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Reinforces that STEM is the way to go to make a lot of money young. Finance and MBA too. Don't think law comes close. We really need to reform the Indian legal system and give young lawyers more opportunities to make it big. They won't make as much money as Silicon Valley bros, but let them at least make enough to own a Merc and a good apartment by age 30/35?
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/who-is-aravind-srinivas-youngest-billionaire-on-hurun-india-rich-list-2025-9377349?pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories
Why are they tolerating all this BS when they can very easily step out.
Mumbai office is entirely being run by BJ and his partners. All he need to do is to dissociate himself from S&P and rename the office from S&P to J&P. I'm certain almost all Mumbai partners, entire admin team, and even some Delhi partners will stick with him instead of staying back at S&P.
Reason: He actually has clients (and good ones). He has the business mindset, he knows how to generate revenue and despite being so senior, he always treats even his juniormost associates professionally and with respect. MS on the other side, doesn't even respect the senior partners. He thinks everyone is his slave.
At this point, it's kinda embarrassing to tell anyone that we work at S&P, after all that Legally speaking fiasco and now this. He never learns from his mistakes.
@BJ - this is my genuine advise and request that you break out and make your own firm. Nothing needs to be changed, except the name of the office. Entire staff, entire team, everyone is going to stay with you. You just need to take this bold step.
Shed the constant negativity. It's not good for your physical or mental health. Think positive and you too will be happy and successful.
you can name drop the college and flex when the judge hammers you, "sir, I went to Balliol and they definitely do not define res judicata as such"
barring SKD and Sinha the rest of the outsiders are are people who are hardly known.
may be the deteriorating academic standards are a product of the quality of insiders the place has.
Two - You aren't coming from a neutral space, you have a clearly biased view towards one side of the litigants and a possible fan worshipping for DYC.
And that's what all your statements are for.
Curative petition can be filed on very limited grounds. The grounds to find it have to be found in the judgment, not by comments of its authors.
The intention of the legislature, for instance, has to be decided from the words in the statute, not a minister's address in the Parliament. (That's also one of the ways, but not the first way. )
If someone has to file curative, they'll have to find the grounds in the words of the judgment. Not in the words of the author given in the interview.
Also, saw some lawyers and academics who are influencers. Is the lawfirm and jindal life really that good?
A lot of young A0-A1 may be able to advise you on that.
Probably all people here who are saying GNLU is better is most likely from GNLU.
To me it seems a lot of these old law firm partner uncles and aunties with FOMO are falling for verbose and fancy marketing and just buying wrappers of existing AI. Its like Xiaomi or Samsung charging a premium claiming that their OS is better, when fundamentally its just android with a skin aka theme with add ons.
I ask this because, one Techbro on my LinkedIn keeps yapping about his product's capabilities. And I always end up thinking to myself, what more can it do that a Claude or a Chatgpt or Deepseek can't do? Its just a question of the correct prompt. Are you paying a premium because your associates can't prompt? Its the same as not being able to use Westlaw and Manupatra.
I agree, you can train it on your law firm's database and make it use "Firm Formatting". But dear law firm uncle, do you know that you can self host an LLM which will keep your data safe AND DO THE SAME THING?? All for free!? i don't know what you're paying such a Bajillion premium dollars for.
I remember talking to a fellow some years back, his aim was to collect all law firm precedents - surreptitiously, and feed to his database and create his own AI tech. So, uncles be careful and make sure data sharing is ironclad. Get it audited and all.
Disclosure:
I'd like to say I haven't used any AI tech. But, I would also like to tell you that I am a seasoned corporate lawyer with about 9-10 PQE. I also am a tech "enthusiast", meaning at a basic level I can code SBCs like Arduino, esp32. I am comfortable with deploying linux servers, docker, self hosted softwares etc. I say this to let you know, that I do know my tech. I have been using Linux by myself since 2008.
