"I’m asking because I always wanted to pursue Law through the NLUs, but I couldn’t clear those entrance exams and ended up pursuing CA instead—which, honestly, I’m quite grateful for today."

Yeah, so grateful that even after a decade of doing not-law, you're at an anonymous legal discussion forum, asking how much your law equivalent-peers make, even after spending a decade in a not-law industry. Life may have given you 'uninflated' and 'higher' numbers, but it still never gave you contentment and that is why you're here. You're not even asking a question here, you're just talking to yourself, trying to understand why, despite the higher numbers, you aren't happy.

So to answer a question you didn't actually ask: Lawyers make enough to make your skin crawl and your hands scroll LI even after all this time.

Hi,

1. Provisional Degree Certificate

2. Address Proof (Both current and permanent)

3. Any document as identity proof (Aadhar card, EPIC card, Passport etc.)

4. PAN Card

5. AIBE Result (varies from firm to firm)

6. Bar Council Enrolment Certificate (within 6 months of joining the firm)

6. Stock & MF holdings disclosure for Insider Trading Form (also your parents and siblings if they are financially dependent on you or they take your advice for trading)

Hi everyone. Recently I have been seeing a lot of push from career gurus and course sellers , towards DPDP and broader Data Protection related courses saying that they are not veterans here, you can be the leader in this sector in future , etc. Ofcourse there might be exaggerated but it got me curious. What do you think is the future for Data Protection lawyers in India. Especially ones in law firms. Will they ever reach the level of major practice areas like M&A, GenCorp, Capmarks, B&F, RealEstate, etc or will they be underpaid like IPR?

State your opinions with reasons.

Hi everyone, I'm a BO25 law graudate, been working with a Senior Advocate who primarily does Insolvency Litigation in the NCLAT but also lots of Company Law and other matters, I would like to know if there is any way for me to switch to Disputes or IBC teams in any T1/T2 firms?
I have gained a fair bit of understanding and have been a part of many high profile matters, drafted some WSs but not too much drafting otherwise. I'm paid fairly above what can be expected from litigation but ofc it's less than half of what you'd get in a firm, I'm willing to discount my 1PQE. Any guidance as to what my options are and how I could go about this? Preferably Mumbai. Thanks in advance!

Although I hate studycelling, you are unfortunately right. There is no other metric available nowadays especially with advent of AI. Before that atleast I could have said publications. But don't you think Internship experience counts? Especially if the person has one or more callbacks?

This is a embarrassingly insecure take. Imagine publicly admitting that thought-provoking assignments are "too hard" for you, and then trying to blame your whole university for your own personal limit. Speak for yourself buddy. Plenty of NLU as well as Non-NLU students handle high-level rigor just fine without needing to hide behind Stanford's name to justify taking simple shortcuts. Imagine having such a batchmate. I really pity TNNLU 23 folks.

All the numbers I see here are either heavily inflated or too low.

I’m currently working at EY in the Strategy and Transactions division (Deal Advisory) as an AVP, and compensation up to the Director level is fairly well known. Directors typically make around ₹60–70 lakh in base salary, with a 40–50% year-end bonus, bringing total compensation (TC) to roughly ₹1–1.2 crore.

A person typically makes Director at around 10–11 YOE here, given the up-or-out policy. However, things change significantly at the Partner level.

Partner fixed compensation is broadly equal across service lines, with a minimum of around ₹1.5 crore fixed. Keep in mind that it generally takes around 14–15 YOE to make Partner here, compared with roughly 10–12 YOE at Tier 1 law firms.

However, Partner compensation is not really about the fixed salary. Profit sharing and bonuses are exponentially higher than the base.

For context, my Partner currently makes around ₹7.5 crore annually, and he isn’t even a rainmaker. He has around 23 YOE, including 10 years as a Partner. The rainmakers, particularly National Heads, are reportedly clearing ₹15–20 crore annually.

My Partner also closes approximately ₹40 crore in annual books.

So, what do rainmaking Partners at Tier 1 law firms actually make? I am guessing between 10-30cr (it's a broad range I know)

I’m asking because I always wanted to pursue Law through the NLUs, but I couldn’t clear those entrance exams and ended up pursuing CA instead—which, honestly, I’m quite grateful for today.

