You didn't mention a single objective fact that makes NLUD a better choice. All rhetoric and no substance. Participate in institution building? NUJS students have always been doing that with way more freedom and autonomy than NLUD students ever did. Placement? Other than UPSC, which other kind of career has seen NLUD students doing better exactly? From litigation to judiciary to politics to policy bodies to LLM scholarships to entrepreneurship, every field has NUJS students doing better. NLUD students just feel like saying that they are better without any stats to back it up at all. As for being number one, it's position as number 2 as per NIRF is also based on lies and fake data, so nobody actually believes it anyway.

I would say that Sudhir and his generation are not friendly to NALSAR and other NLUs. Had they been, NLSIU would not have contended before the Karnataka High Court that only NLSIU is a national University and others a state universities. Sudhir would also not have pulled out from CLAT. I think Sudhir and his generation have a big chip on their shoulder about NLSIU being vastly superior.

We have a situation where people would have ordinarily made it to the top 10 NLUs had there been no reservation (e.g. CLAT rank 1000 to 1,500) but are now being forced to go to Jindal. We have also seen Jindal grads get several Big 7 offers in recent times. Is there a connection?

Also related: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/258389-at-what-level-of-seniority-in-a-law-firm-will-i-get-the-following-perks

NLSIU- ask you sugar mommy
Nalsar- take loan from your friend
Nujs- get it from your money earned easily without sweating your ass for trisemester lol.
all these Aanlsiuuuu and Nullllsarrrr be hating their asses off to Nujs because we earn almost the same without trisemester hahahah burn bitches

R since you posted this, you should not be not posting this.

These kinda weird people are there in every batch at NLS. Usually they are a minority. However for your batch, it looks like the majority is kinda cringe. Dw about seniors calling out the batch. Make friends with like minded seniors. Cringe or party kids make friends with cringe or party kids, normal kids make friends with normal kids.

As a side note, don't get into fights with seniors, it's very difficult to survive law school without the help of seniors at least for the first year.

Publications are just one aspect of good faculty, JGLS faculty have loads of publications, don't really see any academic rigour among their students. Also, the NUJS faculty are all mostly from in and around West Bengal. NLUD, on the other hand, has quite a few faculty with foreign qualifications and various others from universities across India. And besides, the academic rigour at NLUD is way better thanks to a more serious admin that actually functions in the larger interest of the university. We actually have to study to pass and can't keep interning the whole time for PPOs.

Sorry, but your claims are all just wrong. First, NLUD has performed better in many moot and ADR competitions that NUJS hasn't done well in or won (Man Lachs, OxPrice, OxIP, Warsaw Negotiation, come to mind in the recent past). Second, NUJS is definitely not ahead in foreign placements from London firms either, on average, NLUD in recent years has had atleast 3-4 offers every year which is on par with NLS considering its smaller batch size. Scholarships, maybe historically, NUJS has more by virtue of being much older, but NLUD has had equal numbers in recent years.

And as for placement percentages, just look at this blog: https://lawschoolwizard.wordpress.com/2021/11/23/demystifying-day-zero-batch-of-2022/. Probably the most accurate picture of placements in recent times. NLUD's percentage placed is definitely higher and unlike NUJS and NLUJ, we don't have many tier-2 firms that come for Day-Zero to bump up numbers.

And no, NLUD RCCs has no bar on who sits for placements, many students here voluntarily opt out to try other options. I get that Noojies are insecure since there's very few things that they are actually better at than NLUD now, but that's no reason to spread misinformation. NLUD is well ahead. But nice try at undermining NLUD's achievements to just a "better campus and more funds". Try harder next time. Point being, NLUD is easily the better choice over NUJS anyday. Maybe with NALSAR/NLS, there is a decision to make, but even there NALSAR is also stagnating.

Bangalore native here. Nagarbhavi is far from the city centre area but it is certainly well-connected and quite easily accessible, and is well within Bangalore city limits. NALSAR, on the other hand, is not really within Hyderabad city limits at all. On a related note, this is the problem with LI where people who have hardly been to other cities and NLUs pass judgement saying location is good/bad or that location "doesn't matter".

Related: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/176074-which-law-firm-pays-for-international-business-class-travel-for-associates

Never said Harvard has less comepnsation in USA.

You must be the first person graduating from Harvard and coming back to India but earning the same massive US industry standard package.Startups can be opened by anyone, yours is a stupid take with all due respect.

Can't imagine, sorry.

Agreed with the prestige statement brooooo.

You gave me a tip, I'll give you one. Focus on your reading comprehension, you can really use it.