Now, I also love Chatgpt, Deepseek, Claude etc., I use them a lot in daily life instead of google nowadays. I also use them to draft and find references etc.
Personally, I have not really used an AI Legal tool yet. I have found existing free options more than sufficient. Neither for drafting nor for legal research, it's unlikely that I will use it or need to use it in the future, given the trajectory of my life.
re OP, this has been discussed before: most RW vs LW vs blabla posts will be automatically marked trollish because they're usually off topic and not relevant or interesting to most readers, and are usually posted to provoke a flame war.
"We don't need Oxford-educated judges like Ruma Pal, or sophisticated lawyers like KKV on the governing body. We are happy with non-fancy, local people like Kalyan Banerjee and Sanjay Basu. Also, MP Singh is overrated, Sudhir is overrated etc etc.."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-deal-with-harvard-university-is-close-trump-says
Okay, so who is this guy? NKC should definitely do something about this? And notice how the surnames change in the same article?
Then again if NKC did look like this would things have been more.....
The SJA has already failed the GB multiple times by failing to produce evidence of wrongdoing by the VC. They squandered their opportunity in the GC and then tried to wing it by organising meaningless protests. Now no one takes us seriously. We have become a laughing stock. All thanks to SJA.
If we truly want to go after a rotten system (and not just an individual) then we need to cancel SJA from the equation. It serves the interest of ▮▮▮ who have a cozy relationship with the powers that be. ▮▮▮.
A GB full of headless chickens and sheep is feast for the Lecters in SJA, faculty and admin ranks. On Oct 16 when the EC will do zilch and the VC will throw a few morsels to SJA for onward transmission to GB, then we will see how the planned student action begins from Nov 1.
NKC will not resign on Oct 16. He will be given an honourable exit. Even PIB got one and the illegality of SAK continuing as Registrar for years also did not get recorded in the minutes. Ofc it is a different matter what was verbally discussed and why SAK scooted.
It is time to disband the SJA.
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And here's the one by HNLU, sung by Shaan. https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/hnlu-raipur-gets-its-own-law-school-anthem-20180806-9484
Who wins? 🤣
IMO both have cringe lyrics and a weak melody. But the one by Jindal is in English and has classy instrumentation (sitar and tabla), whereas the one by HNLU is in Hindi with cheesy Bollywood sax and keyboard. Also, the Jindal singers are students, whereas the HNLU VC paid money to Shaan to sing, which led to student protests.🥲 So Jindal wins for better use of resources and better instrumentation?
Whereas, during my tenure at an institution of higher learning, I resided in a shared dormitory with communal bathroom facilities that were, in many instances, not subject to adequate maintenance or cleanliness standards. In light of these circumstances, I, in my capacity as a person seeking to maintain both hygiene and dignity, took measures to alleviate the discomfort caused by the unsanitary state of the aforementioned facilities.
Specifically, I engaged in the practice of disposing of certain bodily fluids in the basin, as this method was, at the time, the most reasonable and effective means to fulfill my physiological needs, given the prevailing conditions. This action, though initially performed out of necessity, has since evolved into a habitual behavior, carried over into subsequent living arrangements, including my tenure at a paying guest accommodation ("PG") and my current domicile.
Today, while engaged in a separate and unrelated activity (specifically, the consumption of food), I found myself once again executing this action, which I now refer to as a "milestone" in the continued existence of this routine. The act of liquid waste disposal, though performed without deliberate intent, has become a matter of reflexive action—an automatic response to a long-standing habit formed under specific environmental conditions.
While the action itself is not inherently damaging or unlawful, I hereby seek counsel on the appropriate course of action to terminate this persistent practice. I request insight into whether this behavior may be categorized as an "unlawful habit" or whether there exist any established psychological, behavioral, or rehabilitative methods for the cessation of such a deeply rooted routine.
Further, I am interested in determining whether such habitual conduct might be construed as a defense to negligence, should it ever come under scrutiny in a future scenario.