For Fintech, the partner has recently joined the firm and is looking to build a team. So, if you are specifically interested in the Fintech space, it could be a good gamble and an opportunity to work closely with someone who is actively building the practice.

That being said, there is a possibility that you may also end up working with the GC team, which may not necessarily be ideal given the level of attrition currently happening at the firm.

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The upside, though, is that working with them could give you a lot of hands-on exposure. You may find yourself handling matters almost entirely from start to finish, which can significantly build your confidence and technical skills. ▮▮▮

Exactly. I never had a LinkedIn profile or a tier 1 internship, but was the first one to get an offer during Day 0, that too from an NLU considered to be lower tier from the people in this forum. I had interned in multiple chambers and was diligent with my work. I guess that helped.

Causelist here:

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https://www.barandbench.com/news/calcutta-hc-justice-suvra-ghosh-alleges-tmc-leaders-lawyer-tried-to-access-records-from-her-chamber-in-collusion-with-her-private-secretary

ELP is in crisis. Three senior equity partners, all of them in the Managing Committee, are moving to Dhruva Advisors. Two of these three are Co-Heads of ELP's tax practice, which is ELP's flagship practice. The 3rd partner co-heads ELP's Trade practice, which includes Competition Law. Essentially the Tax, Trade and Competition Law teams are moving to Dhruva. ELP's Managing Partner, let's call him SAN for the sake of sanity, is also a Trade and Competition lawyer, though his bio on ELP's page has a grandiose description - "His work is across M&A, regulatory, securities law, trade and competition laws". Of late, SAN has been pretending to be a litigator and speaking at ADR and Arbitration seminars and piling on with the corporate partners when they negotiate deals. If SAN could also move with the three partners who are moving (mind you, I don't think they want him), the second Co-Founder (let's call him Sword since he is sharp as a sword, though very lazy) will have a fighting chance to hold the rest of ELP and rebuild it. Maybe, T could take the Rest to the law firm that his father founded and has a very good name in the market?

Will MBA at my age be acceptable.

Next year cat so mba by 29 . Still Employable?

As this year slim chance of T1 MBA .

Or You don't recommend any gap year now as already old.

If recommend gap year what to do next year as in give govt exam like ssc cgl and switch if get it or just single focus on cat.

Thanks for such detailed answer .

I be 29 in MBA too though as giving MBA this year in nov and getting T1 B school chance is slim. Is it ok to be 29 in MBA with no work ex.

Btw what to do in this remaining year give govt exams like ssc cgl, bank etc or just prep for MBA and no other exam in between. What if I crack some govt in this one year exam take that job??

Or you suggesting MBA from T1 this year only anf don't suggest one more gap year at this age.

But then those with high cgpa might not gamble with themselves by settling for NDA. With the kind of situation NDA is in right now with many seniors leaving in quick succession, there are not too many options other than picking these 'highly talented' people with 'low cgpa.' Weird but high talent comes at the cost of low cgpa :)

Gaurav Mitra is now designated senior.

Only few aged arguing counsels left in delhi like Abhishek Anand, Sandeep Bajaj and Sumesh Dhawan.

Biswajit Dubey also is good.

If slightly younger lot then can consider someone like Tishampati Sen, Gaurav H Sethi or Chitranshul Sinha.

Other names in the thread are generally filing counsels and not seen them much doing final hearings.

Advice for you is that if you are from a Non NLU, use a referral. You likely won't have a good alumni based unless you are from somewhere like Symbi or Jindal (which I don't think you are from).

If you currently don't have referral, search for one among your contacts / extended network, or make new friends/connections who might give you a referral

Sorry for judging. But the way you articulated this sounds like your mind is running helter skelter. But if this is your standard writing sample, then presumably corporate law is not going to be your forte.

But regardless of that, law isn't the best degree you want to choose at this age of you want to earn money. You would be 29 by the time you graduate and 3 year batch at NLS is not the same as BA.LLB batch in terms of placements. Also as an old person with no contacts you would most probably be a victim of ageism in the sector and would have to constantly justify the gap years everywhere you go. Try for MBA

I have bluffed a lot on my cv, but i was able to answer the questions, cause i studied the law and asked all my friends who are doing the kind of work i wish to.

Bluffing is the worst, but the competition is so so so cut throat, its not possible to not bluff.

Ethically i agree with you. but practically i differ.