You either didn't get my comment or are just plain trolling me or misguiding others.

Never said either IIMA or M7 is better. My point is M7 makes sense if you settle abroad which I have reiterated multiple times. IIM makes sense if you plan on settling in India.

Coming to your ROI point:

In absolute terms, yes M7 obviously beats IIM. Big fkn surprise. Average salary in USA is USD 70K, which is more than Rs. 50LPA. So absolute comparison makes little to no sense. So yeah, one can guess that Harvard grads are probably gonna earn more than IIMA if they settle abroad and earn in USD. Also pls note, there is absolutely no way a fresh Harvard graduate entering the workforce is going to earn that same amount in India. Those big packages are only for the US market.

The specific point of ROI should be considered with respect to the total expenses:

In USA, tuition plus other living expenses at an M7 are gonna run you at least USD 200K and the average compensation post MBA will be around USD 180-220K (Base + joining bonus + performance payout). Your ROI in the first year comes out to be 0.9 to 1.1.

IIMA, tuition plus other living expenses are gonna run 28Lakhs and the average compensation post MBA will be around 30 to 34LPA (Total CTC). Your ROI in the first year comes out to be 1.07 to 1.2.

As you can see the ROI is better in a certain college.

So it boils down to like I've mentioned numerous times before, that the ideal college depends on where you want to work and settle.

Don't admire my perseverance. Just read up more.

Not an expert on competitive exams.

Your point about Raghuram Rajan is fallacious at best. Raghuram Rajan left his teaching job to become RBI Governor. He is an example of a non-conventional post MBA career trajectory. People have different aspirations. If they want to go and earn in USD after an M7 MBA, great. If they want to go to IIMA, great. If they want to go to USA to experience the culture, get the degree, pay off the debt, come back to India and earn in INR, great. If they want to go to an M7 and return to India expecting a higher salary than an IIMA grad, good luck.

Hope the OP got what he's looking for. Imma quit this thread.

Ooh from where u get the info that VC banned the cult com, they never ban the cult com the only thing they had done was not allowing too many cult events as previously happened and for ur consideration hnlu this year successfully able to place a minimum of 50% batch with all teir 1 placement except 3 or 4 and the placement u were talking of nluo there half of the placement are from teir3 firms and don't consider that I'm saying that nluo have no teir 1 placements they have but their half of placement were from teir 3 firms

Hmm.

Are you sure you want to keep harping on the various rankings that AZB & it’s Partners (including through various other “investment” entities) “sponsored” subsequent to which your Capital Markets practice was recognised as “number 1”?

Even if you decide to, do remember everyone understands the need for such sponsorships after the Amazon related matter pending before the Delhi HC, but no-one will respect you for having to rely upon such sponsorships to prove credentials.

PS - Have worked on multiple transactions with most of your team (Delhi and Mumbai) and sadly, you guys are no where close to being able to call yourselves a capital markets lawyer in its truest sense. Leave aside coming up with practical solutions and advising the clients basis regulations, your team prefers to become obstructionists by refusing to rely upon written regulations only to bill the clients more by wasting their time.

Hi guys I am currently pursuing Bsc (1st year) in economics at Symbiosis. The only thing that’s nice is faculty. The placement is a big negative. Infra is still decent but my peers are honestly not motivated at all. You will not get any ‘good student’ vibe from us. Plus I tried all the other economics courses at DU , didn’t get to the good ones. Bsc in itself is a dying course and plus I am spending money on symbiosis where this course is not even flagship (unlike law/MBA). Everyone got into SSE. I am really frustrated. I sat for several law entrances , got into sls Nagpur at max. Long story short I am retaking clat again. It’s in late November so it’s not very far. But the problem is I am not very smart when it comes to competitive examinations. So any tips how to go about the Maths section and the GK section especially after the pattern change? I know this isn’t exactly a clat forum but I guess considering my situation , some tips can be of great help. Thank you. If anyone else if preparing for this exam , then kindly drop your anonymous mail here

There is a very simple answer to your question, even though I'm guessing the choice to select your NLU has passed now. While NUJS is still a top NLU given how the others below it present no competition, it has stagnated as a notch below NLS and NALSAR, and it's unlikely that most people will ever regard it as number 1 or even number 2. NLUD, on the other hand, has both the potential and the established drive to become number 1 in the country, although it will not be easy competing with NLS.

Coming to your query, it depends on how satisfied you want to feel after five years. Would you rather join a NLU that is still improving and strives to be the very best across all legal fields or settle for a lazier choice which would help fetch a corporate job slightly more easily? At NLUD, you can actually contribute towards the institution-building process by working hard whereas at NUJS, it feels like it's resigned to being the place with the "highest" placements for jobs which most people quit after 2 years, and not much else different from other NLUs.