I await any expert opinions or precedents that may assist in resolving this matter.
https://www.news18.com/business/real-estate/at-rs-500-crore-this-ultra-luxury-apartment-will-be-indias-costliest-ws-kl-9604238.html
Secondly, MoGo was a youth Congress activist in his student days and later headed the Congress-aligned think tank the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation. Also close to RaGa. Google and check it out.
MoGo 🤝 RaGa.
And when SC judge in the GC wanted evidence what did the SJA and the faculty do? I care abt the faculty as much they care about us. But SJA? They must pay the price of breaking out trust and making us run and look like headless chickens.
And now get to know that the headless chickens actually made 65 demands? Not that 47 demands made things sound or look better. Still what are these demands that couldn't even be mentioned in the media and not even when a student wrote on The Wire?
Where is the KO evidence? The lack of it clearly ensured that SJA was rightly fobbed off by the GC and now VC feels confident to organise interviews and dog whistle threats. He had indicated similarly through brief statements to Indian Express and TT.
Now the VC is unlikely to be given marching orders on Oct 16. So the farcical Oct 31 ultimatum of the SJA will fall flat. What then? Will it go against the EC? Will SJA litigate in Cal HC and SC esp when it cannot even produce the so called incriminating evidence before us; before GC; and before the media during the protests.
Kick out this SJA.
The big question is where is the much promised smoking gun? Does SJA have it? Show it or resign en masse. Doesn't matter which faculty hearsay was acted upon. Out the faculty too.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-firms-to-consider-shifting-work-to-india-as-trump-hikes-h1-b-visa-fee-9369365?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
Currently, I have a good CGPA, I am among the top 15 students in my batch and I have built a good CV. I am now in my 4th year with 3–4 upcoming Tier 1 internships. My concern is whether this incident will create a problem during background checks by firms. On my marksheet, that particular paper shows an "R" (which simply means Repeat).
I would really appreciate any advice on this.
Like, what all does work usually entail, how demanding can they be etc.
Also, can people do 2 virtual internships simultaneously? or can they do one virtual and one physical internship simultaneously? (asking in terms of feasibility)
Also please suggest some good leads for virtual internships under SC or Delhi HC advocates.
Merit and scholarship has taken a back seat at NUJS ,the incumbent Vc has managed to bring it to the levels of a Hazra Law College of the 80-90s or Law Department of Burdawan University or a KIIT Law school or even perhaps a Hoogly Mohsin College.
From the hey days of Menon, Chimni and Singh to this.Its really regrettable.IIM Calcutta has never got influenced or pressured by the local State Govt or any other entities.NLUs should start looking at how IITs or IIMs are run and accordingly choose a managing model where there will be a better interface between industry and academic sans politics and people who have political agendas.
But I'll point out two issues with the same - if you solely do Tribunal practice, you will face the following:
1. Overdependence on the Tribunal and restricted scope of work - you may specialise and be the best there, but your scope of work is limited, and if someday the work order of the Tribunal changes, you'll be affected, like if the Tribunal is done away with and matters go to HCs/Civil Courts.
2. Being tagged a Tribunal lawyer and Senior Designation - being called/labelled a tribunal lawyer is frowned upon. Someone practising in HC/SC may be briefed in a matter in a Tribunal and while they may not have much knowledge, they'll earn their fees (which will be more than what they charge in the HC/SC/wherever they are practising) and steal the show, and second, senior designations are still based on the HC/SC practice. Very few tribunal lawyers get designated. So that risk is there.
