since LI does not do the scoreboard anymore) it is happening but everybody is anticipating

ayooo- its just CAM. its a lala shop. there are better things to go after and aspire to. its okay to ask yourself what you couldve done better, but honestly rejections are part of your career. go distract yourself for a day or so and then make a plan for how you will bounce back. this isnt the lifeending thing youre making it out to be.

Keep your head up OP.

These offers will come and go, what matters is your perseverance and how you deal with these situations.

There are many ways to get to T1s, I'm sure you'll find yours.

On a different note, as some have pointed out already, CAM is particularly fixated on batch ranks, so not being among the Top 5/10 ranks of your college is kind of a deal-breaker for them, even with stellar internship performance and presentation reviews.

Additionally, it may help to reach out to your original reporting partner/team member (who gave you the PPO recommendation) and try to explain the present situation to them and ask if they could look into it or put in a word for you with HR. It's definitely a long shot, but one worth taking nonetheless.

All the very best for your future endeavours though.

You will definitely move onto better and bigger things!

Senior partners are nice and work hard. There are 4 SAs, some do their work well, ▮▮▮. There are too many associates, and promotions are unclear. Most associates just try to please seniors. Nobody shouts in the team, but the culture is very passive aggressive, not only from seniors but also among peers. There are hierarchy problems that cause resentment, not just between partners and juniors, but also within the same level. “You scratch my back and I yours” culture. Team is too big, and because of that the chain of command often gets missed during staffing.Work is fine. Amazon is a big client, but they have other clients too.

Is that so? Compare the earningsof the top litigation lawyers andtop law firm partners. Top litigation lawyers earn anywhere between 100-600cr a year. Law firm.partners? No one takes away even 100 cr. Thats the same for even mid level and low level top litigaion lawyers v. Law fir partners. Now who is earning peanuts throughout their life? In litigation, you age like wine and keep charging more as you age. Something you can't do in law firms unless your name is on the wall. If your name is not on the wall, regardless of whether you are a partner, you'll still be an employee

You are correct. I'll add to it. In 10-20 years of you passing out, you'd have become a partner. An equity partner perhaps. At a firm where you are just a partner, and your name isn't on the wall. You may bring in 10-20cr a year, but you'll have to bring in atleast 2-3x the revenue to take away that. Next, you may bill your clients heavily, but as you age, for the same work, you'll charge more and more. The same work can be done by some junior partner for a lesser fee. There goes a few clients (though you'll retain a majority of them). Picture this: you are in your 40s/50s. Your kids are settled. You earn decently (10-20cr) in tosay's money. But, your counterparts in litigation - who do all sorts of works and go to court and argue, and don't do clerical work like you- the ones who have become successful - would be earning atleast twice of what you are. And as they grow, they'll earn even more. Compare the earnings of the top litigators and the top law firm partners. You'll see the former outearns the latter in a ratio of anywhere between 6:1 to 3:1. And its the same for mid and C- level top lawyers.

Very much needed. In fact, its sad that this system of attorneys and the exam in calcutta has been banned. These solicitors, after passing the exam, which is a rigorous exercise, learn alot. It allows them to learn alot and do alot more than other run of the mill AORs atleast in the original side. Their training speaks of their work ethic. Its utterly sad that the system bas been discontinued in calcutta and there are no such exams there. The quality of solicitors has fallen. Added benefit ofc is you become an AoR in SC.