And if people are saying that the law school tag doesn't matter and all top NLUs are equal, just look at the pride with which old NLS graduates carry themselves despite having gotten in at a time when law was not even considered prestigious. They're proud since they helped make law a reputable profession based on merit and ability. NLUD is like a new improved force with modern ideas that can become even better, so it's an easy choice over NUJS.

Not to be rhetoric but rather real. Not mentioning basic working hours, for which there is the fixed salary is not just. Why you ask or even are attempting to defend, is because it is exploitation of free labour, which is very evident in legal industry especially encouraged by law firms. Not even mentioning this, makes no recourse possible, even if there is toxicity and free labour for not pay for extra hours of work. I mean law graduates who have studied 5 long years, done at least 10 (mostly unpaid internships), don’t you think basic work place respect they deserve. And this person barely asked for it, what is wrong, do not misguide people by encouraging this kind of behaviour and egoistic firms by calling them transparent. If they would have been, they could just say this to the candidate, and still give her chance to respond, if she agrees and is willing to do that then it would have been still fine. But providing an opportunity, not clarifying doubts and then acting on their whims and rescinding the offer doesn’t prove a single point you are ATTEMPTING to make to DEFEND places like SRL!!!!

Shame shame!

Aw, come on, don't remain in denial. Where was the "fake" data when NLUD ranked higher in the first 3 NIRF editions? NUJS has been flailing in NIRF since the beginning and NALSAR is definitely not as highly regarded as it once was. Give it a rest with this older NLU pride. Just like IIT Delhi and Bombay buried the oldest IIT Kharagpur, NLUD is doing the same with the older law schools.

What is this obsession about lacking any "academic credentials" or "degree"! He's as literate and articulate to comment on a subject as much as the critics are. Thus far he has been sensible to not talk of Cryogenics. (BTW getting through engineering and IIT is no mean a feat either)

For the world to know, when first years are forced to live in double occupancy rooms(constructed with bare minimum space for single occupancy), the college administration is introducing three years LLB course, and mega news is that there is no entrance test for that, just the graduation marks is what counts. Also, if this was not enough, students have been notified that the hostel is now optional, which means not the entire student body will be able to reside on the campus as they are enrolling more students and they do not have the capacity to reside all. Meaning, some students, due to the arbitrary decision of college will have to look after themselves, ignoring the fact, college is far away from the city and a swiggy rider died 3 months back at night due to unknown reasons when he was riding his bike back to main city from college at night. College is running out of oxygen, just like the Titan submarine, which went deep, with poor infrastructure, but less poor than the college administration.

Chennai doesn't have regional lobbies like in Bangalore or Mumbai because there aren't any proper national law firms.

Even the ones who claims have a presence (Khaitan, SAM and JSA) operate by hiring local Tamil lawyers and firms. For eg. Khaitan is a local Litigation office (assentio legal).

It's rare to see non tamilians working in Chennai. Salaries are also low.

Regional lobbies can only exist when there is diversity and multiculturalism.

I know HNLU is probably better in terms of overall placements, but it's a myth that you won't get placed in RGNUL furthered by the fact that the admin doesn't really publicize it. There have been at least 20 placements from my batch at places like SAM, Trilegal, EY, and S&A (including mine).

Plus there are other placements for sure including my friend at Anagram Partners, which people don't know about because nobody asked. The admin in their wisdom doesn't even count Chamber placements like other colleges do.

Check the RGNUL Placement cell page on linkedin for the tier 1 and 2 placements

i studied in the 2014 batch and LP's founder and is director sagar joshi, ▮▮▮, i dont think any action will be taken against him as he has contacts and plus his wife is a lawyer so definitely they'll avert the consequence by using word of law ▮▮▮. R dont redact the name! there is nothing defamatory here.

https://theprint.in/ground-reports/think-tanks-acting-as-war-rooms-this-is-what-indian-political-parties-are-building-for-2024/1637108/

Requesting blue-label status as this is a hot topic! Could NLU grads finally be involved in politics and policy advocacy the same way Harvard-Yale grads are in the US? It will be a massive gamechanger for the country and for law grads if this happens! Anyone you know who is joining these think-tanks? Can you share names and LinkedIN profiles?

I'm guessing most NLU grads would be left-liberal aligned and prefer to work with Congress think-tanks? We do have examples of high-profile BJP NLU grads, such as Vikramjit Banerjee and Jiveer Shergil, but they are perhaps the exception and not the rule?