Law is a profession. Litigation, of all career paths, is the only example of that - professionals charge 'fees' for their services. These professionals may have people working under and for them - commonly called chamber juniors. Only in Delhi do they have a practice, which IMO is the worst - where they pay the juniors and in most cases, don't allow them to take up matters on their own. Go to any other city, especially those with a chartered HC, they have a system where the junior charges his own fee from the client/solicitor - which not only grants them independence but also gives a sense of achievement. If you don't understand this feeling, it's fine, there aren't many who get it. Its not a parochial system so as to speak, but those who have been here - whether nepo or not, have appreciated it and considered it better since it allows for a healthy system of competition and growth. Hence, since these advocates, aka professionals, can charge fees, they don't have a salary. This so called industry standard may be in Delhi, but that's for there only with limited presence in other cities.
Second, yes, the earnings are low in the initial years. No doubt about that. But please appreciate - there is a tradeoff. Yes, you would rely on your parents money in the initial few years and earn peanuts, but after that gestation period is over, you will have no limits on how much you earn. Anyone decently successful in litigation earns more, if not equal to anyone in any other career path in law. You have a valid point on not wanting to earn peanuts after spending alot on college - but that was entirely your choice to go to a college which has such high fees, and second, to not want to trade off the low earnings in initial years for earning in crores later. Money aside, litigation is far better than any other career path in law - which other career path has made so many lawyers who are politicians, AGs/SGs/Judges, Senior Advocates, are people known to the commoners, and contribute to the development of law? You see money is said to be the only constraint in litigation - but that has been addressed - post gestation period, there is no limit to your earnings. Other than that - litigation in terms of the nature and scope of work, the respect in society, the other career paths it opens, cannot be matched by anything else in law.
I am from a T1 city, and here, majority of those who go to DRT and NCLT primarily practice at the HC, and then go NCLT, again, for the two reasons I mentioned in the comment above. The fees for such tribunal's appearances are usually 1.5x of what they charge per appearance for a HC. As for the fee structure, a raw junior with less than a years' experience charges about 1000-1500 (please note that the Solicitors directly pay the junior, there is no so called 'salary' system) and that of an advocate who is independent with 5-10 years' experience is about 8000-20000 per appearance. The 20+ year experience ones and designated seniors obviously start from 50k and it goes to lakhs per appearance. This was for NCLT. I believe DRT would be the same.
For NCLAT, I can only speak of the designated seniors. Its easily 3-4 Lakh plus per appearance.
On speculation - No. 6 entails a whole spectrum of different things - from working as a journalist to being a content creator. There is no way to comment on that. Any rational person would understand that.
On the part where you say there is no coherence - let me make it clear if you failed to understand - those in litigation cannot be considered to be out of work - you are in a profession - you go to courts/tribunals/forums/arbitrations, do conferences, etc. - that's your work. The volume may decrease, like it did during covid - and as such, the earnings would reduce, because hey, they are getting less matters to do. As for salaries - the sentence is clear and logically sound - there are no salaries in a profession, there are only fees - this is a basic Class 11 business studies knowledge. Even if someone did not take commerce, as someone who did a professional course, like your goodself, you should be able to understand and KNOW that. What does that have to do with a recession - as I clearly stated - that during times of economic crises, for someone who is a junior, they may have less work because of the crises and as such earn less
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The VC issue is kinda settled. It is now time to scrutinize the role of SJA brass. They should all be thrown out en masse. Because they are charlatans and allowed known manipulators in the faculty to sabotage GB. Most importantly their heads should roll for not producing documents that conclusively prove allegations of financial mismanagement by NKC. Just like no one believes NKC, it is equally hard to believe that SJA wasn't his conniving partner and a beneficiary.
1. Nature of work and Scope of Career Growth: Litigation, depending on any practice area, allows you to explore the nuances of the law in detail, argue the case for someone, or defend someone in say a losing case, and help contribute to the law and its growth. It is the reason why law is called a noble profession. Law firms, instead focus on work which are restricted to a set domain where you don't have any such serious application of mind and creativity, and mostly is monotonous in nature. On career, anyone successful in litigation has various doors which gets opened to him/her - empanelment, Judgeship, and the constitutional posts of AG/Adv General/etc. Of course, you also have senior designation coming their way. In law firms, you do nothing other than becoming a Partner.