Nathan Cofnas tweeted: "I was just suspended by Ghent University. They will almost certainly fire me. The decision was made by rector Petra De Sutter, a former leader of the Green Party."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cevmrjd9lj1o

https://x.com/gautambhatia88/status/2090398094957646141

https://x.com/nathancofnas/status/2090416033072861245

Here are a few examples of how you could catch a bad boss or a bad team early on based on your interview:

1. The partner or interviewer does not encourage you to ask questions or responds to your questions ambiguously or in very brief without revealing too much info- that means there could be lack of transparency 2. Everything about the partner or the team sounds too hunky dory - don’t fall for angel or smiley faces- sometimes the angry birds are better bosses or mentors may be just overworked or frustrated

3. The interviewer is moving very fast with the whole process - I.e., they make you an offer within 2-3 weeks or even less; this could mean there is lot of attrition and/or team is severely understaffed

4. You are not asked too many questions at the interview or there is no technical round- you could end up doing only grunt work for sometime -you will be nothing but a cog in a wheel

5. The partner/interview does not have any specific expectations from the candidate- his or her wish list regarding the candidate is abstract or unclear - leadership has no vision for the team or doesn’t care if the team members fit in

6. The interviewer keeps cutting you or interrupting you while you speak, additional questions are asked before you could complete your response - very poor communication skills - big red flag

7. No questions are asked about your family or personal life or hobbies or interests or future plans - you’ll be only slogging in the factory

8. You are called for an interview with one partner but end up interviewing with and /or getting an offer from another partner in a different team- this could mean the partner whose team you’ll be joining doesn’t have a good reputation

9. You are told that your previous experience doesn’t count even though you are not changing practice areas - you will be assigned grunt work or there will be too much micromanagement

10. While speaking to the partner you suddenly don’t feel like yourself or you are either too nervous or too confused as compared to your interviews with other partners and you can’t understand why -trust your gut instinct- basically the partner could be a red flag for your mental well being or your nervous system

11. The partner is not too old but still looks like he or she doesn’t take care of his or her health - looks too unhealthy, too worn out or too tired - so there could be no regard to your physical health and you taking care of yourself could be frowned upon

12. The practice area you are being hired for is not the core or main practice area of the main partner- this could become a major concern later on if the firm is a tier 1

**The list is endless but if you notice something weird or feel something is off during your interview itself then please dig deeper

Don’t trust reviews on LI blindly but don’t completely disregard them either- do a proper investigation regarding the partner and team through your batchmates and friends- recruiters shouldn’t be trusted at all

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Try internally. First hurdle will be to manage your own partnership. Then convincing the GC partners will be a task because the A1 there will have better skills than you. But can understand the sentiment given the current situation of competition law. Future also seems bleak (even with the passing of the Digital Competition Bill).

Could get into litigation with a commercial disputes and antitrust - centric practice. There are numerous people doing that such as Arjun Krishnan, Udayan Jain, Sn Adv. Samar Bansal, Manu Chaturvedi and Sn Adv. Balbir Singh. This would constantly keep you in touch with competition law while giving you an opportunity to grow as a litigating lawyer. Your firm experience of handling Competition enforcement case would help you excel in this ig.

People say gpa don’t matter but it does. NDA is going wrong here only. GPA shows how consistent you were in the years of your law school. It shows how good you are in wide variety of courses testing your all round knowledge and proficiency in law. And now selecting candidates with gpa as close to just barely passing does not make sense. They might work hard and turn out to be amazing in future. But in present these candidates are the worst choice the worst gamble.

TLDR:

- GCs shrinking annually

- Muslims increasing by a big number annually

- OBCs increasing by a humungous number annually

He says the third statistic is humanly impossible and hints at GCs being reclassified as OBCs.

If this is the case, then can we infer:

- This is happening mostly in the Hindi belt, given the demographics and Mandal politics?

- That the OBC quota is being dominated by this region?

- That a lot of the OBCs are reclassifed GCs?

Anyone in NLUs care to opine?

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Prof Hazare back in the day used to be an absolute legend. Sad the Symbi politics forced him out. Apart from him the obvious ones are Prof Arya (Torts), Prof Abhyankar (Criminal Law) and this one visiting professor we had for International Banking and Finance (sadly I’m blanking out on her name)