Some established facts you and me need to agree upon are :

1) MNLU Nagpur has the best infrastructure among all the NLUs In the country.

2) Nagpur is one of the fastest growing cities in the world.

3) The university currently has no materialized trust base established in the industry BUT they are actively working for it.

4) They placed 10/54 students during COVID. Agreed that not everyone who passes out gets placed BUT anyone who works hard to touch the top of the batch is in a great position to get placed.

5) The mix of resources are good enough to build a good legal career if used in sheer "PROACTIVE-NESS" by the student himself without depending on the university.

6) At this stage, the university has nothing to offer more than Top notch resources. Placements may not be expected to mature only in the first 2-3 batches (2016-21 batch 1st, 2017-22 Batch 2nd, 2018-23 Batch 3rd ... ).

7) Placements for the batch of 2023 are currently going on and once it finishes within a month at Max, the data will be available (not expected to be on the website but can be expected later in NIRF report.).

8) This year's placement data will be a pivotal point in determining the trend.

9) The factor of alumni base is not applicable to MNLU N since only two batches have passed out (+1 if you consider 2023).

I don't intend to show this Law School in hagiographic light BUT I dismiss the claims of the Trolls on this platform who call it 'sinking ship', 'Bleak', 'not worth it' and other offensive names.

Agreed, we're not in a position as good as that of the top 7 NLUs but atleast we don't deserve offensive and hateful names.

There have always been trends wherein new law schools have overtook the older ones. During 2010s when ILS and GLC were dominating the industry, we all know that NLS came and overtook them. This didn't break the former's credibility but changed the overall scenario in the country.

You guys should atleast not shatter our faith in our institution taking things to extremes. We are not the best BUT we have the potential to be the best.

This platform acts as the front face of the Legal Industry and trolls here humiliating students from other law schools does have an effect on prospective CLAT taking aspirants.

Let's be responsible while writing something here.

Don't fret too much. My father took retirement as an airman (PBOR - non-officer) from IAF in 2017 at the age of 43 and then undertook a law degree while working at a private company. He started his practice in 2020 and is now doing very well. He is able to make on average as much as 1.5 lakh per month just from his practice. To many people here, it may not seem much but to my father who never would have earned this much in Air Force, it is a huge sum, and this is just the start, who knows where he will reach in another 10 years!

1. Rich

2. Bland.

3. Free for all until admin decides otherwise, then you are the culprit.

4. Mixed bunch. Number of truly driven people is minuscule, but that's probably true everywhere. Loads of entitlement. Some good 'uns.

5. Very few. The amount of scholarship varies too. The holders are considered better students.

6. Not really, because there are no poor here. Max upper-middle class (upwards of 20LPA fam income). There is a stark difference between their habits and activities and that of the rest.

Placement-wise, it's difficult to judge as far as corp placements are concerned but take it from me, u won't be struggling for employment options after graduation. With a law degree, getting a govt job becomes easier owing to lower competition and a 3-year course from NLS will make sure that govt jobs become a cakewalk.

As far as placements are concerned, don't restrict yourself to corp placements only, there are other things like research institutes that pay a decent salary.

To answer your question, yes, an LLB degree from NLS would be beneficial for you. However, if you are looking for corp placements then that may just be a difficult task.

As a side note, a person from the MPP 2023 batch is a civil servant in West Bengal who had cracked the WBCS exe exam in 2020, if I am not wrong. His name is Sujoy [in case the moderator allows it]. you can reach out to him on LinkedIn as he would be in a better position to guide you than any of us on LI.

SEBI notification just came out and I have 45 days to prepare and I am weak in maths and general awareness, but I will not say that my other subjects are strong I need to revise them too. Its my first time preparing for giving judiciary i still need get a hold on few subjects what should I choose?

there is a wide variety of food and a lot of outlets on campus as well so there shouldn’t be any problem food wise. however, as liberal as it claims to be, it has recently been filled with extreme right wingers/hindutva promoters. the crowd is misogynistic and highly privileged so it’s tough to mingle if you’re a normal middle class person.

Compare the faculty publication records, it will be clear how NUJS Faculty are way ahead of current NLUD faculty. Cross-institutional experience means zilch if it is limited only to India. As for whether anyone is a good teacher or not, only their own students can vouch for that and no outsider. Nor is NUJS ahead in placements in absolute numbers only, but in percentage of batch placed in tier one firms and companies, foreign firm placements, foreign scholarships, competition wins and every other metric apart from UPSC when it comes to a comparison with NLUD grads. In fact, other than bigger campus and more funds, NLUD is not ahead in any way whatsoever.