2. Money - Yes, law firms usually pay much more, but that's true only for the first few years. Take any two similarly successful lawyers in a law firm and litigation - you will see the former outearning the latter by a huge margin in the initial years. However, 10-15 years down the line, that reverses. The counsels start outearning the partners. By a huge margin.
3. Nepotism - Law itself is a profession known for nepotism. Is nepotism now not there in other fields? Yes they are. Do they complain? Maybe, may be not. Irrelevant. However, you see the law firms are equally into nepotism since they are family run firms mainly and secondly, they would have someone coming from their family or have to please a client and hence bring in someone there. Litigation is a leveler - yes, nepotism gives a headstart - but they only help inthe initial years - you may get a chamber, may have money, may get clients/briefs - but, after a few years, if you, despite having all of these - still cannot work hard, you'll not succeed. So, despite the notion that nepo babies are lucky - which they are - they make their own careers. And it is not that every nepo baby has succeeded. There are multiple failures too. Obviously, names cannot be taken here, but you go to any court and ask around - you'll get answers.
Sure, I'll go learn constitutional law. You please go and continue censoring comments because that's what you love the most.
Has the same spam being posted here? No? I believe you can read, and I don't see any such spam here. There is no reason to mark that comment as trollish then. Other than, perhaps, you having any issues.
If this comment is published without being censored, we'll know that you help engage in meaningful discussion, since all the 3 points you made have no relevance/justification, and I make a genuine attempt to show you that
Creates a very bad impression and will create only problems in future. It appears that he is looking at short term solutions and while doing so, he is aggravating the people who are actually bedrock of the firm.
Buddy, your propaganda ain’t gonna work. NUJS students and alumni unanimously want an NLU-alum VC. And yes, we would much rather have a “phoren” educated VC rather than one with a jugaad PhD from Hazra or North Bengal (the VC of the latter was arrested in connection with the West Bengal teacher recruitment scam).
1. Complete non-transparency in VC appointment. NLSIU’s VC appointment panel had KK Venugopal, MP Singh and the DYC. Why not here?
2. Why the NUJS governing body had eminent legal luminaries of national standing in the Left Front years but is today filled with mediocre TMC lackeys. People on the governing body during the Left Front years included KKV, Justice Ruma Pal, former SG Dipankar Gupta etc etc.
3. Non-involvement of alumni in college functioning and faculty recruitment.
It’s such a tragedy that Kian isn’t around any more! During his time, LI was an activist website that held VCs accountable.
https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/law-school-interviews/i-have-proof-of-instigation-under-fire-nujs-vice-chancellor-prof-nk-chakrabarti
2. How much does a junior in the chamber get paid? Does it go anywhere close to how much B&B reported?
3. Apart from data related and electricity matters, what other matters does Mr. Poovayya appear in? Is he looking to expand his subject base or is he specialising in niche?
4. What are the timings in the chamber? Cause if it as per How B&B reported it, it would be the most chill IMO.
5. What are the prospects of professional growth in the Chambers?
6.How is he as a mentor?
Even your analysis makes no sense. You say No. 6 is "too broad" so you wouldn't want to speculate. Isn't the entirety of your answer...speculation? Besides, if you didn't want to speculate, why write about it in the first place?
Your line of reasoning has no coherence. You've said "[w]hile they will not be out of work, their earnings may reduce, but since its a profession, they have no salaries" in a single sentence. What does part A and B have to do with part C and D have to do with...a recession. What does anything have to do with anything.
I'm sorry, I've had a fifteen hour day and I was trying to scroll through LI to take a break before sleeping. Your answer broke me. I couldn't resist responding. I hope you're not a lawyer yet. Dear God.
2. I think you know that the India part of this argument is not entirely true. The reality of how India works is that a lot of partnership sort of opportunities comes by licking the backsides of the right people and having the right contacts.